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Pivo Ace
Shortranged Joint Operations Recon Squad
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Posted - 2016.05.07 00:37:16 -
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Hi there i am looking for a corp and in all(most) the corp they ask for my api key.
I know I can set it via my account management and although I do not understand all the options my concern is what can someone do with my api key?
Can they do anything to my account? Can they see how I spend my isk? Can they see my assets?
Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ?
I do not mind sharing my skills and corp history but it is no one's business what I have in my wallet or in my hangar, right?
Or am I missing something obvious? |
Davian Thule Pirkibo
Dirt 'n' Glitter Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2016.05.07 00:42:32 -
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We just wanna get to know you better ;), alot better. *breathes heavily* |
Omega Jovakko
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
457
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Posted - 2016.05.07 00:44:10 -
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They can see everything about your character, they just can't touch it. Like my corp can see who I message (just not the messages themselves) and what I spend my Isk on. FULL API - not negotiable means they NEED to make sure (for one reason or another) that you're a player who's serious, sometimes a corp will get an alt and they'll mess things up.
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2016.05.07 00:47:06 -
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++ Corp recruiting in Eve Online ++
It's supposed to keep spys out of the corp, but it got a bit out of hand lately in my opinion ;) |
Borat Guereen
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.07 00:49:12 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6477335#post6477335
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etgfrogs
Frog Evade
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Posted - 2016.05.07 01:08:05 -
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Yes, there are potentially those reasons as a negative for avoiding corporations that require a full API. On the other hand corporations who actually want to go places need to avoid awoxers(someone who will kill others set to friendly status) and their alts. The lazy way of creating an alt has been through just sending them money, which the api will show. Same goes for using rmt, quite a few don't want to invest in someone who will just go poof by being banned. The asset viewing portion of the api can be used to catch a corp thief who is sticking around to potentially get more stuff. In the end both a corporation and a player needs to be cautious to stop potential scams. |
Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2016.05.07 01:38:02 -
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Yeah I really think CCP needs to rethink some of what they put in the API. You could almost call it "1984 Online" with the level they allow. And saying that it is your choice to provide is just silly. So many corps are defaulting to full api or you can't join.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
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Posted - 2016.05.07 01:39:16 -
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If somebody asks for your "full API key"
- Yes they can see your wallet balance and any transactions.
- Yes they can see your assets
- Yes they can read your EVE mail
- NO they cannot touch or affect your character or account in any way.
Basically, every box you check governs what somebody can see via API. And yes, most corps will ask you for a full API key in order to perform basic counterintel. It seems like literally the first thing a spy would cover up, but you'd be suprised how many dudes try to spy with tainted accounts.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
366
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Posted - 2016.05.07 01:58:34 -
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Pivo Ace wrote:Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ? Because, probably for some totally unwarranted reason, they think they might be someone worth spying on and so think that by demanding your API, they are somehow protected.
They probably heard that's what all the cool Corp's do, so they'll do it to.
In other words, they have no clue what they are doing.
Unless they are giving you roles in the Corp (which would be stupid for someone just joining), there's really no reason they need your API. |
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
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Posted - 2016.05.07 02:19:21 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Pivo Ace wrote:Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ? Because, probably for some totally unwarranted reason, they think they might be someone worth spying on and so think that by demanding your API, they are somehow protected. They probably heard that's what all the cool Corp's do, so they'll do it to. In other words, they have no clue what they are doing. Unless they are giving you roles in the Corp (which would be stupid for someone just joining), there's really no reason they need your API. I'm always wary of corporations that ask for a full API key up-front. Usually, the corporations that know what they're looking for will ask for keys limited to very specific information, rather than asking for a blanket full-data API. |
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.07 02:24:41 -
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The only people who talk about how useless and stupid it is are the ones who'd have their cover blown by such a check, pretending to be a newbie or something similar while they're not. Then there's the "it won't stop really good spies" fallacy, it won't but let's be honest most people are lazy and not that intelligent so it'll catch the majority of trouble makers. It could be used by the corporation to spy on your and your previous or next corporation/alliance, this is completely up to you by pruning old AP{I when they're not needed anymore.
Simply put: it helps weeding out the obvious bad apples and in case of a newbie it can help guide him in regards to skill training etc. They can't take anything from you or your account, it's info only. Giving it out to specific, worth while, corporations is not a problem. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.07 02:29:37 -
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Basically, because scamming, spying and killing your corp mates are all legal mechanics in EVE, many corps run a 'background check' on your character by ways of your API key. They check some stats of your char, like money, mails, stuff like that. It's a pretty common thing in EVE, sadly. You'll get used to it.
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Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
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Posted - 2016.05.07 02:36:30 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:The only people who talk about how useless and stupid it is are the ones who'd have their cover blown by such a check, pretending to be a newbie or something similar while they're not. Then there's the "it won't stop really good spies" fallacy, it won't but let's be honest most people are lazy and not that intelligent so it'll catch the majority of trouble makers. It could be used by the corporation to spy on your and your previous or next corporation/alliance, this is completely up to you by pruning old API when they're not needed anymore.
Simply put: it helps weeding out the obvious bad apples and in case of a newbie it can help guide him in regards to skill training etc. They can't take anything from you or your account, it's info only. Giving it out to specific, worth while, corporations is not a problem.
This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.
If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a nob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.
Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.
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Zathra Narazi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.07 03:23:55 -
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It's for a background check to make sure you're not a spy. It's normal and almost all corps do it. It's nothing to be worried about. Well, I guess if you're a spy it is, but you know what I mean. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.05.07 04:49:28 -
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some corp. including mine use APIs to automate/regulate 3rd party apps like comms and websites. my CEO Marcel (who made the ancient Aura app for andriod mobiles) along with my other corpies have created/wrote alot of cool stuff/apps for our corp.
we don't actually need full API, but it's PIA to ask applicants to only select the required entries that asking them for full API is way much better and less tedious.
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.05.07 04:51:45 -
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lol. It means you have a corp with a leadership that isn't confident in its abilities and needs a crutch. Thing is, what they think they can track they can't track with this method. Some people are strange, though, and there's not much you can do about that.
There is one thing, however. Don't be in a corp or alliance with an API requirement, unless it's enough to help you with an EVEMon schedule. The idea they can find spies using API is akin to thinking the moon is made of cheese and she'll respect you in the morning.
In the military we have "confidence training." No, it has nothing to do with that self-esteem your middle school teacher insisted you have. It has to do with confidence in a gas mask. Believe it or not, some people will refuse to use a gas mask. They just don't believe either there's gas, or the mask will actually work.
What they do is sit you in a room filled with tear gas with this mask on. After twenty minutes or so (give or take) you have to stand up, take off your mask, say your name, then leave the room. Believe it. You know when you take off that mask, you are in a room full of gas and that mask was keeping it from you - in a very big way.
There is no test like this for people's thoughts and their tendency to convert their beliefs into facts. They believe they can track spies with the API. (They know they're too slow to track one at all on their own.) They praise the digital gods there is an API, then demand you give them yours.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2016.05.07 05:02:27 -
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Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important. |
Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.07 05:35:27 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important.
my wallet ... is mine. and no ones has to look in!
or can i have a full Api of CEOs or/and Directors.
If they don't trust me, why should i trust them?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.05.07 05:37:56 -
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Gwenaelle de Ardevon wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important. my wallet ... is mine. and no ones has to look in! or can i have a full Api of CEOs or/and Directors. If they don't trust me, why should i trust them? I'm sure Tisi is only interested to make sure there has been a 10 million ISK payment to a relevant agent within the last 12 months.
As for APIs, as a Corp recruiter, I'm not too bothered seeing one initially. We don't rely on API checks to determine someone's background, nor for our Corp/Alliance security. There is plenty of other information that can be used. I only ask for a partial sometimes if anything flags up, but generally we don't require an API key from anyone. As a pvp Alliance we give 0 f*cks if an awoxer tries to join. That just means one fight we don't need to go looking for.
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Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1231
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Posted - 2016.05.07 05:41:06 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Gwenaelle de Ardevon wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Wallet history is actually one of the first thing I look at when reviewing an API I've been given, it's very important. my wallet ... is mine. and no ones has to look in! or can i have a full Api of CEOs or/and Directors. If they don't trust me, why should i trust them? I'm sure Tisi is only interested to make sure there has been a 10 million ISK payment to a relevant agent within the last 12 months.
maybe..
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Shayla Etherodyne
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.07 05:56:16 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote: This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.
If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.
Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.
You have never used your EVE mail to discuss private things with friends? I have the private e-mail of a few friend in my EVE mail and I know people that has give his personal address to other players that way but wouldn't like to share ti with all a corp or all an alliance.
Sharing what is in your mail is way too much.
Your personal e-mail outside EVE is "internet pixels" too, but I doubt you would like to share it with a bunch of people that you don't know. |
Netan MalDoran
Last Garrison
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Posted - 2016.05.07 06:04:53 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote: This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.
If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.
Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.
You have never used your EVE mail to discuss private things with friends? I have the private e-mail of a few friend in my EVE mail and I know people that has give his personal address to other players that way but wouldn't like to share ti with all a corp or all an alliance. Sharing what is in your mail is way too much. Your personal e-mail outside EVE is "internet pixels" too, but I doubt you would like to share it with a bunch of people that you don't know.
Why would I ever use a game mail service when I have 4 real email accounts to choose from?
And why would you store someones rl email in your evemail? That IS insecure, you couldve just had him post it in PM or the like.
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Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.07 06:21:18 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote: This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.
If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.
Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.
You have never used your EVE mail to discuss private things with friends? I have the private e-mail of a few friend in my EVE mail and I know people that has give his personal address to other players that way but wouldn't like to share ti with all a corp or all an alliance. Sharing what is in your mail is way too much. Your personal e-mail outside EVE is "internet pixels" too, but I doubt you would like to share it with a bunch of people that you don't know.
What a nice excuse, I'm sure people will fall for it. You can of course just delete those mails. |
Shayla Etherodyne
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.07 06:55:32 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote: This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.
If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.
Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.
You have never used your EVE mail to discuss private things with friends? I have the private e-mail of a few friend in my EVE mail and I know people that has give his personal address to other players that way but wouldn't like to share ti with all a corp or all an alliance. Sharing what is in your mail is way too much. Your personal e-mail outside EVE is "internet pixels" too, but I doubt you would like to share it with a bunch of people that you don't know. What a nice excuse, I'm sure people will fall for it. You can of course just delete those mails.
And somehow make sure I never receive any mail with personal information as long as the API is active .... You are willing to share a limited API only with your EVE mails here on the forum? The result is very similar. After you give it away you have very little information on who is reading your mail until you delete the key. |
Homo Erectus
Evolution Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.05.07 07:48:00 -
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If you join CFC/Imperium/derpswarm, you may be asked for your Facebook information and home address too. API's are so 2007.
I predate you.
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
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Posted - 2016.05.07 08:29:44 -
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Pivo Ace wrote:Hi there i am looking for a corp and in all(most) the corp they ask for my api key.
I know I can set it via my account management and although I do not understand all the options my concern is what can someone do with my api key?
Can they do anything to my account? Can they see how I spend my isk? Can they see my assets?
Why do they want to see "Full API - not negotiable" ?
I do not mind sharing my skills and corp history but it is no one's business what I have in my wallet or in my hangar, right?
Or am I missing something obvious?
You are being smart. Indeed it is true that they dont have any business to see your wallet or hangar nor evemail, ect. Ignore "Full API - not negotiable" corps and talk to who willing to negotiate. I see no harm showing your character skills to apply corp that needs something spesific of you like "miner skills" for example. Here lies the dilemma. In reality showing your Full API does not really matter and as corporation one does not really need to ask for Full API. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2016.05.07 08:38:40 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo. Brave was more than 12,000 members at it's peak.
Pandemic Horde currently sits at just under 8,300 members.
Neither have ever asked for an API and yet they have provided massive fun and education to new players; offering continuous content in lowsec, nullsec and depending on Cord, J-space too.
Hardly a case of not being Corps/Alliances to be part of. They are both awesome to be part of. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
454
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Posted - 2016.05.07 08:45:01 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Netan MalDoran wrote: This right here, I think that people forget that EvE is internet pixels, by the whining I hear, you would think that people are showing people their SS number and bank account info o.o Go ahead, see that I bought a drake and died gloriously to a Thanatos. Dont care one bit.
If a corp doesnt ask you for some part of an API, theyre either a noob corp that is corp theif bait, or they are a badly run corp that you probably shouldn't be a part of imo.
Also, some corps dont require API's, but the alliance theyre in does, so theyre forced to request them.
You have never used your EVE mail to discuss private things with friends? I have the private e-mail of a few friend in my EVE mail and I know people that has give his personal address to other players that way but wouldn't like to share ti with all a corp or all an alliance. Sharing what is in your mail is way too much. Your personal e-mail outside EVE is "internet pixels" too, but I doubt you would like to share it with a bunch of people that you don't know.
were there kinky things in your mails? i would be embarrased to share those too i guess, or maybe not.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
220
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Posted - 2016.05.07 09:03:07 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:What a nice excuse, I'm sure people will fall for it. You can of course just delete those mails. The API doesn't care about that. It will always return the X most recent mails, regardless of whether you deleted them or not.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Pivo Ace
Shortranged Joint Operations Recon Squad
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Posted - 2016.05.07 09:40:57 -
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Thanks for all the replies.
There is nothing distubing or off putting in my mails I was just really wondering. And I have nothing really to hide but why do they want to see where I keep my mission napoc? Or why do they need to know if I talk to someone doing incursions about "the good'ol days". It is like walking into a bar and yelling, "The safe is behind the painting and contain 1 miilion dollar" "Oh and 1 beer please". And i know my assets are not really impressive but still I worked hard for them.
Also an odd way to start a relationship give them everything and jump into the deep with a corp as you know less coming in.
I really liked the Ctrl+Alt+Del comic on the 1st page of replies, thanks for that :)
Well I will make a limited api and give them that if they want one, if they need more it can be talked about. Not going to volunteer for a prostate exam without a good reason.
Homo Erectus wrote:If you join CFC/Imperium/derpswarm, you may be asked for your Facebook information and home address too. API's are so 2007.
Cannot tell if you are joking...
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