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DNLeviathan
Hole Plunderer's
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Posted - 2011.12.18 22:37:00 -
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i know alot of people say its cause its the carebear faction and ive used thaty excue myself many times. but now my view has changed. they shoot blues. why would anyone fleet up when they may get ganked by their own miltia buddies? if itsnot that then they declare internal wardecs because a neutral alt was not made aware of and got ganked by blues. 3rd reason is they all demand that everyone plays the exact same way wether they like it or not. its a game, have fun, fly the way you want to fly and maybe JUST MAYBE more people would get involved. |
Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
7
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Posted - 2011.12.19 03:19:00 -
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or they get bored and move to amarr for some reason :P I'm sure squids will come around, i mean believe it or not the gallente side is going through the exact same thing. Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
14
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Posted - 2011.12.19 04:08:00 -
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Pulgy wrote:or they get bored and move to amarr for some reason :P I'm sure squids will come around, i mean believe it or not the gallente side is going through the exact same thing.
It's the circle of FW life. In our case we had two worthy opponent corps, the CEO and main FC of one decided to have a long break from eve, which led us to only shoot the same guys over and over, until we gained so much mutual battlefield respect that we decided to not shoot each other but rather joined forces elsewhere - we were not the first crew to do this, nor will we be the last. We knew neither of us could cross to the other side, so we had to move far away from the cal/gal FW zone. After that didn't work out we didn't want to go back to the same thing. We felt we owned Black Rise to such a degree that we lost good pvp'ers to boredom before we left. Hence we went with the other logical solution - join Amarr.
What I mean by re-telling that story is that either someone new will rise up and get the Caldari into shape, or the better corps in Gallente will tire of the lack of opposition and move elsewhere, balancing the sides - it's the circle of FW life. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img] |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.12.19 04:31:00 -
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DNLeviathan wrote:i know alot of people say its cause its the carebear faction and ive used thaty excue myself many times. but now my view has changed. they shoot blues. why would anyone fleet up when they may get ganked by their own miltia buddies? if itsnot that then they declare internal wardecs because a neutral alt was not made aware of and got ganked by blues. 3rd reason is they all demand that everyone plays the exact same way wether they like it or not. its a game, have fun, fly the way you want to fly and maybe JUST MAYBE more people would get involved.
Every militia is the same at one point or another. I've been in FW for just about the entire time I've played this game. One thing is certain is that each militia always had it's ups & downs and I've been in them all. I've seen internal fighting with war decs in every militia and seen lots of blue vs blue squabbles as well as more trolls than I care to count.
It's just the nature of the beast as there is no way to keep people in order or provide focused goals as FW militia's are nothing more than a headless alliance. Considering that most player run alliances are pretty fail and often suffer from the same kind of end fighting, how could you expect it not to be worse in FW?
You can't even kick known spys out of FW. I could use an alt corp join the apposing Militia and TK blues all day. As long as the corp I was in held up it's positive standings there is nothing anyone could do about it.
TBH it's amazing IMO that any Militia can actually get their acts together for any amount of time prior to the inevitable top corps of the moment either fizzing out or leaving for l33t null sec pvp, causing that militia to fail cascade until some group of players helps pull them out of their dip.. This happens over and over and side always swap as in whom ever is the strongest at the moment. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
349
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Posted - 2011.12.19 06:32:00 -
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Poor attitude. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2011.12.19 07:30:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:[quote=Pulgy]the better corps in Gallente will tire of the lack of opposition and move elsewhere, balancing the sides - it's the circle of FW life.
Like hell they will. If any organised corp comes to Caldari side, the frogs stay docked and employ their well known strategy of "bore the enemy to death" until they can come out again and proceed to their usual hobby of ganking noobs since that's the enviroment where they thrive. Just look what happened with draketrain. No fleet fights were given after few attempts and froggies proceeded to wait it out because people like Lacco and Shana Tirii are quick to walk away if there is no fun to be had..
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
349
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Posted - 2011.12.19 07:42:00 -
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Damar butthurt == best butthurt. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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uwai223
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.19 07:49:00 -
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So if I wanted to join fw, where would I start to look? FW is pretty much the only thing I've not done in eve yet. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
349
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Posted - 2011.12.19 07:51:00 -
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uwai223 wrote:So if I wanted to join fw, where would I start to look? FW is pretty much the only thing I've not done in eve yet.
I wouldn't bother starting. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mister Swift
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.12.19 07:53:00 -
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Not enough people able and willing to PvP (as a team), amongst other things :< |
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:36:00 -
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Caldari militia has certain problems that has been developed on time.
Problem is that Caldari has not any strong leaders who would stay in militia long enough. And if someone want to be one, other who think that they should be leaders try to prevent that some other get leader status. Also militia is filled Gallente alts who trolls and disrupt all activities, that is normal on FW but many feels that they cant do nothing if there is spies.
Why there is no good leaders is simple, there is no big goal to achieve. Competent FC does not feel FW environment any challenging, only challenge is to get enemy undock and fight and that hardly happens if Caldari has competent FC, I've seen that many times. There is pirates to gank but you do not have to be in militia if you want to gank those.
Also caldari militia has lot of members who have no clue how fleets work, they want to always bring their own superior fitted ship to fleet, no matter what FC has planned to do.
So, basically not any good FC is interested to run fleets that cant do anything, if you want to teach people half year and then get fleet that maybe can do something then fw is for you. |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
268
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:54:00 -
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One consistent complaint I've heard from varying CalMil pilots over the past year is that they lack cohesive, reliable intel. Even when CalMil was very active earlier this year, it seemed as if each of their corporations was doing something different, and not passing intel between each other. This is something we exploited a lot.
For all of the things GalMil does wrong (and believe me, we derp a lot), one thing we tend to do right is communication. We have shared and mostly-reliable intel channels as well as readily-accessible voice comms with varying levels of security. In addition, we generally have a culture of friendly competition where it's not unusual or suspicious for the member of one corp to drop into another corp's comms just to chat. As a result, we often join each others' roams and our fleets tend to coordinate and exchange intel.
Good communication gets you the following benefits:
- Targets. It's much, much easier to PvP if you know where to go to pew pew. - Numbers. If a target is too heavy / too numerous for you, there are often pilots around willing to fleet up and even the odds. - Support. If you run into unexpected trouble, a fight turns sour, or a falcon uncloaks, there's often a few pilots in the area available to help. - Evading gatecamps and gank attempts.
Now, there is drama that comes up sometimes. Personality clashes are inevitable. But by and large, GalMil has a rather strong and friendly community between its major corps.
When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
In battle, it's easy to mistake an enemy's penchant for having the right numbers at the right place to leaked intel or the presence of spies. I think we really are just better coordinated.
In short, my advice is this:
- If you fear spies too much, you'll never develop a relaxed community of PvP-centric pilots. Who gives good intel versus who gives bad intel can be ascertained quickly enough. And making that judgment call is a small price to pay for having reliable intel channels.
- FW corps can (and do) go it alone, but good things can come from working with others. Splintering into a multitude of corps in FW is inevitable due to personality clashes, time zone variation, small gang versus fleet roamers, and differing interests. But there's a world of difference between a bunch of isolated corps, and a community of people at least loosely working together. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.12.19 10:28:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:One consistent complaint I've heard from varying CalMil pilots over the past year is that they lack cohesive, reliable intel. Even when CalMil was very active earlier this year, it seemed as if each of their corporations was doing something different, and not passing intel between each other. This is something we exploited a lot.
For all of the things GalMil does wrong (and believe me, we derp a lot), one thing we tend to do right is communication. We have shared and mostly-reliable intel channels as well as readily-accessible voice comms with varying levels of security. In addition, we generally have a culture of friendly competition where it's not unusual or suspicious for the member of one corp to drop into another corp's comms just to chat. As a result, we often join each others' roams and our fleets tend to coordinate and exchange intel.
Good communication gets you the following benefits:
- Targets. It's much, much easier to PvP if you know where to go to pew pew. - Numbers. If a target is too heavy / too numerous for you, there are often pilots around willing to fleet up and even the odds. - Support. If you run into unexpected trouble, a fight turns sour, or a falcon uncloaks, there's often a few pilots in the area available to help. - Evading gatecamps and gank attempts.
Now, there is drama that comes up sometimes. Personality clashes are inevitable. But by and large, GalMil has a rather strong and friendly community between its major corps.
When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
In battle, it's easy to mistake an enemy's penchant for having the right numbers at the right place to leaked intel or the presence of spies. I think we really are just better coordinated.
In short, my advice is this:
- If you fear spies too much, you'll never develop a relaxed community of PvP-centric pilots. Who gives good intel versus who gives bad intel can be ascertained quickly enough. And making that judgment call is a small price to pay for having reliable intel channels.
- FW corps can (and do) go it alone, but good things can come from working with others. Splintering into a multitude of corps in FW is inevitable due to personality clashes, time zone variation, small gang versus fleet roamers, and differing interests. But there's a world of difference between a bunch of isolated corps, and a community of people at least loosely working together.
Well personally I've always done my own thing in FW as I didn't have much interest in the blobs that have a typical goal of just ganking stuff. I just came back from about a 2 & half month vacation from EVE and see things have changed quite a bit.
I'd say maybe 1 to 2 months prior to taking a break, the Gal vs Cal war was very healthy. It was pretty much the only time I was ever interested in joining the big gangs because the gangs were fighting each other pretty regularly and it seemed like both sides were interested in the meat grinder and not just ganking noobs.
That was really the only time I enjoyed fleet fights because most of the fights were pretty equal in numbers or at least fairly balanced. Now I wont get into the countless times Cal gangs chased Gal gangs right back to Hey only to have to sit and wait 30-45 mins b4 you guys would undock.. (if at all)
I knew that wasn't going to last as all Militia's eventually flake out so I enjoyed it while it lasted. I think what eventually happened to Cal was the same few FC's were running fleets all the time and got burnt out and were either just not logging in or doing RL. This is why I don't FC in FW because it kills your enjoyment of just being able to log in.
At that point one of the newer Cal corps at that time was run by some loud mouths that were causing a lot of problems internally. The problem was they were the only guys with FC's at the time and any fleet they ran turned into a EMO rage fest. This eventually killed activity as no one wanted to listen to some guy EMO raging every time we had a fight go bad or calling every other guy a spy because they were paranoid as hell or the FC didn't listen to the info the scout was giving.
Up until that happened, Cal was going pretty strong and it was having fun fights, but as they say it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch and we had a few at the time. The bad apples are gone but the damage is done.. |
DNLeviathan
Hole Plunderer's
6
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:32:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Caldari militia has certain problems that has been developed on time.
Problem is that Caldari has not any strong leaders who would stay in militia long enough. And if someone want to be one, other who think that they should be leaders try to prevent that some other get leader status. Also militia is filled Gallente alts who trolls and disrupt all activities, that is normal on FW but many feels that they cant do nothing if there is spies.
Why there is no good leaders is simple, there is no big goal to achieve. Competent FC does not feel FW environment any challenging, only challenge is to get enemy undock and fight and that hardly happens if Caldari has competent FC, I've seen that many times. There is pirates to gank but you do not have to be in militia if you want to gank those.
Also caldari militia has lot of members who have no clue how fleets work, they want to always bring their own superior fitted ship to fleet, no matter what FC has planned to do.
So, basically not any good FC is interested to run fleets that cant do anything, if you want to teach people half year and then get fleet that maybe can do something then fw is for you.
its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.
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Scrutt5
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:33:00 -
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Here's my opinion,
From what I have seen over the past two to three months, since returning from a year or so of inactivity is that, Caldari really don't have a driving fore behind them, where as the Gallente have several. The majority of Cal Mil pilots are in the NPC run variant with little or no direction as individual pilots to set up specific ships to combat the various tactics used againt them.
Cal Mil unfortunately are a rag tag bunch bringing pretty much any ship they like to an FW fight. If the active and intrested Cal pilots worked together, set up ships for specific counters they would be far more effective , effectiveness leads to victories, victories to morale and all of a sudden you get more pilots interested in learning to PVP rather then run about in fleets (your small gang stuff is actually quite reasonable) herp-derping.
Not once I have seen a CAL fleet consisting of more than 20 pilots that have enough logistic support to justify them leaving station. Its not just a case of looking at the GAL n thinking , right we'll set up for them.... low sec in the cal/gal border zone is full of well organised and efficient pirate corporations and often your fleets don't make it as far as the engagement your looking for.
Versatility, Intel, scouting and fleet pilots having a variety of ship available at the drop of a hat doesn't stem from part time pvp.
At various stages across the FW platform, it will and probably has already happened to each faction, but right now the Cal need a respected pvp corp to come on board, recruit the quality from the ranks of state and share their knowledge. In return the Ca lhave to decide who amongst themselves are prepared to take pvp to the next level.
Sort out the infrastructure and blues shooting blues will become a thing of the past very quickly.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
350
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:33:00 -
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DNLeviathan wrote:its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.
That's pretty much the same with almost every militia and half the alliances in the game. It's got to be more than that. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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DNLeviathan
Hole Plunderer's
6
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:33:00 -
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Shaalira D'arc wrote:One consistent complaint I've heard from varying CalMil pilots over the past year is that they lack cohesive, reliable intel. Even when CalMil was very active earlier this year, it seemed as if each of their corporations was doing something different, and not passing intel between each other. This is something we exploited a lot.
For all of the things GalMil does wrong (and believe me, we derp a lot), one thing we tend to do right is communication. We have shared and mostly-reliable intel channels as well as readily-accessible voice comms with varying levels of security. In addition, we generally have a culture of friendly competition where it's not unusual or suspicious for the member of one corp to drop into another corp's comms just to chat. As a result, we often join each others' roams and our fleets tend to coordinate and exchange intel.
Good communication gets you the following benefits:
- Targets. It's much, much easier to PvP if you know where to go to pew pew. - Numbers. If a target is too heavy / too numerous for you, there are often pilots around willing to fleet up and even the odds. - Support. If you run into unexpected trouble, a fight turns sour, or a falcon uncloaks, there's often a few pilots in the area available to help. - Evading gatecamps and gank attempts.
Now, there is drama that comes up sometimes. Personality clashes are inevitable. But by and large, GalMil has a rather strong and friendly community between its major corps.
When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
In battle, it's easy to mistake an enemy's penchant for having the right numbers at the right place to leaked intel or the presence of spies. I think we really are just better coordinated.
In short, my advice is this:
- If you fear spies too much, you'll never develop a relaxed community of PvP-centric pilots. Who gives good intel versus who gives bad intel can be ascertained quickly enough. And making that judgment call is a small price to pay for having reliable intel channels.
- FW corps can (and do) go it alone, but good things can come from working with others. Splintering into a multitude of corps in FW is inevitable due to personality clashes, time zone variation, small gang versus fleet roamers, and differing interests. But there's a world of difference between a bunch of isolated corps, and a community of people at least loosely working together.
confirming caldari intel channel IS just a general chat channel away from the spies in militia chat. not much intel apart from comms info in motd. |
DNLeviathan
Hole Plunderer's
6
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:36:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either. That's pretty much the same with almost every militia and half the alliances in the game. It's got to be more than that.
true again, problem is that cal militia does shout for leadership, but when someone steps up to the plate like i did, no-one was interested. in my relatively short period of time in cal militia, i have seen a number of people step up just to get slapped in the face and give up. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:04:00 -
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Scrutt5 wrote:Here's my opinion,
From what I have seen over the past two to three months, since returning from a year or so of inactivity is that, Caldari really don't have a driving fore behind them, where as the Gallente have several. The majority of Cal Mil pilots are in the NPC run variant with little or no direction as individual pilots to set up specific ships to combat the various tactics used againt them.
Cal Mil unfortunately are a rag tag bunch bringing pretty much any ship they like to an FW fight. If the active and intrested Cal pilots worked together, set up ships for specific counters they would be far more effective , effectiveness leads to victories, victories to morale and all of a sudden you get more pilots interested in learning to PVP rather then run about in fleets (your small gang stuff is actually quite reasonable) herp-derping.
Not once I have seen a CAL fleet consisting of more than 20 pilots that have enough logistic support to justify them leaving station. Its not just a case of looking at the GAL n thinking , right we'll set up for them.... low sec in the cal/gal border zone is full of well organised and efficient pirate corporations and often your fleets don't make it as far as the engagement your looking for.
Versatility, Intel, scouting and fleet pilots having a variety of ship available at the drop of a hat doesn't stem from part time pvp.
At various stages across the FW platform, it will and probably has already happened to each faction, but right now the Cal need a respected pvp corp to come on board, recruit the quality from the ranks of state and share their knowledge. In return the Ca lhave to decide who amongst themselves are prepared to take pvp to the next level.
Sort out the infrastructure and blues shooting blues will become a thing of the past very quickly.
That's because you came back after it all was already fallen or falling apart..
Back in June and July we were running some decent Drake/Cane gangs that typically had lots of logi and various needed support ships. (ie Falcons, Lach/Arazu & Huggin/Rapiers and of course smart logis don't show on KBs)
Few examples.. to show fleet comps
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9932403 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10176237 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10221580 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10170750 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10231536 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10176305 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10175712 http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10170742
Granted they weren't l33t specialized gangs of awesome PVP corps but wasn't bad being it's militia and we are dealing with people from various skill levels and PVP experiences. There were a lot of fights like those above and in that time period I only remember a few that we lost vs Gallente at least ones I had an alt in.
One of the things we had going for us is Caldari seemed to always have better ECM pilots or made short work of Gallente ECM birds early on in the fights.
Gallente are flying Drakes now because they had to.. |
Amadeus3
Benito de Soto
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:05:00 -
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I've been in and out of the milita for years. The last time I went back to Caldari Milita it was in the worst shape I have known it.
IMO the biggest porblem is the quality of FCs. I didn't really appreciate it at the time but the success of WolfsBrigade was down to the organisation and FCing. We were able then to field properly configured fleets with player input, organisation and logistics. We could go toe-to-toe with the pirates corps and win. Being in a fleet was fun.
The sole tactic now is shield nano BC. You get on the filed, set keep distance to the anchor and shoot the primary. Biggest blob wins. Most of the time there is no fight because the smaller blob knows it will loose and doesn't fight. There is virtually no mental input required from the player. Being in a fleet is not fun.
Although the FCs can probably produce the odd battle report where they have been up against a organised pirate corp and won most of the time a Caldari Milita fleet is massacared by a organised pirate fleet that knows what it's doing.
This in my opion is the problem. Poor FCing and tactics creates an environment where there is nothing to aspire to as a player and it doesn't take more than about 6mths before most people will move on to improve their game.
There are some talented small gang players in the Milita and it's a great place to spend 6mths but the milita generally lacks quality at the top. |
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:32:00 -
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Amadeus3 wrote:I've been in and out of the milita for years. The last time I went back to Caldari Milita it was in the worst shape I have known it.
IMO the biggest porblem is the quality of FCs. I didn't really appreciate it at the time but the success of WolfsBrigade was down to the organisation and FCing. We were able then to field properly configured fleets with player input, organisation and logistics. We could go toe-to-toe with the pirates corps and win. Being in a fleet was fun.
The sole tactic now is shield nano BC. You get on the filed, set keep distance to the anchor and shoot the primary. Biggest blob wins. Most of the time there is no fight because the smaller blob knows it will loose and doesn't fight. There is virtually no mental input required from the player. Being in a fleet is not fun.
Although the FCs can probably produce the odd battle report where they have been up against a organised pirate corp and won most of the time a Caldari Milita fleet is massacared by a organised pirate fleet that knows what it's doing.
This in my opion is the problem. Poor FCing and tactics creates an environment where there is nothing to aspire to as a player and it doesn't take more than about 6mths before most people will move on to improve their game.
There are some talented small gang players in the Milita and it's a great place to spend 6mths but the milita generally lacks quality at the top.
Shield BC is what it is because it works. Try to bring a T1 armor gang to the mix against a nano shield gang and in most cases the shield gang of Drakes & Arti canes are going to tear apart the armor gang.
You have to accept that this is FW which has people of all different skill sets and the easiest "useful" ship to get new players in is a nano Drake or Hurricane. Militia gangs from Gal & Gal typically aren't going to field BS or HAC gangs.. They aren't getting ship replacements from moon goo empires and when fighting is active it's not uncommon for a single pilot to lose a few ships in a day. (ie losses have to be somewhat affordable)
When I was in Minmatar there was a lot more BS vs BS & carrier type fights then but it's also because the bulk of the fighting revolved around station humping or anchoring on a gate. I dunno if they still do that but IMO those fights tended to be pretty much sit and shoot. So not like those fights were any more tactical than nano gangs whom are constantly trying to get warp ins on one another.. |
Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
104
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:48:00 -
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To be a leader one must have a strict fleet doctrine to follow and impose on his fleet members. The problem with general militia fleets and a good number of people flying in militia in general is that they lack order and discipline.
The brightest leader stars of Caldari militia like Bad Messenger, Lacco, GavinGoodrich and First General did not get to be such leaders without a proven successful formula they demanded from their fleets. Be it Draketrains Drake/Schimi/Lachesis doctrine or First Generals Abbadon/Gaurdian doctrine the common trait among the above mentioned names is that they demanded adherence to their way and to hell with anyone not wanting to abide by that.
Sure you will run into the occasional snowflake that wants to bring his autocannon thrasher to an Abaddon/Guardian Fleet. Or another Snowflake that wants to bring a blaster brutix to a drake/schimi/lachesis fleet. In such cases they will be asked to promptly ship up to what the FC asks for or leave. Sometimes they will abide other times they will start pitching a fit and be kicked from fleet.
To be a leader of a successful PVP Corporation in a PvP environment like faction warfare you need to stick to a strict code. You will make internal enemies along the way that think they know better than you do, you will run into others that will tear you down for no other reason than envy as to seeing your star rise while theirs is barely noticed. This is the price you will pay.
Think back to the movie '300'. The reason King Leonidas rejected Ephialtes plea to join him (and Ephialtes eventually selling out to the enemy) was not because of anything less than his inability to hold up to the fighting doctrine of the Spartans. The Spartans depended heavily on the shield of the man next to him to hold ranks and any weakness to the uniformity of the Phalanx meant death to all those in formation.
To take the occasional weekend PvP'er and turn him into a disciplined fighting machine that follows orders and does what is needed to win is the difference between a LEADER and an average FC that picks up gangs when he feels like it.
These leaders spawn great PvP corporations the likes of Draketrain and Wolfsbrigade to name only two.
Have a winning formula, implement it, stick to it strictly and to hell with anyone's 'feelings' if they cannot adhere to it. No weekend warrior should dictate the fighting doctrine of a well established PvP corporation.
Think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6sARmxEuc when you are in your next pick-up gang.
The Mittani hit it on the spot in one of his articles on TenTonHammer: http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/65
TL;DR To be a successful leader in a hostile environment in EVE you must be a General not a Politician a Dictator if you will. |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.12.19 14:11:00 -
[23] - Quote
Amadeus3 wrote:I've been in and out of the milita for years. The last time I went back to Caldari Milita it was in the worst shape I have known it.
IMO the biggest porblem is the quality of FCs. I didn't really appreciate it at the time but the success of WolfsBrigade was down to the organisation and FCing. We were able then to field properly configured fleets with player input, organisation and logistics. We could go toe-to-toe with the pirates corps and win. Being in a fleet was fun.
The sole tactic now is shield nano BC. You get on the filed, set keep distance to the anchor and shoot the primary. Biggest blob wins. Most of the time there is no fight because the smaller blob knows it will loose and doesn't fight. There is virtually no mental input required from the player. Being in a fleet is not fun.
Although the FCs can probably produce the odd battle report where they have been up against a organised pirate corp and won most of the time a Caldari Milita fleet is massacared by a organised pirate fleet that knows what it's doing.
This in my opion is the problem. Poor FCing and tactics creates an environment where there is nothing to aspire to as a player and it doesn't take more than about 6mths before most people will move on to improve their game.
There are some talented small gang players in the Milita and it's a great place to spend 6mths but the milita generally lacks quality at the top.
Time to come home son?
;)
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:21:00 -
[24] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:
true again, problem is that cal militia does shout for leadership, but when someone steps up to the plate like i did, no-one was interested. in my relatively short period of time in cal militia, i have seen a number of people step up just to get slapped in the face and give up.
This, however it's not so much a slap in the face as much as it's a "meh" towards anything proactive to change the game up.
I attempted to change things, IMO for the better (debatable) but they were put on deaf ears. Dropped 2 billion of my own isk to fund loaner logis of every type we could give to people in a pinch. Asking for donations to continue the fund, not one time the wallet flashed. This is in contrast to 2 years ago when we were unified and we all put billions into a capital ship fund (which was returned the best I could before the "exodus.")
Not wanting to stir up **** when I just got back when people doubted if I would even stay this time, I politely suggested things that were ignored entirely. Addressing issues of all our corps spread through hysera, rakkapas, enaluri and highsec were also recieved on deaf ears.
Resulting in no more than 10-15 man fleets, peak North American time, vs. 20+, 30+, sometimes even 40+ by comparison on the other side. Was unable to do pretty much anything effective, so am stepping out, going 0.0 again. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
51
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:45:00 -
[25] - Quote
Corporations and pilots always return to the Federation Militia after venturing to "greener pastures".
The key, as Gallactica pointed out, was that when times were tough, a core group of Federation corporations banded together and weathered the storm. Now we're a pretty tight knit militia overall. We fly with everybody in other corporations all the time.
From what I've seen, pilots in the Caldari militia leave and stay gone for the most part. For example, if CAIN, PERVS, WBR, and More Cowbell returned - and fought together, we'd be in some deep trouble.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
51
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Posted - 2011.12.19 16:47:00 -
[26] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:To be a leader one must have a strict fleet doctrine to follow and impose on his fleet members. The problem with general militia fleets and a good number of people flying in militia in general is that they lack order and discipline.
LOL, one of the strengths of our militia is the lack of order and discipline when running fleets. The ability to think outside the box and not hit "F1" comes in handy sometimes, and besides, sometimes you gotta have some fun. After a while, the guys pick up on "organized, disorganization" and the result is some great, fun fights. |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.19 17:19:00 -
[27] - Quote
Sigh* These are kinds of thread that turn people away from Caldari militia. What happen in the past should stay in the past. We donGÇÖt need pvp corps that donGÇÖt exist anymore to come back into FW. If youGÇÖre PVP Corp. looking for something to prove, the Caldari militia will fit the bill nicely. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
53
|
Posted - 2011.12.19 17:45:00 -
[28] - Quote
Didn't say Caldari need to bring dead corps back. Just suggesting why Federation militia is stronger right now.
What Caldari need is a safe haven to rebuild their strength and confidence. As such, I suggest that Federation militia allow Caldari corporations to roam free in the Urpiken, Kurala, and Ieyama constellations. From these areas they will respawn and provide ample targets for Federation militia pilots to feed on in the future.
Nah, seriously, you guys will figure out what you need to do in time. |
GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.19 17:59:00 -
[29] - Quote
In terms of unifying stuff on the caldari side...if there's anyone you'd be comfortable throwing in your hat with, it'd be Mjolnir Gost (and probably didn't spell that right anyway). Gost has the heart for the squids I used to have, and has no intention of leaving anytime soon. He puts his heart into it, so he'd be the remaining man for the job.
DNILeviathan made an outstanding attempt to rally and/or organize, fitting the bill for several out-of-game resources the squids needed, like a backup voice comms, website, forums, etc. Sadly, very few people cared about his efforts.
Hopefully someone like Gost can turn it around. Predator Elite's also a good guy and makes for fun roams, even though our sec status is typically **** afterwards |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
54
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:52:00 -
[30] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote: its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.
For a minute there I thought you were talking about Federation Militia. We won't accept singular leadership. There have been many butthurt CEO's who have left because people in other corporations don't follow their uber-commands. Many players regularly jump around corporations until they find the one that suits their playstyle best. No hard feelings. In the end we still fleet up with each other.
And many of us are too stupid to take advice as well. But most of us realize that if a person is too stupid to fit his ships properly (I'm looking directly at me, for example), it's his isk and not yours that is lost. So for the most part we don't get too upset when people don't follow fitting advice. They'll either learn to fit their ships properly or eventually leave militia broke.
Anyways, it's a militia, not a dictatorial alliance. Dictators gather up a bunch of players under their corp banner and then bail on their militia for greener pastures, so in the end your militia is better off without them. |
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Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.19 22:47:00 -
[31] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote: Anyways, it's a militia, not a dictatorial alliance. Dictators gather up a bunch of players under their corp banner and then bail on their militia for greener pastures, so in the end your militia is better off without them. Quoted for truth. Too many times have Caldari pilots have been fooled by smooth talking FC/CEO's into leaving CaldariFW. Only to come back into FW more bitter about eve in general since before they left FW.
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:15:00 -
[32] - Quote
FG brings WBR home and that's 90% of your problem sorted.
We are very lucky tbh in that weve had our problems, emo, falling outs, butthurtness etc etc but you know what 95% of the corps in Gallente tend respect that we don't always get on, respect the fact that we dont have people trying to lead everyone, that we dont get butthurt when corps have times doing there own thing and pretty much have the best comradary between us since day 1.
Or maybe I'm just drunk and missing playing much recently! |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:22:00 -
[33] - Quote
My new corps application goes into the Caldari milita tomorrow... Holy christ these forums are terribad!
It doesn't look like I myself will make it tomorrow.. still getting sec status down. But my alts are all +5 and +1 to Caldari now .. many tutorials, circles, tags sold and cosmos mission run to tone down my -7 \0/ A quick sell of tags once I can get back into empire should balance out!
Let me make this clear... I ain't joining the Caldari to become a leader, I just want to ask for X's and take the spies out for a run, where we will die in a fire, but once in a while we will win a few. And hopefully people will then be more happy to come on an evil synns roam.
I know there are many Gallente that would love to have a dance party around an evil synns corpse, don't worry you will certainly have many to go around in a few weeks (remind me to jump out of my implants first)!
A good FC works with the ships and pilots he's got, not what he wishes he had!
I am looking forward to fighting some of the pilots I trained. Not in "classes" but by leading others in fights, winning or losing, writing AAR's so people can learn why I ****** up, why they ****** up and where is the **** up!
Will the caldari get any better? I really doubt it! Will I fly with others.. I always did! Did I check the WOLFY ego at the door? Nope! I and the Caldari Milita are not here to play your game.. we are here to play OUR game.. and if that means blue balling you, fighting as cloaky fags, running from a fight we can't win...
THEN I WILL DRINK YOUR TEARS! and you will have been playing my game.. and I can't lose at that!
Roll on the weekend... FIGHT
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:31:00 -
[34] - Quote
Umm it's Xmas this weekend Evil....
Only sad ******* who are off work and will playing when there kids are in bed.......bring it on! :) |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.19 23:34:00 -
[35] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Umm it's Xmas this weekend Evil....
Only sad ******* who are off work and will playing when there kids are in bed.......bring it on! :)
EXACTLY! The wee swine will be playing his new Xbox games... so Daddy will just have to go upstaris and kill gallentes... He understands.. He hates the Gallente too.. He's always hated plexers! |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 00:15:00 -
[36] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:FG brings WBR home and that's 90% of your problem sorted.
We are very lucky tbh in that weve had our problems, emo, falling outs, butthurtness etc etc but you know what 95% of the corps in Gallente tend respect that we don't always get on, respect the fact that we dont have people trying to lead everyone, that we dont get butthurt when corps have times doing there own thing and pretty much have the best comradary between us since day 1.
Or maybe I'm just drunk and missing playing much recently!
drunk Gall best Gall <3
xoxoxox |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
17
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Posted - 2011.12.20 01:20:00 -
[37] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:To be a leader one must have a strict fleet doctrine to follow and impose on his fleet members. The problem with general militia fleets and a good number of people flying in militia in general is that they lack order and discipline.
LOL, one of the strengths of our militia is the lack of order and discipline when running fleets. The ability to think outside the box and not hit "F1" comes in handy sometimes, and besides, sometimes you gotta have some fun. After a while, the guys pick up on "organized, disorganization" and the result is some great, fun fights.
^ this mentality is what made the Minmatar LateNite group so successful. More people should fly like this, optimal blend of fun and victory. \o/ |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
4
|
Posted - 2011.12.20 02:28:00 -
[38] - Quote
Not-a-fleet-fleet FTW. 5-10 people spread out within a few jumps flying whothehellknowswhat always makes for interesting fights! |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
72
|
Posted - 2011.12.20 03:21:00 -
[39] - Quote
Garr Earthbender wrote:Not-a-fleet-fleet FTW. 5-10 people spread out within a few jumps flying whothehellknowswhat always makes for interesting fights!
This pretty much sums up my experience in qcats, there were formal mode fleets and then there was chatgris yelling in comms that he had a shiny ship pointed 5 jumps away and everyone converges |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
23
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:22:00 -
[40] - Quote
Forums are fun. I'm contributing!
All I know is most of the guys I flew with 1.5 years ago are either in Amarr, in Gallente, or in 0.0. Those that are still there are online less often than they used to be (like me). Such is the life of the space warrior.
New blood should and will take over, because the old blood is gone :)
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 04:45:00 -
[41] - Quote
He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response. |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
23
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:05:00 -
[42] - Quote
GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response.
So have I and a lot of other people. Its a game, if you don't enjoy playing it you have the right to change how you play. I don't think that's a good enough reason to join the opposing side and start a forum topic about why your old side was fail though...leave the forums be :P
I like DNL, so I was wondering what went bad. If all it is, is CalMil burn out, then god speed to you homie. May the space lanes be kind to you. I'll see you in a few months when you're purple again.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
91
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:26:00 -
[43] - Quote
Dark Pangolin wrote:So have I and a lot of other people. Its a game, if you don't enjoy playing it you have the right to change how you play. I don't think that's a good enough reason to join the opposing side and start a forum topic about why your old side was fail though...leave the forums be
I seem to recall he once said he was in militia just to recruit for 0,0 (If it was someone else, correct me).
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Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
105
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
FIRST GENERAL wrote:Gallactica wrote:FG brings WBR home and that's 90% of your problem sorted.
We are very lucky tbh in that weve had our problems, emo, falling outs, butthurtness etc etc but you know what 95% of the corps in Gallente tend respect that we don't always get on, respect the fact that we dont have people trying to lead everyone, that we dont get butthurt when corps have times doing there own thing and pretty much have the best comradary between us since day 1.
Or maybe I'm just drunk and missing playing much recently! drunk Gall best Gall <3 xoxoxox
You two should just get a room |
Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
105
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Posted - 2011.12.20 05:55:00 -
[45] - Quote
GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response.
Sad really. Let this be a lesson to anyone aspiring to become more than an 'x' in militia chat, you will be challenged, you will see dark times, do not just raise your hands up and leave at the first sign of adversity. Because nothing will come easy and adversity will be a constant in your rise.
I learned this the hard way when WBR was faced with adversity I tried and tried then up and left. Others up and leave to the opposing militia thinking the grass is greener there (psst it is'nt). Lessons learned. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
356
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Posted - 2011.12.20 06:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
Well, the true problem with the Caldari Militia is the attitude of most of its members, as exemplified by pretty much anyone in the militia who posts on these forums besides Gavin and members of Four Horsemen. You fix that and you'll be golden. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Mutnin
Mutineers
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 07:33:00 -
[47] - Quote
GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response.
He wouldn't be the first to learn that lesson.. I own http://www.factionwarfare.com/ and I tried 2 different times to start a information portal for FW on that site. I set up free forums for each Militia as well as free KB's all having unique themes for each Militia. Was also offering Militia corps private forums.
The first time I tried while I was in Minmatar I wrote a lot of fitting guides and made several skill plans for newer players to help them get started. You know that stuff that gets asked 100s of times daily in each Militia. I also was trying to set up a joint KB to have accurate stats across all 4 Militias at one place.
I ended up with 2 guys posting a few helpful guides but other than that got no support from FW members.
I tried again when I joined Caldari.. This was even b4 we had the KB loss I tried to set the site up as a unified KB and couldn't even get the major Caldari corps at the time to help support by adding their APIs.. So after that I wasn't going to bother with redoing any of the guides I had done the first go around and the site has sat there since.
My goal was to make a site for all 4 Militias that could point new players to as well as having a central KB system. I had hoped that by doing this there could be enough input from the players to use it as a tool to help push CCP into fixing FW. Unfortunately this fell on death ears from all 4 Militias. |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 07:39:00 -
[48] - Quote
Caldari Militia so far is the only militia that could win all the systems. It's not Caldari Militia who fails, it's all these trolls who use militia only to make money. Have you ever noticed how much 'help' does a rookie caldari pilot gets in militia chat? And what he gets when he tries to fight? Frog gang is dropped on him and shoop-da-whoop! You could understand these trolls too - probably they are trying to get others away from their feeding-trough. From my point of view, making rookie life in militia more easy and profits for veterans less could solve this problem. I think I have an idea and will post it somewhere... later Caldari Mititia has already won. Capsuleers need more motivation to protect the systems. |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 08:27:00 -
[49] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Caldari Militia so far is the only militia that could win all the systems. It's not Caldari Militia who fails, it's all these trolls who use militia only to make money. Have you ever noticed how much 'help' does a rookie caldari pilot gets in militia chat? And what he gets when he tries to fight? Frog gang is dropped on him and shoop-da-whoop! You could understand these trolls too - probably they are trying to get others away from their feeding-trough. From my point of view, making rookie life in militia more easy and profits for veterans less could solve this problem. I think I have an idea and will post it somewhere... later Caldari Mititia has already won. Capsuleers need more motivation to protect the systems.
oh god why do you forsake me? Caldari won jack all... There is nothing for taking systems. Thats why I laugh at the Galls going "whooo we're winning systems" after 3 years of going "winning systems is lame!".
Wars are won on morale, and Caldari have never had morale, even the good corps kept to themselves never giving the rest morale, a few good players tried but they tried do it as a school. Now its time to do it as fun!
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Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 09:25:00 -
[50] - Quote
Whats' the morale of a cloaky-tengu mission runner? I don't think these terms are applicable here. |
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
6
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:40:00 -
[51] - Quote
Dark Pangolin wrote:GavinGoodrich wrote:He was disgruntled because he put a ton of his free time into calmil but got almost zilch of a response. So have I and a lot of other people. Its a game, if you don't enjoy playing it you have the right to change how you play. I don't think that's a good enough reason to join the opposing side and start a forum topic about why your old side was fail though...leave the forums be :P I like DNL, so I was wondering what went bad. If all it is, is CalMil burn out, then god speed to you homie. May the space lanes be kind to you. I'll see you in a few months when you're purple again.
true, i spent alot more time, isk and effort into cal militia than i really should have. short run through - im unemployed (pay accounts with isk), - sink all my isk into benefits for militia (bout 8bil total), - spend all my time making websites and such and ignoring wife and kids, - calmil became work and no fun, - calmil and friends start shooting me, - galmil offers me fun, i accept
i probably shouldnt have started this thread in an emo rage, but it was either vent my frustration here, or in real life affecting my wife and 4 kids. the forum option was a no-brainer imo |
Jess Conell
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
In my Opinion Caldari Militia is actual restructuring.
I think the Leaders of the most active Corps in Cal-Mil have to discuss what ist the best way to become more Powerful. Beginning with Fleetsetups , ending with concrete Military Op-¦s together. But First step is to build contacts over Timezone and Language. Who are they? One problem, there are many smaller Corps and single Players in NPC Corps.
For example, i start in Caldari Militia about 9 months ago, don-¦t know anything about the FW Mechanics like Plexing or FW Missions. First Lesson i-¦ve learned: Orange Stars will alwyas win when i fight against them, so where can i get those Orange Star? I joined a smaller german FW Corp and there were absolutely zero contact to any other Corp........or any intel Channel It changes slowly to be better at the past, but it-¦s a process that takes time. Also to turn the "purple Stars" into real Teammates wich really fly together - takes time. The Timezone/Language Effects are hindering too , so it takes more time.
What can every Member of Cal-Mil do?
We try to concentrate Forces in our Language/Timezone so we can helpfully join the bigger Militia Fleets, especially at Weekend.Every single Pilot is helpful. Second point is to teach new Corpmates the FW Mechanics and PVP Basics as good as we can.(we-¦re no "pro-¦s) Also we try to build contact-¦s to other corps, this is a very hard part and don-¦t worry @DNLeviathan you got no or less response.
Hopefully looking forward. |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:53:00 -
[53] - Quote
Jess makes real good points, but I hasten to add the Gallente too started with small corps. SoTF, QCats were low double figures when I first got to know them. But they actively recruited and grew. Grew a little too big for FW imho.
The only reason for corps is to set up fits, and make the CEO rich - I just want people to X up and if they die in a horror fit expect some "constructive" critique. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
Cali does not suck .... FCs sucks .... hell even I am back in FCing (accident imminent) after what I saw in past few months. all of them are thinking they are king of hills. Even forming in high sec makes me sick.
Enaluri is home of fat lazy cats ... usually took everybody 1 hour to organize enough to respond 1 pie BC harrashing around.
Just suck it up, shut ur holes and go out killing / plexing.
Oh yeah I am in smacking bandwagon again ....
.... please my smack enemies form one line (mob like behaviour makes me nervous). |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:24:00 -
[55] - Quote
No, really... what's wrong about forming in highsec? My point on this matter is simple: if FC asks to form in lowsec, he has reasons, if he asks to form in highsec, he has reasons too. If you are talking about Nourv, it is very nice system to form a fleet: Jita is only a couple of jumps away, plus the system is swarmed with militia and forming fleet won't spike the system and alert possible enemy scouts, it's a really nice place to hide your fleet ;) |
Mutnin
Mutineers
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:51:00 -
[56] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:No, really... what's wrong about forming in highsec? My point on this matter is simple: if FC asks to form in lowsec, he has reasons, if he asks to form in highsec, he has reasons too. If you are talking about Nourv, it is very nice system to form a fleet: Jita is only a couple of jumps away, plus the system is swarmed with militia and forming fleet won't spike the system and alert possible enemy scouts, it's a really nice place to hide your fleet ;)
I disagree with this because forming fleets in high sec ends up with people living in high sec. That right there changes the mentality of the players to think of PVP as 2nd fiddle and causes them to lower their guards and become easy gank targets. ( I can't count the number of morons I saw get ganked "in" Nourv sitting on the high sec side thinking they were safe)
When we (me and my afk corp mates) joined Cal Mil there was next to no one living in low sec. There was no Enal base or guys living in Rak or where ever. We picked Suj to base out of and it was pretty common to see no other Cal Militia members in low sec unless they were in bombers.
The bulk of them were living in Nourv and would camp their own high sec gate in Tama.. Most of these didn't seem to know there was anything out side of Tama aside from a random gang here or there. The best thing Cal did was finally getting corps to move to Enal as well as some in Rak, because it put a presence into low sec and essentially stopped Gallente frig gangs from camping the pipes killing random noobs or soloers.
Not to mention having Militia living in Nourv caused most of them to get camped into high sec as it gave only 1 place the Gallentte or pirates needed to be. Right on the Nourv gate in Tama. Same thing used to happen to Gals before they lived in low sec, they used to get camped in Villore by guys sitting on the gate in OMS.
The problem with FW is the bigger organized corps always come in build up a member base then leave with those members. Once one corp becomes dominate among a Militia as the top corp, it's kinda the snow ball effect of people wanting to join them. Eventually they become too big to get fights and move on. This happens over and over and in the end it always causes what ever Militia to have to scramble to regroup in the wake of the power vacuum. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
Mutnin is spot on with some of his comments.
Although some corps did come and go with the sole intention of recruiting people and then buggering off to pastures new with an inflated member base.
Now the difference is with some corps in Gallente, particularly mine is that i/we formed my corp with the single purpose of having FW fun - 95% of the people that joined us were from within FW or friends of people in FW - Now, going on to what Evil said about becoming too big for FW, again hes spot on, trying to keep everyone interested / involved / having fun etc is near enough impossible when you get to a certain size / organisation, so you try new things, but we always came back cos this is our roots and where the majority of us enjoy playing the most (and on record now, i state we 99.9% will not leave FW)
My point is, because most of the successful Gallente corps roots are 99.9% FW, weve been together since pretty much the beginning, weve had our fall outs, weve had our in-militia wars, weve fought together, weve died together and weve pretty much still stuck together and get on. We have a number of Fc's from different corps all doing there bit and we mostly all share each others comms which means if nothings going on we just generally talk rollocks and take the **** out of each other.
Caldari basing from Enaluri was a great idea, imho you need a sense of a "home" system, somewhere where if people come you want to boot them out as quickly as possible - it kinda gets things to mean something with being based there and creates a bit of a purpose from being there too. But, if you get too many people wanting to be king **** then it simply wont work - speaking from experience from when the MDP finally broke up, too many egos simply do not work and people then start to choose sides rather than concentrating on what we actually were supposed to.
Fingers crossed with what Evil Synns is trying to do it will bring some fun and some nice ganks back and raise morale - the rest will snowball as people will WANT to be get involved and be part of it and im sure Mr Synns will quite happily tell people to naff off :) |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:48:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:Cali does not suck .... FCs sucks .... hell even I am back in FCing (accident imminent) after what I saw in past few months. all of them are thinking they are king of hills. Even forming in high sec makes me sick.
Enaluri is home of fat lazy cats ... usually took everybody 1 hour to organize enough to respond 1 pie BC harrashing around.
Just suck it up, shut ur holes and go out killing / plexing.
Oh yeah I am in smacking bandwagon again ....
.... please my smack enemies form one line (mob like behaviour makes me nervous).
I disagree tbh mate, the FC can only herd so much to get people in the right ships for the job he wants them to do.
A lot of the time when we form stuff and for eg its and armour fleet and someone brings something "unsuitable" he will either be given a ship to use by one of us in fleet, or be laughed at and cos we know he will die first and miss all the kills, usually they swap ships pretty quickly.
Also, alot of the time with people who fly together frequently if there isnt a "experienced" fc running things it still works pretty well on our side as the quality of the pilots behind you makes a hell of a difference.
Its very very rare if one our fc's derps he gets any stick tbh, experience or not as most people are happy at the fact that they have someone pointing them in the right direction as opposed to counting station spins. A lot of the time the FC is only as good as the fleet behind him..... "ffs shoot the effing primary" |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:40:00 -
[59] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote: i probably shouldnt have started this thread in an emo rage, but it was either vent my frustration here, or in real life affecting my wife and 4 kids. the forum option was a no-brainer imo
Thanks not only for wasting out time with this thread, but showing us once again the dangers of becoming addicted to a MMO's.
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Tim Brewer
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2011.12.20 20:18:00 -
[60] - Quote
After that didn't work out we didn't want to go back to the same thing. We felt we owned Black Rise to such a degree that we lost good pvp'ers to boredom before we left. Hence we went with the other logical solution - join Amarr. Qoute
Wolfsbrigade owning black rise ? Orca syndicate used to crush you and all your buddies daily in black rise, toooo the point that you guys bailed out as well as a few others. You even tried to team up with Raven Federation and still failed.
I wouldn't go so far as saying we owned all of Black Rise, but we sure as hell owned the caldari home system *Enaluri* and the surrounding area for near a yr.
PS.
Caldari is and always will be a joke
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Garbad theWeak
52
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Posted - 2011.12.20 21:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
My experience in Caldari Militia was somewhat different.
I didn't observe calmil to be particularly poorly led, ununified, or disorganized (relative to the other militias). I saw several quality leaders and corps. It was simply a matter of gallente having more people in better ships. The average Calmil member simply does not have the SP or isk to properly ship and win outnumbered, and thus, 15 drakes > 10 drakes. Or worse, 15 abbys > 10 drakes. It wasn't a lack of willingness to fight or even skill, it was simple raw numbers.
A few nights of fighting consistently outnumbered with people titan bridging or undocking neut carriers and activity dropped even more. And tbh, this is probably the best strategy -- deny the gal blob fights until they get bored enough to move to 0.0 or switch sides again. But the good news is all it would take to turn it around is a good active 30 man corp and suddenly the pendulum swings the other way. |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
23
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
Now tim if you mean owned as in when we all went to bed you hot dropped carriers on 6 BCs...then yes you owned...pro pee vee pee :)
Want to know the standard engagement practice i had for you guys?
Pilot 1 "They have an Armageddon and a Harb sitting in Aki..." FC: "Check Aivoinen" Piot 1: "Thanatos and Aarchon on scan..." FC: "I'm going to bed"
I didn't see you doing that when we had 30 guys though...
Why must everyone wave their epeen. How do you delete forums and kill-mails?
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
23
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:55:00 -
[63] - Quote
Garbad theWeak wrote:My experience in Caldari Militia was somewhat different.
I didn't observe calmil to be particularly poorly led, ununified, or disorganized (relative to the other militias). I saw several quality leaders and corps. It was simply a matter of gallente having more people in better ships. The average Calmil member simply does not have the SP or isk to properly ship and win outnumbered, and thus, 15 drakes > 10 drakes. Or worse, 15 abbys > 10 drakes. It wasn't a lack of willingness to fight or even skill, it was simple raw numbers.
A few nights of fighting consistently outnumbered with people titan bridging or undocking neut carriers and activity dropped even more. And tbh, this is probably the best strategy -- deny the gal blob fights until they get bored enough to move to 0.0 or switch sides again. But the good news is all it would take to turn it around is a good active 30 man corp and suddenly the pendulum swings the other way.
^ This |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
2
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Posted - 2011.12.20 23:38:00 -
[64] - Quote
Communication and coordination between corps.
That's the main difference between Cal and Gall mil.
Each side has their share of shiney ships, blobs, carriers and every other excuse one can imagine.
The key to success as a "militia" is communication and coordination between corps.
You guys solve that riddle and the rest will fall into place with little effort.... |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
23
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Posted - 2011.12.21 04:47:00 -
[65] - Quote
Cromwell Savage wrote:Communication and coordination between corps.
That's the main difference between Cal and Gall mil.
Each side has their share of shiney ships, blobs, carriers and every other excuse one can imagine.
The key to success as a "militia" is communication and coordination between corps.
You guys solve that riddle and the rest will fall into place with little effort....
#'s bro we are lacking solid pvp #s tehre are 10-15 guys who are active. Current top active corps for the month in CalMil are...
1. Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (The4...) 2. Nasranite Watch (Damar and friends currently in Amarr space) 3. State Protectorate (A few active unattached souls (Squat, Gavin, etc.)) 4. Scourge of God (Mooxe...otherwise mostly they stay in Tama) 5. BioBreak Inc.(Who?) 6. Hole Plunderer's (I believe their CEO just joined Spiritus Draconis) 7. Black Sanctum (3-5 active guys that I see) 8. 1st MC (Who?) 9. Stargate Kommand (3-5 active EU guys) 10. ASPIRE Commandos (I believe they just left militia)
2 of those corps I never see in Black Rise or in fleets, 1 has left militia, 1 has had the CEO leave and start this thread. Add up all the active pee vee pee guys and you get 30 on a good day. 10-15 otherwise.
We have bled some good pilots and corps in the last 6 months. btw did I notice 2 new 70+ man corps join GalMil? Its a vicious feedback loop. People joint he winning side, and leave the losing side.
I don't disagree about communication. Believe it or not all the corps that are active are on the same coms and talking to each other. There are just never more than ~15 people on coms. You guys know, you have our mumble info.
I hold to my previous statements. New blood, new militia. Feedback loops suck. one new active 30 man corp would be great. 2 new active 70 man corps would be even better. I leave it to good pilots to make it happen.
Moar pew pew! That's all I ever want. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
91
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Posted - 2011.12.21 06:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Garbad theWeak wrote:deny the gal blob fights until they get bored enough to move to 0.0 or switch sides again. But the good news is all it would take to turn it around is a good active 30 man corp and suddenly the pendulum swings the other way.
I say it again. They wont leave FW because they thrive in environment where they can get some lopsided kills and call it a day. If something which is too heavy (Draketrain, PERVS) comes around, they are happy to sit docked and wait for the heavies to get bored and leave FW. Then they can come back out make forum threads how they pwn everything.
Why do you think SOTF returned to FW? For good fights? Bringing 100 guys to environment where they have at most 15-20 organized opponents? Lets not be under any illusion here.
I hope the Matar are not getting into same kind of lameness as frogs usually demonstrate. Yesterday me and Lancress took a fight in minor plex with hookbill/griffin against multiple destroyers and frigates (initially 2:1 odds, later 4:1). In the end we killed two thrashers, catalyst and rifter before being forced out (neither of us died). Quess what the response was to GF since we did consider it to be one with Lancress?
"You guys are cowards because you have a griffin!" |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
364
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Posted - 2011.12.21 06:58:00 -
[67] - Quote
Do you ever get tired of not knowing what the **** you're talking about? I would have thought being wrong nearly all the time would get disheartening after a while. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
Well, Im just back from a long eve break. This is my third-ish stint in FW (was with FOOM and Handsome Millionaire Playboys before). Granted I wasnt in FW for long stints before, but this time I have had some of the best small gang fights I have had my entire time in EVE. I guess maybe because of the plexing changes? Or maybe because the caldari numbers are down, we just havent been seeing the blobs. Have seen a lot of 3-8 man fleet fights with QCATS and others, and it has been a blast. I have normal fleetfit ships, and fly some post-crucible experimental fits (read:failfit). No one gives me hell for them. There are lots of 'not-a-fleet' fleets. A call goes out - ships might be suggested - but never mandated, and no one gets sent home. As soon as there are enough folks for critical mass, we jump and fight with whatever ships we have on hand. Inter-corp comms are great.
My one observation as a new player who was in the FDU npc corp for a few weeks before joining QCATS is this: Why the heck is everyone so paranoid about spies? The people in general militia channel are generally shunned and ignored and have trouble getting in fleets or on voice comms. Its silly. The worst thing a spy can do in FW is get you into a fight - isnt that exactly why we are here?
IMHO there are noobs who join FW NCP corps and are really looking for guidance and just get ignored. They spend a few frstrating days or hours fling around and then quit. I think corps that are actively looking to grow should assign a person to that channel to give tips, advice, etc. Invite folks to fleets. Let them into your 'low tier' unsecured voice comms, etc. (Val Erian was kind enogh to do this for me this time around). Once they start building a combat record, the they are probably not a spy and can be recruited. Maybe there are people that just get missed in this channel on CalMil side too?
Sure, you might get a spai in a fleet every now and then but really - what is the worse a spy can do? They will tell the other side how to find your fleet and get you a fight. If the fleet has proper scouts out, they still wont get full-blown ambused. Spy or no.
Anyway, i hope the squids can recruit some new blood/corps. They still have a good base of folks that are excellent pvpers and willing to fight. A few more will make it more fun.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
2
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:48:00 -
[69] - Quote
Dark Pangolin wrote:[quote=Cromwell Savage] We have bled some good pilots and corps in the last 6 months. btw did I notice 2 new 70+ man corps join GalMil? Its a vicious feedback loop. People joint he winning side, and leave the losing side.
It's always been this way TBH.. people will join the stronger side much more often than the weaker side. The average EVE player just wants easy access to gangs and easy KMs. It's much easier to get both if your on the side that is currently winning. Very few groups actually want the challenge of going against the odds. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
91
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:48:00 -
[70] - Quote
Hrett wrote:we just havent been seeing the blobs.
Where is the mysterious Caldari blob you speak off? I think last militia FC threw in the towel yesterday anyway since there is hardly a reason to undock in Black Rise anymore.
Oh and yesterday froggies rolled out with combined fleet of 70 with matar. And yet they say other side is the one with more numbers and bigger blobs. |
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NovaReon
Department of Moisture Evaporation
3
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
"Dark Pangolin" wrote:Add up all the active pee vee pee guys and you get 30 on a good day. 10-15 otherwise.
I find it amusing that THE4 should complain about the lack of active people given that you booted a load of newbies off your roster recently. Numbers are a problem though, and I did indeed witness the accused curbstomping tendency of the Gallente side - they'd show up with a big-ass fleet only to bail once we had managed to gather similar numbers, or play gate games.
"Hrett" wrote:My one observation as a new player who was in the FDU npc corp for a few weeks before joining QCATS is this: Why the heck is everyone so paranoid about spies?
This, this, and this again. First off, there isn't really anything a spy can do in FW aside from relaying your location, and loot wrecks before bailing if he sucks. Secondly, you will never catch a competent spy, ever. In the process however, you'll likely end up accusing and driving off aspiring pilots. Nobody likes a paranoid atmosphere in a corp/militia that's already fighting a losing battle.
Efficient intel especially during fleet fights was one thing the CalMil seemed to lack. A whole fleet of battleships dropped on our drake gang during a winning fight simply because nobody noticed them entering the system.
As it looks right now, I'd rather join the pirates than go back to FW. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
40
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:11:00 -
[72] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:No, really... what's wrong about forming in highsec? My point on this matter is simple: if FC asks to form in lowsec, he has reasons, if he asks to form in highsec, he has reasons too. If you are talking about Nourv, it is very nice system to form a fleet: Jita is only a couple of jumps away, plus the system is swarmed with militia and forming fleet won't spike the system and alert possible enemy scouts, it's a really nice place to hide your fleet ;)
There is nothing wrong with basing in higsec, draketrain used to be have base in Villore back in time we were in Caldari militia. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:26:00 -
[73] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:Cali does not suck .... FCs sucks .... hell even I am back in FCing (accident imminent) after what I saw in past few months. all of them are thinking they are king of hills. Even forming in high sec makes me sick.
Enaluri is home of fat lazy cats ... usually took everybody 1 hour to organize enough to respond 1 pie BC harrashing around.
Just suck it up, shut ur holes and go out killing / plexing.
Oh yeah I am in smacking bandwagon again ....
.... please my smack enemies form one line (mob like behaviour makes me nervous). I disagree tbh mate, the FC can only herd so much to get people in the right ships for the job he wants them to do. A lot of the time when we form stuff and for eg its and armour fleet and someone brings something "unsuitable" he will either be given a ship to use by one of us in fleet, or be laughed at and cos we know he will die first and miss all the kills, usually they swap ships pretty quickly. Also, alot of the time with people who fly together frequently if there isnt a "experienced" fc running things it still works pretty well on our side as the quality of the pilots behind you makes a hell of a difference. Its very very rare if one our fc's derps he gets any stick tbh, experience or not as most people are happy at the fact that they have someone pointing them in the right direction as opposed to counting station spins. A lot of the time the FC is only as good as the fleet behind him..... "ffs shoot the effing primary"
dont agree .... one of the reasons IBS was more successful in the days of Galente blob was we were mobile and flexible (despite some murmuring in our lines about moving here and there) ... I had same experience from pie life with EAK. If u dont have superior numbers u have to be able to pack ur stuff and move. Problem of Caldari is that most of the leaders are not flexible and not able to think out of the box (Gallente has same, but u dont lack the numbers and sps). And also everybody has feeeling how big messiah he is (have need to crucify them all). As I said keep moving and shooting .... organization is something u have to sort too, but it is hard to sort it if people are lazy station huggers or band breaking fags. Once u get them out of the station box, they will be willing to join ur crazy ideas. Also less experienced players can see more experienced pilots do some good piloting (I am not a superstar, but can do some dirty sleazy tricks with some ships and noobs in my corp can see them in action).
Quality of pilots matters, quallity of FC matters, willingness to go out and try to fight 1 v 10 (in some weird setups or under diferent conditions) matters.
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.21 09:56:00 -
[74] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Diana Kim wrote:No, really... what's wrong about forming in highsec? My point on this matter is simple: if FC asks to form in lowsec, he has reasons, if he asks to form in highsec, he has reasons too. If you are talking about Nourv, it is very nice system to form a fleet: Jita is only a couple of jumps away, plus the system is swarmed with militia and forming fleet won't spike the system and alert possible enemy scouts, it's a really nice place to hide your fleet ;) There is nothing wrong with basing in higsec, draketrain used to have base in Villore back in time we were in Caldari militia.
hehe ... well offered same to some caldari corps (similar system) and everybody thought I am crazy ;) ... basing in Gallente high sec has lot of advantages. |
Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 13:33:00 -
[75] - Quote
I put the problem down to lack of decent plexing corps in the caldari. Back in my time in the 22nd Blackrise we would top the plexing charts often and we had alot of fun doing it. A group of newish players we learnt how to exist in low sec we learnt how to fight for plexes and we became very good at what we did in the end. The restrictions on what ships could enter a plex made a level playing field that we exploited to our advantage. Anyone who understands when and where to plex will understand how easy it is to get a fight in one. Only those who have no understanding of what systems are the most contested and are closest to flipping will tell you plexing is boring because as well know if you go to a random system and plex it will be boring.
People tell you it is pointless but for me forming a large blob and flying from Nourv through tama down to old man star every day is even more pointless. You could say everything in eve is infact pointless as its only a game. Personaly I like to play a game where my actions atleast have some consequence even it is simply a mark on the sov map.
I thought about returning a few times but the thought of that mindless Tama too OMS routine is enough to put me off. Should a well orgainesd corp or two attempt to revive the old Caldari spirit I or atleast some of my alts would indeed be tempted. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.21 13:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
Chav Queen wrote:I put the problem down to lack of decent plexing corps in the caldari. Back in my time in the 22nd Blackrise we would top the plexing charts often and we had alot of fun doing it. A group of newish players we learnt how to exist in low sec we learnt how to fight for plexes and we became very good at what we did in the end. The restrictions on what ships could enter a plex made a level playing field that we exploited to our advantage. Anyone who understands when and where to plex will understand how easy it is to get a fight in one. Only those who have no understanding of what systems are the most contested and are closest to flipping will tell you plexing is boring because as well know if you go to a random system and plex it will be boring.
People tell you it is pointless but for me forming a large blob and flying from Nourv through tama down to old man star every day is even more pointless. You could say everything in eve is infact pointless as its only a game. Personaly I like to play a game where my actions atleast have some consequence even it is simply a mark on the sov map.
I thought about returning a few times but the thought of that mindless Tama too OMS routine is enough to put me off. Should a well orgainesd corp or two attempt to revive the old Caldari spirit I or atleast some of my alts would indeed be tempted.
<<< Snake is proud ex 22nd BRDU :) |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
19
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Posted - 2011.12.21 15:44:00 -
[77] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Garbad theWeak wrote:deny the gal blob fights until they get bored enough to move to 0.0 or switch sides again. But the good news is all it would take to turn it around is a good active 30 man corp and suddenly the pendulum swings the other way. I say it again. They wont leave FW because they thrive in environment where they can get some lopsided kills and call it a day. If something which is too heavy (Draketrain, PERVS) comes around, they are happy to sit docked and wait for the heavies to get bored and leave FW. Then they can come back out make forum threads how they pwn everything. Why do you think SOTF returned to FW? For good fights? Bringing 100 guys to environment where they have at most 15-20 organized opponents? Lets not be under any illusion here. I hope the Matar are not getting into same kind of lameness as frogs usually demonstrate. Yesterday me and Lancress took a fight in minor plex with hookbill/griffin against multiple destroyers and frigates (initially 2:1 odds, later 4:1). In the end we killed two thrashers, catalyst and rifter before being forced out (neither of us died). Quess what the response was to GF since we did consider it to be one with Lancress? " You guys are cowards because you have a griffin!"
Gal/Cal, can you guys please take this wanker back? He cries more than Cry Loud and is more obnoxious and high-horsey than Flyinghotpocket. He also spins buttons all day which obviously raises questions about his sanity. |
NovaReon
Department of Moisture Evaporation
3
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Posted - 2011.12.21 15:55:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Gal/Cal, can you guys please take this wanker back? He cries more than Cry Loud and is more obnoxious and high-horsey than Flyinghotpocket. He also spins buttons all day which obviously raises questions about his sanity.
Sorry. No receipt, no return. |
Pamela Podpopper
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 16:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:i know alot of people say its cause its the carebear faction and ive used thaty excue myself many times. but now my view has changed. they shoot blues. why would anyone fleet up when they may get ganked by their own miltia buddies? if itsnot that then they declare internal wardecs because a neutral alt was not made aware of and got ganked by blues. 3rd reason is they all demand that everyone plays the exact same way wether they like it or not. its a game, have fun, fly the way you want to fly and maybe JUST MAYBE more people would get involved.
Two words:
Damar Rocarion
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Pamela Podpopper
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 16:24:00 -
[80] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Zeerover wrote:[quote=Pulgy]the better corps in Gallente will tire of the lack of opposition and move elsewhere, balancing the sides - it's the circle of FW life. Like hell they will. If any organised corp comes to Caldari side, the frogs stay docked and employ their well known strategy of "bore the enemy to death" until they can come out again and proceed to their usual hobby of ganking noobs since that's the enviroment where they thrive. Just look what happened with draketrain. No fleet fights were given after few attempts and froggies proceeded to wait it out because people like Lacco and Shana Tirii are quick to walk away if there is no fun to be had..
you are Eves Biggest Hypocrite |
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.12.21 17:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
Who stayed docked Damar?
Also, you seem to forget the few times we had our arranged little fights with Lacco and a your gang (including yourself too) had some good fun doing that, Cant believe after all youve ever said you actually had fun with an enemy and worked together for a common goal, tut tut.
Also, SoTF came back to FW because for the majority of our member base the other options (and we went in 100% and tried them) in eve sucked massive donkey balls for us (in our humble opinion and tbh because 99% of my corp was recruited and built around FW) - Just because we have 100 members sure doesnt mean any where near that number is currently active.
We always have and always be a FW corp. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
91
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Posted - 2011.12.21 17:24:00 -
[82] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Cant believe after all youve ever said you actually had fun with an enemy and worked together for a common goal, tut tut.
Let's get this bullcrap out of the books shall we. I only attended because CEO commanded me to do it to assist our less experienced members. I didnt have fun doing it since organised fights are not what Eve is about, especially when it's organised with people who have well know personal agenda against me.
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Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.12.21 17:58:00 -
[83] - Quote
Damar Rocarion pulling your strings Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams Blinded by me, you can't see a thing Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream Master Master Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream Master Master |
Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
8
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Posted - 2011.12.21 18:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:especially when it's organised with people who have well know personal agenda against me.
dun dun dun
Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
19
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Posted - 2011.12.21 18:29:00 -
[85] - Quote
NovaReon wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Gal/Cal, can you guys please take this wanker back? He cries more than Cry Loud and is more obnoxious and high-horsey than Flyinghotpocket. He also spins buttons all day which obviously raises questions about his sanity. Sorry. No receipt, no return.
FML. |
ScarredEye
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP
4
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Posted - 2011.12.21 18:34:00 -
[86] - Quote
Garbad theWeak wrote:My experience in Caldari Militia was somewhat different.
I didn't observe calmil to be particularly poorly led, ununified, or disorganized (relative to the other militias). I saw several quality leaders and corps. It was simply a matter of gallente having more people in better ships. The average Calmil member simply does not have the SP or isk to properly ship and win outnumbered, and thus, 15 drakes > 10 drakes. Or worse, 15 abbys > 10 drakes. It wasn't a lack of willingness to fight or even skill, it was simple raw numbers.
A few nights of fighting consistently outnumbered with people titan bridging or undocking neut carriers and activity dropped even more. And tbh, this is probably the best strategy -- deny the gal blob fights until they get bored enough to move to 0.0 or switch sides again. But the good news is all it would take to turn it around is a good active 30 man corp and suddenly the pendulum swings the other way.
i am sorry i didnt reply earlier.
so caldari militia people dont have the isk? thats about as true as saying elephants fly in space and came from the center of the Milky Way.
as of the rest, kinda all wrong. im sorry i am busy trolling people on yahoo answer, so heck. |
ScarredEye
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP
4
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Posted - 2011.12.21 18:45:00 -
[87] - Quote
so in my seriously boring and sad attempt to not troll someone for once, here's a boringly sadly serious post.
caldari militia currently has a small number of good pvpers(compared to gal mil), has more pvers, less people who know how to fly together and how to fly something different from a drake, and a ridiculously lower efficiency, mainly due to said things.
In general, caldari militants have usually a **** ton of isk.
@Garbad thenotsosurprisinglyWeak also proves that for some reason that caldari militants themselves concluded to be "hey, it's caldari militia and people fly drakes", people think and use drakes. drakes drakes drakes. for everything.
while drakes are very versatile ships, there's a number of things when other ships will do the job better.
well, i and a friend camp enaluri station with 2 battleships, they bait us and undock drakes to be able to kill us before timer expires. For some reason they don't succeed.
immortal legion cynoes in nisuwa carriers and a rhea and puts up two POS. we are at the time inferior in number but we still decide to fight. the result is they undock 7 chimeras, 4 battleships and...drakes. a drake was also used as a cyno ship(it was bumped and killed).
most of the drakes were killed, the navy ravens were killed too, and one of the chimeras was killed. on station of course.
plex fights, they bring a swarm of drakes.
fleets, they bring a swarm of drakes with the occasional hurricane and their falcons.
drakes are very nice ships, but not to that point.
that's also something which caldari militia surely could do something about, and which would make it better.
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Mjolnir Gost
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:01:00 -
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Garbad theWeak wrote:My experience in Caldari Militia was somewhat different.
I didn't observe calmil to be particularly poorly led, ununified, or disorganized (relative to the other militias). I saw several quality leaders and corps. It was simply a matter of gallente having more people in better ships. The average Calmil member simply does not have the SP or isk to properly ship and win outnumbered, and thus, 15 drakes > 10 drakes. Or worse, 15 abbys > 10 drakes. It wasn't a lack of willingness to fight or even skill, it was simple raw numbers.
A few nights of fighting consistently outnumbered with people titan bridging or undocking neut carriers and activity dropped even more. And tbh, this is probably the best strategy -- deny the gal blob fights until they get bored enough to move to 0.0 or switch sides again. But the good news is all it would take to turn it around is a good active 30 man corp and suddenly the pendulum swings the other way.
This is pretty much the sum total of reality. Anything else is really just either sour grapes or epeen madness.
I am happy to (finally) join this discussion and hope that the flaming in some posts is just an indication of the individual post authors obvious diaper rash.
Anyway, yeah, FW is cyclical. I have been at it for just over a year and love doing it even when the odds are against me/us. I honestly didn't enjoy the few weeks after Qcats left and there was nothing really to shoot. I would prefer slightly more even fleet fights cause those are just AWESOME. We had some great fights a few months back, like begining of summer when it seemed FW was nicely balanced in active player numbers. Anytime there is a severe mismatch it just doesn't seem fun or productive for the opposing side.
How do you solve it? You don't. It will need to happen organically. Garbad is absolutely correct that one decent size corp would put the fights back to awesomesauce proportions and less "blobby", which is not fun for the receiving end of the blob.
One thing that would help FW get where it needs to be is if the majority of people played it as intended with fewer "dirty tricks" like entering opposing militia comms, etc. But that's a pipe dream. Caldari just needs a few more active PvP'ers and it's all good. Yeah, go ahead and tell me how dirty Calmil used to be, I'm a big boy, I can handle it. The truth is we do not engage in this that I am aware of, if so, let me know who you think it is and we'll go from there.
More PvP'ers for Caldari = awesome fights in the future, so refer a legitimate (non-spy) friend and let's get fighting! |
Garbad theWeak
52
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:04:00 -
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ScarredEye wrote:@Garbad thenotsosurprisinglyWeak I think you misunderstood me a bit.
I meant the average cal mil member has relatively low isk, low SP, and low pvp experience. From what I can tell, you would fall into that category: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=ScarredEye
A guy with 27m SP and 350 kills probably doesn't have the SP, isk, or experience at using a wide variety of ships well. Obviously there are exceptions, but on average its true. So if the gallente bring in 15 pulse fit geddons, cal mil can't simply say no problem everyone reship to tengus and win 10v15. They are stuck using the same basic fits everyone can fly -- BC and t2 frigates. While there is nothing wrong with that, BC and frigs can't beat a bigger blob of BC and frigs, or worse, a bigger blob of battleships and logi supported by capitals.
So it boils down to a numbers game, with cal mil fighting a larger blob of more experienced players in better ships. And that's why they dock up and wait. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
366
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:40:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:especially when it's organised with people who have well know personal agenda against me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutory_delusions
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:33:00 -
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Dark Pangolin wrote: #'s bro we are lacking solid pvp #s tehre are 10-15 guys who are active. Current top active corps for the month in CalMil are...
1. Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (The4...) 2. Nasranite Watch (Damar and friends currently in Amarr space) 3. State Protectorate (A few active unattached souls (Squat, Gavin, etc.)) 4. Scourge of God (Mooxe...otherwise mostly they stay in Tama) 5. BioBreak Inc.(Who?) 6. Hole Plunderer's (I believe their CEO just joined Spiritus Draconis) 7. Black Sanctum (3-5 active guys that I see) 8. 1st MC (Who?) 9. Stargate Kommand (3-5 active EU guys) 10. ASPIRE Commandos (I believe they just left militia)
2 of those corps I never see in Black Rise or in fleets, 1 has left militia, 1 has had the CEO leave and start this thread. Add up all the active pee vee pee guys and you get 30 on a good day. 10-15 otherwise.
We have bled some good pilots and corps in the last 6 months. btw did I notice 2 new 70+ man corps join GalMil? Its a vicious feedback loop. People joint he winning side, and leave the losing side.
I don't disagree about communication. Believe it or not all the corps that are active are on the same coms and talking to each other. There are just never more than ~15 people on coms. You guys know, you have our mumble info.
I hold to my previous statements. New blood, new militia. Feedback loops suck. one new active 30 man corp would be great. 2 new active 70 man corps would be even better. I leave it to good pilots to make it happen.
Moar pew pew! That's all I ever want.
K - I'll concede on numbers of active, actual PvP pilots :P
However, when I joined FW 2 years ago, it was right as you guys were taking our last systems. Things were a bit tough back then for us. However, that actually made us work together more than it drove us away. Hopefully you guys can/will do the same.
With less pilots active - intel is everything - and hit-n-run will have to be the order of the day I guess. Yea, it's tough for you guys right now and the fact that Cal Mil has always been 80-90% PvE doesn't help. I too would like for you guys to rebound - and soon - as that would mean more quality pew pew for us all (after all, the majority of my kills over the last few days haven't been squids...).
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
72
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:46:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote: dont agree .... one of the reasons IBS was more successful in the days of Galente blob was we were mobile and flexible (despite some murmuring in our lines about moving here and there) ... I had same experience from pie life with EAK. If u dont have superior numbers u have to be able to pack ur stuff and move. Problem of Caldari is that most of the leaders are not flexible and not able to think out of the box (Gallente has same, but u dont lack the numbers and sps). And also everybody has feeeling how big messiah he is (have need to crucify them all). As I said keep moving and shooting .... organization is something u have to sort too, but it is hard to sort it if people are lazy station huggers or band breaking fags. Once u get them out of the station box, they will be willing to join ur crazy ideas. Also less experienced players can see more experienced pilots do some good piloting (I am not a superstar, but can do some dirty sleazy tricks with some ships and noobs in my corp can see them in action).
Quality of pilots matters, quallity of FC matters, willingness to go out and try to fight 1 v 10 (in some weird setups or under diferent conditions) matters.
IBS was also largely successful because of your "high profile" strategy. When you made IBS back then you made it clear that you wanted the corp to be high profile. With all the posts/blogs about everything IBS did, good or bad, it got IBS attention and got people back into caldari militia after the "exodus". (Also forums weren't as boring as they are today...) IBS was the first caldari player corp to break 10k kills and it still leads as having the most kills over other caldari corps even though other corps have had almost a year to catch up after IBS's decline. (THE4 are about 11,500 and will probably overtake IBS's 12k+ kills soon). IBS held that title for almost a year (or maybe it's been a year by now, who knows?) and that's pretty impressive.
There aren't really any movers or shakers in cal mil these days. Everyone wants to go about as how they've always done it. Gavin and others tried to get people to base in areas like ichoriya, something other than enaluri, setup new comms/forums, etc, but there really wasn't much support behind it (theres a seperate movement to base in hysera/hasmijalaa, and some corps have done so, will be interesting to see how that develops ).
Fleets still lose a significant number of ships/pilots due to the camps in enaluri. If you're out gunned/outnumbered and are still losing pods, frigs, BCs or whatever to gangs with 3 carriers (when you already lack numbers to neut out, out dps the reps of, or jam even 1 carrier effectively) providing reps, remotesebos, etc even when you have your "insta undock" then maybe it's time to think outside the box.
P.S. if you're interested in FW its a pretty decent place to make isk and get casual pew pew (still can get big fights, but not so likely ATM). It's a good place to log in and get pew pew within a short amount of time after logging in, it can be a solo fight, a small gang fight or even a larger fleet fight, FW offers most demographics of your prefered gang size. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
192
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Posted - 2011.12.22 05:18:00 -
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ScarredEye wrote:so in my seriously boring and sad attempt to not troll someone for once, here's a boringly sadly serious post.
caldari militia currently has a small number of good pvpers(compared to gal mil), has more pvers, less people who know how to fly together and how to fly something different from a drake, and a ridiculously lower efficiency, mainly due to said things.
In general, caldari militants have usually a **** ton of isk.
@Garbad thenotsosurprisinglyWeak also proves that for some reason that caldari militants themselves concluded to be "hey, it's caldari militia and people fly drakes", people think and use drakes. drakes drakes drakes. for everything.
while drakes are very versatile ships, there's a number of things when other ships will do the job better.
well, i and a friend camp enaluri station with 2 battleships, they bait us and undock drakes to be able to kill us before timer expires. For some reason they don't succeed.
immortal legion cynoes in nisuwa carriers and a rhea and puts up two POS. we are at the time inferior in number but we still decide to fight. the result is they undock 7 chimeras, 4 battleships and...drakes. a drake was also used as a cyno ship(it was bumped and killed).
most of the drakes were killed, the navy ravens were killed too, and one of the chimeras was killed. on station of course.
plex fights, they bring a swarm of drakes.
fleets, they bring a swarm of drakes with the occasional hurricane and their falcons.
drakes are very nice ships, but not to that point.
that's also something which caldari militia surely could do something about, and which would make it better.
So basically what you're trying to say is... we need to bring more Drakes? |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:22:00 -
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The issue is very simple, really. The Gals are winning the war, plain and simple.There are several causes for this, but the real reason, the most obvious reason is that they have won the way most wars are won, simply put, they have, for the time being deatroyed their enemies will to fight.
We can talk about why that is, and again, there are several factors, but the most basic and fundamental is the difference in attitude, that is, the Gallente are " Fighitng a war", whereas the Caldari are " In faction warfare". Doesn't sound like much of a reason, not much more than an ambiguity to most, but it is the underlying problem. The Caldari go "looking for fights" , whereas the gallente do what they have to do to maintain control over the theater of operations.I cannpt say much about what the glas thinking is, only what I see, and if i were them i would deny any organized planning, as all it does is invite a counter to what has been proven to work for them.OOddly, i never see the gallente complaining to much about spies, or carebears, or leadership issues, or improper fits or unwanted noobs who dont follow orders
X Gallentius wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:To be a leader one must have a strict fleet doctrine to follow and impose on his fleet members. The problem with general militia fleets and a good number of people flying in militia in general is that they lack order and discipline.
LOL, one of the strengths of our militia is the lack of order and discipline when running fleets. The ability to think outside the box and not hit "F1" comes in handy sometimes, and besides, sometimes you gotta have some fun. After a while, the guys pick up on "organized, disorganization" and the result is some great, fun fights.
If you go back and look at the heyday of caldari militia, when we took all the gallente systems, and destrpyed fleets larger than ourselves,regardless of what some parties will maintain, we had a plan, at least when More-Cowbell was involved.What the plan was isn't important.I will simply state it's goals, to take occupancy of all gallente systems, and to rid blackrise of all gallente and pirate interefernce.We did this. MCB did not plex, nor do i claim we did.I claim that taking all the systems was part of the plan.Specifically, for it's effect on enemy morale.For anyone who thinks system occupancy is irrelevant, simply search the forums for all the posts about gallente winning FW now that plexes are falling.It has a tangible effect, on both recruitment and longterm retention of militia members, but I digress.
X Gallentius makes the point that a real military commander would put in the parlance as saying he conducts an "Assesment of available means." He makes use of what he has, and cries not over what he has not. That is to say, he does not tell people they cant fleet because they arent fitted just so. What a real commander does, is look at his available means, and then come up with a misson that is achievable with the assets he has on hand.A real commander will find a use for his veteran pilots and corps, as well as his untrained unwashed masses.There is a difference between a Commander, a war leader, and an FC. Caldari militia has FCs; petty , vain, egotistical, divisive, prone to nepotism, elitist and short sighted, but yes, they have qualified FCs who can run a battle. What they lack are war leaders, real commanders, as opposed to FCs.Anyone can form up a fleet and take it for a run around the flagpole.It takes a leader to take a group of nubs in **** ships and take them out and use them to contribute to achieving long term goals.
Long term goals are stated as part of the problem ( or rather lack thereof). I will not restate my own personal opinions of what those goals could or should be, but rather, that the idea of having longterm goals is both realistic and worthwhile.This idea in and of itself cause problems in militia, for example:
You have a large group of people in Cal militia who say it is not POSSIBLE to have ANY war goals
You have another group who say that even if defining goals were possible, it is impossible to achieve them
There is another group who will actively oppose the ideas of any goals, as it might threaten their personal fiefdoms.
There are those who cannot find use for nubs, and so wont fly with them or fleet them.History shows us how to use these troops, the Romans had their Auxilia, who were vital to the Empires' security, and exclusively provided certain troops the legions themselves did not posess.A good example of how to use militia can by found in a study of the Battle of Cowpens (1781) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cowpens
Few, if any in militia understand it is about the will to fight, even as they log off in despair of finding a fight "On their terms"
By and large Caldari commanders either do not understand the concept of dictating the fight on their terms, or simply are incapable of pulling it off if they do.They are, in effect, unimaginative and lazy.If they are not presented with the fight they have fleeted for, they are at a loss, generally speaking. Reshipping takes ages.
There are few commanders who understand the concept of drawing a fight on their terms. They simply fleet, fly around, and either get blobbed and accept the fight, for lack of moral courage to turn it down,( and face the unhappy masses complaining how they got all dressed up for nothing) and go home in pods, or they get blueballed by smarter Gal pilots who are not content to be missille fodder out of sheer boredom, and then the fleet goes home blueballed and pissed off and they log offf anyway.
It is clear from Gallente response time they have a properly functioning command and control system, whatever it is, or however simple it is.Bottom line, they are able to mass quickly in the appropriate ships.Caldari command and control is a mess, and response times are abysmal.
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:41:00 -
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There are things that can be done, but certain things must change.
The attitude that FW is something pilots are "in", as opposed to being in a WAR, for starters.Different mindset, one that understands the fundamental goal is to destroy the other sides will to fight, i.e., make them log off, and not feel like loggin back on the next day. The idea that "winning FW is impossible" is poison, as is the idea that if we win, we will have noone to fight ( i have heard such ludicrous ideas used many times as a reason to not make agressive or longterm plans.
Fleest must be run with a goal in mind, trying to acheive something specific in theater.this doesnt mean you go out and win the war, but, if you go out trying to do a certain thing may times repatedly it does have an effect on the regions, its pipes, lines of communications, areas where the enemy bases out of, etc.Once around the flagpole looking for cheap kills dont cut it. Neither does parading a massive fleet in front of the enemy as if you were Lord Nelson and then expecting to get a fight to your liking.
New pilots must be used, even if they aren't taken into corp.
Established FCS need to learn some new tricks to get fights on their terms.Multiple maneuver elements, Feints, misdirection, and the general ability to make the enemy FC dislocate his fleet are all neglected as far as the "art " of war goes in FW.
Warfare is both an art and a science. Too often in FW it is looked on simply as a science, a mere mathematical equation where one adds up potential DPS and little beyond that, with the exception of the occasional FC who brings Logis and EW then thinks himself clever.
Streamlined command and control must be established.
Aggressive constant intel generating recon patrols Must be established.
New FCs must be encouraged.
Old FCs must be open to new ideas.
Long term war goals should be established, ay least by the leading corps, whose lead the rest follow. it is not necessary for the avg pilot to understand wat goalsd or plans. but it is important that the top FCs use their fleets in a manner directed toward achieving some result, whatever it may be, beyond simply getting fights. Usua;;y in warfare one seeks to establish an advantage in a particular area, and then exploit it, capitalize on it and build on it thus making future success more likely and future battles more likely to be fought on terms you, the commander, dictateDo you consider how are your fleets actions affecting the situation in the theater of operations?
Lastly and most importantly it must always be remembered the ultimate goal, to destroy the enemies will to fight.As an FC, do you ask yourself " How will my fleets actions affect my enemies will to fight?", If you do not you should start, as anything other is simply bad war.
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Tropic9
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2011.12.22 09:12:00 -
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Holy ****. That's a ******** post even by this forum's standard. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:50:00 -
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ScarredEye wrote:so in my seriously boring and sad attempt to not troll someone for once, here's a boringly sadly serious post.
caldari militia currently has a small number of good pvpers(compared to gal mil), has more pvers, less people who know how to fly together and how to fly something different from a drake, and a ridiculously lower efficiency, mainly due to said things.
Actually the KB stats are very skewed on efficiency..
If you look at last month.. eve-kill shows a Caldri's efficiency @ 62.25%.
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=11&y=2011
Now if you look through the stats Caldari is pretty much straight up or ahead for kills vs deaths in everything combat wise but frigs.. The bad efficiency part comes in with a **** load of dead pods .
Total kills for Nov were 2456 and losses were 2929, meanwhile 602 pods were lost vs 276 killed.
Now if you look further you will see that Caldari 156.73B in damage while doing 258.41B in damage. Meaning Caldari did almost 100- billion more in damage than they received during the month of November.
This simple look, shows how skewed the starts are and reality is not what the KB shows in regard to "true efficiency. IMO killing 100 billion more than you lost is a bit better than a bunch of pod losses when you figure most of those pod losses were probably carebears whom fly around in noob ships collecting FW missions.
Looking at the all time and it's much the same Caldari has done 7,381.62B in ISK damages and only received 5,923.49B in ISK damages. Caldari is 1,458.13B ISK in the green in regard to ISK damage.
ie.. as that favorite null sec meme goes.. We're winning the ISk war. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.12.22 14:33:00 -
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Your winning the isk war.......
Caldari Kills : 144,454 Losses: 146,688
Damage done (isk) 7,382.68 b Damage Received (isk) 5,923.53 b
Efficeincy: 55.48%
Gallente Kills: 159,052 Losses: 118,165 Damage done (isk) 8,132.79 b Damage Received (isk) 4,560.24 b
Efficeincy: 64.07%
We have killed nearly a trillion more isk than you, and lost 1.5 trillion less isk than you. |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
3
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:13:00 -
[99] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Your winning the isk war.......
Caldari Kills : 144,454 Losses: 146,688
Damage done (isk) 7,382.68 b Damage Received (isk) 5,923.53 b
Efficeincy: 55.48%
Gallente Kills: 159,052 Losses: 118,165 Damage done (isk) 8,132.79 b Damage Received (isk) 4,560.24 b
Efficeincy: 64.07%
We have killed nearly a trillion more isk than you, and lost 1.5 trillion less isk than you.
Its not even close mate.
Gall you look crazy man! How can 2 sides of a war both have +50% efficiency against each other?
Crazy Gall of the Gallente... I wonder if I can move WOLFY into the Caldari 1 day, kill someone does all the kills swing over?
Bottom line is.. ARE WE ALL HAVING GUN YET? |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.12.22 15:26:00 -
[100] - Quote
Amar / minmatar / neutral kills / losses would be my education guess Evil :) |
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
41
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Posted - 2011.12.22 17:01:00 -
[101] - Quote
kill board efficiency is miss leading value.
Usually people consider that example good merc corps should have at least 80% efficiency.
Personally think that good efficiency is over 90%
Efficiency is usually lower on guys who do solo pvp etc so it is not exact value to measure success.
If you analyze kill board stats you can not take only 1 value out and decide if it is good or not.
Both gallente and Caldari has bad overall stats and that is how it should be with random newbies on board. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 17:52:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Your winning the isk war.......
Caldari Kills : 144,454 Losses: 146,688
Damage done (isk) 7,382.68 b Damage Received (isk) 5,923.53 b
Efficeincy: 55.48%
Gallente Kills: 159,052 Losses: 118,165 Damage done (isk) 8,132.79 b Damage Received (isk) 4,560.24 b
Ecy: 64.07%
We have killed nearly a trillion more isk than you, and lost 1.5 trillion less isk than you.
Its not even close mate.
I wasn't saying Caldari was winning the ISK war vs Gallente I was saying that on efficiency as shown on eve-kill is very skewed.. They seem to "only" count ship kills in their figure while right there in their own stats Caldari is well over 100% on ISK efficiency.
I only compared Gallente & Caldari together to show the Caldari has a much higher Kill to ISK ratio than Gallente. Meaning it cost Caldari less ISK to get a kill or we are giving more valuable stuff than we are losing. The point being IMO that is efficient on the ISk which for what ever reason KB's seem to not take into consideration.
Not to mention that it's pretty easy to see that Caldari gets a mis-represented kill efficiency stat due to the large number of mission farmers that we can't do anything about. Remove all those mission farmers from FW and their losses that we get stuck with and you see over 100% efficiency on Caldari KB stats..
ie.. the stats don't show the picture which is the point I was making. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 18:12:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote: Personally think that good efficiency is over 90%
Efficiency is usually lower on guys who do solo pvp etc so it is not exact value to measure success.
This isn't true.. I don't solo as much as I used to on this char so his kill stats are skewed with fleet kills however my other main that I hardly ever fly there days is probably 95% solo kills. Granted he doesn't have a crazy amount of kills due to me not flying him much but he's 370 kills to 76 losses. Damage done is 17.13B to 1.98B in losses that's 89.65% efficiency on EVE kill which shows all my losses on him but is missing about 30 kills.
I flew a mix of BC, cruiser & frigs all T1.. Rifters, Ruptures & Hurricanes. so it's not like I was going around killing a bunch of frigs in a arti cane or flying some ubber pie frig. Kills break down was 89 frigs, 72 cruisers, 81 BS with 22 dessies & 11 Hacs, 11 assault ships & 28 BS. (with some assorted others here & there)
Meaning you can still have very good efficiency as a soloer and "actually fighting you just have to be smart enough to not get ganked when someone yells "It's a Tarp!"
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EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.22 18:45:00 -
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Gallactica wrote:Amar / minmatar / neutral kills / losses would be my education guess Evil :)
My piont! It would be nice to see what the actual score is?
Just so I know where we starting
have I mentioned how bad these forums are? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.23 07:23:00 -
[105] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:It is clear from Gallente response time they have a properly functioning command and control system, whatever it is, or however simple it is.Bottom line, they are able to mass quickly in the appropriate ships.Caldari command and control is a mess, and response times are abysmal
Disclaimer: EU Timezone completely independent from US TZ, I'm only talking about the latter.
Second disclaimer: The last time I was really active was back in July, but when I log in things aren't too different lately.
I'd say the gallente's US TZ power comes from the reverse: We don't really have a command and control system, rather we have a lot of pilots who are comfortable roaming around solo. Because of this, we get good intel, and when someone spots something we have a lot of pilots who can quickly reship and *get themselves to the fight independently*.
That means our response is fast since the FC doesn't have to rally everyone together. It's the lack of a command and control system that leads to fast response times, and that leads to good intel.
As an added bonus: those pilots that might want to have their hand held on the way to a fight learn if they don't reship and get to where they should be fast, they get left behind and left out of the killmail fun. As a consequence, they learn next time to have the right ships ready and to move when there is intel to be acted on.
Finally, when you have a string of people coming to the fight, it's hard for the enemy to get good intel on your fleet, instead of the traditional blob that you can get a full count as they warp from gate to gate and wait.
Otherwise, what do I see the caldari do wrong? The biggest thing is a lack of will to lose ships: An example, chased a caldari fleet around a bit, they decided to fight on a gate, but half the enemy fleet warped away right at the start of the fight since it would have been a close fight, instead it turned into slauighter. Those exact same pilots came back 2 minutes later when they came to help the gallente against a pirate fleet in the same system when their ships weren't really at risk. I see this time and again, intel has so many caldari pilots, but a number just decide to flee at the start of a pitched battle.
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Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
2
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Posted - 2011.12.23 07:42:00 -
[106] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Tanaka Sekigahara wrote: .... ....
In before the manditory Damar response to anything Chatgris posts with his "wall-o-text" of seething hatred with posted links of his pew pew awesomeness where he single handedly beat back entire Gallente and Minmatar blobs solo while killing faction BS and cruisers with one shot ... while he was oustide.... in the snow ..... naked ....... petting his pet reindeer "Muffy"..... |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
92
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Posted - 2011.12.23 09:00:00 -
[107] - Quote
Cromwell Savage wrote:In before the manditory Damar response
Sorry, I'm too busy laughing to minmatars who demand I return back to fight instead of catching bus for work (for Matar, Eve > paycheck obviously) when I log on briefly after breakfast and kill some stuff before logging off. Remember boys and girls, using ECM when fighting outnumbered is totally unfair and cowardly. So say the warriors of the republic
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
20
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Posted - 2011.12.23 12:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:In before the manditory Damar response Sorry, I'm too busy laughing to minmatars who demand I return back to fight instead of catching bus for work (for Matar, Eve > paycheck obviously) when I log on briefly after breakfast and kill some stuff before logging off. Remember boys and girls, using ECM when fighting outnumbered is totally unfair and cowardly. So say the warriors of the republic
Damar is mad we took back Dal, clearly. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
92
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Posted - 2011.12.23 14:03:00 -
[109] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Damar is mad we took back Dal, clearly.
"We are in total control of Dal and losing over 300 ships to NAERY is not at all annoying" - spokesperson for Autocannons Anonymous
Anyway, i'm looking forward to fights to retake it. You'll just need to wait until holidays are over since some of us do have families to attend to. And lets not forget that while you retook Dal. Amarr recaptured a system elsewhere
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
6
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Posted - 2011.12.23 14:42:00 -
[110] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Damar is mad we took back Dal, clearly. " We are in total control of Dal and losing over 300 ships to NAERY is not at all annoying" - spokesperson for Autocannons Anonymous Anyway, i'm looking forward to fights to retake it. You'll just need to wait until holidays are over since some of us do have families to attend to. And lets not forget that while you retook Dal. Amarr recaptured a system elsewhere
and here was me thinking plexing was your sole reason for living |
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.23 15:05:00 -
[111] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:It is clear from Gallente response time they have a properly functioning command and control system, whatever it is, or however simple it is.Bottom line, they are able to mass quickly in the appropriate ships.Caldari command and control is a mess, and response times are abysmal Disclaimer: EU Timezone completely independent from US TZ, I'm only talking about the latter. Second disclaimer: The last time I was really active was back in July, but when I log in things aren't too different lately. I'd say the gallente's US TZ power comes from the reverse: We don't really have a command and control system, rather we have a lot of pilots who are comfortable roaming around solo. Because of this, we get good intel, and when someone spots something we have a lot of pilots who can quickly reship and *get themselves to the fight independently*. That means our response is fast since the FC doesn't have to rally everyone together. It's the lack of a command and control system that leads to fast response times, and that leads to good intel. As an added bonus: those pilots that might want to have their hand held on the way to a fight learn if they don't reship and get to where they should be fast, they get left behind and left out of the killmail fun. As a consequence, they learn next time to have the right ships ready and to move when there is intel to be acted on. Finally, when you have a string of people coming to the fight, it's hard for the enemy to get good intel on your fleet, instead of the traditional blob that you can get a full count as they warp from gate to gate and wait. Otherwise, what do I see the caldari do wrong? The biggest thing is a lack of will to lose ships: An example, chased a caldari fleet around a bit, they decided to fight on a gate, but half the enemy fleet warped away right at the start of the fight since it would have been a close fight, instead it turned into slauighter. Those exact same pilots came back 2 minutes later when they came to help the gallente against a pirate fleet in the same system when their ships weren't really at risk. I see this time and again, intel has so many caldari pilots, but a number just decide to flee at the start of a pitched battle. You are mistaken if you don't think what you described is an effective command and control system, and i think you are also glossing over the fact that they do join fleet once they get to the battlespace.
The ability to Mass quickly from disparate points is one of the main principles of maneuver warfare.Being distributed throughout the pipes generating actionable intel, whether it be by design or not, has the same net effect.It is a doctrine, wether you realize it or not, inasmuch as you have many pilots engaging in the same behavior.they ape those who have been in militia longer than them, as the Caldari ape the behavior they see in the senior members on their side as well.
The whole point you make you yourself seem to miss : ": those pilots that might want to have their hand held on the way to a fight learn if they don't reship and get to where they should be fast, they get left behind and left out of the killmail fun. As a consequence, they learn next time to have the right ships ready and to move when there is intel to be acted on"
the point is there. It is established doctrine. Show up in whats needed fast, or be left out.What YOU are leaving out is that it is in fact necessary for SOMEONE to have told them what ships were gonna be needed and where to mass.It doesnt matter if it's someone different, the practice has already been established. It is operational doctrine.
All I'm saying is you don't see it for what it is.everything you guys do you can find laid out in the" Maneuver warfare handbook",right down to getting inside the enemies decision cycle.fancy terms for simple common sense things, except, sometimes people dont do them, which is why they had to come up with nomenclature for it in the first place.
There is a lot that goes into it, even if you think it's random.One of your other gallente pals mentioned " disorganized organization" or "organizewd chaos".You may be interested to know that is specifically USMC combat doctrine, that they seek to create that very situation, even at the riskof their own command and control being interrupted, as it is seen as an opportunity to create a fluid situation wherein a subordinate commander can create an opportunity in said chaos, then capitalize on it and exploit it.Kinda works best when there is a common basis in training ( or experience, in your case) as the troops have an idea how to react and seize the initiative when those opportunities arise. Were one side to sit back and wait for orders then any opportunity they had may well be lost by the time they got those orders.You don't see the order in what you are doing, or your militia, but I do, even if it is unintentional.It's just basically sound doctrine, as far as maneuver warfare goes, which is what we engage in, and call it "small gang warfare".
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Mutnin
Mutineers
2
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:53:00 -
[112] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:chatgris wrote:Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:It is clear from Gallente response time they have a properly functioning command and control system, whatever it is, or however simple it is.Bottom line, they are able to mass quickly in the appropriate ships.Caldari command and control is a mess, and response times are abysmal Disclaimer: EU Timezone completely independent from US TZ, I'm only talking about the latter. Second disclaimer: The last time I was really active was back in July, but when I log in things aren't too different lately. I'd say the gallente's US TZ power comes from the reverse: We don't really have a command and control system, rather we have a lot of pilots who are comfortable roaming around solo. Because of this, we get good intel, and when someone spots something we have a lot of pilots who can quickly reship and *get themselves to the fight independently*. That means our response is fast since the FC doesn't have to rally everyone together. It's the lack of a command and control system that leads to fast response times, and that leads to good intel. As an added bonus: those pilots that might want to have their hand held on the way to a fight learn if they don't reship and get to where they should be fast, they get left behind and left out of the killmail fun. As a consequence, they learn next time to have the right ships ready and to move when there is intel to be acted on. Finally, when you have a string of people coming to the fight, it's hard for the enemy to get good intel on your fleet, instead of the traditional blob that you can get a full count as they warp from gate to gate and wait. Otherwise, what do I see the caldari do wrong? The biggest thing is a lack of will to lose ships: An example, chased a caldari fleet around a bit, they decided to fight on a gate, but half the enemy fleet warped away right at the start of the fight since it would have been a close fight, instead it turned into slauighter. Those exact same pilots came back 2 minutes later when they came to help the gallente against a pirate fleet in the same system when their ships weren't really at risk. I see this time and again, intel has so many caldari pilots, but a number just decide to flee at the start of a pitched battle. You are mistaken if you don't think what you described is an effective command and control system, and i think you are also glossing over the fact that they do join fleet once they get to the battlespace. The ability to Mass quickly from disparate points is one of the main principles of maneuver warfare.Being distributed throughout the pipes generating actionable intel, whether it be by design or not, has the same net effect.It is a doctrine, wether you realize it or not, inasmuch as you have many pilots engaging in the same behavior.they ape those who have been in militia longer than them, as the Caldari ape the behavior they see in the senior members on their side as well. The whole point you make you yourself seem to miss : ": those pilots that might want to have their hand held on the way to a fight learn if they don't reship and get to where they should be fast, they get left behind and left out of the killmail fun. As a consequence, they learn next time to have the right ships ready and to move when there is intel to be acted on" the point is there. It is established doctrine. Show up in whats needed fast, or be left out.What YOU are leaving out is that it is in fact necessary for SOMEONE to have told them what ships were gonna be needed and where to mass.It doesnt matter if it's someone different, the practice has already been established. It is operational doctrine. All I'm saying is you don't see it for what it is.everything you guys do you can find laid out in the" Maneuver warfare handbook",right down to getting inside the enemies decision cycle.fancy terms for simple common sense things, except, sometimes people dont do them, which is why they had to come up with nomenclature for it in the first place. There is a lot that goes into it, even if you think it's random.One of your other gallente pals mentioned " disorganized organization" or "organizewd chaos".You may be interested to know that is specifically USMC combat doctrine, that they seek to create that very situation, even at the riskof their own command and control being interrupted, as it is seen as an opportunity to create a fluid situation wherein a subordinate commander can create an opportunity in said chaos, then capitalize on it and exploit it.Kinda works best when there is a common basis in training ( or experience, in your case) as the troops have an idea how to react and seize the initiative when those opportunities arise. Were one side to sit back and wait for orders then any opportunity they had may well be lost by the time they got those orders.You don't see the order in what you are doing, or your militia, but I do, even if it is unintentional.It's just basically sound doctrine, as far as maneuver warfare goes, which is what we engage in, and call it "small gang warfare".
My shorted thoughts on how this method works from experience.. Starts off in Gal intel channel with.. "He's got me tackled" HALP!!! 30 seconds later gall pilots are jumping in system from every gate trying to get 2% of a KM.
In case of Gal pilots being too far away to "HALP" it typically is.. tackled guy jumps out of gate or docks to safely when possible, then mysteriously undocks or jumps back in trying to look like helpless little pony blinking eyes as if he hasn't already stalled for enough time to ensure proper gank by 20 guys 1 system over, expecting you to then take bait and smacking if you have half a brain and don't accept a 1v1 offer. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.23 17:03:00 -
[113] - Quote
Hey, I tried. You can lead a horse to water....... |
Pax Thar
Teraa Matar
18
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Posted - 2011.12.23 17:07:00 -
[114] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:In before the manditory Damar response Sorry, I'm too busy laughing to minmatars who demand I return back to fight instead of catching bus for work (for Matar, Eve > paycheck obviously) when I log on briefly after breakfast and kill some stuff before logging off. Remember boys and girls, using ECM when fighting outnumbered is totally unfair and cowardly. So say the warriors of the republic
Ive engaged you several times with 2 and 3-1 odds against and been ECMed to all hell every time. Dont even try and go there. In fact i think every hookbill that flys has 2 Minnie jammers and every Caracal has 3... am I not correct? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.23 18:09:00 -
[115] - Quote
Pax Thar wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:In before the manditory Damar response Sorry, I'm too busy laughing to minmatars who demand I return back to fight instead of catching bus for work (for Matar, Eve > paycheck obviously) when I log on briefly after breakfast and kill some stuff before logging off. Remember boys and girls, using ECM when fighting outnumbered is totally unfair and cowardly. So say the warriors of the republic Ive engaged you several times with 2 and 3-1 odds against and been ECMed to all hell every time. Dont even try and go there. In fact i think every hookbill that flys has 2 Minnie jammers and every Caracal has 3... am I not correct?
He's just trying to emulate what he's used to in caldari plexes: his opponents unable to maintain lock on anything. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
92
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:43:00 -
[116] - Quote
chatgris wrote:He's just trying to emulate what he's used to in caldari plexes: his opponents unable to maintain lock on anything.
Must be annoying to you that I kill people, whether or not it's crappy Amarr NPC's on my side or quality Matar NPC's against me. Perhaps you should ask your corpies for those anger management guides they like to spam my evemail box with and see if they help. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:55:00 -
[117] - Quote
I thought I might go back to the beggining of the thread and see if maybe we might get back on track( futile, I Know).
DNLeviathan wrote:i know alot of people say its cause its the carebear faction and ive used thaty excue myself many times. but now my view has changed. they shoot blues. why would anyone fleet up when they may get ganked by their own miltia buddies? if itsnot that then they declare internal wardecs because a neutral alt was not made aware of and got ganked by blues. 3rd reason is they all demand that everyone plays the exact same way wether they like it or not. its a game, have fun, fly the way you want to fly and maybe JUST MAYBE more people would get involved.
So , after 6 pages, where do we stand?
OP sees internal divisions and strife. He says the masses wont accept a single leader and they wont accept advice.-I agree.
Pulgy thinks they are simply bored and left
Zeerover seems to concur, citing the lack of quality opponents and a "mutual respect" that developed that, I guess, it is implied it made them uninclined to fight against those who remained in Gal militia- My own opinion is that Wolfsbrigade leadership had their own agenda, their own war goals, they achieved them, and left.
Mutnin says no leadership, internal strife, and spies are the problem
Damars' opinion is.... I'm not sure what Damar's opinion is. He can speak for himself, although that doesn't seem to clarify his stance.Near as I can gather he seems to be saying the Gals offer boring fights,so people got bored and left, beyond that, he loathes Gallente and has no respect for them ,less than anything on earth, with the exception of Cal militia which he seems to loathe more and respect less.
Bad Messenger has a different perspectivet.He sees a lack of strong leadership, and furthermore, the ability to develop leaders as inhibited by several factors. He states a lack of goals as the primary reason. He says petty jealousy assures aspiring leaders are marginalized,and unclear goals assure no competent leader wants the job. He goes on to say their fleet fits are Ill adapted to the changes that could, and should, be anticipated during a battle, and firthermore, it takes an unreasonably long time to train a group of qualified pilots, and that with no clear goals, noone is inclined to undertake the task, as the question remains "what is the motivation, if we have no goals".To my mind Bad Messenger is closest to the mark.
Shaalira says Caldari dont generate enough actionable intel.I agree, and will add that when they do, they are unable to mass and engage in a timely manner.
Scrutt makes the point Cal milita doesn't task their fleet setups properly for the expected fight, and cites lack of pilot training, and lack of direction as a reason, and also makes some points as to part of this problem being the result of where Caldari Pilots are drawn from.He questions the commitment of the Caldari,says if they were serious they would do what was needed to bring a proper fleet.
I agree with his points, but will say a good commander makes a good assesment of his available means, makes adjustments, and then comes up with an achievable mission. This can be done with simply said group of scrub pilots alone, or, as an element of a larger fleet.A creative commander can and will find uses for the unwashed masses of poorly fitted caracals, drakes and merlins.I did.MCB did. We also had a hard core of highly qualified pilots,in corps, accountable to leadership,and, in conjunction with general militia were able to achieve our goals.
Amadeus cites poor FCs and monolithic fleet fits.
Stalking Mantis cites lack of doctrine, lack of discipline, and weak FCs who cannot manage their personell properly. Overall, he cites lack of commitment, and inability of part time warriors to run and win a war.Loved the movie clip by the way.Hits the nail on the head.
Mjolnir Gost takes the opposite view, saying we simply need more men, and anyone who says otherwise is butthurt from Diaper rash.I disagree.Perhaps, sir, had you not attempted to slap diapers on grown men they would not have developed such a rash.
I have spent many a day running around in a 25 man gangs lead by Andraz, or Gavin, or even myself, and torn up enemy fleet after fleet, all larger than ourselves.They had battleships. We didn't. they had logistics. We didn't.Kills vs losses were typically 2.5-1 Training, cohesion, doctrinee, mobility, intel, leadership, the ability to dictate the tempo of the engagement, the ability to dictate the terms of the engagement, the ability to mass quickly from disparate points, the ability to seize and maintain the initiative and the ability to get inside the enemies decision cycle were the keys to victory.
it is clear several points are salient
1) Unclear goals
2) Lack of leadersdhip
3) Inability to develop capable leadership
4) Lack of actionable intel
5) Inability to react swiftly enough to exploit actionable intel when it is recieved
6) Inability to properly fit fleets
7) lack of properly trained pilots
8) Lack of Commitment on the part of Caldari , resulting in all of the above.
Clausewitz said, all wars are won by destroying the enemies will to fight.It is clear the will to fight on the part of the state is at a low ebb.
For my part I have been inactive of late out of sheer disgust.
I have played for 5 years , and have hardly if ever posted before the last 2 months.I do not post because I wish to, but because I am compelled to.Despite myself, and my better judgement, I can no longer stay silent.
My will to fight remains.I'm not going anywhere.
Whatever damage is done by me speaking ( and I have always tried to maintain at least amicable relationships with all parties in militia), it can't be any worse than what we have now.
This issue of leadeship,This ulcerated festering pistule, needs to be lanced. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:27:00 -
[118] - Quote
I thought I might go back to the beggining of the thread and see if maybe we might get back on track( futile, I Know).
DNLeviathan wrote:i know alot of people say its cause its the carebear faction and ive used thaty excue myself many times. but now my view has changed. they shoot blues. why would anyone fleet up when they may get ganked by their own miltia buddies? if itsnot that then they declare internal wardecs because a neutral alt was not made aware of and got ganked by blues. 3rd reason is they all demand that everyone plays the exact same way wether they like it or not. its a game, have fun, fly the way you want to fly and maybe JUST MAYBE more people would get involved.
So , after 6 pages, where do we stand?
OP sees internal divisions and strife. He says the masses wont accept a single leader and they wont accept advice.-I agree.
Pulgy thinks they are simply bored and left
Zeerover seems to concur, citing the lack of quality opponents and a "mutual respect" that developed that, I guess, it is implied it made them uninclined to fight against those who remained in Gal militia- My own opinion is that Wolfsbrigade leadership had their own agenda, their own war goals, they achieved them, and left.
Mutnin says no leadership, internal strife, and spies are the problem
Damars' opinion is.... I'm not sure what Damar's opinion is. He can speak for himself, although that doesn't seem to clarify his stance.Near as I can gather he seems to be saying the Gals offer boring fights,so people got bored and left, beyond that, he loathes Gallente and has no respect for them ,less than anything on earth, with the exception of Cal militia which he seems to loathe more and respect less.
Bad Messenger has a different perspectivet.He sees a lack of strong leadership, ,and the ability to develop leaders as inhibited by several factors. He says a lack of goals as the primary reason. He says petty jealousy assures aspiring leaders are marginalized,and unclear goals assure no competent leader wants the job. He goes on to say their fleet fits are Ill adapted to the changes that could, and should, be anticipated during a battle, and furthermore, it takes an unreasonably long time to train a group of qualified pilots, and that with no clear goals, noone is inclined to undertake the task, as the question remains "what is the motivation, if we have no goals".To my mind Bad Messenger is closest to the mark.
Shaalira says Caldari dont generate enough actionable intel.I agree, and will add that when they do, they are unable to mass and engage in a timely manner.
Scrutt makes the point Cal milita doesn't task their fleet setups properly for the expected fight, and cites lack of pilot training, and lack of direction as a reason, and also makes some points as to part of this problem being the result of where Caldari Pilots are drawn from.He questions the commitment of the Caldari,says if they were serious they would do what was needed to bring a proper fleet.
I agree, but will say a good commander makes a good assesment of his available means, makes adjustments, and then comes up with an achievable mission. This can be done with simply said group of scrub pilots alone, or, as an element of a larger fleet.A creative commander can and will find uses for the unwashed masses of poorly fitted caracals, drakes and merlins.I did.MCB did. We also had a hard core of highly qualified pilots,in corps, accountable to leadership,and, in conjunction with general militia were able to achieve our goals.
Amadeus cites poor FCs and monolithic fleet fits.
Stalking Mantis cites lack of doctrine, lack of discipline, and weak FCs who cannot manage their personell properly. Overall, he cites lack of commitment, and inability of part time warriors to run and win a war.Loved the movie clip by the way.Hits the nail on the head.
Mjolnir Gost takes the opposite view, saying we simply need more men, and anyone who says otherwise is butthurt from Diaper rash.I disagree.Perhaps, sir, had you and yours not attempted to slap diapers on grown men they would not have developed said rash.
I have spent many a day running around in a 25 man gangs lead by Andraz, or Gavin, or even myself, and torn up enemy fleet after fleet, all larger than ourselves.They had battleships. We didn't. they had logistics. We didn't.Kills vs losses were typically 2.5-1 Training, cohesion, doctrinee, mobility, intel, leadership, the ability to dictate the tempo of the engagement, the ability to dictate the terms of the engagement, the ability to mass quickly from disparate points, the ability to seize and maintain the initiative and the ability to get inside the enemies decision cycle were the keys to victory.
it is clear several points are salient
1) Unclear goals
2) Lack of leadersdhip
3) Inability to develop capable leadership
4) Lack of actionable intel
5) Inability to react swiftly enough to exploit actionable intel when it is recieved
6) Inability to properly fit fleets
7) lack of properly trained pilots
8) Lack of Commitment on the part of Caldari , resulting in all of the above.
Clausewitz said, all wars are won by destroying the enemies will to fight.It is clear the will to fight on the part of the state is at a low ebb.
For my part I have been inactive of late out of sheer disgust.
I have played for 5 years , and have hardly if ever posted before the last 2 months.I do not post because I wish to, but because I am compelled to.Despite myself, and my better judgement, I can no longer stay silent.
My will to fight remains.I'm not going anywhere.
Whatever damage is done by me speaking ( and I have always tried to maintain at least amicable relationships with all parties in militia), it can't be any worse than what we have now.
This issue of leadeship,This ulcerated festering pistule, needs to be lanced. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
61
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:32:00 -
[119] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:In case of Gal pilots being too far away to "HALP" it typically is.. tackled guy jumps out of gate or docks to safely when possible, then mysteriously undocks or jumps back in trying to look like helpless little pony blinking eyes as if he hasn't already stalled for enough time to ensure proper gank by 20 guys 1 system over, expecting you to then take bait and smacking if you have half a brain and don't accept a 1v1 offer. FYI, QCATS and most of the major Gallente FW corps have a strict 1v1 policy. All mutually agreed-upon 1v1s must be honored.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
61
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Posted - 2011.12.24 07:36:00 -
[120] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:This issue of leadeship,This ulcerated festering pistule, needs to be lanced. Start with a small group of like minded players, and build from there. You don't need the entire militia on your side, you need those who are on your side to be on the same page.
Or, you need to get Andraz on your side. That guy is a maniac FC. |
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.24 10:16:00 -
[121] - Quote
I know i am not standart caldari leader ..... But it is same smack festival like everytime .... I am sorry to all caldari smackers .... Suck it up and adapt (i am. Rpeating that for 3rd time in my fw history .... And gods know it is for ******* loooong). And ignore messiahs ... Please just for this time (we had gavins, we had fgs and many others) ....
To caldari noobs ... Do not read all the walls .... Just ignore them and start thinking and flying and stop blindly following. I know it is hard and painful process but it helps if u r outgunned and outnumbered. Dont be ******* sitting ducks. |
EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.24 12:12:00 -
[122] - Quote
4 days in the militia and I think I can comment now.
Oh dear, bad is not the word!
First of all, everyone is in 2-5 man corps, including me! Mostly the feeling is there is not good corps out there.
Hidden I wouldn't follow you if you paid me, not cause your a bad pilot, not cause you fit crappy fittings, it cause you have and are open about no honour. You've always said 1v1's is an excuse to gank people, and thats something most of us vets would never fly under.
I had assume when I joined there would be some corps who were like what WOLFY was, "stuck up their own arse doing their own thing!" But there really isn't. 4 Horse Men of the Apoc look the best on the killboard, but they try to get militia fleets together, and help people. Which is really nice!
The 3rd top killer this month in Militia is State Pro!
Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what, so the guy has done the right thing, he has ****** off and left you guys on your own! Hows that working out for ya?
You have, what I would class as leet players, Celes Apoc, 4Horse, and a few others desperate to get fleets together. But that desperation invites anyone to join and they happy to take them.
I've seen fights where small skirmishes have seen the caldari sitting on a gate, gallente warp in, in what could have gone either way, only for some caldari to jump, some caldari to warp away and some to fight. So the fair fight becomes a slaughter!
Yet I never seen any fall outs, and I later seen the same people in what looked like the same fleet!
Let me tell you a story, about WOLFY and the Gallente.
We HATED the militia. We looked at most of them with anger! They were based in high sec, would get raped by pirates as soon as they entered low sec, encouraged anyone and anything to join their fleets the when they got owned.
We lived in low sec, we roamed around in correct ships, with pilots who trusted their FC. We knew if someone F'ed up we would crucify them! I died once, ran back to station to come out again, grabbed the first fighting ship I seen, died again only to see a STAB on it! The abuse I got, I never made that mistake of not checking fitting before undock!
We knew we were not jolly little snowflakes, and we LEARNED!
And corps asked to fly with us, and we told them to feck off and die!
Then corps changed, QCATS, SOTF knew that to stop the abuse we gave them they had to step up. They may not agree and say it was simple progresion. But a long while later they even moved into the system we lived in.
We even asked for their help, some of our pilots started flying with them, and reports came back these guys were good. They formed a pack and started getting more kills than us! They controlled the pipes, so for us to get more kills we had to Tama and then the draw of beomcing pirates was just much! And thats where the story turned blinky red!
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What I see in the Caldari is EVERYONE is a snowflake! No one can criticize without being called ASS. Damar tells them straight, without him they are nothing, yet he is abused so he fecks off, and he was right, without him they are nothing.
The "good" corps are desperate for fleet members and take anyone, only for them all to die. Thus the good pilots get fecked off and wither don't join or just become inactive.
So I say this to the corps in the Caldari Militia.
"Say you are leet, don't train the noobs by taking them out! Let them catch up to you! Become arses, tell people what they are doing wrong, its better to have 3-5 guys who know what they are doing rather than 10 who don't"
"1 Corp to take the lead, don't say you are, just do! Get enough members of your own corp and roam, and do stuff, let the other corps come up to that level rather than you come down to theirs.. Build a corp of brothers! Stop flying with the 3-5 man corps, tell them join you or tell them to do their own thing. I am a corp of 3. As soon as I see a corp doing it right you will have my sword and my application, but they don't exist just now. Final thing timezone, if you are a 20 man corp, you can only operate in one timezone! Having 20 members with 5 on EU prime, 5 on US prime, and 10 come an go, you'll have a long death!".
Now these are my humble thoughts. I aim to help, but if you don't see it that way, then tell me where I'm wrong!
Caldari need leaders... A Leader not to follow but to aspire to! |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade
6
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Posted - 2011.12.24 13:21:00 -
[123] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Wise words.
Caldari need leaders... A Leader not to follow but to aspire to!
Hear hear! |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.24 13:39:00 -
[124] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:4 days in the militia and I think I can comment now. Oh dear, bad is not the word! First of all, everyone is in 2-5 man corps, including me! Mostly the feeling is there is not good corps out there. Hidden I wouldn't follow you if you paid me, not cause your a bad pilot, not cause you fit crappy fittings, it cause you have and are open about no honour. You've always said 1v1's is an excuse to gank people, and thats something most of us vets would never fly under. I had assume when I joined there would be some corps who were like what WOLFY was, "stuck up their own arse doing their own thing!" But there really isn't. 4 Horse Men of the Apoc look the best on the killboard, but they try to get militia fleets together, and help people. Which is really nice! The 3rd top killer this month in Militia is State Pro! Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what, so the guy has done the right thing, he has ****** off and left you guys on your own! Hows that working out for ya? You have, what I would class as leet players, Celes Apoc, 4Horse, and a few others desperate to get fleets together. But that desperation invites anyone to join and they happy to take them. I've seen fights where small skirmishes have seen the caldari sitting on a gate, gallente warp in, in what could have gone either way, only for some caldari to jump, some caldari to warp away and some to fight. So the fair fight becomes a slaughter! Yet I never seen any fall outs, and I later seen the same people in what looked like the same fleet! Let me tell you a story, about WOLFY and the Gallente. We HATED the militia. We looked at most of them with anger! They were based in high sec, would get raped by pirates as soon as they entered low sec, encouraged anyone and anything to join their fleets the when they got owned. We lived in low sec, we roamed around in correct ships, with pilots who trusted their FC. We knew if someone F'ed up we would crucify them! I died once, ran back to station to come out again, grabbed the first fighting ship I seen, died again only to see a STAB on it! The abuse I got, I never made that mistake of not checking fitting before undock! We knew we were not jolly little snowflakes, and we LEARNED! And corps asked to fly with us, and we told them to feck off and die! Then corps changed, QCATS, SOTF knew that to stop the abuse we gave them they had to step up. They may not agree and say it was simple progresion. But a long while later they even moved into the system we lived in. We even asked for their help, some of our pilots started flying with them, and reports came back these guys were good. They formed a pack and started getting more kills than us! They controlled the pipes, so for us to get more kills we had to Tama and then the draw of beomcing pirates was just much! And thats where the story turned blinky red! . What I see in the Caldari is EVERYONE is a snowflake! No one can criticize without being called ASS. Damar tells them straight, without him they are nothing, yet he is abused so he fecks off, and he was right, without him they are nothing. The "good" corps are desperate for fleet members and take anyone, only for them all to die. Thus the good pilots get fecked off and wither don't join or just become inactive. So I say this to the corps in the Caldari Militia. "Say you are leet, don't train the noobs by taking them out! Let them catch up to you! Become arses, tell people what they are doing wrong, its better to have 3-5 guys who know what they are doing rather than 10 who don't" "1 Corp to take the lead, don't say you are, just do! Get enough members of your own corp and roam, and do stuff, let the other corps come up to that level rather than you come down to theirs.. Build a corp of brothers! Stop flying with the 3-5 man corps, tell them join you or tell them to do their own thing. I am a corp of 3. As soon as I see a corp doing it right you will have my sword and my application, but they don't exist just now. Final thing timezone, if you are a 20 man corp, you can only operate in one timezone! Having 20 members with 5 on EU prime, 5 on US prime, and 10 come an go, you'll have a long death!". Now these are my humble thoughts. I aim to help, but if you don't see it that way, then tell me where I'm wrong! Caldari need leaders... A Leader not to follow but to aspire to! never ever asked anyone to follow me .... i asked people to join me ... ad that 1v1 ignore last aplied 4 months ago.. but from any gal it sounds very hypocritic. in past months i usually kill outnumbeted. I am at least honest in my intentions .... ad corp ... well i am doing it again as i did with old ibs. omg it is about smackagedon again .... i feel teenage again ... need to look on some milf **** soon. :........omg **** is censored word .. is this thing run by some stupid yank? |
EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.24 13:44:00 -
[125] - Quote
Okay I won't join you either.. As your not very good!
Your a divisive figure, as am I. It needs a FG or a new corp to join ! |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.24 14:02:00 -
[126] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:Okay I won't join you either.. As your not very good!
Your a divisive figure, as am I. It needs a FG or a new corp to join ! lol ... it needs people to stop shiting their pants |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.24 14:39:00 -
[127] - Quote
I was shuffling through some paperwork and found a new requirement for Caldari Militia members. If you're a 'snowflake' then you immediately need to go on the 'Fight with and lose 20 frigs plan!' Buy and fit 20 T1 frigs and write them off as goners! Then go out and FIGHT!!!! Win, lose, or pod, you'll be a better PVPer!
*Note* I only say this cause I'm 6 ships deep into the plan and have gotten better already.
GOGOGOGOGO! |
Sara XIII
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
26
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Posted - 2011.12.24 16:31:00 -
[128] - Quote
Because it's filled with spies, apathetic d-bags, and people who encourage mission running for the LPs. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.25 03:43:00 -
[129] - Quote
The numerous statements about ignoring and/or not helping 'noobs' because they are in the NPC corp and/or potential spies are wrong, IMHO.
Its elitest, paranoid, and self-defeating. Many noobs have experience in eve or other mmos and just need a helping hand. Unlike nullsec T1 cruisers and frigs are useful in FW. People will fly failfits and die in horrid ways - so what. Its the only way to learn. Give em a chance. Anyway, spies cant do anything bad to you in FW but get you in a fight - which if you have someone in fleet that can use the DScan - is only a temporary intel disadvantage. And that is only if there actually is a real spai 'problem' - and I dont think there is.
IMHO - the problem with FW combatant numbers is not the lack of willing people to fight. It is the lack of willing people to teach them to fight properly. Its not the noobs, its the elitist vets (not all vets are this way, but as this thread illustrates, some are). Spend some time in the general NPC militia channel and look for people who ask questions or show an interest in fighting. Get them in fleets, give them a chance.
And from my 'noob' view, thank god for folks like 4Horse and others who still bring the fights every day - outnumbered or outshipped, at least they try. Folks like that who keep soldiering on will reap the benefits when the worm turns. o7
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
70
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Posted - 2011.12.25 04:01:00 -
[130] - Quote
When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and we're super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.
Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said
TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.
Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.
Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know. |
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.12.25 04:43:00 -
[131] - Quote
sYnc Vir wrote:When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.
Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said
TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.
Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.
Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know.
I don't think I saw anyone slagging Wolfsbrigade, and they certainly know how to run a fleet.It's also obvious the 4 horsemen are the only ones willing to fight right now and if not for them militia would be doing nothing at all. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.25 06:25:00 -
[132] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.
Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said
TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.
Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.
Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know. I don't think I saw anyone slagging Wolfsbrigade, and they certainly know how to run a fleet.It's also obvious the 4 horsemen are the only ones willing to fight right now and if not for them militia would be doing nothing at all. Wrong ... Actually enaluri guys are kinda stuck in the hole .... |
EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.25 10:57:00 -
[133] - Quote
sYnc Vir wrote:When W-BR was in Caldari, people complained that we "demanded this ship, or that ship" Fit "this way or that way" or we wouldn't left them into fleet. Yet we would mostly win fights. People would continue to ***** about us, and were super pleased when we ****** off. We left when Caldari was on top, less then a year later, they are in the shitter.
Our leadership all must be super nice, because Im not sure a single one has come into the thread and said
TOLD YOU ******* SO, DUMBASSES.
Hell I would have, cause we ******* told you so.
Fighting out numbered is easy enough as long as your fleet isn't made up of any piece of crap the pilot was happy to lose. Then again, W-BR are just a bunch of rule following, Elitest that never run Militia fleets, and think they are better then everyone else in FW. So what the hell do we know.
Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!
Come back, and have my and a few other 100M SP players ships! |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.25 17:43:00 -
[134] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:Wrong ... Actually enaluri guys are kinda stuck in the hole ....
Yeah... But at least there's the opportunity for small/med plex fights!!! |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
62
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Posted - 2011.12.25 17:55:00 -
[135] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!
Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it.
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EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.26 13:28:00 -
[136] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!
Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it.
But you came up to our standard. You moved out of Villore, you moved into Low Sec, you and a few other corps got your acts together. You are much better for it. But you got to admit you have moved on a LOT since Villore, and if honest you have to say you had to. And I know QCats and SoTF are much better corps than you were. And you did it by doing all the things I suggest, stop flying with NPC players, have smaller groups of players who trust each other and move forward, rather than always work with the lowest denominator.
If in all honest I thought QCats would be better than SoTF, but even though both are now 100+ members SoTF have done other things and have gain some respect outwith FW.
But I have much love for both! But until Caldari can pick up this challenge 2 100 man corps in FW is gonna be very boring! |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
62
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Posted - 2011.12.26 18:41:00 -
[137] - Quote
LOL at "respect is earned outside FW" comments. Nice try. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
93
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Posted - 2011.12.26 19:21:00 -
[138] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Damar is mad we took back Dal, clearly.
As said in earlier message, holidays are over. So we re-took it.
You can now come and take it back (I have no doubt you will if you keep pushing 18h/day like last time). NAERY will of course harvest as many killmails as possible over this.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
49
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Posted - 2011.12.27 04:52:00 -
[139] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:X Gallentius wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!
Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it. But you came up to our standard. You moved out of Villore, you moved into Low Sec, you and a few other corps got your acts together. You are much better for it. But you got to admit you have moved on a LOT since Villore, and if honest you have to say you had to. And I know QCats and SoTF are much better corps than you were. And you did it by doing all the things I suggest, stop flying with NPC players, have smaller groups of players who trust each other and move forward, rather than always work with the lowest denominator. If in all honest I thought QCats would be better than SoTF, but even though both are now 100+ members SoTF have done other things and have gain some respect outwith FW. But I have much love for both! But until Caldari can pick up this challenge 2 100 man corps in FW is gonna be very boring!
When draketrain was in militia it was boring, those 100+ corporations did not bring any fights, if they did, they hugged station with carriers without having any possibility kill anything, or something similar.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
381
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Posted - 2011.12.27 09:15:00 -
[140] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what
You know he basically treats his own militia the way he treats the Gallente, and the only reason he's actually treating you with dignity and respect is because he wants a good PvPer in the Caldari militia to make himself feel better?
As soon as you stop being novel and useful he'll start treating you exactly the same way he treats everyone else. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.27 10:03:00 -
[141] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:X Gallentius wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:Welcome to the leet club. You just ignore the haters.. and win the fights! and LAUGH at the rest of the militia UNTIL THEY COME UP TO YOUR STANDARD!
Fortunately the majority of the Gallente FW corps don't share your opinion, and now today we're stronger for it. But you came up to our standard. You moved out of Villore, you moved into Low Sec, you and a few other corps got your acts together. You are much better for it. But you got to admit you have moved on a LOT since Villore, and if honest you have to say you had to. And I know QCats and SoTF are much better corps than you were. And you did it by doing all the things I suggest, stop flying with NPC players, have smaller groups of players who trust each other and move forward, rather than always work with the lowest denominator. If in all honest I thought QCats would be better than SoTF, but even though both are now 100+ members SoTF have done other things and have gain some respect outwith FW. But I have much love for both! But until Caldari can pick up this challenge 2 100 man corps in FW is gonna be very boring! When draketrain was in militia it was boring, those 100+ corporations did not bring any fights, if they did, they hugged station with carriers without having any possibility kill anything, or something similar. On Monday 26th I found it better to hug their missions and they were comming ..... :)
I must say I like this moment of fail .... can we fail even more so I can feell better? IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.27 10:16:00 -
[142] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what You know he basically treats his own militia the way he treats the Gallente, and the only reason he's actually treating you with dignity and respect is because he wants a good PvPer in the Caldari militia to make himself feel better? As soon as you stop being novel and useful he'll start treating you exactly the same way he treats everyone else.
little @sshole licking ... Damar is tough and fair guys ... sometimes he is d1ckstar and rage drama mama but who is not?
He just wants to have things organized up to his vision (as most of us wants) which most of the egos of Caldari cannot suck in and out. Point is he can kill stuff solo or small group (which i think is one of the prerequisite to gain some respect) ....
Well I am more chaos (out of the box, fun) guy so I cannot have him in corp and I cannot be in his corp. But still that crap what I read time to time here is well ..... universe size ********.
we all can complain about our gaming/leading styles ... but why not hug ourselves in scram range and dance without this bullshit ;)
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
4
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Posted - 2011.12.27 14:33:00 -
[143] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote: Damar is the best pilot in Caldari and he's moved down to Amarr space cause of the crap he gets in Militia - People abuse him for I'm not sure what, so the guy has done the right thing, he has ****** off and left you guys on your own! Hows that working out for ya?
Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good. |
EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.27 16:16:00 -
[144] - Quote
I love forums! Best PvP in the gallaxy!
I have always been consistent with my praise. Players like Val, Loren and Damar play eve they want and they play it. Do I wish Damar was a nicer guy who gave hugs for free, SURE! but I love his killboard.
Nice to see an FW thread like the old days... |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
75
|
Posted - 2011.12.27 21:30:00 -
[145] - Quote
Draco Rosso wrote:Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good.
Damars attitude is the least of the militias worries. I think the attitude that people carry when they don't like someone and refuse to work together under any circumstance and would just rather make personal attacks on the forums hurts the militia more than a mild ass chewing if you screw up (usually meaning death for some/the rest of the fleet) in one of damars gangs. Yes he could be nicer when going about letting people know that they're did something ******** and made a mistake, but I think everyone in the militia should be looking to fix their own attitudes first.
Also, highlighted a part of your post, if you think thats the problem, I believe you need to think long and hard about what's actually plaguing the militia. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
50
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Posted - 2011.12.27 22:04:00 -
[146] - Quote
It seems that some people have forgotten who they are and what they have done.
Damar never forgets, he is man of principle, he can be complicated sometimes but he is loyal Caldari and that is what matters in the end.
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Stalking Mantis
Wolfsbrigade
110
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Posted - 2011.12.28 01:47:00 -
[147] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Draco Rosso wrote:Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good. Damars attitude is the least of the militias worries. I think the attitude that people carry when they don't like someone and refuse to work together under any circumstance and would just rather make personal attacks on the forums hurts the militia more than a mild ass chewing if you screw up (usually meaning death for some/the rest of the fleet) in one of damars gangs. Yes he could be nicer when going about letting people know that they're did something ******** and made a mistake, but I think everyone in the militia should be looking to fix their own attitudes first. Also, highlighted a part of your post, if you think thats the problem, I believe you need to think long and hard about what's actually plaguing the militia.
It is people like him. People like Dracco that are the negative poisen infesting Caldari FW. You see Dracco has been around when I first joined FW so by default you would think he would be a senior Caldari leader by now. What these types do in these forums is ten times worse in faction war chats. They sit there doing absoloutly NOTHING positive for their faction but are more than happy to sit there and shoot down anyone else doing anything at all resembling an organized move.
FW chat is full of them. Bittervets. They sit there and badmouth upcomming FC's. Taunt and bad mouth the newer pilots and come and spew the same stuff in the forums if they visit the forums even.
Nothing personal Dracco, but for someone that has been around Caldari FW so long (longer than me even) I find you sitting there bad mouthing Damar as if he is the whole reason Caldari are bad is just weak. Step your game up instead of pointing the finger.
As far as flying with Damar sure I got chewed out by him more than once in a fight where it did not go well. Do I take it personally? No. I do not fly with him or anyone so I will hear reasurring and happy hug time words I fly with them because I want to PvP. That is the issue though with some pilots. If the FC says No your not a special snowflake and we are not taking your Drake in a Armor/Gaurdian gang they get all emotional and leave fleet to end up badmouthing the FC/Corp that told him to hit the road for weeks or months at the time.
P.S. If someone tells you to STFU in fleet grow a pair and take it like a man, you were probably told to STFU because something more important than how you fit your hurricane came up. Something that might actually save the fleet your flying in. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
93
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Posted - 2011.12.28 06:00:00 -
[148] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Also, highlighted a part of your post, if you think thats the problem, I believe you need to think long and hard about what's actually plaguing the militia.
Draco Rosso's kills in December: 19 Damar Rocarion's kills in December: 242
And I dont do anything for the militia? |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.28 06:25:00 -
[149] - Quote
This is a serious question - Im not trolling.
Is there really that much bad-mouthing and ****-talking in Cal-Mil channels?
Its not all roses and reach-arounds in Gal-Mil, but its not an unpleasant place to be. I can say we go days if not weeks between any major outbursts - at least in my timezone.
I certainly dont claim to know what is wrong with caldari (if anything) but from reading this thread, the differences are pretty apparant... We Frogs do kinda controlled chaos. FC (and it can be FC by committe) is usually whoever spotted the sqid first and/or the dude who decides to start talking first. Its often a different person or persons for every engagement. Our 'not a fleet' fleet consists of 6-15 -ish people off doing whatever they want. Someone will spot a squid, and you will have 11 hungry voices of KM whores (myself included) asking where to go and what to bring. They arent told to go, or even asked to go. People just go on their own. Real fleets happen too, but they are far rarer and still have an air of informality about them...
Perhaps it not that Squids need more 'discipline' - perhaps its that they need a bit less. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
75
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Posted - 2011.12.28 07:00:00 -
[150] - Quote
Didn't intend to derail this into a 'bash dracco' thread (tbh its not, nobody get butthurt, read mantis's post about manning up again if need be) but the point is a lot of people (myself included) have carried pretty bad attitudes at one point or another. For instance, just today some new guy is like "o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow . Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good. |
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
7
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:44:00 -
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Super Chair wrote: "o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow . Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good. IIRC i brought those new bloods into HP- just for us to be told we were a bunch of spies, ignored, rejected from fleets (unless i was actually there to vouch them in) while im personally told to drop this guy from corp or that guy from corp just because they were new to the game or new to fw. |
EVIL SYNNs
The Black Vultures
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:01:00 -
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Why do people even have militia channel open and blink on?
Again its what you want to do with FW, but you just can not be good players while training others to become good players.
The reason alliances don't let just anyone in is because if you are asking in public "how do I fit this" there are millions of choices and opinions and it starts a failcascade in alliance chat. If you want to know how to fit a join a corp and ask them, as they have the power to say "We fit this way!".
If you don't want to join a corp or you WANT to be in the NPC corp then you have passed no API checks, no one has checked your killboard, no one really wants you... So you are likely a spy, FW farming or just not very good.
I know I would likely be in a team of one about this, but when your top 3rd killer of the month is the NPC either the player corps SUCK or there don't want people.
If people have "encouraged" you to join the militia NPC rather than a corp, then that just does not help! CEO's who charge tax? WHY? have a 0% tax rate and build a corp, an army, a BAND OF BROTHERS!
Hopefully once the holidays are over things will heat up, its a bit quiet in game, and I can actually do something rather than hit forums!
and I type too quicly for these silly arse forums! |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
52
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:02:00 -
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DNLeviathan wrote:Super Chair wrote: "o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow . Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good. IIRC i brought those new bloods into HP- just for us to be told we were a bunch of spies, ignored, rejected from fleets (unless i was actually there to vouch them in) while im personally told to drop this guy from corp or that guy from corp just because they were new to the game or new to fw.
DNLeviathan wrote:
its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.
Caldari needs someone who is strong leader |
Trovarion
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:25:00 -
[154] - Quote
don't know if this will contribute anything, but when SP-DR reformed 2 years ago by innitiative of Vim and me and joined FW for targets and glory we were about 3-5 active people with the support of a few old friends who didn't join corp, but shared comms and advice - we took in a lot of new people, partly directly from the ranks of militia channel.
sure it was rough times and slow at first, but our prime directive has always been to provide a guiding hand to new players and we knew it would pay off in the long run. We didn't do this by treating them as special snowflakes, but we didn't yell at them either. sometimes we told them that they have to trust us in bringing this or that ship and they will realise after the engagement as to why, etc. It didn't work out for all who joined us, but most stayed and learned and came to enjoy the game.
anyway...the core group that developed from that ~50 chars, ofc including alts, did well in the days when there were still enough caldari around to have somewhat large engagements and people suddenly flocked to us...
Now I don't consider myself a charismatic leader (that would be Vim), but we managed to build something within the framework of FW and I think it is possible in any of the factions really. just takes a bit of time and pain-resistance. something not all have ofc ;D |
Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:30:00 -
[155] - Quote
Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead? |
Trovarion
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:30:00 -
[156] - Quote
Chav Queen wrote:Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead?
why not giving (serious...not the joke that it is now...) lp for kills, while we're at it? |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
52
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:41:00 -
[157] - Quote
Trovarion wrote:Chav Queen wrote:Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead? why not giving (serious...not the joke that it is now...) lp for kills, while we're at it?
There is simple reason, EVE pvp is way to lose stuff not produce good income.
If you pvp you should lose money (total sum after fight, some people might earn from by looting enemy)
If you need money you have to grind (missions example)
FW missions were boosted for FW players because it is not vice to do normal lvl4 missions in highsec, you can try but Loren may come to help you on those , FW missions are way to fund FW career.
If you make pvp where all will earn no matter if they lost ship or killed one, it will break whole game.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
381
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Posted - 2011.12.28 13:22:00 -
[158] - Quote
Draco Rosso wrote:Great! Now if the little $##@ can leave Caldari Militia chat everything will be fine. The poison that guy spews on public channels is doing more harm then good.
You're a brave man. Horsemen are pretty much the only decent corporation in CalMil these days, and you're obviously not popular. I feel for you. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
25
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:39:00 -
[159] - Quote
Die thread DIE! Why won't it die Timmy WHY WON'T IT DIE!?!? |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters
9
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:22:00 -
[160] - Quote
Oh my...
*heads back to the MMO with light sabers and huge boobs Is sexy time? |
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.28 17:43:00 -
[161] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote:Oh my...
*heads back to the MMO with light sabers and huge boobs
Well hell. I didn't know about the big boobs!!! Time to play TOR!
On topic-ish, wow. Imagine how rich Damar would be if LP was handed out for plexing. Hell, I'd have a small fortune myself. Also, would that actually make for more PVP or just change the current lvl 4 missioners to non-PVP plexers speed tanking to cap a plex and GTFOing if an enemy comes in? Hell, I dunno if I would PVP plex anymore if I knew I could do it in some backwater system.
If you gave LP in accordance to the size of plex, I would imagine that a lvl 4 FW mission would equate to an unrestricted large in my opinion. It would keep those non-PVPers around a bit longer though....... and give us a chance to catch em on a gate or something if we're set up for it..... Hmmmm. |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
6
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Posted - 2011.12.28 17:45:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:It is people like him. People like Dracco that are the negative poisen infesting Caldari FW. You see Dracco has been around when I first joined FW so by default you would think he would be a senior Caldari leader by now. What these types do in these forums is ten times worse in faction war chats. Amazing! First of if youGÇÖre going to bash me at least spell my name right. IGÇÖm not going to take your misguided attempt at slander personally because it doesnGÇÖt describe me. Especially since anyone could read my older post and see that I donGÇÖt carry a negative opinion of Caldari Militia. IGÇÖm a proud member of Caldari Milita always have and always will. I never liked tooting my own horn in public, but since I have been called out IGÇÖm have to oblige for my space honor. I have quietly gone about my business in my time with Caldari Militia. I stepped up and lead PVP fleets when no one else would do it. Sure, IGÇÖm not the most dynamic and cool FC in the world, but I earned my battle scars thought grit and determination. From time to time I have been known to catch the war targets off guard like using a wormhole to warp in fleet on top of the war targets on the Kedama gate in Tama. I led plex fleets during USTZ when the 22nd and allies were in the Verge Vender/Placid Campaign. I even worked with Damar (gasp) during the first takeover of Heydieles. The only way we made progress was because Damar disappeared for a few hours. It was basically Kruger81, few wingman and myself fighting through the night. To the PERVS credit they did come in finished the job when I had to go to work. IGÇÖm sure chatgris remembers the epic marathon of battles that was. I supported upcoming and established Fleet Commanders with scouting services. I helped set up unified coms before I took a break from the game. Even late last week I was helping Gost and the EU timezone guys counter attack in Enaluri. We even managed to put the system in vulnerable state after a week of fighting. We couldnGÇÖt hold the system because of lack of numbers, but it was good effort none the less. To have people who hardly know me or fly with me incorrectly bash me is bewildering to say the least. I left the game in protest in January 2011 because I didnGÇÖt like CCP lack of direction in Faction Warfare. I only come back to the game because of plexes changes and promise of more changes in 2012.
Do I have a problem with Damar style of play. Damn straight I do. I donGÇÖt care how good you are if you treat others players badly youGÇÖre not worth my time. I understand when people mess they need guidance and if they refuse your guidance thatGÇÖs fine they will either learn or leave FW. Nature will take its course. If you enjoy having someone belittle you and treat you like garbage then thatGÇÖs your problem seek help. I stand my previous comments about Damar. I been consistently critical of Damar over years, this isnGÇÖt news. Damar instead of spewing poison on public channels about how you were victimized by the Caldari Militia in the past. Why donGÇÖt you step up? You keep talking about how loyal you are to state but youGÇÖre fighting for the amarr. Too me it looks like you were driven away by your lack of current results in Caldari FW faction warfare space. In fact all those that process that you care about Caldari FW the fight is in Enaluri, where are you?
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
7
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:54:00 -
[163] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:Super Chair wrote: "o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow . Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good. IIRC i brought those new bloods into HP- just for us to be told we were a bunch of spies, ignored, rejected from fleets (unless i was actually there to vouch them in) while im personally told to drop this guy from corp or that guy from corp just because they were new to the game or new to fw. DNLeviathan wrote:
its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.
Caldari needs someone who is strong leader with the wording and the winking, want me to come back and lead you all to glory? |
Ralnik
Alpha Squad
8
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:58:00 -
[164] - Quote
Chav Queen wrote:Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead?
Prior to FW missions most players flew pretty crappy stuff, it's one of the reasons everyone laughed at FW gangs because for the most part they were pretty incompetent in ship types do to the contentious loss of ISK by most players. Added to this it meant the average player would need to leave low sec to go grind ISK then come back later. (kinda silly to think a person fighting for a war effort for a state wouldn't get paid and had to keep a job else where)
FW missions added the much needed paycheck to recoup the losses and allows players to always stay near the main battlefield if they choose. It also allowed the average players to fly more expensive ships with a means to replace them.
Farmers on the other hand pretty much ruin the idea behind the concept, but then again maybe the prices are down enough to keep the FoTM farmer away as it's now more profitable to do incursions. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
53
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:06:00 -
[165] - Quote
Draco Rosso wrote: lot of text
I can understand why Damar is in amarr front fightning. It has no use to take systems in Caldari/gallente area because there is no one to shoot bunkers, i think Damar has stated that a couple times.
Also Damar is not a guy who could lead whole militia to Victory, Damar likes small fleets with competent people. Damar is guy who you can contact to get help on plexing front, if you promise to shoot bunkers and you show that you can stand behind your words, i am sure Damar will come back to Caldari/Gallente area and he will take all systems if needed.
Why Damar is "whining" in militia is that most of the militia is not interest to do such long term achievement that is needed for occupancy war.
Damar is not really FC Caldari militia needs, but Damar has skills to be plexing coordinator, he can figure out situation in several systems and coordinate plexing effort on scale of whole FW area. He also know plex fighting tactics so if Damar ask pvp help for some plex i think he has good vision how fight can be win even with smaller numbers.
All support Damar needs is competent pvp people who are willing to see effort on plexing front where is no other rewards than possible pvp and some serious force who can take out bunkers (usually that has been random militia fleet).
It is not about what one man does, it is about what whole militia does, at least majority of it. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:07:00 -
[166] - Quote
Draco Rosso wrote:To me it looks like you were driven away by your lack of current results in Caldari FW faction warfare space. In fact all those that process that you care about Caldari FW the fight is in Enaluri, where are you?
So after lots of time of people saying "We dont want to fight in plexes, go f..k yourself carebear PVE n00b", they would now expect me to return? To an enviroment where back-up is available after filling proper form, posting three copies of it to right government official and after people have ventured into Jita to buy proper ships because having more than 1 pvp ship ready at any time is frowned upon?
No thank you. I quite like it in my home-in-exile since I have people here who actually want to pvp, are on comms, can reship to proper sized ships in the two minutes (which is maximum it should take no matter how inexperienced you are) and understand how to fight.
If I am such a divisive figure, then you should be happy. You can now organise rest of the people into a proper fighting force without my venemous influence. Or perhaps some of the Caldari should take up my offer and come join my gangs here. They might even learn something.
Edit: And yes, there is not enough firepower in Caldari militia to shoot a bunker down. This is not badmouthing or anything. It's pure mathematical fact. Unless you can get mission whores to bring their bombers to bunker, which they wont. If you cannot get enough numbers for your "home system", then how can you expect to get it in any other system? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:09:00 -
[167] - Quote
Ralnik wrote:Chav Queen wrote:Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead? Farmers on the other hand pretty much ruin the idea behind the concept, but then again maybe the prices are down enough to keep the FoTM farmer away as it's now more profitable to do incursions.
IMO, this is exactly why removing FW missions and giving LP for plexes is a good idea. The problem with missions is that there is no way to fail the farmers mission short of camping the mission for 12 hours (with the exception of one mission).
If plexes were the only way to gain LP, when an opposing militia member came and chased out the farmer, the farmer wouldn't be able to just wait for the militia member to get bored since the militia member would have incentive to stay and finish the plex getting LP in the process.
Decisions would need to be made in terms of how much LP to pay esp when there are multiple people in the mission, but it would make the farmers life more difficult, and focus more attention on plexes instead of missions. It would allow pvpers to undue farmers work if they only used pve fits.
Yes, the farmer could still find a backwater system: However, people who love to chase these farmers around (like X G) would have a much easier time doing it, since the farmer would have to sit in the plex for a certain amount of time, and the farmer would run the risk of getting his work undone by an opposing militia member if he had to run from a pvp engagement. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
53
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:19:00 -
[168] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Ralnik wrote:Chav Queen wrote:Why even have FW missions? I dont see what part of the war they play. Why not scrap the missions and award LP for capturing and defending plexes instead? Farmers on the other hand pretty much ruin the idea behind the concept, but then again maybe the prices are down enough to keep the FoTM farmer away as it's now more profitable to do incursions. IMO, this is exactly why removing FW missions and giving LP for plexes is a good idea. The problem with missions is that there is no way to fail the farmers mission short of camping the mission for 12 hours (with the exception of one mission). If plexes were the only way to gain LP, when an opposing militia member came and chased out the farmer, the farmer wouldn't be able to just wait for the militia member to get bored since the militia member would have incentive to stay and finish the plex getting LP in the process. Decisions would need to be made in terms of how much LP to pay esp when there are multiple people in the mission, but it would make the farmers life more difficult, and focus more attention on plexes instead of missions. It would allow pvpers to undue farmers work if they only used pve fits. Yes, the farmer could still find a backwater system: However, people who love to chase these farmers around (like X G) would have a much easier time doing it, since the farmer would have to sit in the plex for a certain amount of time, and the farmer would run the risk of getting his work undone by an opposing militia member if he had to run from a pvp engagement.
Sounds like a plan, but now think how much PERVS would have earned on their journey to take all systems. And how much would have gallente made profit out of it?
Fact is that system you propose does not work, it will give more isk for those who really do not need it and less isk for those who are already losing.
I am sure that if you promise lot of isk from plexing someone will gather a competent people to farm all isk out of those and leave others to have left overs.
All you can do about it is to fund more those farmers by giving t2 loot from your ship. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:32:00 -
[169] - Quote
Hrett wrote:This is a serious question - Im not trolling.
Is there really that much bad-mouthing and ****-talking in Cal-Mil channels?
Its not all roses and reach-arounds in Gal-Mil, but its not an unpleasant place to be. I can say we go days if not weeks between any major outbursts - at least in my timezone.
I certainly dont claim to know what is wrong with caldari (if anything) but from reading this thread, the differences are pretty apparant... We Frogs do kinda controlled chaos. FC (and it can be FC by committe) is usually whoever spotted the sqid first and/or the dude who decides to start talking first. Its often a different person or persons for every engagement. Our 'not a fleet' fleet consists of 6-15 -ish people off doing whatever they want. Someone will spot a squid, and you will have 11 hungry voices of KM whores (myself included) asking where to go and what to bring. They arent told to go, or even asked to go. People just go on their own. Real fleets happen too, but they are far rarer and still have an air of informality about them...
Perhaps it not that Squids need more 'discipline' - perhaps its that they need a bit less.
I'd say a lot gets exaggerated on the forums as to how bad the chat is, but there is obvious trolls with-in Caldari Militia as there are in any militia chat. I think we just tend to get a bigger number of them. (hell we even had Genos Occidere for a week til they go bored, I think they even trumped the Gal spy trolls) |
Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:36:00 -
[170] - Quote
Well the LP awarded should be the size of the plex with a mutliplier thrown in for how contested the system is. That way people have a choice plex in high risk highly contested systems for biggest return or plex a backwater system for a lower but less risky return Either way your helping the war effort rather than just yourself.
Sorry if its a bit off topic but the mud slinging was getting boring anyway P. |
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
53
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:38:00 -
[171] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Hrett wrote:This is a serious question - Im not trolling.
Is there really that much bad-mouthing and ****-talking in Cal-Mil channels?
Its not all roses and reach-arounds in Gal-Mil, but its not an unpleasant place to be. I can say we go days if not weeks between any major outbursts - at least in my timezone.
I certainly dont claim to know what is wrong with caldari (if anything) but from reading this thread, the differences are pretty apparant... We Frogs do kinda controlled chaos. FC (and it can be FC by committe) is usually whoever spotted the sqid first and/or the dude who decides to start talking first. Its often a different person or persons for every engagement. Our 'not a fleet' fleet consists of 6-15 -ish people off doing whatever they want. Someone will spot a squid, and you will have 11 hungry voices of KM whores (myself included) asking where to go and what to bring. They arent told to go, or even asked to go. People just go on their own. Real fleets happen too, but they are far rarer and still have an air of informality about them...
Perhaps it not that Squids need more 'discipline' - perhaps its that they need a bit less. I'd say a lot gets exaggerated on the forums as to how bad the chat is, but there is obvious trolls with-in Caldari Militia as there are in any militia chat. I think we just tend to get a bigger number of them. (hell we even had Genos Occidere for a week til they go bored, I think they even trumped the Gal spy trolls)
I have to admit i have couple alt in every militia trolling militia occasionally |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
53
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:39:00 -
[172] - Quote
Chav Queen wrote:Well the LP awarded should be the size of the plex with a mutliplier thrown in for how contested the system is. That way people have a choice plex in high risk highly contested systems for biggest return or plex a backwater system for a lower but less risky return Either way your helping the war effort rather than just yourself.
Sorry if its a bit off topic but the mud slinging was getting boring anyway P.
There is no risk at plexing really. |
Chav Queen
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:52:00 -
[173] - Quote
More risk than doing missions. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:54:00 -
[174] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:Super Chair wrote: "o/ im new to militia how do i get in fleet?" I asked him if he had a gag reflex (joking around) and the rest of the militia immediatly started to tell him that he should join gallente and that we suck, etc etc. Probably lost some potential new blood there, but this happens on a daily basis, and you wonder why caldari's numbers keep shrinking and gallentes grow . Everyone needs to carry a better attitude, even if theirs is normally pretty good. IIRC i brought those new bloods into HP- just for us to be told we were a bunch of spies, ignored, rejected from fleets (unless i was actually there to vouch them in) while im personally told to drop this guy from corp or that guy from corp just because they were new to the game or new to fw. DNLeviathan wrote:
its not that they dont have any strong leaders, they have several. the majority populace just wont accept singular leadership. they generally wont accept advice either.
Caldari needs someone who is strong leader
Yes but even you guys left Cal militia after recruiting tons of pilots and taking them with you just like Wolf brigade and others in the past. I understand the issues of not getting GF's that larger corps in FW have, but it's not like you can't still do other stuff to get them. The fact is most of these larger corps are very lazy in the fact they don't do anything to get those GF's other than expect to shoot the same WT's over and over then wonder why they don't undock.
There is nothing to keep a large corp from shooting other people out side of FW by either piracy or going to null sec and picking fights. Not like you guys are in an alliance taking Sov & systems. There is no reason a corp has to use FW to build up it's numbers than leave because they can't get GF's because Black Rise & Placid offers up some of the best locations in EVE to roam into multiple null sec locations. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
77
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:00:00 -
[175] - Quote
I dont see how it is any different if you made LP for plexing. If I go to a plex, opposition comes I warp away. I go to another plex. Same thing happens in missions. Opposition comes, missioner warps off nd pops the next mission nextdoor. You do realize that with plexes respawning every 30 minutes that the proposed system will not give you anymore people to blob. They will just keep moving on, and plex where you arent (just like how people mission where you are not). Maybe under the old plex spawning mechanisms where there is limited amount of plexes would this system feed anymore kills into the gallente noob grinding machine.
If you want plexing to be meaningful, what about making VPs tradeable for stuff. Capturing offensive plex gives a little bit of VP, but flipping system gives lots of VP based on how much VP everyone had and rewarded more VP to those who actually plexed and less to those who just came to shoot bunker (still make rewards appealing to both, just give the guys who do plexing work extra). Also there can be mechanics regarding occupancy implemented that might make it worthwhile. Removing missions and making plexes LP is just a gimmick. I'd like a meaningful occupancy system rather than just hunt missioners all day. It's like stabbing someone in the sack when they complain of minor headache. Sure theyll forget the pain they had originally but now you've created a worse problem. Thats what removing missions and having plexes for LP would do. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:10:00 -
[176] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:I dont see how it is any different if you made LP for plexing. If I go to a plex, opposition comes I warp away. I go to another plex. Same thing happens in missions.
The only difference is that if you are a farmer and you've spent 15 minutes in a 20 minute plex, that time is now wasted (since the opposition camping the mission either gets a fight or gets LP (or both) therefore having incentive to wait) , unlike the current mission system where you continue with one of the other 15 open missions you have and return later with whatever progress you made still there.
I am not stuck on LP, a VP system or an LP system where you get rewarded more when the system flips is a great idea. I am against the current mission system where it's
- purely a pve only exercise (be it stealth bombers on the caldari side, or gila/ishtars with cloaks on the gallente side) - where the opposition can do nothing to sabotage your mission progress even if you choose to avoid pvp - where the opposition feels like they lose if they manage to hold a plex because they just wasted x minutes of their time with no fight and no reward
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Mutnin
Mutineers
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:27:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Super Chair wrote:I dont see how it is any different if you made LP for plexing. If I go to a plex, opposition comes I warp away. I go to another plex. Same thing happens in missions. The only difference is that if you are a farmer and you've spent 15 minutes in a 20 minute plex, that time is now wasted (since the opposition camping the mission either gets a fight or gets LP (or both) therefore having incentive to wait) , unlike the current mission system where you continue with one of the other 15 open missions you have and return later with whatever progress you made still there. I am not stuck on LP, a VP system or an LP system where you get rewarded more when the system flips is a great idea. I am against the current mission system where it's - purely a pve only exercise (be it stealth bombers on the caldari side, or gila/ishtars with cloaks on the gallente side) - where the opposition can do nothing to sabotage your mission progress even if you choose to avoid pvp - where the opposition feels like they lose if they manage to hold a plex because they just wasted x minutes of their time with no fight and no reward
The problem IMO to isk for plexing is to make the system workable in order to fix the farming issues of FW mission is the whole plexing system would need to be reworked. It's too easy to run plexes of any size in cheap frigs, meaning it would be pretty much the same issues that we have with missions. (this requires effort from CCP. Effort + CCP + FW = 0)
You would end up with noob accounts with t1 frigs farming them. Hell I can run any gallente plex in a dam Merlin, just by killing the NPC frigs. Use a Kestral with light missiles and it's even easier. They need a complete rework of the FW plexing system into something that either does away with NPC's or at least balance's them for all races and requires the NPC's to be dealt with. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:31:00 -
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Mutnin wrote: The problem IMO to isk for plexing is to make the system workable in order to fix the farming issues of FW mission is the whole plexing system would need to be reworked. It's too easy to run plexes of any size in cheap frigs, meaning it would be pretty much the same issues that we have with missions.
You would end up with noob accounts with t1 frigs farming them. Hell I can run any gallente plex in a dam Merlin, just by killing the NPC frigs. Use a Kestral with light missiles and it's even easier. They need a complete rework of the FW plexing system into something that either does away with NPC's or at least balance's them for all races and requires the NPC's to be dealt with.
I completely agree with this. If CCP cared, it would be worth spending a weekend to put together a document on how the above could be achieved: But given my understanding of CCP's processes, the best we can say is "we'd like plexing to be worth something, and we dislike the situation where farmers can purely pve with no practical way to stop them" and let CCP work out the details. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:49:00 -
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chatgris wrote:
I completely agree with this. If CCP cared, it would be worth spending a weekend to put together a document on how the above could be achieved: But given my understanding of CCP's processes, the best we can say is "we'd like plexing to be worth something, and we dislike the situation where farmers can purely pve with no practical way to stop them" and let CCP work out the details.
The only way I could see CCP doing anything the players want in regard to FW is if by some miracle the players of each side decided to work together to push a unified player supported focus on how to fix FW. The reason CCP used to care about places like scrapheap-challenge and so forth was because a large amount of players posted there on that forum, with various thoughts or ideas.
Until then it's just like Republicans vs Democrats.. long as the peons keep squabbling at each other, the powers that be don't really have to do anything but collect RL Isk. Get everyone together with a jointly decided focus and then "maybe" they would think about doing something. (maybe I stress) |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
62
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Posted - 2011.12.28 21:01:00 -
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LOL, there's nothing wrong with FW missions and there's plenty of good fights lately in FW plexes.
I think the devs should be more worried about 0.0 atm since the FW "alliances" are among the best in kills and isk destroyed in the game lately. Seriously guys, there's more action in FW than anywherre else in this game.
w.r.t. Draco. 22nd should have never left it's FW niche. You'd be one of the strongest corps in the entire game right now. Instead, you guys thought the real action was somewhere else. My guess is that you guys got bored fighting infererior forces at a slower pace and then eventually dissolved - like most former FW corps. The pace in FW may seem slow to us in FW, but it's 10x as fast as in 0.0.
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EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:07:00 -
[181] - Quote
If you are not making billions from plexes (not missions) in Fw your doing it wrong! Do an eve search and we have to thank Pervs for telling us how to do this!
Jumps in for a sniper! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
32
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:09:00 -
[182] - Quote
I like where FW is headed atm.
The plexes are getting round the clock attention, somthing of a novelty to the late US TZ, promptly provoking fights of all sizes in all classes - this is definitly a good thing.
Slowly the nessessity of having a good FC and fearing a bad, but large fight are disapating and the smaller pvp gangs picking up as well as the larger stuff. More gangs out willing to take more fights FC be damned.
FW lacked enthusiasum for a while but i think that, morale and more good fights is making things better by the day.
I cant comment directly on caldari fw of course, this is what ive obversed from amarr/minnie.
Long may it continue, and to those at ccp that might read somthing from time to time, a little is nice but more is better - dont think you are done just yet. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:53:00 -
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I just took a look on our killboard, and it seems that we're having more small engagements than big ones. I had to go back to the 2nd page on our KB to see a kill with over 10 people on it. Even then, it was only 12. I'm not seeing all that many 'big fleet' engagments in my late US TZ. Even when it's east coast prime time, there's not all that many big fleets for us Qcats. Heck, I had to go all the way back to page 6 to find a fight over 20!!! And that's just a couple of us Qcats on a roam with another FW corp!
Maybe for us it's a lack of 'Veteran' FC Ammon Dei, but I'd say that it's allowed us as a corp to get better at our own personal PVP skills and not just listen to the FC give commands. I know it's helped me.
Either way, spread out constant plexes everywhere allows the more active militias to take more space. It also seems to keep fleets smaller! I likes!
*how did this get turned into something other than Cal Mil sux?* |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
34
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Posted - 2011.12.28 23:36:00 -
[184] - Quote
I don't know but this thread needs to die and new ones need to spring up in its place. You all couldn't stay on topic if it had a big pair of **** that had "touch me" tattooed on them. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
32
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Posted - 2011.12.29 00:09:00 -
[185] - Quote
Julius Foederatus wrote:I don't know but this thread needs to die and new ones need to spring up in its place. You all couldn't stay on topic if it had a big pair of **** that had "touch me" tattooed on them.
excellent contribution.
thanks for posting. |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
34
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Posted - 2011.12.29 01:03:00 -
[186] - Quote
It's just as much a contribution as anything in this thread. This is a thread about Caldari militia and you're posting about plexing in Amarr space and why you think it's the greatest thing since pie. Hardly relevant to what the thread's chosen topic is. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
77
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Posted - 2011.12.29 01:59:00 -
[187] - Quote
I like pie.
Also, need new threads to spring up in this ones place? Shall all the caldari corps wardec eachother? I'm sure well have two pages of drama in no time But that would be so 2010... |
Cryissa
Caldari Navy Operations
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:17:00 -
[188] - Quote
Interesting read and interesting points raised. From both sides.
I am CEO of a small corp. Few new, few old players. Seen and done most things.
Faction War seemed like a good way to pvp without growing larger and heading into 0.0 or dealing with the politics of other corps or joining an alliance. I doubt anyone would take a small corp like us anyway.
For the most part recently the faction war seemed to be enjoyed by the members of CNO. That was until Caldari were driven out of Enaluri. I am far too young in FW to know the years of history so please forgive me if I appear to be talking out of my bottom.
Isn't it and I mean FW ment to be about fun? When a game and lets remember EvE is a game stops being fun people leave. Where is the fun in 10 v 1? or 20 v 10? or working hard to take back a plex with say 8 people and spending hours getting that bunker to zero shield, working hard on the armour only to have 30+ of the enemy hungry to kill you? Is that fun? It wasn't so fun for me to waste a lot of time shooting a thing in space to be driven off.
It was fun getting shot at by a Thorax while I was in a Manticore shooting at the bunker while in fleet with 8 other ships. I knew it would happen by the way. So I re-ship and come back to shoot at the bunker again because I felt I had to do my duty and help out in getting a foot hold in what is Caldari space. It wasn't fun being driven off by those 30+ ships.
Still. I am still here.
It causes me pain to see many leave, give up and get bored of being as many say (Blobbed)
Again I know im new to FW and many might say that Caldari have done it the day of this or the day of that. OK I get it. What goes around comes around.
But now what will happen?
Yes Caldari will come back in time. How long? No idea.
For the time being I see the Gallente moving more into high sec and setting up gate camps hoping to catch FW members because not enough fleet's from Caldari are trying to take back plexs or posing for a fight.
I see Gallente having help or appear to from pirates in and around Enaluri. (Am I wrong?) Maybe Caldari have done that in the past? I don't know.
Is all of this fun? I cannot abide sitting at gates for very long.
I cannot imagine finding that fun in any sec as 10 or more catching one litle fish now and then?
Maybe I am just a different breed with different morals and a different idea of what fun is?
OK now I turn into a ramble.
Point is it will turn around. People come, people go. But it will come back and who knows it might be FUN again one day.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 14:46:00 -
[189] - Quote
Cryissa wrote:Is all of this fun? I cannot abide sitting at gates for very long.
I cannot imagine finding that fun in any sec as 10 or more catching one litle fish now and then?
Maybe I am just a different breed with different morals and a different idea of what fun is?
Gallentes wont be bored by any of that. Very few people get bored by one-sided ganks in Eve. Most people are horrified of losing ships and despite boasting, most people are not in eve for good fights or challenges. They want ganks and then go on forums to boast about it. Just consider OP of this thread, another "grass is greener on this side" class of people. In old times they were called turncoats or just cowards. In Eve he is most likely praised for his "foresight".
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Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:16:00 -
[190] - Quote
Cryissa wrote:Interesting read and interesting points raised. From both sides.
I see Gallente having help or appear to from pirates in and around Enaluri. (Am I wrong?) Maybe Caldari have done that in the past? I don't know.
Most of the pirates that are/were active in Enaluri are not friendly Gallente.
The perceived blob during the US TZ at least is generally free roaming players that just pay attention to intel channels, and keep a fairly decent stock of ships on hand for all kinds of engagements. When a target is spotted, we rally and see if we have the ships/numbers to counter, sometimes this means all kinds of people come out of the woodwork and we end up with more members than expected. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
25
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:27:00 -
[191] - Quote
Fidelium Mortis wrote:Cryissa wrote:Interesting read and interesting points raised. From both sides.
I see Gallente having help or appear to from pirates in and around Enaluri. (Am I wrong?) Maybe Caldari have done that in the past? I don't know.
Most of the pirates that are/were active in Enaluri are not friendly Gallente. The perceived blob during the US TZ at least is generally free roaming players that just pay attention to intel channels, and keep a fairly decent stock of ships on hand for all kinds of engagements. When a target is spotted, we rally and see if we have the ships/numbers to counter, sometimes this means all kinds of people come out of the woodwork and we end up with more members than expected.
Just to be clear, both sides have had dealing with pirates at one time or the other.
The pirates generally go where the easy kills are, and CalMil offered the easy kills. At least for the classic "I have a carrier alt and I sit on the undock" pirates. (this BTW is a reason to quit EVE if I ever saw one).
The Gal line (especially from Q-Cats) has always been, "we don't mean to blob, we just have a lot of guys who want pew pew" I honestly believe it coming from the Q-Cats.
The hard line truth is that for a whole number of reasons, many of which have been beaten to death in this thread, CalMil has had an exodus in the past month or so. Similar to what happened about 1.5-2 yrs ago. The one difference I see is that 1.5-2yrs ago you could pull 30-60 guys form gen mil, they were inexperienced and generally we got pwned, but we could get them. The last time I tried to pull a gen mil fleet together I got 7 corp members and 2 state pro guys in Jita... |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:32:00 -
[192] - Quote
Dark Pangolin wrote:The last time I tried to pull a gen mil fleet together I got 7 corp members and 2 state pro guys in Jita...
Well, militia channel tends to have more gallente troll alts than proper human beings so that's hard to get by. You know, the old character who is still an ensign in rank and has 0 kills on any board and spends his time openly boasting he is a spy or asking for shuttle fits...
Playing Eve teaches you a lot about your fellow man does it not? Mittani put it best in his recent article where Eve players either become bozos or brownshirts, unless they do the reasonable thing and run for the exit, never to return.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
390
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:31:00 -
[193] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Well, militia channel tends to have more gallente troll alts than proper human beings so that's hard to get by.
Eeeeyup, typical Caldari militia - blame the Gallente for everything, even your own failures. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
25
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:41:00 -
[194] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Well, militia channel tends to have more gallente troll alts than proper human beings so that's hard to get by. Eeeeyup, typical Caldari militia - blame the Gallente for everything, even your own failures.
Not that I'm against forum flaming, but who are you exactly? I don't ever remember killing you. And you don't ever appear to have been in either militia. Are you counting I-RED (the Caldari RP Alliance that fights for the Galente...)??
I feel like we need to get people to post their FW credentials..."I was in FW in 2007 for 3 months therefore..."
MMMMMM I <3 holiday time at work, there is nothing to do but browse forums! |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:51:00 -
[195] - Quote
Has there been a concerted effort by the CalMil to recruit corps looking to PvP? With stuff stirring in null sec I would imagine there's a few displaced corps out there that might be interested in making a home in low-sec. Also what about the recruitment channel or people coming out of RvB looking for some harder hitting fights? ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:58:00 -
[196] - Quote
It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much. |
Garbad theWeak
53
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:02:00 -
[197] - Quote
Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much. ...then loren gallen undocks travarion's carrier.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:03:00 -
[198] - Quote
Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much.
In other words, attempt to get people to humiliate themselves publicly by accepting something as moronic as agreed duels while you boast "am I not merciful for giving them a chance" in these forums?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:10:00 -
[199] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much. In other words, attempt to get people to humiliate themselves publicly by accepting something as moronic as agreed duels while you boast "am I not merciful for giving them a chance" in these forums?
Moronic is thinking that accepting an agreed duel is somehow humiliating...
EDIT: @Dark Pangolin: Yes, holiday time at work is great :) |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:20:00 -
[200] - Quote
Hopefully the next expansion, "War", will have something for FW in it that will attract some new blood to FW. Until then, FW is still the best place to be if you live in lowsec.
In response to Dark's post: I'm Andre, I've been in Gall Mill for about 3 years. You may never see me, but I'm there in my Helios watching you, waiting. |
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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:24:00 -
[201] - Quote
I certainly cant speak for everyone else in our corp or in GalMil, but speaking for myself, I want there to be more CalMil people to fight. At least in my timezone, there are Caldari who fight every day, and they get kills on on us (read:me), but they just dont have the numbers to put on the line right now to consistantly counter our "out of the woodwork" numbers.
And to suggest that Gallente in general are just looking/planning to blob is innacurate. As Pangolin said, we just have lots of people who want to pvp. If intel comes out that there is a fleet of 5-6 guys in X system, we all run toward X system in hopes of getting a fight. We dont sit at a gate and say "Ok, lets wait until we outnumber them 3-1, then we will go." We go with what shows up in a short amount of time, and what shows up just happens to be a lot of folks. It is not reasonable to expect someone to say in Milita chat: "I found a fleet of 6 squids in Enaluri, and I am running a solo plex. I need help, but only 5 of you are allowed to come. Everyone else frack off..." Intel gets posted, and people who want to fight show up. The root of the problem is we just have more people that want to fight right now.
I know this may sound like a hair brained idea, but why not search for other Corps in the recruitment forum, or C&P or CAOD, etc stating your case. "CalMil wants you! Want a target rich environment? Fights every day? Fights restricted to certain ship sizes? Sanctioned piracy? CalMil is for you. The recent plex changes, etc., blah, blah..." You get the picture. Just entice corps who might be bored with what they are currently doing and lay out what FW has to offer. I honestly think the plex changes are excellent and are a good reason for other folks to join. /shrug. EDIT: Fidilum beat me to the punch as I was typing this. What he said above.
Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. My sec status is hurting because we dont have targets and have been going pie for things to shoot. Among others, I went GCC last night for a rifter. A RIFTER for chrissakes. That should tell you all you need to know. (I also got myself blowed up with gateguns because I am not used to flying around with a GCC flag.)
Here is hoping for more corps to join Caldari. I cant stand ratting for sec status. ;) |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:42:00 -
[202] - Quote
Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored.
Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up.
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EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:50:00 -
[203] - Quote
Ach now come on... The Gallente want more pilots to gank... or to justify their fleet numbers.
I agree the problem is mostly a roaming gang of 2-5 caldari get a response from 5-15 gallente, so the Caldari see the number disadvantage and run!
No one wants to die in a fire, and when you hear intel of twice as many ships as you have, you know you are going to die.
The problem, as I've said before, is the Gallente have 3 corps each with over 100 members.
The Caldari's most active corp (on killboard) is 40 members, The Caldari's 3rd top scorer this month is state pro.
I thought that these gallentes would take on pirates, bring heavy ships, ships that I/we could use smaller numbers on to "grab" from the fleet, just as we did when the shoe was on the other foot and I were gallente with massive caldari fleets.
But the gallentes are flying cruiser hulls and below. They are taking the plexing serious But in doing so, I can't ninja kill them. As Damar says, I want to kill you not give you a fight.
Until the 3 x 100 man corps get bored or take on one of the pirate corps - Move in and kill them. (WOLFY v Swigg in tama) comes to mind. (we didn't get on at all to start with, then we turned on the caldari). There is no reason to fight.
If gallente can bring 20 in high sp ships, and the caldari can't even get that number in low sp ships. Its ganks all the way!
Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am! |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:01:00 -
[204] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am!
Well, you didnt last long in militia did you?
The problem with plexes is that it's wonderful if both sides are equally matched. However, since on that front the numbers are so completely lopsided, it does not matter if someone like Squatdog or me can go and rip apart multiple froggies alone. Short term victory will always be undone by eventual blob which follows.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:09:00 -
[205] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:I thought that these gallentes would take on pirates, bring heavy ships, ships that I/we could use smaller numbers on to "grab" from the fleet, just as we did when the shoe was on the other foot and I were gallente with massive caldari fleets.
First off, we do take on pirates. When they want to fight, they know where to find us. Had a nice three way with pirates and caldari over the enaluri bunker not long ago, and we regularly take on pirate gangs when they are around. (At least when I'm online)
Your second comment is more of a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. We've (QCATS, USTZ) largely stopped bringing heavy ships since we already have the numbers advantage. This is the first time I've seen someone complain due to an attempt to undership the enemy :) |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:10:00 -
[206] - Quote
Edit: man are we all bored silly at work today or what?
EVIL SYNNs wrote:Ach now come on... The Gallente want more pilots to gank... or to justify their fleet numbers.
I agree the problem is mostly a roaming gang of 2-5 caldari get a response from 5-15 gallente, so the Caldari see the number disadvantage and run!
No one wants to die in a fire, and when you hear intel of twice as many ships as you have, you know you are going to die.
The problem, as I've said before, is the Gallente have 3 corps each with over 100 members.
The Caldari's most active corp (on killboard) is 40 members, The Caldari's 3rd top scorer this month is state pro.
I thought that these gallentes would take on pirates, bring heavy ships, ships that I/we could use smaller numbers on to "grab" from the fleet, just as we did when the shoe was on the other foot and I were gallente with massive caldari fleets.
But the gallentes are flying cruiser hulls and below. They are taking the plexing serious But in doing so, I can't ninja kill them. As Damar says, I want to kill you not give you a fight.
Until the 3 x 100 man corps get bored or take on one of the pirate corps - Move in and kill them. (WOLFY v Swigg in tama) comes to mind. (we didn't get on at all to start with, then we turned on the caldari). There is no reason to fight.
If gallente can bring 20 in high sp ships, and the caldari can't even get that number in low sp ships. Its ganks all the way!
Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am!
SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
78
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:18:00 -
[207] - Quote
Andre Vauban wrote:
SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members.
So you're saying we don't have to see the navy domi blobbed dubbed "the package" ever again? Promise?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:21:00 -
[208] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:
SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members.
So you're saying we don't have to see the navy domi blobbed dubbed "the package" ever again? Promise?
Very unlikely (that you will see the navy domi blob again), given the high number of perma-blinkies in the US TZ now. Even ignoring the fw standing hit for repping a friendly < -5, gate guns + drones == sad gallente.
Come to think of it, this is what in my experience usually stops us from engaging more organized pirate gangs, our inability to use remote reps (here's to hoping that CCP fixes the fw standing hit one day for repping a friendly -5)
EDIT: Plus, even before a large number of pilots went perma -5, the navy domis were just a counter to the 4-5 scorp fleets that cal mil fielded for a while. And this was before you *made* us learn how to fly nano. That's right, I'm going to put this on a new line so it's very apparent:
SUPER CHAIR IS THE REASON THE GAL MIL FLIES NANO NOW
His nano drake fleets are the reason we stopped flying armor ships and had to adapt. (Maybe nexx would have converted us in the long run with the cynabal, but Super definitely hastened the process). |
Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:24:00 -
[209] - Quote
Cryissa wrote:
For the most part recently the faction war seemed to be enjoyed by the members of CNO. That was until Caldari were driven out of Enaluri. I am far too young in FW to know the years of history so please forgive me if I appear to be talking out of my bottom.
Caldari haven't between driven out of Enal.. there just isn't a lot of active players at the moment , but there is still more than enough people in enal.. Getting them to undock on the other had.. Well that's a challenge.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:30:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Cryissa wrote:Is all of this fun? I cannot abide sitting at gates for very long.
I cannot imagine finding that fun in any sec as 10 or more catching one litle fish now and then?
Maybe I am just a different breed with different morals and a different idea of what fun is?
Gallentes wont be bored by any of that. Very few people get bored by one-sided ganks in Eve. Most people are horrified of losing ships and despite boasting, most people are not in eve for good fights or challenges. They want ganks and then go on forums to boast about it. Just consider OP of this thread, another "grass is greener on this side" class of people. In old times they were called turncoats or just cowards. In Eve he is most likely praised for his "foresight".
This is pretty much true.. There are very few people in this game that want to play on hard mode, which means often being against the odds. I always get a kick out of the guys that swap sides like the OP when the sides are already un-balanced., leaving for the stronger side of the moment.
When we came back to FW we actually had to grind our standings to get into Caldari whom was then the under dog. We could of went right to Gallente or back to Minmatar but where would the fun in that be of constantly ganking people that have no chance of fighting back?
Garr Earthbender wrote:It might be time for 'scheduled frig fights' kinda thing.
Then the squids would get a chance for some sort of even fight and nobody risks too much.
Sorry but not here to amuse your bloblings.. Those of us that still undock will just kill you guys when the killing is good and avoid your 10 vs 1 odds when the killing it not so good. |
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:35:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:SPDR and SOTF definitely do go toe to toe with the pirate corps. QCATS no longer has the capability of fighting the pirate corps toe to toe. We are more of a skirmish warfare Corp, it's just who we are. We just don't roll heavy without having a specific reason. Also, QCATS is now well under 100 members.
I know I've been OOG for a while, but since I've been back we've engaged pirate fleets toe to toe more often than not when we see them.
Two recent fights I can think of:
Enaluri bunker bust logi support tier3 gang (looks lopsided since you can't catch them all). |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:56:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up.
You really are a piece of work Damar...
You really are.
The fact is, we do want and liked it when the Caldari could match us fleet for fleet, ship for ship. Just because we don't like you and think you are one mental, crazy, hypocritical nut job does not translate to our opinion and desire to the rest of Cal Mil.
Despite some of you who seem to like to think you know more about what we want and how we want to play better then we do ourselves, most of us do prefer the even fight.
Will the fights we get always be even? Hell no. That's Eve. The gank-of-opportunity should never be passed up. But that does not change the fact that we would very much like to see a Cal Mil that can field PvP'ers on a more regular basis. After all, that's why most of us are in FW...
But then again, you Damar and a couple others here already know more about what we want then we do...so I guess I'm just wasting my time... |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:56:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up.
How pleasant.
So curious - what do you believe GalMil, the collective hive-mind that we are, wants? It must be well hidden and planted deep into my psyche because I dont even recall the hypnosis/training session that they must have put me through when I joined. What is their agenda? Please tell me so I can write it on my hand so when they re-hypnotize me I can remember it and try to grok out their plot. You know, like in that movie with that dude with those tattoos and things.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:12:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up. You really are a piece of work Damar... You really are. The fact is, we do want and liked it when the Caldari could match us fleet for fleet, ship for ship. Just because we don't like you and think you are one mental, crazy, hypocritical nut job does not translate to our opinion and desire to the rest of Cal Mil. Despite some of you who seem to like to think you know more about what we want and how we want to play better then we do ourselves, most of us do prefer the even fight. Will the fights we get always be even? Hell no. That's Eve. The gank-of-opportunity should never be passed up. But that does not change the fact that we would very much like to see a Cal Mil that can field PvP'ers on a more regular basis. After all, that's why most of us are in FW... But then again, you Damar and a couple others here already know more about what we want then we do...so I guess I'm just wasting my time...
The problem is, you don't show that you want GF's by your actions.. When you know already know that you out number the other side, why still push it further by always bringing Faction ships into the plexes?
If you actually wanted GF's, then you would make it a point to bring less OP ships to every fight, when you already have the numbers advantage. If I'm looking at your gang of randoms as you guys claim and see say 5 or 6 Ruptures, thorax's or Vexors I'm going to say. Yea I could maybe have a chance at that if I bring out say 2 Drakes or maybe a Myrm or Cyclone. Say I see a 5 or 6 frigs I say to myself, yea I can have a go at that with a Vexor or Caracal.
This gives me opportunity to look at a way of a challenging fight that could potentially go either way and most likely both side will lose a ship or two. (granted I know I'd be met with 30 ECM-300's but that besides the point)
Meanwhile the reality is always.. those 5 or 6 Ruptures or Thoraxs are normally Cynabals, Phantasms, Stabber Fleet issues.. ectt.ect.. Those 5 or 6 frigs are always Dramiels & Daredevils..
So why you might "think" you are looking for GFs, you are not however returning the notion that you actually want a GF by your actions. Why do you think I always fly T1 BC's or T1 cruisers with the only t2 ships I ever fly being frigs? Do you think I don't have Recon V, Hac V and every racial cruiser & frigs to V's, ability to fly all T3's ect..ect?
Of course I do, but I ship my self down because I look for fights that are interesting and in my experiences those interesting fights usually only come when the "other" side thinks they have the advantage. Meaning you show no notion that you want GF's when you always bring gank fleets. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:14:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Just because we don't like you and think you are one mental, crazy, hypocritical nut job does not translate to our opinion and desire to the rest of Cal Mil
I find that highly ironical, coming from people whose hobby includes evemail spamming, ad-hominem attacks, etc. And the reason which provoked you to do all this? Hell as I know, except I was picked up as target from hordes of Caldari plexers years ago.
Oh right, it's because the target of said attacks is not polite to you after such attacks, it's HIS fault. I could put a tasteless real-world allegory here but I skip it since unlike you lot, I have some restraint.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:20:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Meanwhile the reality is always.. those 5 or 6 Ruptures or Thoraxs are normally Cynabals, Phantasms, Stabber Fleet issues.. ectt.ect.. Those 5 or 6 frigs are always Dramiels & Daredevils.
I think you pretty much nailed it.
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Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:22:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up. You really are a piece of work Damar... You really are. The fact is, we do want and liked it when the Caldari could match us fleet for fleet, ship for ship. Just because we don't like you and think you are one mental, crazy, hypocritical nut job does not translate to our opinion and desire to the rest of Cal Mil. Despite some of you who seem to like to think you know more about what we want and how we want to play better then we do ourselves, most of us do prefer the even fight. Will the fights we get always be even? Hell no. That's Eve. The gank-of-opportunity should never be passed up. But that does not change the fact that we would very much like to see a Cal Mil that can field PvP'ers on a more regular basis. After all, that's why most of us are in FW... But then again, you Damar and a couple others here already know more about what we want then we do...so I guess I'm just wasting my time... The problem is, you don't show that you want GF's by your actions.. When you know already know that you out number the other side, why still push it further by always bringing Faction ships into the plexes? If you actually wanted GF's, then you would make it a point to bring less OP ships to every fight, when you already have the numbers advantage. If I'm looking at your gang of randoms as you guys claim and see say 5 or 6 Ruptures, thorax's or Vexors I'm going to say. Yea I could maybe have a chance at that if I bring out say 2 Drakes or maybe a Myrm or Cyclone. Say I see a 5 or 6 frigs I say to myself, yea I can have a go at that with a Vexor or Caracal. This gives me opportunity to look at a way of a challenging fight that could potentially go either way and most likely both side will lose a ship or two. (granted I know I'd be met with 30 ECM-300's but that besides the point) Meanwhile the reality is always.. those 5 or 6 Ruptures or Thoraxs are normally Cynabals, Phantasms, Stabber Fleet issues.. ectt.ect.. Those 5 or 6 frigs are always Dramiels & Daredevils, with random navy frigs mixed in. So you might "think" you are looking for GFs, you are not however returning the notion that you actually want a GF by your actions. Why do you think I always fly T1 BC's or T1 cruisers with the only t2 ships I ever fly being frigs? Do you think I don't have Recon V, Hac V and every racial cruiser & frigs to V's, ability to fly all T3's ect..ect? Of course I do, but I ship my self down because I look for fights that are interesting and in my experiences those interesting fights usually only come when the "other" side thinks they have the advantage. Meaning you show no notion that you want GF's when you always bring gank fleets. You want GF's then you need to appear to want GF's by your actions and provide them in return.
^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
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Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:28:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:Hrett wrote:Honestly, we really do want there to be more cal mil. We are kinda getting bored. Could you stop repeating this lie like a Chatgris'es trained b...h you are. No, you dont want and you never have wanted. So shut up. You really are a piece of work Damar... You really are. The fact is, we do want and liked it when the Caldari could match us fleet for fleet, ship for ship. Just because we don't like you and think you are one mental, crazy, hypocritical nut job does not translate to our opinion and desire to the rest of Cal Mil. Despite some of you who seem to like to think you know more about what we want and how we want to play better then we do ourselves, most of us do prefer the even fight. Will the fights we get always be even? Hell no. That's Eve. The gank-of-opportunity should never be passed up. But that does not change the fact that we would very much like to see a Cal Mil that can field PvP'ers on a more regular basis. After all, that's why most of us are in FW... But then again, you Damar and a couple others here already know more about what we want then we do...so I guess I'm just wasting my time... The problem is, you don't show that you want GF's by your actions.. When you know already know that you out number the other side, why still push it further by always bringing Faction ships into the plexes? If you actually wanted GF's, then you would make it a point to bring less OP ships to every fight, when you already have the numbers advantage. If I'm looking at your gang of randoms as you guys claim and see say 5 or 6 Ruptures, thorax's or Vexors I'm going to say. Yea I could maybe have a chance at that if I bring out say 2 Drakes or 2 canes. Say I see a 5 or 6 frigs I say to myself, yea I can have a go at that with a Vexor or Caracal. This gives me opportunity to look at a way of a challenging fight that could potentially go either way and most likely both side will lose a ship or two. (granted I know I'd be met with 30 ECM-300's but that besides the point) Meanwhile the reality is always.. those 5 or 6 Ruptures or Thoraxs are normally Cynabals, Phantasms, Stabber Fleet issues.. ectt.ect.. Those 5 or 6 frigs are always Dramiels & Daredevils.. So why you might "think" you are looking for GFs, you are not however returning the notion that you actually want a GF by your actions. Why do you think I always fly T1 BC's or T1 cruisers with the only t2 ships I ever fly being frigs? Do you think I don't have Recon V, Hac V and every racial cruiser & frigs to V's, ability to fly all T3's ect..ect? Of course I do, but I ship my self down because I look for fights that are interesting and in my experiences those interesting fights usually only come when the "other" side thinks they have the advantage. Meaning you show no notion that you want GF's when you always bring gank fleets.
So...once again..YOU know more about how I want to play the game....
I'm not saying that we (Gal Mil) overship....but that is not "most". And I am not the "you".
Cal Mil still does it themselves. Cruisers to take on frigs. 4 or more to take on 1. This is NOT unique to Gal Mil. People will roll with what they have and who they are with. I don't cry about fair fights and blobs when a small fleet of Cal Mil run me out of a plex while I'm solo. Or when I decide to engage outnumbered and still lose. Or when a dessie tries to gank my frig... It's all part of the game.
I've been in FW for over 2 years. Seen it cycle to the Cal side and now it is heavily on the Gal side right now. I can remember sitting on the Tama gate for over an hour in cruisers waiting for the squids to get their fleet together only to have them come rolling out in frikkin BS's with greater numbers then us knowing full well what we had for 5 jumps in every direction. Oh well, that's the game.
If I wanted PvP with training wheels where it was some utopian, hippy commune of "fairness", I'd do RvB (no offense :P) or something similair with a rigid structure and rules.
As it is, you deal with what you have and you adapt to what the oppostion is doing. You don't come here to cry and moan about it. 2 years ago the squids were rolling heavy and roamed as they please. There were several squids ganking in our hi-sec. Guess what, I (and many others) adapted and are better pilots for it.
That's exactly what the squids need to do now - NOT sit here and make excuses how it's the Gall's fault that Eve isn't fair.... |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:29:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
And you are asking this question without a slightest hint of irony? (Answer from what i've seen: Every last one of them, at every possible opportunity)
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Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:32:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights. And you are asking this question without a slightest hint of irony? (Answer from what i've seen: Every last one of them, at every possible opportunity)
Obviously...you see only what you want to see...which isn't that much.... |
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:37:00 -
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Damar Rocarion wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights. And you are asking this question without a slightest hint of irony? (Answer from what i've seen: Every last one of them, at every possible opportunity)
I roll T1 son.
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=386762&view=losses&m=12&y=2011 |
Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:39:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:[quote=Mutnin] ^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
Prime example which includes 2 of you Qcats.
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11987425
This is my alt that I use for the blob fights and trying to train Caldari noobers when I have the chance.. ( assume you guys knew being I don't make it a secret in Militia chat and I'm selling it anyway)
The other day you guys were in a plex with a DD, Comet and I saw a Jag & Hookbill flying around on scan that I assumed was Gal. Was also a Lach but he wasn't a concern in a med.. There were a few Gals next door in nemm, but I figure what the hell, I'll have a good in a med plex in a cruiser hull where I have NPC aggro vs a few faction frigs..
Of course faction frigs turn into Cynabal + Vexor.. Jag never showed up so maybe he wasn't with you guys. 2 or 3 other ships entered the plex b4 I died, but weren't on the KM for a proper ganking. Oh btw of course I got jammed with ECM drones while Val was in structure..
had 4 or 5 frigs shown up I'd probably of still died but likely taken a few out and had GF.. However Cynabal shows up pretty much faster than anyone as well as the Vexor.
I'm not complaining about the loss, after all I choose to fight you guys, but it's just typical response that I always see out of you guys.. You are never interested in risking losses of your own ships to get a GF, but rather only interesting in fighting if you have enough gank on hand. Val of course ran on the 1st go around and Cromwell burned way the hell away until you guys could line up proper gank with Cynabal & Vexor support for a Caracal.
Of course I knew Val was only willing to engage if he had proper gank gang lined up, but I was bored and fought, which tends to be reason I lose most ships that I lose.. Boredom.. |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:49:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:[quote=Mutnin] ^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
Prime example which includes 2 of you Qcats. http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11987425This is my alt that I use for the blob fights and trying to train Caldari noobers when I have the chance.. ( assume you guys knew being I don't make it a secret in Militia chat and I'm selling it anyway) The other day you guys were in a plex with a DD, Comet and I saw a Jag flying around on scan that I assumed was Gal. There was also a few Gals next door in nemm. I figure what the hell. I have a good in a med plex in a cruiser hull where I have NPC aggro vs a few faction frigs.. Of course faction frigs turn into Cynabal + Vexor.. Jag never showed up so maybe he wasn't with you guys. 2 or 3 other ships entered the plex b4 I died, but weren't on the KM for a proper ganking. Oh btw of course I got jammed with ECM drones while Val was in structure..
I remember that as I was solo in the plex when you came in.
And it's our fault how? So guys who are already out in those ships aren't allowed to help copmates/fellow militia cause it would be unfair?
This is where I take issue with this kind of thing. You engaged on your own accord. It's not our fault it turn one sided. "Sorry guys....Val is going to lose his DD to a Caracal...it would be unfair if you brought in anything shiney...so just let him die...." Would you have had the same opinion if you had ended up just ganking me in my comet before anyone else had showed up?
No, of course not. |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:50:00 -
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Meh - double post fail... |
Jess Conell
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:51:00 -
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So much written here.....
We go for GF-¦s every Day in our Timezone (EU) and we most have it. It does not mean big Fleets or shiny Ships, no - we try to downsize, make minor Plexes at first step at max. with Faction Frigs , most T1Frig/Destroyer stuff.No Dram/Dare etc. And its very interesting to see if we enter a Minor in Nennamaila for Example , it takes not up to 5 min. and the Gallente stand outside at the Gate, sharpening the Knives :) If they came with too much numbers , we fly away , don-¦t take this fight, if they bring too much Dram/Dares etc. same strategy. If it seems nearly balanced we take the fight and its always close. We are full aware of the importance of these plexes, we don-¦t can match them in a head to head fight at this time. But we don-¦t worry about this fact. Next step ist to try medium plexes with T1 Cruiser / T2 Frigsize - , Faction Cruiser are too powerful to take them if the Gals come with too much of them we don-¦t take this fight also. We have members they are completely inexpirienced in PVP ,we try to teach as good as we can, but we dont want to bring up Faction Cruisers at this Time.
I totally agree with the term that the Gallente are not "blobbing" with planning that, we saw it yesterday live.They have the numbers who are searching the fight , so the first intel goes around (we were 6-8 Frigs yesterday) - so it takes up 5 mins, and they have equal ore more numbers. Sometimes they come with bigger ships, but often they downsize and we have a fight. On my sight CalMil isn-¦t powerful enough at the Moment to take head to head fight-¦s but the Calmil is actual reorganized and new Connections to other Language/Timezones grown up today.Not fast, but it does.
I say to our new Members - if you can win fights here in CalMil at these times you are ready to go everywhere in Eve
So let-¦s go plexing - cya in Space, Purple and Orange Stars
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Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:57:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Mutnin wrote:Andre Vauban wrote:Mutnin wrote: ^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
Prime example which includes 2 of you Qcats. http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11987425This is my alt that I use for the blob fights and trying to train Caldari noobers when I have the chance.. ( assume you guys knew being I don't make it a secret in Militia chat and I'm selling it anyway) The other day you guys were in a plex with a DD, Comet and I saw a Jag flying around on scan that I assumed was Gal. There was also a few Gals next door in nemm. I figure what the hell. I have a good in a med plex in a cruiser hull where I have NPC aggro vs a few faction frigs.. Of course faction frigs turn into Cynabal + Vexor.. Jag never showed up so maybe he wasn't with you guys. 2 or 3 other ships entered the plex b4 I died, but weren't on the KM for a proper ganking. Oh btw of course I got jammed with ECM drones while Val was in structure.. I remember that as I was solo in the plex when you came in. And it's our fault how? So guys who are already out in those ships aren't allowed to help copmates/fellow militia cause it would be unfair? This is where I take issue with this kind of thing. You engaged on your own accord. It's not our fault it turn one sided. "Sorry guys....Val is going to lose his DD to a Caracal...it would be unfair if you brought in anything shiney...so just let him die...." Would you have had the same opinion if you had ended up just ganking me in my comet before anyone else had showed up? No, of course not. I entered the plex and chased you way off and val ran off. In fact that was the smack in local saying "oh but you chased Val off in a anti frig Caracal" which obviously justify s the brining cynabal + Vexor and 2 or 3 others that didn't make it on the KM.. I mean hell I brought a Caracal.. Anyway I was responding to yourcorpmate whom said this: [quote=Andre Vauban] ^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:01:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:
Anyway I was responding to yourcorpmate whom said this:
[quote=Andre Vauban]
^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
I would just like to point out the corp tickers of the two pilots you are referring to...
(This is not to attempt to disqualify your points in any way, just a way to placate my OCD :) ) |
Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:07:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Mutnin wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:
Anyway I was responding to yourcorpmate whom said this:
[quote=Andre Vauban]
^ Please call out names of Gall Mil pilots doing this. Many of us are intentionally trying not to over ship and get fights.
I would just like to point out the corp tickers of the two pilots you are referring to...
Well so hes' not in your corp now.. Keep in mind I've been out of game for about 4 months and he was in your corp then. Sorry I haven't kept up with who's who in Militia corps, but I do remember him being in Qcats prior to me taking a EVE vacation. |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:07:00 -
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Not looking to get into a forum pissing match, but this is how I remember it...
I was solo in the comet. You come in with a cruiser and I immediately burn away as I fly caracals and know damn well how effective they can be against frigs.
I'm 70km away (and not in comms) when Val comes in with his DD and goes for point.
Up to this - you still had the advantage against 2 faction frigs - especially with your nuet and me way off. At no time did you go "Val, Cromwell - this is unfair of me to fight this fight with my anti-frig cruiser - let me go reship." Nope, you went for the kill with what you thought was the superior weapon. Unfortunatly, you didn't count on heavier back-up. Neither did I as I thought Val was nuts to go for point against what was obviously an AML caracal.
Once I saw Val go for point - I burn back to try to get my ECM "dishonour" drones on you to help him out. That's when I noticed the back-up.
You then made a comment in local about being overmatched and I politely pointed out that you came in with a cruiser while I was solo in a frig - so therefore it was no different.
It happens. Just this morning I'm plexing in Akidagi solo in my comet. 4 squids run me out with a punisher, griffin, firetail and cormie. Did I complain? Nope. I eneded up dieing as 2 left the plex and went in after the firetail and cormie. Oh well, the cormie had the right setup - was outside my comet's lock range (knew he'd be range fit, but was hoping I'd still be able to target) and therefore my "plan" was quickly countered - lol. That's Eve... |
Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:17:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:Not looking to get into a forum pissing match, but this is how I remember it... I was solo in the comet. You come in with a cruiser and I immediately burn away as I fly caracals and know damn well how effective they can be against frigs. I'm 70km away (and not in comms) when Val comes in with his DD and goes for point. Up to this - you still had the advantage against 2 faction frigs - especially with your nuet and me way off. At no time did you go "Val, Cromwell - this is unfair of me to fight this fight with my anti-frig cruiser - let me go reship." Nope, you went for the kill with what you thought was the superior weapon. Unfortunatly, you didn't count on heavier back-up. Neither did I as I thought Val was nuts to go for point against what was obviously an AML caracal. Once I saw Val go for point - I burn back to try to get my ECM "dishonour" drones on you to help him out. That's when I noticed the back-up. You then made a comment in local about being overmatched and I politely pointed out that you came in with a cruiser while I was solo in a frig - so therefore it was no different. It happens. Just this morning I'm plexing in Akidagi solo in my comet. 4 squids run me out with a punisher, griffin, firetail and cormie. Did I complain? Nope. I eneded up dieing as 2 left the plex and went in after the firetail and cormie. Oh well, the cormie had the right setup - was outside my comet's lock range (knew he'd be raneg fit, but was hoping I'd still be able to target) and therefore my "plan" was quickly countered - lol. That's Eve...
lol 1st off you had no Idea I was packing a neut & web other wise Val would have never came in for the point.. Something that was even comented on in local.
I did expect your "back up" as there were 5 WT's in local and several in nemm. I just hoped that being I sat there waiting for you guys to come back, that you might be inclined to put up a reasonable fight for what I brought and ship accordingly. You were watching the timer just same as I was and I wasn't going anywhere..
This is the point I was making, is that you guys claim to want more GF's but you are only interested in those GF's if you can gank with no risk. Ship down and bring a reasonable response to the targets and you will likely get more GF's..
Think about it, it was a major plex where I was going to be fighting out numbered and you are scared of a caracal that you need to bring a Cynabal and a t1 cruiser that could easily kill a caracal solo?
Anyway, I'm just saying this because you guys claim you want more fights out of Caldari, so I'm showing you why you don't get them. This isn't about a pissing match, I'm just showing you the reality of what you guys bring to a GF.
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Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:26:00 -
[231] - Quote
Not all fights will be fair, Mutnin. You've been around long enough to know this. But that does not mean we do not want a revitalized Cal Mil.
Of frikkin course we're gonna gank the hell out of you when we can. That's the "war" in FW. You guys (Cal Mil) will do it just the same. You'd be a moron if you didn't.
The difference is we're not here complaining about it when it happens to us.
If you want "fair" fights - then arrange them - but you already frowned at that suggestion.
Point is, just because we do not pass up ganks-of-opportunities does not mean we don't want the Cal Mil to "bounce back". You obviously do not (or will not) believe that.
Anyhow.... o7
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:32:00 -
[232] - Quote
Cromwell Savage wrote:The difference is we're not here complaining about it when it happens to us.
You are here merely complaining that you cannot get enough ganks because most people are wise enough to avoid your blob. Am I right?
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Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:34:00 -
[233] - Quote
Cromwell Savage wrote:Not all fights will be fair, Mutnin. You've been around long enough to know this. But that does not mean we do not want a revitalized Cal Mil. Of frikkin course we're gonna gank the hell out of you when we can. That's the "war" in FW. You guys (Cal Mil) will do it just the same. You'd be a moron if you didn't. The difference is we're not here complaining about it when it happens to us. If you want "fair" fights - then arrange them - but you already frowned at that suggestion. Point is, just because we do not pass up ganks-of-opportunities does not mean we don't want the Cal Mil to "bounce back". You obviously do not (or will not) believe that. Anyhow.... o7
Trust me , I'm not complaining about losing a caracal.. I'm just trying to help you understand why you aren't getting GF, but it doesn't seem to be working. So o7 & GL.. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:41:00 -
[234] - Quote
Quote:
Well so hes' not in your corp now.. Keep in mind I've been out of game for about 4 months and he was in your corp then. Sorry I haven't kept up with who's who in Militia corps, but I do remember him being in Qcats prior to me taking a EVE vacation.
If you havent played in a while, I think things might have changed a bit. We get a lot of T1 and small ship fights, or least since I have been back in the last month or so. Since we are in Nenn, and there are lots of squids in Enaluri, we tend to see each other a lot. Here is one recent day I remember. We fought at a medium plex. It was closed by one side or the other. Both sides reshipped. We fought at a small plex, it was closed by one side of the other. People in small ships. Very little faction bling. Pretty even numbers and ship-types in the plex fights. Both sides jumped into each other at one time or the other. Pretty even losses back and forth. This is what makes FW fun, IMHO. (I guess the guys at top on Gal side are Pies? They werent in our multiple plex fights that I recall). Not all fights are fair. Never will be. But we dont go out of our way to outship people either. Anyway - GF guys. These are the type I enjoy.
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11947644
And the milita killboards are dragging. I wonder if its from all the people in this thread. ;) |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:02:00 -
[235] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:The difference is we're not here complaining about it when it happens to us. You are here merely complaining that you cannot get enough ganks because most people are wise enough to avoid your blob. Am I right?
Actually brother Damar....I am not here complaing about anything - except perhaps about your complaining.
I get plenty of kills as there is more to shoot at than squids....
@ Mutnin - - I get your point. I just disagree on what "approach" is needed to jump start/get the Cal Mil rolling again. o7 |
Mjolnir Gost
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
2
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:25:00 -
[236] - Quote
Last night, and I will admit this is not the best example, but it is relavant, so here goes:
Qcats came around looking for a fight. So I traded chat in Enaluri local with them... they asked how many peeps we had active. Well, I had already asked for x's in Intel channels and so that left me and josh active in the whole militia. TWO PVP'ers were active as far as we could tell IN THE ENTIRE MILITIA. at midnightish on a Wed evening. So... there's the issue boys. We're not going to fight 30 man BS gangs (not that there was one last night, just saying) as hopelessly outnumbered as we are RIGHT now.
And this doesn't even count what I call the "Gallente Screw". Say you go to battle 3 Qcats/SPDR, whoever really. Well, guess what, they have guys in neighboring systems and the systems neighboring those and they are talking and fighting together. So you go to fight 3 cats and end up in a hairball of 12+ potentially. It's how it should be, dont get me wrong, that's great... but it's not inspiring fights out of the fewish PvP'ers left in Calmil.
Will things get better? Absolutely. Over night? No way. We are building again and the beast will rise once more. We are working on our end to assure more activity with militia men who want to fight, and keeping communications open with them. We have not been taking fleets out t get slaughtered in the current environment.
One of the Cats asked what they could do to help get the fights healthy again. I honestly couldn't think of anything that moment last night but here:
Guys, go hunt missioners while your PvP'ers come back around. It will disparage the missioners and give the PvP'ers time to train up (the newer ones) without getting omfg blobbed and completely turned off.
Secondly, try to bring fairly even fights. I'm not asking for a fix, or special treatment but I'm not kidding, I think we have maybe 20 PvP'ers left across our entire militia. Love them because they are still trying and dying and fighting when no one else will.
So those are my two iskies. I am looking forward to a speedy recovery.
PS, please stop talking about how we *always* blob you... that was once upon a time and certainly not consistent with current reality.
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EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:41:00 -
[237] - Quote
Dear Dear Dear, it really is a bad day when people read and don't comprehend.
Many years ago, the cycle was Caldari were the largest in number and fleets, and they flew around in BS and logi's fighting pirates as they couldn't get a fight from the gallente.
We, as gallente, had to change tact to covert ops cloaky fags. And nab the BS or Drake that didn't align fast enough. We decloaked, grabbed him, ninja'ed him and warped away 9/10 times to watch the fleet return to stare at the wreck.
I had assumed that as the main pipes were "CROWDED" with pies the cycle had turned right around. Pies hating the gallente blobs and getting good ding dong.
But what has happened, is the Caldari are very very short of pilots, sp and morale.
Gallente are happy living in Nisuwa.. they even plex now - after years of crying how unimportant it was! << THAT ANNOYS ME!
Caldari can't get a fight without heading into a plex, less of which are blue, which makes it even harder. Although never as hard as trying to take a caldari plex I admit that!
Yet there are pirates living happy in Tama and OMS, which maybe the super hot drop problem, but when gallente couldn't get a fight from the caldari we moved in to tama.. Not just a visit BUT GAVE OUR MEMBERS SOMETHING TO DO! Pirates won't fight fair .. its what they do. So live in Tama, make them come to you!
But if your happy have 88 QCats, 146 Spiritus Draconis and 100 SoTF waiting for Caldari to come back you do have a long time to wait!
Its your game, I just think you need new targets. Today most of your kills are non caldari and those that are in high sec. Which is great. But don't preach "GOOD FIGHTS WHERE ARE YOU?" when there are good fights to be had, just not against caldari.
And yes I'm very bored at work and in eve!
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Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
6
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:04:00 -
[238] - Quote
Moral of story stop asking for Good Fights you wonGÇÖt get any from the Caldari Militia has we are effectively on life support. Not that I ever believed the Gals actually care about good fights. IGÇÖm not asking for any special favors since, if I was in their position I would do much worse to the opposing side. Caldari Militia will eventually rebuild itself since the mechanics in game will not let Caldari Militia fail cascade out of existence. I am optimistic that in a few months the Caldari will regain some of its fighting strength. I want the new Caldari Militia to be free of the negative old school players like Damar and company. I donGÇÖt plan on leaving or switch sides like some of the cowards on this thread. I do plan on helping new players and corps get acclimated to Caldari FW. If any new players/corps are reading this thread feel free to message me. This will be the last post on the train wreck of a thread. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
94
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:23:00 -
[239] - Quote
Draco Rosso wrote:I want the new Caldari Militia to be free of the negative old school players like Damar and company.
I....must...resist....no I cannot
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
63
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Posted - 2011.12.30 04:35:00 -
[240] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:Not a problem I guess but the 300 guys in gallente must be getting bored! I know I am! Well, you didnt last long in militia did you? The problem with plexes is that it's wonderful if both sides are equally matched. However, since on that front the numbers are so completely lopsided, it does not matter if someone like Squatdog or me can go and rip apart multiple froggies alone. Short term victory will always be undone by eventual blob which follows.
Poor damar, i dont think he will ever regain a decent mental state after losing his 15-4 player downtime advantage with the plexes on tap.
Not to say that he isnt a good pvp'er. But he did spend the best part of a year pushing the after dt plexes with a 10-15 fleet that would converge on the 2-5 galmil pilots dedicated enough to be on trying to counter him.
As is so common in many other areas of life, we never remember the ganks we dished out, only the ones we recieve. This would seem to apply to damar especially lol. |
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
63
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Posted - 2011.12.30 05:20:00 -
[241] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Its your game, I just think you need new targets. Today most of your kills are non caldari and those that are in high sec. Which is great. But don't preach "GOOD FIGHTS WHERE ARE YOU?" when there are good fights to be had, just not against caldari.
We spend most days plotting to kill pirates. I can only assume that the calibre of pirates around here has improved since fighting them isnt as simple as turning up for a fight.
Like the caldari, the pies have adjusted their game to the larger corps in galmil. Unlike calmil as of yet, the pies have upped their game. Because they have more SP and somehow more resources than your average calmil they have generally very cohesive fleet setups. Feel free to have a go at Snuff Box or Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective. We also spend a lot of time reshipping to counter fleets only to find theyve reshipped to counter our counter lol.
Both these groups, if outclassed and cut off from home will simply jump in carriers and haul their ships directly back home and pod back. While this leads to the occasional smart-bombed pod, nothing really happens.
As for the pies in OMS and on the ked gate in tama. Insta locking t3's after targets of opportunity then rr and deagress with their massive buffers and low sig as soon as they smell a tarp, only to cloak and fly away on the other side can only be countered by massive instant dps of a bridge. We only have so many alts to spring this kind of trap before they just ignore us and/or get eyes in our home system. For example they didnt agress my bait myrm in oms last time i went there.
Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
396
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Posted - 2011.12.30 07:21:00 -
[242] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective.
Weird. Are we fighting the same Shadow Cartel? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.30 09:59:00 -
[243] - Quote
People smacking ... IBS killing ;)
It is about having fun guys ... if u dont have fun out of it .... biomass ur toons IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:14:00 -
[244] - Quote
I ain't leaving or left. My standing is so bad I must leave my corp before DT everyday. Its a pain.
But Plan B is now in operation. Bringing another 3 man corp into the militia was a mistake. Adding more fuel to the fire.
Plan B is slightly different.
But I still am now Caldari through and through and won't be leaving until the killboard looks good. Or I die trying!
I know alot of Caldari won't trust me yet... But that will come, I'm sure after trust will come love, then adoration, then we head to VICTORY! |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
95
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:20:00 -
[245] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:People smacking ... IBS killing ;) It is about having fun guys ... if u dont have fun out of it .... biomass ur toons
My personal objective of 200 kills for the month was fulfilled. Now I'm attempting to get NAERY to be top killer in caldari militia this month. Two days to go and we are 14 kills behind 4horse. May the best corp win
Yes, I'm having fun... |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:21:00 -
[246] - Quote
EVIL SYNNs wrote:I ain't leaving or left. My standing is so bad I must leave my corp before DT everyday. Its a pain.
But Plan B is now in operation. Bringing another 3 man corp into the militia was a mistake. Adding more fuel to the fire.
Plan B is slightly different.
But I still am now Caldari through and through and won't be leaving until the killboard looks good. Or I die trying!
I know alot of Caldari won't trust me yet... But that will come, I'm sure after trust will come love, then adoration, then we head to VICTORY!
did u bring enough nano lube?
come to raka ... we have enough frogs around ... and I have long history of exfrogs in my corp. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
2
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:23:00 -
[247] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:People smacking ... IBS killing ;) It is about having fun guys ... if u dont have fun out of it .... biomass ur toons My personal objective of 200 kills for the month was fulfilled. Now I'm attempting to get NAERY to be top killer in caldari militia this month. Two days to go and we are 14 kills behind 4horse. May the best corp win Yes, I'm having fun...
well we might compete soon ... i just need 4-5 more guys with guns. Targets are not a problem.
good old IBS days ;) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:24:00 -
[248] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:
Its your game, I just think you need new targets. Today most of your kills are non caldari and those that are in high sec. Which is great. But don't preach "GOOD FIGHTS WHERE ARE YOU?" when there are good fights to be had, just not against caldari.
We spend most days plotting to kill pirates. I can only assume that the calibre of pirates around here has improved since fighting them isnt as simple as turning up for a fight. Like the caldari, the pies have adjusted their game to the larger corps in galmil. Unlike calmil as of yet, the pies have upped their game. Because they have more SP and somehow more resources than your average calmil they have generally very cohesive fleet setups. Feel free to have a go at Snuff Box or Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective. We also spend a lot of time reshipping to counter fleets only to find theyve reshipped to counter our counter lol. Both these groups, if outclassed and cut off from home will simply jump in carriers and haul their ships directly back home and pod back. While this leads to the occasional smart-bombed pod, nothing really happens. As for the pies in OMS and on the ked gate in tama. Insta locking t3's after targets of opportunity then rr and deagress with their massive buffers and low sig as soon as they smell a tarp, only to cloak and fly away on the other side can only be countered by massive instant dps of a bridge. We only have so many alts to spring this kind of trap before they just ignore us and/or get eyes in our home system. For example they didnt agress my bait myrm in oms last time i went there. Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol.
You could.. I don't know.... evolve. We found noob alt spies/scouts in Nourv were excellent to catch the de-aggressors. Once they loose 2 or 3 logis they change to put their logis off the gate. Which is even better as you can warp right on top of them. Remember they can't cloak, so if you see that happen I would complain to someone.
Don't fight on stations... and if they bring carriers put out the bat phone and everyone will come running!
But I guess that will come with time.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
4
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:23:00 -
[249] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote: Poor damar, i dont think he will ever regain a decent mental state after losing his 15-4 player downtime advantage with the plexes on tap.
Not to say that he isnt a good pvp'er. But he did spend the best part of a year pushing the after dt plexes with a 10-15 fleet that would converge on the 2-5 galmil pilots dedicated enough to be on trying to counter him.
As is so common in many other areas of life, we never remember the ganks we dished out, only the ones we recieve. This would seem to apply to damar especially lol.
To be fair, it's not like you guys didn't have the man power to fight back against his plexing, you guys just choose not to at the time. Personally I don't blame you because plexing can be very very boring.. TBH the only reason I've even done any lately is because it was undock in enal and go run a plex to maybe get a fight. |
Byron D
No Duck's Allowed
1
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:47:00 -
[250] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Feel free to elaborate on strategies to smash these pies lol.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8409592&nolimit
Strategy right there
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
7
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:52:00 -
[251] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Draco Rosso wrote:To me it looks like you were driven away by your lack of current results in Caldari FW faction warfare space. In fact all those that process that you care about Caldari FW the fight is in Enaluri, where are you? So after lots of time of people saying " We dont want to fight in plexes, go f..k yourself carebear PVE n00b", they would now expect me to return? To an enviroment where back-up is available after filling proper form, posting three copies of it to right government official and after people have ventured into Jita to buy proper ships because having more than 1 pvp ship ready at any time is frowned upon? No thank you. I quite like it in my home-in-exile since I have people here who actually want to pvp, are on comms, can reship to proper sized ships in the two minutes (which is maximum it should take no matter how inexperienced you are) and understand how to fight. If I am such a divisive figure, then you should be happy. You can now organise rest of the people into a proper fighting force without my venemous influence. Or perhaps some of the Caldari should take up my offer and come join my gangs here. They might even learn something. Edit: And yes, there is not enough firepower in Caldari militia to shoot a bunker down. This is not badmouthing or anything. It's pure mathematical fact. Unless you can get mission whores to bring their bombers to bunker, which they wont. If you cannot get enough numbers for your "home system", then how can you expect to get it in any other system?
im confused, you said you would return if things improved on the plexing front (which they have) and now your smacking your own militia stating you will not return to cal/gal space.
why dont you just leave calmil so they dont have to put up with your whining in intel/militia channels and join amarr instead? |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
95
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:39:00 -
[252] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:im confused, you said you would return if things improved on the plexing front (which they have) and now your smacking your own militia stating you will not return to cal/gal space
What you are really saying is: "Some people fight us in plexes despite there not being enough Caldari to bust a bunker should system go vulnerable. I hate your guts and want you here to bring me more targets so I can feel l33t about myself with my million killmail w..re buddies, because I was too lazy to do any plexing while in Caldari militia."
Am I right?
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EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:47:00 -
[253] - Quote
Damar is right for now...
Even if we put a system up to the level of shooting the bunker we would either be standing there for hours shooting it hoping no one sees our bombers doing it. Or just lose when the 30-50 man gallente fleet turn up!
At the moment plexes are best taken to stop the gallente, we are in no position just now for a slug out in the middle of space!
But it won't be like this for ever!
Taking plexes to take systems is beyond our abilities at present! Taking plexes to stop the gallente taking systems has to be our priority. |
Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
63
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:56:00 -
[254] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Shadow Cartel on a good day. You better come correct. Not sure if you have ever fought a fleet who used tengus as logistics on stations and gates, its pretty effective. Weird. Are we fighting the same Shadow Cartel?
Dont get me wrong, they do lol fleets too. They titan bridged 3 thrashers and a cormorant onto our fleet yesterday lol. Have you fought their t3 logistics gang? Its a strong set-up. Weve never properly broken it, though weve waited in a belt for them once and they wouldnt leave the gate lol.
EVIL SYNNs wrote:You could.. I don't know.... evolve. We found noob alt spies/scouts in Nourv were excellent to catch the de-aggressors. Once they loose 2 or 3 logis they change to put their logis off the gate. Which is even better as you can warp right on top of them. Remember they can't cloak, so if you see that happen I would complain to someone.
Don't fight on stations... and if they bring carriers put out the bat phone and everyone will come running!
But I guess that will come with time.
You misread everything i posted.
We dont get frequent intel of pies camping nourv for long enough to make it worth forming up for them. When the t3's deagress they are jumping into tama, or kedama. And cloaking lol.
And when carriers are brought, 9 times out of 10 they are brought to simply haul their ships out of a sticky spot. When they are brought in for combat 9 times out of 10 we kill them. Thats why they dont do it very often. Its hard having a contingency for something htat doesnt happen very often, and when we do we run the risk of being called blobbers by lone caldari that think our fleet is there to capture their lone cloaky caracal.
I guess your expectations of these pirates strategies are out of date. |
EVIL SYNNs
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:11:00 -
[255] - Quote
Nice to see the Galls have no idea how to deal with a decent alliance.
I mean we only had to deal with BYDII and Swigg. They aren't really noobs. But we fought them daily to the point they actually blue'd us to fight squids. You have 140+ members but I guess they pies are step too much! |
Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
63
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:39:00 -
[256] - Quote
So you want us to blue snuffbox and shadow cartel. RGR, well get right on that lol. |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
7
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:19:00 -
[257] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:im confused, you said you would return if things improved on the plexing front (which they have) and now your smacking your own militia stating you will not return to cal/gal space What you are really saying is: " Some people fight us in plexes despite there not being enough Caldari to bust a bunker should system go vulnerable. I hate your guts and want you here to bring me more targets so I can feel l33t about myself with my million killmail w..re buddies, because I was too lazy to do any plexing while in Caldari militia." Am I right?
what im really saying is, you say you will return if more caldari start plexing. more caldari have started plexing and instead of offering to return, your slagging them for being useless. i wouldnt say i hate your guts, its no secret that i dont like you and as for being in black rise so we can kill you, id honestly prefer you were nowhere near us so we dont have to put up with your whining in local. as for too lazy to plex, what part of 'i have no interest in plexing' do you not understand? after dt when you called for fleets, i look after my 4 kids, only real time i get to play eve is after 20:00 eve time when they are in bed and thats when roaming fleets went up which im far more interested in than sitting on a button for 30 minutes.
if you dont understand that then your thicker than i gave you credit for. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
96
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:17:00 -
[258] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:what im really saying is, you say you will return if more caldari start plexing. more caldari have started plexing and instead of offering to return, your slagging them for being useless.
Nope. I wanted cooperation and efficiency. Plexing is fine, bunker busting is better. When or if there is a reasonable assumption of militia being able to call up a bunker busting fleet and destroy bunker in space of 60 minutes, I can return.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
32
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:44:00 -
[259] - Quote
Shocking isnt it that fighting against the FW race with the most pve players, has the least pvp action
Bla bla bla caldari needs a big corp to sort it out, yeah you are all right here, but what 100 man corp whats to help a milita on their own? Sure one might be out there, but it doesnt take a rocket surgeon to work out that supporting a militia which is nearly 90% pve mission running leachs with no interest in anything but making some isk, is worth fighting for at all espessially against pvp blobs that also overship constantly.
Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
96
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:55:00 -
[260] - Quote
Muad 'dib wrote:Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.
Of course this will probably be wrecked soon since it seems froggies cynoed some capitals to Metropolis, conviently within hotdrop range of my new home system. Then again, I have no interest to give any fights to such bunch of wankers like DNleviathan just so they can come and mess with balanced battlefield and decent fights like we had in Arzad today.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
5
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Posted - 2011.12.30 21:10:00 -
[261] - Quote
Muad 'dib wrote:Shocking isnt it that fighting against the FW race with the most pve players, has the least pvp action Bla bla bla caldari needs a big corp to sort it out, yeah you are all right here, but what 100 man corp whats to help a milita on their own? Sure one might be out there, but it doesnt take a rocket surgeon to work out that supporting a militia which is nearly 90% pve mission running leachs with no interest in anything but making some isk, is worth fighting for at all espessially against pvp blobs that also overship constantly. Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp.
Out side help actually happened quite a bit for both side on the Amarr vs Minmatar front and that has helped balance things out IMO when one side was weaker than the other.
Amarr use to get a lot of help including ISK from what I heard from CVA back before Providence fell. CVA also helped them in several engagements back at that time. I'm pretty sure CVA eventually stopped as many Amarr pilots were pirating out in Providence. CVA also allows Amarr Militia members to rat freely in their space giving them very easy access to ISK that was harder to come by for us dedicated FW guys back then. (ie was no FW missions)
CVA still to this day as far as I know offers up it's yearly prize for the Militia member they choose whom helps the Amarr cause the most. This is usually fancy ships or ISK. Not to mention, PIE Inc. whom is still in Amarr Militia was the original founder corp of CVA.
(Minmatar gangs used to do routine providence raids as well, killing anything they could with fast moving frig & cruiser gangs)
On the Minmatar side it was Star Faction whom often fleeted with Minmatar gangs providing support and also war decing many Amarr corps and constantly camped the Amarr station in Kamela. They have since left for other things last I paid attention to that war front.
Electus Matari also gave a significant amount of help to Minmatar militia in form of paying out prize ISK to the guys doing the most plexing against Amarr. They also sent many of their own members or maybe it was one of their corps to the Minmatar Militia to help fight back a very large push against Minmatar space led by Damar at the time.
If I remember correctly there were some shady tactics that allowed him along with the Amarr the ability to take almost all of Minmatar systems very quickly. It wasn't till almost the last system fell that Minmatar were able to fight back and retake their systems largely due to the extra man power of dedicated plexers that EM provided.
For what ever reason there is a much larger RP involvement on the Minmatar vs Amarr front and this includes out side groups that have much more resources than the Militia's themselves. Oddly enough there is very little RP involvement on the Caldari vs Gallente side and almost not involvement from out side groups with the specific task of helping one side or the other.
Closest would maybe be the Intaki guys that were helping Gallernte for a while, as well as occasional pies that seem to be blue with Gals. |
Mjolnir Gost
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
2
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Posted - 2011.12.30 22:20:00 -
[262] - Quote
There are many entities taking advantage of the current condition of Calmil and are working to poach some of our talented pilots out at a crucial time in our history. I see this as a hostile action and it is to say the least unappreciated and shall be remembered. Our current plight is a temporary setback to the state from which we are destined to recover.
As new leadership emerges we are making efforts to rebuild our forces and turn this situation around. It is due to many failed standing policies that Caldari militia is in the state it is right now. We cannot undo what is done but we are looking to the future and prepared to go the distance neccessary to recover what has been stolen from us.
For my part, I will be dead in the last ditch before I see my state in ruins. While tattered and weary, efforts to rebuild our forces have already begun. When the time is fruitful we will make ourselves known once more with a sound, fury and vengeance only befitting the arrogance of the Gallente. The glory of the state is undeniable, unquestioned and above all a sacred truth from which no man may hide.
We must be brave and keep our wits in order to extract the justice due our fallen comrades. We must destroy those that have denied us our lands and bring low the usurpers who walk amongst us. Those capsuleers who wish to see the end of Gallente tyranny will return to the warm embrace or should not consider themselves a citizen. I am now and shall remain a warrior for the glory of Caldari.
Glory to the State, Long Live Caldari.
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Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
11
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Posted - 2011.12.31 02:08:00 -
[263] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote: Of course this will probably be wrecked soon since it seems froggies cynoed some capitals to Metropolis, conviently within hotdrop range of my new home system.
Confirming that those capitals were moved just for you. Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
10
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Posted - 2011.12.31 11:52:00 -
[264] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Amarr/Minnie is pretty ballenced for the most part, similer attendance (minnies have more numbers is very large fights), similer numbers of pvers and some good attitudes to pvp. Of course this will probably be wrecked soon since it seems froggies cynoed some capitals to Metropolis, conviently within hotdrop range of my new home system. Then again, I have no interest to give any fights to such bunch of wankers like DNleviathan just so they can come and mess with balanced battlefield and decent fights like we had in Arzad today.
confirming we moved our capitals to hotdrop your leet station camping frigate gang.
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
96
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Posted - 2011.12.31 12:33:00 -
[265] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:confirming we moved our capitals to hotdrop your leet station camping frigate gang.
Arent we awesome? We can achieve in frigates what you need neutral carriers and t3's to achieve.
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JasonXXL
Spiritus Draconis
5
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Posted - 2011.12.31 13:33:00 -
[266] - Quote
Now I usually don't reply to a Damar post, but since more Caldari have complained about this, I'll take this opportunity to reply to the neutral carrier and t3 complaint.
First, the neutral carriers. Normal game mechanics should flag a neutral carrier as soon as it starts assisting one of the Gallente militia. This might prevent you from shooting it right away, but a triage carrier will in most cases lock and assist a Gallente ship aster than you can lock it in your battleship. However, I have heard that it sometimes takes a while to flag a neutral logistics. Carriers are never used just to evade agression, it's just alts that are available while keeping damage characters in fleet.
Neutral t3's: boosters are always alts, and alts are used for other stuff as well (eg. moving to Jita). That is why boosters tend to be neutral, but certainly not all of them. But seriously, the chance of you catching one is very slim indeed, as it is not meant to stay on grid. Therefore it does not matter a single bit that a booster might be neutral to you. And seriously, look around, the neutral booster is here to stay. People don't want their eyes asociated with their main body to ensure an element of surprise. |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters
5
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Posted - 2011.12.31 13:40:00 -
[267] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote: Arent we awesome? We can achieve in frigates what you need neutral carriers and t3's to achieve.
Bwahahahaha!!!!
An ex-PERV complaining about nuets and alts...
Oh wait....this IS Damar after all....
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
97
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Posted - 2011.12.31 13:40:00 -
[268] - Quote
JasonXXL wrote:random crap.
What part of "neutral carriers helping to camp station" you didnt understand? And yes, i'm referring to Trovarion here.
Of course it's always comedy gold when SP-R people get camped to station. Why, one moaned loudly in local once that "You guys suck, station campers are no-skill noobs", while at the same time Trov was busy ejaculating over the walls of Enaluri V. Such moments of pure comedy are to be well treasured. |
JasonXXL
Spiritus Draconis
5
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:18:00 -
[269] - Quote
So your real complaint is that Trov undocked a carrier, not the fact that is neutral. Yesterday Trov had a non agreed 1v1 on V-station (ruppie vs ruppie) and we had some guys sitting in adjacent systems but why spoil a nice solo fight. Trov was winning and a carrier undocks to rep the hostile rupture (still died btw). I would not liked to be camped by a guy with a carrier waiting to undock, but let's face it, it's not something that is not easy countarable.
And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no.
Simple fact is that both sides use tactics to get an advantage over the other side. That is EVE. Of course, equal fights are more challenging but I doubt many people in EVE and especially not you would frown upon doing some ganking yourself. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
97
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:29:00 -
[270] - Quote
JasonXXL wrote:And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no.
I dont give a rat's ass what you did or didn't do yesterday since I didnt keep my eyes in system after seeing you cyno the capitals in (no doubt for the simple reason you want to put 100 man corp to chase 1 person in hope of "good fites"). The earlier part about being docked referred to SP-R idiots visiting Intaki and taking missions there and then moaning when the undock was camped.
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JasonXXL
Spiritus Draconis
5
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Posted - 2011.12.31 15:01:00 -
[271] - Quote
Okay, so what you are saying then is that you are elite because you can camp in a bomber/mission shitstar with frigs while you are most likely outnumering the camped in target by a fair bit, and you are compleining about the fact that Trov uses a carrier to rep his ship and a booster in a system where he is outnumbered 5 to one very often. I agree Damar, you are elite. |
Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
63
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:51:00 -
[272] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:JasonXXL wrote:And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no. I dont give a rat's ass what you did or didn't do yesterday since I didnt keep my eyes in system after seeing you cyno the capitals in (no doubt for the simple reason you want to put 100 man corp to chase 1 person in hope of "good fites"). The earlier part about being docked referred to SP-R idiots visiting Intaki and taking missions there and then moaning when the undock was camped.
Lol, i remember you trying that to my bombers, i only dock one toon at a time in intaki. If you bring an a thrasher and cnh for some risk free pvp id go and get a harbinger from agoze and force you to dock then undock my other toon lol. I even gave you a gf in local on the last occasion but you didnt reciprocate the pleasantry iirc :)
I remember you undocking a tempest as i left grid. Too slow damar, too slow. |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
10
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Posted - 2011.12.31 17:04:00 -
[273] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:JasonXXL wrote:And I think you are referring to us staying docked while we were moving yesterday. Funny thing about moving is that you probably don't have your stuff in order right away. So, because we were also outnumbered we decided to stay docked intead of welping random ships. Would it have been nicer for you if we undocked? yes. Would it have been smart on our part? no. I dont give a rat's ass what you did or didn't do yesterday since I didnt keep my eyes in system after seeing you cyno the capitals in (no doubt for the simple reason you want to put 100 man corp to chase 1 person in hope of "good fites").
damar still thinks our capitals are here for him lol thats funny |
Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
42
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Posted - 2011.12.31 22:07:00 -
[274] - Quote
Oh my this thread delivers.
/popcorn |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
79
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Posted - 2012.01.01 00:21:00 -
[275] - Quote
Aerilis wrote:Oh my this thread delivers.
/popcorn
Your internet was working long enough to load this thread?
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Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
97
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Posted - 2012.01.01 08:28:00 -
[276] - Quote
Mjolnir Gost wrote:Glory to the State, Long Live Caldari.
But this is where we are for now... (I leave it up to you to imagine who is who...)
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Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
63
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Posted - 2012.01.01 09:05:00 -
[277] - Quote
Damar is the hand grenade!
Happy new year all :) |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
98
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Posted - 2012.01.01 13:08:00 -
[278] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:damar still thinks our capitals are here for him lol thats funny
Looks like all frog militia rejects are piling into Amarr/Minnie front now. Perhaps I should say I am going back to Black Rise now and see how they would inevitably follow me back. Even had spy alt (oh and isnt the amarr militia chat now crawling with them) attempting to get into a fleet today. Fortunately I knew him to be alt of a high-sec camper so he was rapidly kicked.
Later he was attempting to bait people to their deaths by "tackling" enemy ships.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
91
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Posted - 2012.01.01 18:36:00 -
[279] - Quote
Shotgun the noob who gets blown out of that tower |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
22
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Posted - 2012.01.01 20:09:00 -
[280] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:damar still thinks our capitals are here for him lol thats funny Looks like all frog militia rejects are piling into Amarr/Minnie front now. Perhaps I should say I am going back to Black Rise now and see how they would inevitably follow me back. Even had spy alt (oh and isnt the amarr militia chat now crawling with them) attempting to get into a fleet today. Fortunately I knew him to be alt of a high-sec camper so he was rapidly kicked. Later he was attempting to bait people to their deaths by "tackling" enemy ships. im amased you still think this is all about you. no one really gives a rats ass where you are or what your doing. please do move back to black rise. |
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Aerilis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
44
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Posted - 2012.01.01 21:59:00 -
[281] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Aerilis wrote:Oh my this thread delivers.
/popcorn Your internet was working long enough to load this thread? Low blow bro, low blow. |
X Gallentius
CTRL-Q
86
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Posted - 2012.01.01 22:06:00 -
[282] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote: im amased you still think this is all about you. no one really gives a rats ass where you are or what your doing. please do move back to black rise.
I care. After he and his terrorist gf Yuri were exiled from Intaki by Luminaire General Val Erian and the Federation plexing fleets, they traveled with their tails between their legs to the tribal lands of Hed in Minmatar space to seek the protection of those religious fanatics in the Amarr Militia.
From there they are rebuilding their terrorist network and, mark my words, will return stronger than ever in another attempt to take over my homeland!
We will have to drain the swamps, kill the Amarr corporations off one by one until we can get to that b*tch and run her out of low sec space once and for all!
err. wait... wrong forum.
Most things Damar whines about in these threads he and his friends do regularly on the Amarr front. Nothing wrong about it, but just a bit hypocritical.
BTW, Amarr are well-oiled machine all the way from plex warfare, T3 gangs, to titan hotdrops. It'd take a while for the Federation Militia to adjust if they took their show on the road. |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
22
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Posted - 2012.01.02 16:46:00 -
[283] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:[quote=DNLeviathan]
BTW, Amarr are well-oiled machine all the way from plex warfare, T3 gangs, to titan hotdrops. It'd take a while for the Federation Militia to adjust if they took their show on the road.
we are not here to fight amarr, we came here just for damarr |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
95
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Posted - 2012.01.04 07:04:00 -
[284] - Quote
for the sake of entertainment
/bump |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
23
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Posted - 2012.01.04 13:25:00 -
[285] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:for the sake of entertainment
/bump indeed this thread has taken a sour turn since damar made it all about him again |
Commander Lenix
1st MC
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:16:00 -
[286] - Quote
I'd like to shift this back to the OP's question and would like to point out the main reason Cal FW "fails" is because the Gals have something the Squids have not had in a very long time.
Unity.
The Gals have several large corps that work together for the greater good of their militia. Us squids have dozens and dozens of smaller corps fighting among ourselves constantly arguing and bickering over the dumbest things.
Then when you get people who step up and try to fix things they are pissed on and **** on by other people that want the lime light or the power or control over Cal militia. Even though control is an illusion because there is no control in the militia. The only real control is inside the corps, which is the very reason why the Gals are so organized and able to work together better than the squids can.
When my corpmates and I first rejoined FW we had ideas about trying to bring the squids back to the glory days they used to have. But we quickly realized the squids were still doing the same old childish bickering and in-fighting that has been going on for a long time now.
The sad fact is the Squids won't become better until we get more larger corps working together and we stop pissing all over each other.
Until then my corp mates and I will continue doing our own thing. Having a blast every day while we fly solo and have small gang corp roams away from the arguments, blobs and spies that is currently plaguing the majority of Cal FW right now.
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Salicaz
Wolfsbrigade
5
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:15:00 -
[287] - Quote
I've spent a long time in both Caldari and Amarr militias and have been in a couple of significant corps that have had an impact in the respective areas.
All we are seeing is what naturally occurs in the militias. The Caldari are weak atm, the Gallente are strong. But it wasn't always like this. The dominant side always chops and changes. |
Jess Conell
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
5
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:28:00 -
[288] - Quote
Sorry, you-¦re wrong.
Actually Calmil is reorganizing itself. Come and join - or stand besides, your choice. But always remember - it takes time. You can not turn a switch as you make to turn on a light-bulb. It-¦s the path of least resistance to say all are fail, let-¦s make our own thing.
We had not enogh power to engage them in massive Fleets - but we are constantly growing up and engage them in guerilla style - sometimes fruitless , but we don-¦t worry about that. Rome wasn-¦t build in a day and we-¦re actually not Rome but a small village :)
So stop make your own thing, come to Blackrise and fly with the Fleets there going on. Join com-¦s, use the Intel-Channel and feed them.
So we can grown up and change the Balance of Power in that War.
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Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
6
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:08:00 -
[289] - Quote
You guys are so funny to think that the Gallente are organized. We used to be organized when we had the MDP. However, we tried to get really organized and focused, which lead to a lot of drama and hurt feelings. All we do now is share comms and intel channels (with every Corp having an admin), don't shoot each other, blue each other for fleet finder, and generally leave each other the hell alone.
Each of the corps would love to see us be more organized and focused, but each Corp has it's own take on things. We all realize that if it ever happens it will just happen organically over time. Any attempt by any Corp to run things will fail miserably.
This isn't to say the individual corps aren't organized. They are very organized, but in their own unique ways.
TLDR. Squids share comms and an intel channel, blue each other, and otherwise leave each other alone and you'll be fine. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
95
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:32:00 -
[290] - Quote
JasonXXL wrote:Okay, so what you are saying then is that you are elite because you can camp in a bomber/mission shitstar with frigs while you are most likely outnumering the camped in target by a fair bit, and you are compleining about the fact that Trov uses a carrier to rep his ship and a booster in a system where he is outnumbered 5 to one very often. I agree Damar, you are elite.
When was last time when you fought without rr securing your fight? |
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Commander Lenix
1st MC
1
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:17:00 -
[291] - Quote
@ Andre Vauban. I didn't necessary mean Gal milita as a hole is organized. What I meant is Gals have larger corps that do things on a corp level, which , makes their ops more organized. You can get the fleets you want and fly how you want without arguments about proper ship types ect.
I just know that there were times when people like Gavin and Gunny would try to FC and it would take them an hour to get a fleet together because people would argue with them, or ignore the FC and do stupid **** resulting in dumb loses ect. |
Mutnin
Mutineers
43
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:23:00 -
[292] - Quote
Andre Vauban wrote:You guys are so funny to think that the Gallente are organized. We used to be organized when we had the MDP. However, we tried to get really organized and focused, which lead to a lot of drama and hurt feelings. All we do now is share comms and intel channels (with every Corp having an admin), don't shoot each other, blue each other for fleet finder, and generally leave each other the hell alone.
Each of the corps would love to see us be more organized and focused, but each Corp has it's own take on things. We all realize that if it ever happens it will just happen organically over time. Any attempt by any Corp to run things will fail miserably.
This isn't to say the individual corps aren't organized. They are very organized, but in their own unique ways.
TLDR. Squids share comms and an intel channel, blue each other, and otherwise leave each other alone and you'll be fine.
I think it's more along the lines of organized in the fact that when one of you guys yell for help in your intel channel, 15 frogs come a running. With Caldari that's just not happening at the moment as people pretend to be AFK or just don't bother giving intel.
You can have 40-50 people in the Caldari intel channel and it will always be the same "few" people whom give intel or locations of Gal/neut/pie camps with often little but mostly no response. This is in contrast to what it was like maybe 4 months ago when there were a lot of active pilots that didn't pretend to be AFK and a lot more intel was given and actually received/acted on.
As far as joint comms Caldari had that in the past and it worked well, but as of late it's not worth logging on them because no one is there or if they are they are AFK. In the few weeks since I've been back, the most I've even seen on Cal Militia's Mumble was 8 to 10 people at once so I don't even bother logging on it and just do my own thing again.
I do think Caldari are starting to bounce back as yesterday I saw a decent sized T1 cruiser gang flying around (dunno if they killed anything) and today there was a nice faction/assault frig gang rolling around that bagged a few nice kills. As that sort of stuff happens more often activity will soon be back up and you Gals will be back to living in Heyidlies.. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
96
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:19:00 -
[293] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:I saw a decent sized T1 cruiser gang flying around (dunno if they killed anything) and today there was a nice faction/assault frig gang rolling around that bagged a few nice kills. As that sort of stuff happens more often activity will soon be back up and you Gals will be back to living in Heyidlies..
We killed an armor BC gang with our legion of lowskilled caracals, the BC gang even had logi but YORK and his blackbird stopped that |
Mutnin
Mutineers
43
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:53:00 -
[294] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Mutnin wrote:I saw a decent sized T1 cruiser gang flying around (dunno if they killed anything) and today there was a nice faction/assault frig gang rolling around that bagged a few nice kills. As that sort of stuff happens more often activity will soon be back up and you Gals will be back to living in Heyidlies.. We killed an armor BC gang with our legion of lowskilled caracals, the BC gang even had logi but YORK and his blackbird stopped that
hehe nice |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
16
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:40:00 -
[295] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Mutnin wrote:I saw a decent sized T1 cruiser gang flying around (dunno if they killed anything) and today there was a nice faction/assault frig gang rolling around that bagged a few nice kills. As that sort of stuff happens more often activity will soon be back up and you Gals will be back to living in Heyidlies.. We killed an armor BC gang with our legion of lowskilled caracals, the BC gang even had logi but YORK and his blackbird stopped that
Yeah, we saw you guys and tried to get a fleet up, but we only had 4 folks active. Its been good to see you guys and some other new corps out and about lately.
Back to the thread topic - The caldari (and other states too) 'missioner' problem would get largely solved if they fixed them so you cant run level 4s with an inty and SB. People would have to fly real ships and would be interested in intel then. They would also have real risk to running the missions. No reason to pay attention to intel or leave FW if you can fly around in basically an uncatchable ship. Also, cloaky tech 3 cruisers are lame. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
95
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:38:00 -
[296] - Quote
Hrett wrote:Super Chair wrote:Mutnin wrote:I saw a decent sized T1 cruiser gang flying around (dunno if they killed anything) and today there was a nice faction/assault frig gang rolling around that bagged a few nice kills. As that sort of stuff happens more often activity will soon be back up and you Gals will be back to living in Heyidlies.. We killed an armor BC gang with our legion of lowskilled caracals, the BC gang even had logi but YORK and his blackbird stopped that Yeah, we saw you guys and tried to get a fleet up, but we only had 4 folks active. Its been good to see you guys and some other new corps out and about lately. Back to the thread topic - The caldari (and other states too) 'missioner' problem would get largely solved if they fixed them so you cant run level 4s with an inty and SB. People would have to fly real ships and would be interested in intel then. They would also have real risk to running the missions. No reason to pay attention to intel or leave FW if you can fly around in basically an uncatchable ship. Also, cloaky tech 3 cruisers are lame.
It is not about missioners really. If you nerf fw missions people just go to farm something else, not go to pvp or stay as easy target.
FW missions are doing fine, they are taking people out from highsec and that is one of the main reasons for whole fw.
It is possible to kill mission runners but you have to see some effort and that is something FW players do not want to do.
When FW started it was popular because it was easy to join fleets and get some fights. Now there is too much whining about spies etc, it is not easy anymore and people are whining.
You have to look at mirror and think what went wrong. |
JasonXXL
Spiritus Draconis
9
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:00:00 -
[297] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:JasonXXL wrote:Okay, so what you are saying then is that you are elite because you can camp in a bomber/mission shitstar with frigs while you are most likely outnumering the camped in target by a fair bit, and you are compleining about the fact that Trov uses a carrier to rep his ship and a booster in a system where he is outnumbered 5 to one very often. I agree Damar, you are elite. When was last time when you fought without rr securing your fight?
In anything armour tanked that is Bc or up I don't. That is the way my gangs work and how any armour tanked Bc or up gang should work imo.
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Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
8
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:55:00 -
[298] - Quote
Caldari reorganizing its Miltia since 2008, Cowering since 2008 and complaing since.........................2008, dont forget running |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
25
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:40:00 -
[299] - Quote
From an outsiders perspective the problem seems to be a combination of highly polarising personalities such as Damar and Hidden Snake, who have very specific views on how the militia should be doing things and are not particularly diplomatic about how they express those views, the fact that certain caldari LP items are so profitable you get more 'I'm only here for the LP' mission runners than any of the other militias and the simple fact that the caldari militia as a whole has always had a reputation for being **** at pvp even when they were winning.
Individual corps, like Wolfsbrigade for example, have managed to break that rep and get recognition for themselves but I cant think of a single corp currently in CalMil that doesnt have that millstone of the militias overall reputation hanging around their neck. Im hoping theres stuff I'm not seeing because I'm not part of CalMil, would be nice to see them recover and be able to give decent fights again. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
98
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Posted - 2012.01.11 14:15:00 -
[300] - Quote
After spending a couple weeks on holiday down south, I come here to tell you all that the Caldari Militia is doing great - in Amarr space. |
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
23
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:36:00 -
[301] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:After spending a couple weeks on holiday down south, I come here to tell you all that the Caldari Militia is doing great - in Amarr space.
they aint here on holiday, amarr needed more drakes |
FIRST GENERAL
Wolfsbrigade
16
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Posted - 2012.01.12 10:43:00 -
[302] - Quote
Confirming amarr militia needs more drakes.
http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=253180 |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
9
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:10:00 -
[303] - Quote
More Guardians plz |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
128
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:14:00 -
[304] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:From an outsiders perspective the problem seems to be a combination of highly polarising personalities such as Damar and Hidden Snake, who have very specific views on how the militia should be doing things and are not particularly diplomatic about how they express those views.
You do understand that being diplomatic never got any results either so these days I cannot be arsed to sugarcoat my sayings. I've always been a guy who fights over plexes. So when militia CEOs come together and ask for cooperation, this is what usually happens:
Others: We need to work together. Me: I agree. Others: We have these plans to setup coms, fleet doctrine and mutual help to corps. Can we count you along? Me: If you help me plex, sure. Others: ............... Me: so if I help you, will you help me? Others: No we wont, plexing sucks. Me: Well, why should I help you then? Others: Because we are here for pvp! Me: .............. (Convo closes) |
Corporate GrimReaper
The Scope Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:33:00 -
[305] - Quote
Gallente is OP. You cannot deny it. I been hearing the Amarr vs. Minmatar is going to heat and Gallente is going over to Minmatar. Meaning the Gallente might weaken. I think this will OP the Minmatar militia. I do feel sorry for Amarr. All because the Gallente pilots get board with Caldari. The Caldari should have put up a more challenging fight. Now the Amarr is going to suffer? This is the question yet to be answered.
Check this link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=55761&find=unread |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
25
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Posted - 2012.01.13 13:19:00 -
[306] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:From an outsiders perspective the problem seems to be a combination of highly polarising personalities such as Damar and Hidden Snake, who have very specific views on how the militia should be doing things and are not particularly diplomatic about how they express those views. You do understand that being diplomatic never got any results either so these days I cannot be arsed to sugarcoat my sayings. I've always been a guy who fights over plexes. So when militia CEOs come together and ask for cooperation, this is what usually happens: Others: We need to work together. Me: I agree. Others: We have these plans to setup coms, fleet doctrine and mutual help to corps. Can we count you along? Me: If you help me plex, sure. Others: ............... Me: so if I help you, will you help me? Others: No we wont, plexing sucks. Me: Well, why should I help you then? Others: Because we are here for pvp! Me: .............. (Convo closes)
I was pretty sure that was the case but its nice to get confirmation. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
97
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Posted - 2012.01.13 20:32:00 -
[307] - Quote
My personal favorite:
Plexers: We need help in X system, lots of gallente here to fight! Caldari FC: Cool we're on our way *Caldari fleet arrives, gallente run away to reship and get more numbers. Plexers begin capping plexes* Plexers: They'll be back, just stay here for another ten minutes while we secure these, there will be a fight over these plexes. Caldari FC: I'm hearing rumors about 3 pirates gatecamping fifteen jumps away, I'm going to drag my 30 guys over there to see if we can gank them. They surely won't scatter when they see that local spikes. Plexers: ........There's a garunteed fight here. Just wait a couple more minutes. Caldari FC: Feck that, plexing isn't PvP! *Caldari Fleet Leaves* *Two minutes later, 30 gallente spike local, plexers are forced to bail* Caldari FC (Twenty Minutes Later...): Oh hey turns out that there wasn't any pirates there, Did you say something about there being a fight to be had over a plex? Plexers: ........................................... |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
23
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Posted - 2012.01.14 09:33:00 -
[308] - Quote
Super Chair wrote: My personal favorite:
Plexers: We need help in X system, lots of gallente here to fight! Caldari FC: Cool we're on our way *Caldari fleet arrives, gallente run away to reship and get more numbers. Plexers begin capping plexes* Plexers: They'll be back, just stay here for another ten minutes while we secure these, there will be a fight over these plexes. Caldari FC: I'm hearing rumors about 3 pirates gatecamping fifteen jumps away, I'm going to drag my 30 guys over there to see if we can gank them. They surely won't scatter when they see that local spikes. Plexers: ........There's a garunteed fight here. Just wait a couple more minutes. Caldari FC: Feck that, plexing isn't PvP! *Caldari Fleet Leaves* *Two minutes later, 30 gallente spike local, plexers are forced to bail* Caldari FC (Twenty Minutes Later...): Oh hey turns out that there wasn't any pirates there, Did you say something about there being a fight to be had over a plex? Plexers: ...........................................
actually i believe its a bit more like: damar: waah waah waah caldari: what? damar: waah waah caldari: seriously dude, what are you talking about? damar: ffs whine, moan, waah caldari: ok, we are off to find something to do damar: feck this im off to amarr space |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 17:01:00 -
[309] - Quote
Check this one! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
84
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:00:00 -
[310] - Quote
Meh all you Damar haters i dont know what hes done in the past, but so far hes been a real help and good character to have with us on amarr front lines.
Damar somone loves you, okay only a tiny bit but thats worth a mention. |
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
99
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:13:00 -
[311] - Quote
That's not fair. We all love Damar. In fact, the Gallente Militia has named January 29th Damar Day in honor of the day we set him temp blue to help defend our Intaki brothers! |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade
2
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:32:00 -
[312] - Quote
Muad 'dib wrote:Meh all you Damar haters i dont know what hes done in the past, but so far hes been a real help and good character to have with us on amarr front lines.
Damar somone loves you, okay only a tiny bit but thats worth a mention.
This thread is now about loving Damar.
+1 |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
79
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Posted - 2012.01.16 19:36:00 -
[313] - Quote
Might have some thing to do with well...Fascism. How do your RP that? Kinda hard to get out of your bed climb in your pod and fight so some rich dudes can continue to have more money well every one else doesn't. Its kinda lacking, why I'm on this side fighting to bring the Caldari back to the federation they helped found. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
71
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 20:04:00 -
[314] - Quote
Desra Mascani wrote:Check this one!EDIT: Just an addendum to otherwise trolling post. Why does CalMil fail? Look at this damned thread. They have no esprit de corps. You can't expect a bunch of bickering fools like that to succeed. The pic above is tighly connected to that. They had an opportunity to stop the effort to take Iwisoda, because it's next door to Rakapas (which still seems to be the base of some of them) and the system was plexed by hardly a handful of people at any one time. But they don't even care... So as an appeal to potential new CalMil pilots out there: Forget the old fools' poison, build from scratch and CARE. We need some targets that kick back.
Not bad. But the real reason the Caldari militia is horrible is because Gallente buns look better than Squids. Proof --> http://iamsheriff.com/rebecca-gallente.jpg . |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 21:22:00 -
[315] - Quote
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Might have some thing to do with well...Fascism. How do your RP that? Kinda hard to get out of your bed climb in your pod and fight so some rich dudes can continue to have more money well every one else doesn't. Its kinda lacking, why I'm on this side fighting to bring the Caldari back to the federation they helped found.
Of course, working for Tibus Heth (aka space H i t l e r) does not help the morale. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
129
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 23:41:00 -
[316] - Quote
Muad 'dib wrote:Meh all you Damar haters i dont know what hes done in the past, but so far hes been a real help and good character to have with us on amarr front lines.
Mainly i've been target of Gallente players constant bombardment of spam evemail, death threats and pedophile accusations. Sanctioned by most of their major corporations but it's ok in their opinion since they are "the casual side who does not take things too seriously since it's just a game". They also wonder loudly why people who are target of such attacks cannot be nice and cordial to them in local chat. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
106
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 03:45:00 -
[317] - Quote
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Might have some thing to do with well...Fascism. How do your RP that? Kinda hard to get out of your bed climb in your pod and fight so some rich dudes can continue to have more money well every one else doesn't. Its kinda lacking, why I'm on this side fighting to bring the Caldari back to the federation they helped found.
The number of rpers in the militas make up maybe 2%, 3% are pvpers and the rest are alts.
Edit: The rp'ers pvp as well, but the other guys just like killing **** no back story. Theres alot of "Its not me shoot it" going on. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
121
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Posted - 2012.01.17 03:51:00 -
[318] - Quote
Confirming that since Damar came to Amarr, things have been looking up!!! There are some other reasons such as other corps have also gotten their stuff together and corps like Wolfsbrigade have joined, but since this is a Damar love thread, we won't mention that WE LOVE YOU DAMAR!!!!
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
86
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 06:27:00 -
[319] - Quote
Good times, bad times ... Ibs is having fun. Stop whinning ... Start flying .... Based on number of active pilots (5-6) we outnumber all Cali killwise(and we plexing for plexing moarners).
Problem of Cali is as allways too much words ... Howgh!
Ps: damar is special but good chap ....
Pps: pirates can be friends too btw. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
24
|
Posted - 2012.01.18 11:15:00 -
[320] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Meh all you Damar haters i dont know what hes done in the past, but so far hes been a real help and good character to have with us on amarr front lines. Mainly i've been target of Gallente players constant bombardment of spam evemail, death threats and pedophile accusations. Sanctioned by most of their major corporations but it's ok in their opinion since they are "the casual side who does not take things too seriously since it's just a game". They also wonder loudly why people who are target of such attacks cannot be nice and cordial to them in local chat.
blah blah blah, dry your eyes mate and sing a different song |
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Mister Swift
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:41:00 -
[321] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:Problem of Cali is as allways too much words ... Howgh! Translation: Less Q.Q more pew pew! |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
31
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:44:00 -
[322] - Quote
Back to original question: "Why does caldari militia fail? Your viewsplease "
Answer: because of drake |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
129
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:55:00 -
[323] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:blah blah blah, dry your eyes mate and sing a different song
Big words coming from person who shows his maturity by putting "lol you died again" to all of my losses on Eve-kill, don't you think?
Also, I really don't think that killing my scorpion in Siseide somehow makes up for losing four capitals like your comments seem to indicate but I assume we have entirely different values in this regard
(To educate people, price for Scorpion is around 60m, while Revelation goes for 1.7b. So math according to DNleviathan here proves without shadow of a doubt that Scorpion is more expensive)
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
24
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:38:00 -
[324] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:blah blah blah, dry your eyes mate and sing a different song Big words coming from person who shows his maturity by putting "lol you died again" to all of my losses on Eve-kill, don't you think? Also, I really don't think that killing my scorpion in Siseide somehow makes up for losing four capitals like your comments seem to indicate but I assume we have entirely different values in this regard (To educate people, price for Scorpion is around 60m, while Revelation goes for 1.7b. So math according to DNleviathan here proves without shadow of a doubt that Scorpion is more expensive)
lmao where did you learn to read? nowhere have i compared a scorp to a capital and certainly not suggested that killing a single scorp would make up for losing 1 (let alone 4) capitals.
here are the comments on the km you refer to - DNLeviathan lol you dead, you should have cooled the overheat with your tears
DNLeviathan lost pod to lagfest from that blobbing you hate so much. so not only do you blob, you also station camp and traitorously fly gallente ships. the tears flow strong from you
is it just me or is there zero referneces to capitals at all?
your failing hard bro, keep the tears coming |
DaDudeinDump
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 02:12:00 -
[325] - Quote
My take on why cal militia is doing bad?
- Not enough pilots willing to X - Too many gal's to shoot us down - Lack of FCs I'm working on being one, can't really get behind or fly bigger ships yet, so I practice on my corp.
Can we keep this thread on topic? It was a good read until it turned into everyone hating on Damar. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2012.01.19 02:43:00 -
[326] - Quote
Not enough Xs? Solo roam in a frig or dessie. S'what I do when it's dead. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
96
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 02:57:00 -
[327] - Quote
Hating Damar and dissing him in everywhere is old gallente tactic to make no one helps him, because plexing is not pvp etc goes for same mantra.
Sad part is that it has never worked because Damar has balls to be what he want to be, not to please others to get internet "friends", Damar can be also polite to those who really earns his respect. |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 03:03:00 -
[328] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Hating Damar and dissing him in everywhere is old gallente tactic to make no one helps him, because plexing is not pvp etc goes for same mantra.
Sad part is that it has never worked because Damar has balls to be what he want to be, not to please others to get internet "friends", Damar can be also polite to those who really earns his respect.
You mean he wants to be a huge nerd living most of his out-of-work life in a game? But I digress.... Sorry about that.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
96
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 03:09:00 -
[329] - Quote
Desra Mascani wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Hating Damar and dissing him in everywhere is old gallente tactic to make no one helps him, because plexing is not pvp etc goes for same mantra.
Sad part is that it has never worked because Damar has balls to be what he want to be, not to please others to get internet "friends", Damar can be also polite to those who really earns his respect. You mean he wants to be a huge nerd living most of his out-of-work life in a game? But I digress.... Sorry about that.
I do not speak for Damar, but if wants to be "huge nerd living most of his out-of-work life in a game" he does it without thinking what you think about it.
That is the point, he does not care what you think about, he has ball to be what ever he wants, but that is something you will never understand it seems. |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
24
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 08:46:00 -
[330] - Quote
DaDudeinDump wrote:My take on why cal militia is doing bad?
- Not enough pilots willing to X - Too many gal's to shoot us down - Lack of FCs I'm working on being one, can't really get behind or fly bigger ships yet, so I practice on my corp.
Can we keep this thread on topic? It was a good read until it turned into everyone hating on Damar. this thread only went that way because damar as usual tried to make everything fw about him. he then tries to smack about it and fails miserably with blatent lies and downright stupidity |
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
91
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:51:00 -
[331] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Hating Damar and dissing him in everywhere is old gallente tactic to make no one helps him, because plexing is not pvp etc goes for same mantra.
Sad part is that it has never worked because Damar has balls to be what he want to be, not to please others to get internet "friends", Damar can be also polite to those who really earns his respect.
hey ... they hate me too ...
... and where is my hate defender thread?
actualy smack hate and hypocricy is old gal tactics ... funny is that caldari defectors adopted same tactics too ...
... ok fueling the flame with some extra gas ... ;)
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:33:00 -
[332] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:
actualy smack hate and hypocricy is old gal tactics ... funny is that caldari defectors adopted same tactics too ...
... ok fueling the flame with some extra gas ... ;)
want to know the reason why i started hating on damar? its rather simple. damar started hating on me because i told him i did not have time to plex right before and after dt due to real life (4 kids can keep you busy). when he asked why people dont plex to get fights, i stated its because most people in calmil dont want to sit on a button for 30 minutes in the hopes of getting a fight. the result = damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
130
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 12:27:00 -
[333] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages
No, I hate you because you are a Gallente (even though you might have a red jersey now). Nothing else really factors in to it.
Also, if you have wife and kids around, I wonder why you actually log to game while apparently tending their needs at the same time? Many times you said your family takes your take and right afterwards you copy/paste stuff from hostile militia chat and laugh about it on intel channels.
If I have rl stuff going on, I don't log in just for sake of being online (maybe to put hauler alt to autopilot 30j trip but that's about it)
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DNLeviathan
Spiritus Draconis
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:36:00 -
[334] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages No, I hate you because you are a Gallente (even though you might have a red jersey now). Nothing else really factors in to it. so what about the hating while i was still in calmil? again your failing hard bro |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:45:00 -
[335] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages No, I hate you because you are a Gallente (even though you might have a red jersey now). Nothing else really factors in to it. so what about the hating while i was still in calmil? again your failing hard bro
Nobody in the Miltia has the sack to force people to train for certian ships, 3 basi's with some drakes and rooks = one raging Gallente man. If they wanna go nano? shield scimi's with lach support and loki boosts, if they sensor damp those scimi have dedicated remote sebo scipted targeting range, God I would make an exclenent Chef for the squids |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:46:00 -
[336] - Quote
Give me a 15 active man corp that will listen :3 |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
96
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:09:00 -
[337] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages No, I hate you because you are a Gallente (even though you might have a red jersey now). Nothing else really factors in to it. so what about the hating while i was still in calmil? again your failing hard bro Nobody in the Miltia has the sack to force people to train for certian ships, 3 basi's with some drakes and rooks = one raging Gallente man. If they wanna go nano? shield scimi's with lach support and loki boosts, if they sensor damp those scimi have dedicated remote sebo scipted targeting range, God I would make an exclenent Chef for the squids
You think that is something new? |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
96
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 17:11:00 -
[338] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:Damar Rocarion wrote:DNLeviathan wrote:damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages No, I hate you because you are a Gallente (even though you might have a red jersey now). Nothing else really factors in to it. so what about the hating while i was still in calmil? again your failing hard bro
Truth is that you can see from people what they are before they do what they do like you did.
You were not loyal Caldari, so no respect for you, I still understand your decision to take easiest route. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
91
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:24:00 -
[339] - Quote
DNLeviathan wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:
actualy smack hate and hypocricy is old gal tactics ... funny is that caldari defectors adopted same tactics too ...
... ok fueling the flame with some extra gas ... ;)
want to know the reason why i started hating on damar? its rather simple. damar started hating on me because i told him i did not have time to plex right before and after dt due to real life (4 kids can keep you busy). when he asked why people dont plex to get fights, i stated its because most people in calmil dont want to sit on a button for 30 minutes in the hopes of getting a fight. the result = damar hates on me because i dont play fw the way he wanted me to and i put my wife and kids before eve online. so as you can see, damar started the hating on me and im all too happy to continue extracting his tears and emorages
funny did not speak about u ... but if u wanna check in ... take a line ;)
BTW it is easy to hate anyone in eve ... really ... ;))) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
27
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:49:00 -
[340] - Quote
perhaps you guys could take the dramallamadingdong somewhere else so we can actually have a discussion as opposed to a shitposting spamfest. |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
65
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:58:00 -
[341] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:
Nobody in the Miltia has the sack to force people to train for certian ships, 3 basi's with some drakes and rooks = one raging Gallente man. If they wanna go nano? shield scimi's with lach support and loki boosts, if they sensor damp those scimi have dedicated remote sebo scipted targeting range, God I would make an exclenent Chef for the squids
I'm actually way ahead of you but went about it a different route. Instead of recruiting all the bitter vets that want to do everything their way, I'm recruiting new guys that want to learn how to PVP. Scimis & Basi's are way off but I'm slowly building up a little Drake Army.
Starting with mostly new guys is of course resulting in a not so lovely kill to death ratio for our little corp KB. There is already a few LOL's up there, but I'm pretty sure as we get the new guys up to speed results will start to show a bit better. The biggest problem is getting new guys up to speed on the training and why they should fit their ships a specific way vs what ever they happened to come up with or read on battleclinic.
So far most of them have been very open to training to fit the ship fits that we need, but it would be 10 times easier to do this in Minmatar Militia vs Caldari. Simply because as Caldari we pretty much have to avoid frigs because Kestral isn't gonna do much as a missile platform with a new piliot.. We can't use the Corm because it requires gun skills which leaves us with Caracals & Drakes, which is kinda frustrating due to limited amount of ship types we can get the new guys into.
With winmatar we could of gone Rifter, Thrasher, Rupture,Stabber, Hurricane, Tornado with the new guys and had a much more effective range of ships to use. I tend to think that Caldari's limited amount of useful ships tends to be part of the reason Caldari has issues because to have effective cruiser & frig gangs we pretty much have to have the guys cross train to Minmatar to use the Thrasher & Rupture.
Gallentte actually have a similar situation but it's slightly reversed. They have a decent range of very effective frigs & Cruisers but BC's aren't the best for gangs. The Myrm is still a workable small gang ship, but It's not going to compare to a gang of Drakes much like a gang of Caracals would never compare to a Gang of Thoraxs or Vexors. |
Boyd Achura
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:09:00 -
[342] - Quote
Mutnin wrote: So far most of them have been very open to training to fit the ship fits that we need, but it would be 10 times easier to do this in Minmatar Militia vs Caldari. Simply because as Caldari we pretty much have to avoid frigs because Kestral isn't gonna do much as a missile platform with a new piliot.. We can't use the Corm because it requires gun skills which leaves us with Caracals & Drakes, which is kinda frustrating due to limited amount of ship types we can get the new guys into.
With winmatar we could of gone Rifter, Thrasher, Rupture,Stabber, Hurricane, Tornado with the new guys and had a much more effective range of ships to use. I tend to think that Caldari's limited amount of useful ships tends to be part of the reason Caldari has issues because to have effective cruiser & frig gangs we pretty much have to have the guys cross train to Minmatar to use the Thrasher & Rupture.
Gallentte actually have a similar situation but it's slightly reversed. They have a decent range of very effective frigs & Cruisers but BC's aren't the best for gangs. The Myrm is still a workable small gang ship, but It's not going to compare to a gang of Drakes much like a gang of Caracals would never compare to a Gang of Thoraxs or Vexors.
This. You're bang-on corect about the lack of linear subcap progression.
I started my training with hybrids because I knew I needed to start small with the merlin. It took me over a year to realize that this was leading me down a path of most resistance, and I still don't feel there is a lot of momentum behind these ships after the hybrid buff due to their ship-specific issues (most of them plagued by speed and fitting issues).
It's one of those things that pilots who didn't "grow up," on caldari (or gallente) really do not consider, but it makes all the difference when you're under 20-30mil sp and trying to train for workable gang ships/fits. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:18:00 -
[343] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Gallentte actually have a similar situation but it's slightly reversed. They have a decent range of very effective frigs & Cruisers but BC's aren't the best for gangs. The Myrm is still a workable small gang ship, but It's not going to compare to a gang of Drakes much like a gang of Caracals would never compare to a Gang of Thoraxs or Vexors.
I fully agree with you except for this point: I would readily take a gang of caracals for their damage projection over a gang of thorax's or vexors, for the same reason you'd take a gang of drakes over a gang of myrms.
Gang: 5-10+ |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
126
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:02:00 -
[344] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Mutnin wrote:Gallentte actually have a similar situation but it's slightly reversed. They have a decent range of very effective frigs & Cruisers but BC's aren't the best for gangs. The Myrm is still a workable small gang ship, but It's not going to compare to a gang of Drakes much like a gang of Caracals would never compare to a Gang of Thoraxs or Vexors. I fully agree with you except for this point: I would readily take a gang of caracals for their damage projection over a gang of thorax's or vexors, for the same reason you'd take a gang of drakes over a gang of myrms. Gang: 5-10+
And most people were so hostile to the idea of drakes initially. Forming a drake fleet with the intention of having projected dps had reactions such as "I could have f*cked your mom and come back before my missiles land" and they argued about it. Said individual was kicked from fleet and wardecced later on Now drakes are considered "good" ships by just about everyone and "overpowered" by others.
Speaking of caracals, just watch chatgris...just you watch.... |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
96
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:45:00 -
[345] - Quote
HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia. |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
14
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:31:00 -
[346] - Quote
Just shoot the bitter Vets until they get the sacks back together |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
128
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:46:00 -
[347] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia.
Woah now, I love the caracal and have been flying it for years. It's just a chore of getting everyone else to fly them. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
98
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:18:00 -
[348] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia. Woah now, I love the caracal and have been flying it for years. It's just a chore of getting everyone else to fly them.
In medium plexes caracal is one the best t1 cruisers, with light missiles it has about 50m range, it can chase away or kill tacklers and it can stay out of enemy range mostly and it has decent tank.
So it is always on optimal when you go in plex.
Also Caldari militia could built drake fleet on no time by using same method than draketrain did. experienced pilots who have skills fly scimitars, lachesis, rapier and command ship boost, newer players fly drakes. Then you use nano tactics to stay away from enemy tackle and dps. MWD for all, even for scimitars who try to be as far as possible from enemy , still able to remote rep ofc.
By keeping range you do not have to usually tank so much dps, ofc this is always dependable what enemy flies, Drake fleet has it counters. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
92
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:43:00 -
[349] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Super Chair wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia. Woah now, I love the caracal and have been flying it for years. It's just a chore of getting everyone else to fly them. In medium plexes caracal is one the best t1 cruisers, with light missiles it has about 50m range, it can chase away or kill tacklers and it can stay out of enemy range mostly and it has decent tank. So it is always on optimal when you go in plex. Also Caldari militia could built drake fleet on no time by using same method than draketrain did. experienced pilots who have skills fly scimitars, lachesis, rapier and command ship boost, newer players fly drakes. Then you use nano tactics to stay away from enemy tackle and dps. MWD for all, even for scimitars who try to be as far as possible from enemy , still able to remote rep ofc. By keeping range you do not have to usually tank so much dps, ofc this is always dependable what enemy flies, Drake fleet has it counters.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
66
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:34:00 -
[350] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Mutnin wrote:Gallentte actually have a similar situation but it's slightly reversed. They have a decent range of very effective frigs & Cruisers but BC's aren't the best for gangs. The Myrm is still a workable small gang ship, but It's not going to compare to a gang of Drakes much like a gang of Caracals would never compare to a Gang of Thoraxs or Vexors. I fully agree with you except for this point: I would readily take a gang of caracals for their damage projection over a gang of thorax's or vexors, for the same reason you'd take a gang of drakes over a gang of myrms. Gang: 5-10+
Keep in mind I'm talking a gang consisting of low skilled players. While a high skilled player can fit somewhat decent HML Caracal with new guys they are likely stuck with T1 assaults which means they can't get the higher damage T2 light assault missiles. For this reason a gang of Thoraxs is far better if you figure the ships would be mostly fit T1.
As far as High skilled players I'd take a gang of Vexors over even Ruptures. |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
66
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:39:00 -
[351] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Super Chair wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia. Woah now, I love the caracal and have been flying it for years. It's just a chore of getting everyone else to fly them. In medium plexes caracal is one the best t1 cruisers, with light missiles it has about 50m range, it can chase away or kill tacklers and it can stay out of enemy range mostly and it has decent tank. So it is always on optimal when you go in plex. Also Caldari militia could built drake fleet on no time by using same method than draketrain did. experienced pilots who have skills fly scimitars, lachesis, rapier and command ship boost, newer players fly drakes. Then you use nano tactics to stay away from enemy tackle and dps. MWD for all, even for scimitars who try to be as far as possible from enemy , still able to remote rep ofc. By keeping range you do not have to usually tank so much dps, ofc this is always dependable what enemy flies, Drake fleet has it counters.
Not everyone fights in plexes..where you are dictating the range right from the start. The most common place fights happen are around gates which usually means very close range combat.. This is bad news for Caracals when facing other T1 cruisers like Ruptures, Vexors or Thoraxs. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
98
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:06:00 -
[352] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Super Chair wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia. Woah now, I love the caracal and have been flying it for years. It's just a chore of getting everyone else to fly them. In medium plexes caracal is one the best t1 cruisers, with light missiles it has about 50m range, it can chase away or kill tacklers and it can stay out of enemy range mostly and it has decent tank. So it is always on optimal when you go in plex. Also Caldari militia could built drake fleet on no time by using same method than draketrain did. experienced pilots who have skills fly scimitars, lachesis, rapier and command ship boost, newer players fly drakes. Then you use nano tactics to stay away from enemy tackle and dps. MWD for all, even for scimitars who try to be as far as possible from enemy , still able to remote rep ofc. By keeping range you do not have to usually tank so much dps, ofc this is always dependable what enemy flies, Drake fleet has it counters. Not everyone fights in plexes..where you are dictating the range right from the start. The most common place fights happen are around gates which usually means very close range combat.. This is bad news for Caracals when facing other T1 cruisers like Ruptures, Vexors or Thoraxs.
Not really bad news, but you have take range at the start and try to dictate it in the end, some may go down, but rest should be able to clear the field. Caracal with light missiles has quite much tank as t1 cruiser. Jumping trough gate to camp usually makes your starting point out of scram range so there should be no problem to take range.
Thoraxes may be quite challenging these days after boost, because rail thorax could be valid option.
Dictating range is always important thing , no matter where combat happens, you should always be in the range that favors your setup.
Edit: Caracal has it weak points too, caracals cap runs out quite fast on burning with mwd so that may be the problem in the end. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:13:00 -
[353] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Mutnin wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Super Chair wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:HAHA!
This is really hilarious, you are trying to figure out fleet setups with drakes and caracals which some people have use years effectively.
I have to admit that now i have lost all hope for Caldari militia. Woah now, I love the caracal and have been flying it for years. It's just a chore of getting everyone else to fly them. In medium plexes caracal is one the best t1 cruisers, with light missiles it has about 50m range, it can chase away or kill tacklers and it can stay out of enemy range mostly and it has decent tank. So it is always on optimal when you go in plex. Also Caldari militia could built drake fleet on no time by using same method than draketrain did. experienced pilots who have skills fly scimitars, lachesis, rapier and command ship boost, newer players fly drakes. Then you use nano tactics to stay away from enemy tackle and dps. MWD for all, even for scimitars who try to be as far as possible from enemy , still able to remote rep ofc. By keeping range you do not have to usually tank so much dps, ofc this is always dependable what enemy flies, Drake fleet has it counters. Not everyone fights in plexes..where you are dictating the range right from the start. The most common place fights happen are around gates which usually means very close range combat.. This is bad news for Caracals when facing other T1 cruisers like Ruptures, Vexors or Thoraxs. Not really bad news, but you have take range at the start and try to dictate it in the end, some may go down, but rest should be able to clear the field. Caracal with light missiles has quite much tank as t1 cruiser. Jumping trough gate to camp usually makes your starting point out of scram range so there should be no problem to take range. Thoraxes may be quite challenging these days after boost, because rail thorax could be valid option. Dictating range is always important thing , no matter where combat happens, you should always be in the range that favors your setup. Edit: Caracal has it weak points too, caracals cap runs out quite fast on burning with mwd so that may be the problem in the end.
Rail Thorax is a very viable option now.
(I cant for the life of me figure out how to get EVEHQ to export a fit to the clipboard. Does anyone know how?)
I am still fiddling with the lows, but this is what I have been flying around as a solo plexing ship recently. Unlike my other blaster Thoraxii, this fit will actually survive multiple pvp engagements. Its also good bait for small gangs, because people still try to primary you and you can outrun them. Its a nice little gang dps and tackle ship and does ok solo. I had a shield tank arazu in low armor before his tempest buddy came in and alphaed me because I wasnt watching short scan... It also absolutely destroys medium plexes solo. You will have to turn on your repper once on the last wave for one cycle. (And you can get the exact same dps performance out of an ENI fit the same way, except the ENI is ~500m/s faster under MWD).
5x200mm II
MWD, Long point, TCII
MARII Nanofiber or Overdrive Adaptive Nano Plating II MFS II DC II
ACR Hybrid Collision or Metastis (the tracking one) CCC or SMC
~1710 m/s or 2439 with heat.
Does ~350 dps out to long point range (18+14) with Fed Plutonium and light drones. 375 with Valk drones. Does ~240 dps out to lock range (40+14) with Fed Tungsten and light drones, more with Valks. ~250 dps (55+16) with Spike if you are fighting targets above frigate size.
And with the 5 second reload time, it is worth carrying both spike and Javelin now. Javelin really outperforms AM at close range now (because of the tracking buff for Javelin).
I dont fly Caracals or Stabbers, so I dont know how this compares, but I would guess it they are in the same league... |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
66
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:49:00 -
[354] - Quote
Hrett wrote:
Rail Thorax is a very viable option now.
(EDIT - Found it thanks to Vessper. Thank you!)
I am still fiddling with the lows, but I have been flying a 200mm rail thorax around as a solo plexing ship recently. Unlike my other blaster Thoraxii, it will actually survive multiple pvp engagements. Its also good bait for small gangs, because people still try to primary you and you can outrun them. Its a nice little gang dps and tackle ship and does ok solo. I had a shield tank arazu in low armor before his tempest buddy came in and alphaed me because I wasnt watching short scan... It also absolutely destroys medium plexes solo. You will have to turn on your repper once on the last wave for one cycle. (And you can get the exact same dps performance out of an ENI fit the same way, except the ENI is ~500m/s faster under MWD).
Does ~350 dps out to long point range (18+14) with Fed Plutonium and light drones. 375 with Valk drones. Does ~240 dps out to lock range (40+14) with Fed Tungsten and light drones, more with Valks. ~250 dps (55+16) with Spike if you are fighting targets above frigate size.
I dont fly Caracals or Stabbers, so I dont know how this compares, but I would guess they are in the same league...
The Caracal just doesn't have grid to really fit much to even compare with the stats of your Rail Thorax. If you fit T2 HML's you can get roughly 300 DPS. If you fit T2 HAM's you can get just over 400DPS which sounds fine ... except you can pretty much only fit a MWD unless you use both your lows for fitting mods and possible rig spots as well.
This means to get anything somewhat useful using med launchers you have to use T1 meta or drop a launcher which takes away from your already pitiful DPS in a Cruiser size hull. The Caracal simply does not have the power grid to fit Med weapons on a "useful" set up.
It pretty much makes the Caracal a 1 trick Pony meaning the only real viable fits are Light Assault missiles. Despite what BM or whom ever might say as to how great the Caracal is.. I really doubt you will see many 1v1 cruiser kills on their KB's where they were the victor using a Caracal. (ok I'm sure they have probably killled some noob at sometime in one but reality is the Caracal is only a 1 trick pony of anti frig killer or fleet support in a gang)
Meanwhile look at the range of fittings you can do with a Vexor, Thorax or Rupture.. All can fit their native "med" weapon systems + fit damage mods, MWD & tank.
Example a all level V char in a Rupture ends up with 1075 power grid.. Thorax has 1025.. Meanwhile that same char in a Caracal ends up with 662.5 power grid. This makes it next to impossible to fit out a useful med weapon system. With out gimping your entire fit with power upgrades. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
98
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:02:00 -
[355] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Hrett wrote:
Rail Thorax is a very viable option now.
(EDIT - Found it thanks to Vessper. Thank you!)
I am still fiddling with the lows, but I have been flying a 200mm rail thorax around as a solo plexing ship recently. Unlike my other blaster Thoraxii, it will actually survive multiple pvp engagements. Its also good bait for small gangs, because people still try to primary you and you can outrun them. Its a nice little gang dps and tackle ship and does ok solo. I had a shield tank arazu in low armor before his tempest buddy came in and alphaed me because I wasnt watching short scan... It also absolutely destroys medium plexes solo. You will have to turn on your repper once on the last wave for one cycle. (And you can get the exact same dps performance out of an ENI fit the same way, except the ENI is ~500m/s faster under MWD).
Does ~350 dps out to long point range (18+14) with Fed Plutonium and light drones. 375 with Valk drones. Does ~240 dps out to lock range (40+14) with Fed Tungsten and light drones, more with Valks. ~250 dps (55+16) with Spike if you are fighting targets above frigate size.
I dont fly Caracals or Stabbers, so I dont know how this compares, but I would guess they are in the same league...
The Caracal just doesn't have grid to really fit much to even compare with the stats of your Rail Thorax. If you fit T2 HML's you can get roughly 300 DPS. If you fit T2 HAM's you can get just over 400DPS which sounds fine ... except you can pretty much only fit a MWD unless you use both your lows for fitting mods and possible rig spots as well. This means to get anything somewhat useful using med launchers you have to use T1 meta or drop a launcher which takes away from your already pitiful DPS in a Cruiser size hull. The Caracal simply does not have the power grid to fit Med weapons on a "useful" set up. It pretty much makes the Caracal a 1 trick Pony meaning the only real viable fits are Light Assault missiles. Despite what BM or whom ever might say as to how great the Caracal is.. I really doubt you will see many 1v1 cruiser kills on their KB's where they were the victor using a Caracal. (ok I'm sure they have probably killled some noob at sometime in one but reality is the Caracal is only a 1 trick pony of anti frig killer or fleet support in a gang) Meanwhile look at the range of fittings you can do with a Vexor, Thorax or Rupture.. All can fit their native "med" weapon systems + fit damage mods, MWD & tank. Example a all level V char in a Rupture ends up with 1075 power grid.. Thorax has 1025.. Meanwhile that same char in a Caracal ends up with 662.5 power grid. This makes it next to impossible to fit out a useful med weapon system. With out gimping your entire fit with power upgrades.
Caldari ships are not usually good solo pvp ships, but in small gang caracal is good.
Example if you want to fight against rail thorax you should stay as far as possible so long you can, kill his drones maybe first and then decide to bail or not.
On plex fights you do not have to keep people pointed all the time because idea is to hold ground on timer. If enemy warps away you achieved victory on plexing view point. If enemy want to win plex they have stay on timer so you have to chase them away or kill them. For that caracal is quite good.
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Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
14
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:17:00 -
[356] - Quote
Caldari isnt a mitlia, its a missioning coaltion, Damar/Bad deliveryman can confirm |
Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace Black Watch.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:02:00 -
[357] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:Caldari isnt a mitlia, its a missioning coaltion, Damar/Bad deliveryman can confirm From the killboard, you could argue it is an expeditionary force to the other warzone. Currently trying to hoar myself to the sexiest militia corp |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
93
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Posted - 2012.01.24 01:36:00 -
[358] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:Caldari isnt a mitlia, its a missioning coaltion, Damar/Bad deliveryman can confirm
Confirming we missioned over 220 kills this month with about 6 members. More missioning planed, because some basterds returned from vacations in serious pvp corps. We are all adicted to fw missioning. Day without missioning is day wasted.
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Izlare
1st MC
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 07:17:00 -
[359] - Quote
Can't we all just get along?
Squids kill Frogs Frogs kill Squids
It shouldn't be that hard but I think there is a lot of hate within the Cal Ranks. |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
14
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:18:00 -
[360] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Caldari isnt a mitlia, its a missioning coaltion, Damar/Bad deliveryman can confirm Confirming we missioned over 220 kills this month with about 6 members. More missioning planed, because some basterds returned from vacations in serious pvp corps. We are all adicted to fw missioning. Day without missioning is day wasted.
Confirming 220 Caldari Navy BCU's were made by 6 squids in a month |
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Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
99
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Posted - 2012.01.25 04:02:00 -
[361] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Caldari isnt a mitlia, its a missioning coaltion, Damar/Bad deliveryman can confirm Confirming we missioned over 220 kills this month with about 6 members. More missioning planed, because some basterds returned from vacations in serious pvp corps. We are all adicted to fw missioning. Day without missioning is day wasted. Confirming 220 Caldari Navy BCU's were made by 6 squids in a month
Who are you anyway? |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
74
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Posted - 2012.01.25 06:41:00 -
[362] - Quote
Izlare wrote:Can't we all just get along?
Squids kill Frogs Frogs kill Squids
It shouldn't be that hard but I think there is a lot of hate within the Cal Ranks.
If they did that our Militia chat would be just as quiet as Amarr's.
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Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous
14
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Posted - 2012.01.25 15:16:00 -
[363] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:Galatica789 wrote:Caldari isnt a mitlia, its a missioning coaltion, Damar/Bad deliveryman can confirm Confirming we missioned over 220 kills this month with about 6 members. More missioning planed, because some basterds returned from vacations in serious pvp corps. We are all adicted to fw missioning. Day without missioning is day wasted. Confirming 220 Caldari Navy BCU's were made by 6 squids in a month Who are you anyway?
Im you, in the past...... |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
93
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Posted - 2012.01.25 15:55:00 -
[364] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Izlare wrote:Can't we all just get along?
Squids kill Frogs Frogs kill Squids
It shouldn't be that hard but I think there is a lot of hate within the Cal Ranks. If they did that our Militia chat would be just as quiet as Amarr's.
our militia chat is full of gal alts and u .... start killing stuff .... http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1295&view=corp_kills&m=01&y=2012 IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
49
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:29:00 -
[365] - Quote
I have an idea...if you are in a GalMil corp and you never have any targets to shoot at...join CalMil...that way you can shoot all the Gals who are plentiful...
Also DIE SILLY THREAD DIE! |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
105
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:03:00 -
[366] - Quote
You are doing it wrong, you are not supposed to kill gallente, you should just die.
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Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:56:00 -
[367] - Quote
Dark Pangolin wrote:I have an idea...if you are in a GalMil corp and you never have any targets to shoot at...join CalMil...that way you can shoot all the Gals who are plentiful...
Also DIE SILLY THREAD DIE!
Hmmmm. There is yet another example of the treacherous Caldari way of thinking. Fortunately, most Gallente have the decency not to do that.
Speaking for myself, I don't play as much during this month, but when I increase my activity again, I hope, that the bunch of sorry bums that is Caldari militia stumbles upon some kind of personnel renaissance bloom. If I were a caring Caldari capsuleer freshly without purpose, I would certainly join the Militia exactly for the reason you pointed out. And also because I like the hopeless struggle atmosphere that goes with the underdogs.
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Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
386
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:04:00 -
[368] - Quote
Dark Pangolin wrote:I have an idea...if you are in a GalMil corp and you never have any targets to shoot at...join CalMil...that way you can shoot all the Gals who are plentiful...
It's not really an option for a lot of pilots, seeing as doing stuff in GalMil wrecks your Caldari standings. That is, unless you've avoided missions and plexing altogether.
It's far more feasible for a former FDU pilot to switch to Amarr than it is to switch to the Caldari. |
Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace Black Watch.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:22:00 -
[369] - Quote
Shaalira D'arc wrote: It's far more feasible for a former FDU pilot to switch to Amarr than it is to switch to the Caldari.
If you are able to get into Amarr, your Caldari standing comes back very quickly. Should be good to go after 5-6 promotions. After that, the issue would be restoring State Protectorate, which is likely shot if you blew up a lot of plex npc's. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2012.01.27 00:51:00 -
[370] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:Shaalira D'arc wrote: It's far more feasible for a former FDU pilot to switch to Amarr than it is to switch to the Caldari.
If you are able to get into Amarr, your Caldari standing comes back very quickly. Should be good to go after 4-5 promotions. After that, the issue would be restoring State Protectorate, which is likely shot if you blew up a lot of plex npc's.
It's podding enemy militia members that gets you to -10 real fast with State Pro. |
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Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
107
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Posted - 2012.01.27 08:21:00 -
[371] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Shaalira D'arc wrote: It's far more feasible for a former FDU pilot to switch to Amarr than it is to switch to the Caldari.
If you are able to get into Amarr, your Caldari standing comes back very quickly. Should be good to go after 4-5 promotions. After that, the issue would be restoring State Protectorate, which is likely shot if you blew up a lot of plex npc's. It's podding enemy militia members that gets you to -10 real fast with State Pro.
State Protectorate standing has nothing to do with joining militia. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
146
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Posted - 2012.01.27 08:31:00 -
[372] - Quote
Yes podding enemy militia (that is, members of the militia NPC corp, you can pop players in player corps as much as you please) gives you negative standing with the militia corp itself. However your standing with the npc militia corp has no effect on your eligibility to join the militia because the prerequisites for joining a militia are based on your overall standing with an empire. Any friendly fire (to non flashies) while being a member of an empires militia will cause severe standing loss towards that empire. Also, ranking up and doing missions will lower your standings towards the opposite militia's empire. If you do not mission and do not plex, you cannot ruin your standings. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
93
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Posted - 2012.01.27 09:54:00 -
[373] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:You are doing it wrong, you are not supposed to kill gallente, you should just die. Well we prefer the way they die for federation rather we dieing for the state .... However the process of changing mindset of cali "leaders" is kinda painful. But in general we fail .... As usual IBS fail .... Accident here, accident there and we are no.2 on caldari kllboard ;) IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
50
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Posted - 2012.01.27 14:47:00 -
[374] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:You are doing it wrong, you are not supposed to kill gallente, you should just die. Well we prefer the way they die for federation rather we dieing for the state .... However the process of changing mindset of cali "leaders" is kinda painful. But in general we fail .... As usual IBS fail .... Accident here, accident there and we are no.2 on caldari kllboard ;)
You will be No. 1 if Damar actually ever goes to sleep. I play this game too much...but that man is crazy. :) Good at what he does though :P |
Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace Black Watch.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:43:00 -
[375] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:[quote=chatgris][quote=Dirk Smacker][quote=Shaalira D'arc] State Protectorate standing has nothing to do with joining militia. Right, but not being able to run missions would deter some.
And I didn't realize podding is what kills your enemy militia corp standing. Probably why I'm nearly -10 with FDU. I actually didn't even notice it until I went to repair my empire standings. I just figured it was from plexing. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
101
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Posted - 2012.01.27 18:47:00 -
[376] - Quote
I came back to Gallente Militia for the 2nd time around after being gone for months. Aside from an occasional mission running bomber, it is tough to find Caldari war targets. No wonder half of Qcats has gone pirate; they have to resort to shooting neutrals in order to pew.
I'm really hoping more people join and help Caldari. Otherwise, I may need to join the Minmatar side and see how that works out.
PS- I play late US EST TZ from 10pm -1am. . |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
107
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Posted - 2012.01.28 07:32:00 -
[377] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: State Protectorate standing has nothing to do with joining militia.
Right, but not being able to run missions would deter some. And I didn't realize podding is what kills your enemy militia corp standing. Probably why I'm nearly -10 with FDU. I actually didn't even notice it until I went to repair my empire standings. I just figured it was from plexing. Quote:"Also, ranking up and doing missions will lower your standings towards the opposite militia's empire." It's not the missions. The promotions give you a bump with your empire, and you get the negative bumps you would normally get from a faction standing increase.
Killing enemy faction rats gives small standing loss. I shot 2 years rats in militia and i am still able to go any highsec with diplomacy 4.
If you do FW missions and do those where you should kill some structure you will get approx 100x more standing loss that in those where you kill commander.
Best way to wreck faction standing is do normal lvl4 missions where you kill opposite faction ships. It seems that in FW that standing loss is lowered quite much, i do not exact value but i would say approx 100x times less except structures.
Also killing your own militia members wrecks quite fast your own faction standing. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
78
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:55:00 -
[378] - Quote
Shaalira D'arc wrote:Dark Pangolin wrote:I have an idea...if you are in a GalMil corp and you never have any targets to shoot at...join CalMil...that way you can shoot all the Gals who are plentiful...
It's not really an option for a lot of pilots, seeing as doing stuff in GalMil wrecks your Caldari standings. That is, unless you've avoided missions and plexing altogether. It's far more feasible for a former FDU pilot to switch to Amarr than it is to switch to the Caldari.
It's not that hard to get around this.. I was in Minmatar and had both -10 with 12th crusade & State Pro. It's very simple to get your self into any Militia while still having bad standing by using a noob alt to create a corp. You simply run the basic help missions with a new char and get the standings to .5. After that just toss him in a corp and after a week that corp can join FW.
After that you just have to either farm the hell out of level 1's or run plexes to get your standings back, but you have to do it with-in 1 week of joining the noob aklt's corp.
Right now I only have bad standings with Gallente which would get me shot in high sec if I left FW. To fix it I'd only have to rejoin Minmatar (still have .99 with the Minmatar) and run some missions for a short time or use the alt method to join Gallente to run their missions which would fix it faster. |
Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace Black Watch.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:52:00 -
[379] - Quote
Do alliances have npc standings?
I'm wondering if a corp can switch sides regardless of corp standing if they joined an alliance that was in the enemy militia.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Alexei Orlov
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 14:58:00 -
[380] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:Do alliances have npc standings?
I'm wondering if a corp can switch sides regardless of corp standing if they joined an alliance that was in the enemy militia.
I cannot find it at the moment, but I read that all the corps in the Alliance must qualify on standings or the whole Alliance is removed from the Militia. |
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Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace Black Watch.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:07:00 -
[381] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: State Protectorate standing has nothing to do with joining militia.
Right, but not being able to run missions would deter some. And I didn't realize podding is what kills your enemy militia corp standing. Probably why I'm nearly -10 with FDU. I actually didn't even notice it until I went to repair my empire standings. I just figured it was from plexing. Quote:"Also, ranking up and doing missions will lower your standings towards the opposite militia's empire." It's not the missions. The promotions give you a bump with your empire, and you get the negative bumps you would normally get from a faction standing increase. Killing enemy faction rats gives small standing loss. I shot 2 years rats in militia and i am still able to go any highsec with diplomacy 4. If you do FW missions and do those where you should kill some structure you will get approx 100x more standing loss that in those where you kill commander. Best way to wreck faction standing is do normal lvl4 missions where you kill opposite faction ships. It seems that in FW that standing loss is lowered quite much, i do not exact value but i would say approx 100x times less except structures. . I'm looking back at my standings log now and can confirm a L4 enemy structure (likely the one with the gate where you can avoid all enemy fire) is a -2.4% hit against that faction. The hit from the ships appears to be -0.02%, likely 0.024% if they carried it out, so 100x worse.
FWIW, my last Minmatar promotion (7th rank iirc) gave a -6.5% derived standing hit against Amarr.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Alexei Orlov
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:12:00 -
[382] - Quote
Here we are, persistence pays, CCP Konflikt: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608396#post608396 |
Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace Black Watch.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:16:00 -
[383] - Quote
Alexei Orlov wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Do alliances have npc standings?
I'm wondering if a corp can switch sides regardless of corp standing if they joined an alliance that was in the enemy militia.
I cannot find it at the moment, but I read that all the corps in the Alliance must qualify on standings or the whole Alliance is removed from the Militia. Thank you. Makes sense. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
93
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Posted - 2012.01.30 10:17:00 -
[384] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:I came back to Gallente Militia for the 2nd time around after being gone for months. Aside from an occasional mission running bomber, it is tough to find Caldari war targets. No wonder half of Qcats has gone pirate; they have to resort to shooting neutrals in order to pew.
I'm really hoping more people join and help Caldari. Otherwise, I may need to join the Minmatar side and see how that works out.
PS- I play late US EST TZ from 10pm -1am.
U r doing it wrong ... come to Rakapas ... we accepting all gallente targets equally. Our operators transfer ships to pod in ur timezone too (however u might have to wait some minutes on line in ur timezone). Or come in EU timezone and we will serve u express. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Yellow Pages
The Gamer News
1
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Posted - 2012.01.30 23:56:00 -
[385] - Quote
New Article at
www.thegamernews.com
Caldari Militia Only For Cowards Got a news story or want to write for us? EVEmail me or visit www.thegamernews.com
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Dabid Slave
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:43:00 -
[386] - Quote
Lookit dat gal propaganda!
I am so mad about that I just might throw a fleet together and fight a gallente blob 4x my number just because :spacehonor:...
If only the cal were that stupi... er brave, we'd have turned the tide by now! |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
107
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Posted - 2012.01.31 08:52:00 -
[387] - Quote
Caldari covards?
They are just using same gallente tactics that gallente has used years.
No fights so enemy gets bored and leaves.
Sometimes people should just look at mirror. |
Katalci
D.I.R.T
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:54:00 -
[388] - Quote
confirming that this thread belongs in Warfare & Tactics; CAOD is overrated |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
150
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:45:00 -
[389] - Quote
Katalci wrote:confirming that this thread belongs in Warfare & Tactics; CAOD is overrated
And this thread was just about to die,
WHY U NO RESIST URGE TO NECRO? |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
93
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:03:00 -
[390] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Caldari covards?
They are just using same gallente tactics that gallente has used years.
No fights so enemy gets bored and leaves.
Sometimes people should just look at mirror. Wut? .... No fights?
I have to kinda live in diferent universe ...... We have serious popage going in our area of ops.
Aaaahhhh ... I failed to trollage again .... Crap IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
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Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:04:00 -
[391] - Quote
(epic thread rez)
Seems that the Caldari are not so fail as a few months ago. I'm seeing them regularly come out and fight now, even winning a few engagements here and there. I also heard that some sort of Alliance joined the squids? If so that's good news for moar fights!!! -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
151
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:59:00 -
[392] - Quote
Garr Earthbender wrote:(epic thread rez)
Seems that the Caldari are not so fail as a few months ago. I'm seeing them regularly come out and fight now, even winning a few engagements here and there. I also heard that some sort of Alliance joined the squids? If so that's good news for moar fights!!!
Raven federation joined up. They were semi active in syndicate a few months ago but now it seems they have all but died and came back to empire to rebuild. Probably wont be seeing much of them for a while. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:32:00 -
[393] - Quote
Shaalira D'arc wrote:One consistent complaint I've heard from varying CalMil pilots over the past year is that they lack cohesive, reliable intel. Even when CalMil was very active earlier this year, it seemed as if each of their corporations was doing something different, and not passing intel between each other. This is something we exploited a lot.
For all of the things GalMil does wrong (and believe me, we derp a lot), one thing we tend to do right is communication. We have shared and mostly-reliable intel channels as well as readily-accessible voice comms with varying levels of security. In addition, we generally have a culture of friendly competition where it's not unusual or suspicious for the member of one corp to drop into another corp's comms just to chat. As a result, we often join each others' roams and our fleets tend to coordinate and exchange intel.
Good communication gets you the following benefits:
- Targets. It's much, much easier to PvP if you know where to go to pew pew. - Numbers. If a target is too heavy / too numerous for you, there are often pilots around willing to fleet up and even the odds. - Support. If you run into unexpected trouble, a fight turns sour, or a falcon uncloaks, there's often a few pilots in the area available to help. - Evading gatecamps and gank attempts.
Now, there is drama that comes up sometimes. Personality clashes are inevitable. But by and large, GalMil has a rather strong and friendly community between its major corps.
When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
In battle, it's easy to mistake an enemy's penchant for having the right numbers at the right place to leaked intel or the presence of spies. I think we really are just better coordinated.
In short, my advice is this:
- If you fear spies too much, you'll never develop a relaxed community of PvP-centric pilots. Who gives good intel versus who gives bad intel can be ascertained quickly enough. And making that judgment call is a small price to pay for having reliable intel channels.
- FW corps can (and do) go it alone, but good things can come from working with others. Splintering into a multitude of corps in FW is inevitable due to personality clashes, time zone variation, small gang versus fleet roamers, and differing interests. But there's a world of difference between a bunch of isolated corps, and a community of people at least loosely working together.
Having just re-joined FW I can confirm you are spot on. Intel and fear of spys (which is due to lack of intel imo) is a major problem. Intel sharing is non-existent between 90% of FW corps. It's very difficult to get a straight answer to anything from anyone. New players are excluded to the point of boredom and leave.
Then when you add that the Gallente are very well organized and have well organized and experienced corps + from what I am hearing too many Caldari are in Amarr space = perfect recipe for us to be fail atm.
Many people don't get along for no reason other than trying to act tough in chat - In game I possibly chat/joke around more with Gallente militia - they are generally friendlier than the Caldari Militia.
Can't spell crap without rap. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
151
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:00:00 -
[394] - Quote
Gal mil has its problems too. Last year a small, new corp joined the gallente militia and they were trying to diplo their way into intel channels or something. I was a member of gal mil at the time and I just remember everyone except chatgris (who tried to actually talk to them, but made the mistake of inviting everyone else into the convo) trolling these guys to the point where they got mad and wardecced a gal corp and tried to bash their POSes
Nowdays I think there is just tension between SLAPD and other gallente corps |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
98
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:37:00 -
[395] - Quote
I think you guys over estimate any fear of spys Cal has TBH. I don't think many Caldari are really that concerned about them giving out intel. Most so called Gal spys are just trolls that do nothing but post dumb links in Militia chat or generally just try to annoy people.
It's not like any "secret" plans about anything wouldn't get leaked out anyway, if there were any super secret plans to do anything really super secret. I think when most Caldari say much about spys it's usually just about the Gal alts that seem to spend most of their play time trolling in Cal Militia.
As far as Caldari not being overly organized, I think it's more because there are many groups that want to do different things.. Where as Gallente tend to mostly want to blob around 4 or 5 systems all day.
Caldari on other hand seem to be split up into various groups that tend to focus on their own things..
You have the 1MC guys and their friends whom tend to stay in Hysera and do a lot of piracy, then you have the Enal guys that seem to try to fight Gal gangs, but honestly just don't have the numbers to compete head to head. Then you have station games from Hidden Snakes group in Rakapass, although they seem to be venturing into other near by systems lately and last but not least you have the PLEX guys that tend to do do a lot of plexing.
So IMO reason Caldari isn't working as closely together as say Gals do is because each group kinda does what it's interested in. Just because these groups don't always blob around together, doesn't mean they don't work with one another or communicate. It's just most are focused on doing their own things.
Something else to consider, is Caldari has actually put more kills on the KB than Gallente has in Feb so far, so it's not like Caldari are fail or not active, it's just we do a lot of other stuff besides fight Gallente. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:42:00 -
[396] - Quote
The killboard is broken. It does not count kills by alliance members in FW. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
37
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:01:00 -
[397] - Quote
^^ what Andre said.
Majority of the Gallente corps are now in an alliance of one form or another which has borked the eve-kill boards.
And re spies I think the majority of people on either side stopped worrying / focussing on them a long time ago.
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Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
23
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:23:00 -
[398] - Quote
Yeah need to add about 1500 kills to our total from VA and Drunk and Disorderly and 400 or so should be added to the Caldari side for the few alliances that you have.
Mutnin wrote: Something else to consider, is Caldari has actually put more kills on the KB than Gallente has in Feb so far, so it's not like Caldari are fail or not active, it's just we do a lot of other stuff besides fight Gallente.
Is sexy time? |
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:46:00 -
[399] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:.....then you have the Enal guys that seem to try to fight Gal gangs, but honestly just don't have the numbers to compete head to head.....
Interesting thing..... In recent action around Pavanakka, the squids either fight 1 on 1, blob like crazy or when GalMil appears with roughly even numbers, they run like little girls when Pedobear appears. 12 people in fleet not on one occasion does not seem as a small number. Maybe I have limited information (I'm not always online, you know) OR you are pulling nonsense out of your butt.
OK, to be fair, sometimes, we make even bigger blob mostly cause by enthusiasm, but the last two same-sized Pavanakka fleets I was in ended in Tama trying to bait the pies instead, beacause Caldari docked. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
131
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:59:00 -
[400] - Quote
Bottom line: USTZ war is pretty much over. The "Battle of Tama" in January 2011 lead by chatgris was great fun and all, but IMO it was the last straw that helped First General decide to leave the area and never return. My guess is that the last thing he wanted to hear from Oppon's Pull was "We had fun!". KB stats and all that. With WBR poaching many of the veteran pilots of the Caldari militia, there wasn't, and isn't a core group of Caldari pilots that could build up the TZ.
The remaining USTZ Caldari FW pilots (lead by THE4) have been slowly losing the war of attrition to USTZ Gallente FW. THE4 was their last best hope, but it seems to have finally disintigrated or moved on to another secret location further "north" in Black Rise.
There are occasional "uprisings" such as the beginning of this month of fast and furious plex fighting, but they are squashed because of overwhelming numbers/higher skilled pilots/better morale. Bolsterbomb and Super Chair can only convince pilots to go head on into their sure deaths only so many times before they find something more interesting to do with their game time. Partial victories here and there are great, but my guess is their pilots want to win more often than they currently are. The USTZ Caldari are adapting and going more "guerilla tactics" in their plex fighting - and they are having some fun with it. But their numbers are low, and at any point they can get easily roflblobbed (almost by accident - I'm amazed at how many guys we have show up when intel is given). Our guys adjust fittings as well, so their success with new tactics is oftentimes brief and they are always under pressure to adjust. A few guys like Super Chair have fun with this type of warfare, but I suspect most of them don't.
IMO, The USTZ Gallente-Caldari part of FW heat up again only when a large USTZ corporation or alliance joins Caldari FW. This is because nobody in USTZ Gallente FW is going anywhere. This is our Eve home (which is the main difference, IMO. There aren't enough USTZ Caldari who consider FW their Eve home). There just aren't enough numbers of Caldari to compete, and their momentum gets crushed before they can build up any critical mass of good pilots.
On the other hand, I hear Caldari EUTZ presence is pretty good. There are several corporations who are fairly strong such as IGB, and BRGF and they are doing quite well from what I see on kbs. SOTF is regularly leading the Gallente in FW kils, so they have plenty of targets to go after during their TZ. |
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GF07M8
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:37:00 -
[401] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Bottom line: USTZ war is pretty much over. The "Battle of Tama" in January 2011 lead by chatgris was great fun and all, but IMO it was the last straw that helped First General decide to leave the area and never return. My guess is that the last thing he wanted to hear from Oppon's Pull was "We had fun!". KB stats and all that. With WBR poaching many of the veteran pilots of the Caldari militia, there wasn't, and isn't a core group of Caldari pilots that could build up the TZ.
The remaining USTZ Caldari FW pilots (lead by THE4) have been slowly losing the war of attrition to USTZ Gallente FW. THE4 was their last best hope, but it seems to have finally disintigrated or moved on to another secret location further "north" in Black Rise.
There are occasional "uprisings" such as the beginning of this month of fast and furious plex fighting, but they are squashed because of overwhelming numbers/higher skilled pilots/better morale. Bolsterbomb and Super Chair can only convince pilots to go head on into their sure deaths only so many times before they find something more interesting to do with their game time. Partial victories here and there are great, but my guess is their pilots want to win more often than they currently are. The USTZ Caldari are adapting and going more "guerilla tactics" in their plex fighting - and they are having some fun with it. But their numbers are low, and at any point they can get easily roflblobbed (almost by accident - I'm amazed at how many guys we have show up when intel is given). Our guys adjust fittings as well, so their success with new tactics is oftentimes brief and they are always under pressure to adjust. A few guys like Super Chair have fun with this type of warfare, but I suspect most of them don't.
IMO, The USTZ Gallente-Caldari part of FW heat up again only when a large USTZ corporation or alliance joins Caldari FW. This is because nobody in USTZ Gallente FW is going anywhere. This is our Eve home (which is the main difference, IMO. There aren't enough USTZ Caldari who consider FW their Eve home). There just aren't enough numbers of Caldari to compete, and their momentum gets crushed before they can build up any critical mass of good pilots.
On the other hand, I hear Caldari EUTZ presence is pretty good. There are several corporations who are fairly strong such as IGB, and BRGF and they are doing quite well from what I see on kbs. SOTF is regularly leading the Gallente in FW kils, so they have plenty of targets to go after during their TZ.
Fits what I have experienced of the USTZ from cal side. I could only PLEX so much for "fights," aka curbstomp-rolls from 3-4 to 1 odds against us where we had to roll up in as much ecm as possible just to try and hang on a little while. It might be an amusing challenge to some, but when there are a lot of pvp alternatives Calmil just looks hopeless by comparison. It has become essentially a place to throw away cheap insurable ships for the thrill of fighting outnumbered all the time and with pilots who usually aren't anywhere near as skilled or disciplined as opponents.
Anyone who wants to pick up the USTZ will need not just organization and plenty of mid-high sp followers, but also a willingness to commit and loose much more expensive ships on a regular basis until the huddled masses of calmil grow into some better guns. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone willing to do that. Most of the Cal aligned RP'ers are strong carebears. Most of the alliances sympathetic to the calmil are too far away from the warzone to have an impact without causing problems at home.
At the end of the day, critical mass has already been achieved. Gal will preside over USTZ indefinitely, getting token fights and having very little to do until they disperse or have a few more prominent defectors to even the odds. Ofc that assumes the gal actually want a more even-handed arena for "good fights." If that is not the case I don't think calmil has any future except LP farmers and the occasional pirate.
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: IMO, The USTZ Gallente-Caldari part of FW heat up again only when a large USTZ corporation or alliance joins Caldari FW.
QFT
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Garbad theWeak
64
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:43:00 -
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Posting so I can unsubscribe from a ******** thread. Seriously, you people have been spamming this for like 2 months. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
151
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:55:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Super Chair can only convince pilots to go head on into their sure deaths only so many times before they find something more interesting to do with their game time.
Or I can just keep killing you guys, i'm not going anywhere
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12409371
It's amazing what a well timed warp does against a bigger gang trying to enter a plex can do
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12399205
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12381131
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
98
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:26:00 -
[405] - Quote
Desra Mascani wrote:Mutnin wrote:.....then you have the Enal guys that seem to try to fight Gal gangs, but honestly just don't have the numbers to compete head to head..... Interesting thing..... In recent action around Pavanakka, the squids either fight 1 on 1, blob like crazy or when GalMil appears with roughly even numbers, they run like little girls when Pedobear appears. 12 people in fleet not on one occasion does not seem as a small number. Maybe I have limited information (I'm not always online, you know) OR you are pulling nonsense out of your butt. OK, to be fair, sometimes, we make even bigger blob mostly cause by enthusiasm, but the last two same-sized Pavanakka fleets I was in ended in Tama trying to bait the pies instead, beacause Caldari docked.
Well I don't usually join the Cal gangs, but when I have I've yet to ever sere Caldari out numbering Gallente, so I'm really not going to take your claims seriously. Most likely what happens in these "rare" time where Caldari maybe out numbered you just once or twice was they were likely in Frigs and Cruisers and you guys ran back to your station to "ship up" like you always do then complain you get no fight.
I know last time I joined up with Caldari gang was when you guys were about to flip Pav. We had a gang full of T1 cruisers with I think 2 BCs and a bunch of dessies. That was far too much for you Gals whom already out numbered us to fight, so you guys went back and reshipped into pretty much all BCs. I remember counting more Drakes from you guys gang than we even had members in our fleet.
So please lets not talk about unicorn & rainbow stories as most of us know that Caldari rarely if ever out numbers Gal fleets these days and if they do it's certain you guys have already ran back to station to reship to make up for that 1 extra Thrasher Caldari had on their side.
As for the KB thing, I wasn't aware of the alliance issue. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
134
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:26:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad sign, but the top Caldari corp killer for February is The State with 200+ kills
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1295&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
Compare this to Gallente, where FDU is ranked 10th with 51 kills http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1330&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
TLF for Minnie is ranked 2nd with 154 kills http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1285&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
24thIC for Amarr is ranked 9th with 106 kills http://amarr.eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=1462&view=corp_kills&m=02&y=2012
This to me, suggest there are tons of Caldari pilots who are waiting to be recruited by a corp. Certainly an opportunity there for various Caldari corps? Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
98
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:41:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad sign, but the top Caldari corp killer for February is The State with 200+ kills
This to me, suggest there are tons of Caldari pilots who are waiting to be recruited by a corp. Certainly an opportunity there for various Caldari corps?
Our corp have taken on as many as we can, but it's a hell of a lot of work to train new guys and can be very frustrating at times as well. Most corps are are too tied up with their KB to take on a lot of new players that trash their l33t KB stats. I know ours is absolutely horrible looking at this point, even though I know lots of new guys are going to lose tons of ships and not kill much in return it's still very frustrating, so I can't blame corps not wanting to recruit a lot of newer guys TBH. |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:15:00 -
[408] - Quote
I'm curious how FW works. Never done it, never seen it action before. How does it work? Join a Militia and then what ? Is it like the incursion channel? "Have xxxx fitted ship looking for a fleet" for example? " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:44:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:I'm curious how FW works. Never done it, never seen it action before. How does it work? Join a Militia and then what ? Is it like the incursion channel? "Have xxxx fitted ship looking for a fleet" for example?
It really just a free war dec. Join - look for flashing stuff on overview and shoot it.
There are a few other advantages like the LP store and standing for your faction are easy to earn. The LP store is however losing it's value due to excessive LP farming at the moment.
Navy Scorps will be cheaper then ROKH soon if the current trend continues.
FW info
I recommend reading Damars FW plexing guide too. A few things may have changed since he wrote it but it should still be very useful. wtf - why won't signatures delete? |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
94
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:37:00 -
[410] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad sign, but the top Caldari corp killer for February is The State with 200+ kills
This to me, suggest there are tons of Caldari pilots who are waiting to be recruited by a corp. Certainly an opportunity there for various Caldari corps? Our corp have taken on as many as we can, but it's a hell of a lot of work to train new guys and can be very frustrating at times as well. Most corps are are too tied up with their KB to take on a lot of new players that trash their l33t KB stats. I know ours is absolutely horrible looking at this point, even though I know lots of new guys are going to lose tons of ships and not kill much in return it's still very frustrating, so I can't blame corps not wanting to recruit a lot of newer guys TBH. cough cough ... was allways problem of Cali .... we fixing the problem ... 257 kills in 12 active pilots
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
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Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
23
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:48:00 -
[411] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote: cough cough ... was allways problem of Cali .... we fixing the problem ... 257 kills in 12 active pilots
Is sexy time? |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.19 07:07:00 -
[412] - Quote
GF07M8 wrote:Ofc that assumes the gal actually want a more even-handed arena for "good fights." If that is not the case I don't think calmil has any future except LP farmers and the occasional pirate.
They dont. That has been quite clear since start of the faction war. And when things dont go they way they resort to rl death deaths, forum trolling and evemail spamming campaigns where bulk of their militia corps take part. |
Beshnu
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.02.20 21:35:00 -
[413] - Quote
What have I missed since I've been gone?
It looks like no one is having any fun with this game anymore. Or did a majority of you forget its a game?
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Tentaki
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
4
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:46:00 -
[414] - Quote
Beshnu wrote:What have I missed since I've been gone?
It looks like no one is having any fun with this game anymore. Or did a majority of you forget its a game?
confirming you are asking this subsequent to a damar post. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
9
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Posted - 2012.02.21 02:18:00 -
[415] - Quote
DEATH DEATHS!! |
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
10
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:38:00 -
[416] - Quote
SLAPD - Corp Janitor |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:46:00 -
[417] - Quote
Beshnu wrote:Or did a majority of you forget its a game?
If you look at how corps operate, most succesful people would descripe eve as "second job you have to pay for". So no, it's not really fun. Hell, only reason I log into game is to shoot at r-tards (Chatgris, Seriphyn, Val Erian, Gallactica, etc.) who figured it would nice to send death threats. evemail spam and pedophile accusations over a god damn video game. |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
36
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:51:00 -
[418] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Beshnu wrote:Or did a majority of you forget its a game? If you look at how corps operate, most succesful people would descripe eve as "second job you have to pay for". So no, it's not really fun. Hell, only reason I log into game is to shoot at r-tards (Chatgris, Seriphyn, Val Erian, Gallactica, etc.) who figured it would nice to send death threats. evemail spam and pedophile accusations over a god damn video game.
and yet you still live and are not in jail..... -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:56:00 -
[419] - Quote
Garr Earthbender wrote:and yet you still live and are not in jail.....
Which must annoy you a great deal... |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
49
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:33:00 -
[420] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Beshnu wrote:Or did a majority of you forget its a game? If you look at how corps operate, most succesful people would descripe eve as "second job you have to pay for". So no, it's not really fun. Hell, only reason I log into game is to shoot at r-tards (Chatgris, Seriphyn, Val Erian, Gallactica, etc.) who figured it would nice to send death threats. evemail spam and pedophile accusations over a god damn video game.
Wooooooah, backup Kimosabi - I've never once said anything of the sort.
For once in your life stop acting like a whiny, silly little boy. |
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Beshnu
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:30:00 -
[421] - Quote
Im sorry if I stepped on some toes but I did ask an honest question. The original post was about why caldari militia is failing. Its failing, or should I say failed, due to no one having any fun. I hear that some toons log in just to whine and moan. Maybe what would fix Caldari Militia is if you guys did something to have some fun. Why not have organized fights? I know that some of you will say that its not how the game should be played. Frankly, I'm paying to play this awesome game so I shall play it how I wanna play it. Some of the best times i had with the militia was chasing down X Gall and Val and getting good fights. A majority of the time I lost but I still had a blast. And some of the other great times were organized fights. There isnt anything wrong with it honestly. If you think about it, organized fights will allow for FCs to step and learn and the militia would some how learn to work as a team.
One of the other things that I tried to do from time to time at late nights for US TZ were just simple f**k it fleets. I told the toons to bring whatever they wanted and if they lost it then oh well. We had a fun time and went red quite a bit but thats how i started FC'ing and gaining friends and had some great laughs.
To fix what is broken, why not talk to each other about it and fix it instead of posting on the forumns about it.
Anywho.....Caldari Militia will rise again at some point and hopefully everyone has a blast again
By the way.............who has my pants? |
Sun Zue
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:55:00 -
[422] - Quote
Wow, were did all this hate come from? o/ X-Gal and Timmy Brewer miss some of those fun sometimes one sided drunk fights lol. ANY body who thinks this game has become a job you pay for and its no longer just in fun needs a eve brake and a beer (age depending, some people can only buy grape drink) and how fun. Calling Chatgris an r-tard is kinda low in my but sense ALOT of people I know based the nano FC'ing after him(her). Val Erian like it not is one of the best multi boxers i have meet next to Gaven and should be given props for it. Not saying the kiss the Gal's butts but if you don't see the strong PvP base for what it is then you people are blind. If you want to improve the Cal militia then get of the forums and form a fleet, doesn't matter how big or what you bring, go out fight to win, win or lose. It doesn't matter if you lose a FAKE ship in FAKE space as long as you have a laugh and fun while you are at it. Learn from those loses an improve, face it with the proper fleet 10 people can take on 20 but only if people want to come out and have a good time. I say if most people are have a hard time, take a brake and go pirate around black rise and placid, grab friends and gank some poor high sec nood for the tears, Heck WD IRED and kill them.
Remember when things are down, just think its a game and not the end of the world if today isn't a good day take some trashers out and t1 frigs and have a party.
BTW Beshnu you left your Pants here and your dirty underwear |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
153
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Posted - 2012.02.22 00:38:00 -
[423] - Quote
Sun Zue wrote: Wow, were did all this hate come from? o/ X-Gal and Timmy Brewer miss some of those fun sometimes one sided drunk fights lol. ANY body who thinks this game has become a job you pay for and its no longer just in fun needs a eve brake and a beer (age depending, some people can only buy grape drink) and how fun. Calling Chatgris an r-tard is kinda low in my but sense ALOT of people I know based the nano FC'ing after him(her). Val Erian like it not is one of the best multi boxers i have meet next to Gaven and should be given props for it. Not saying the kiss the Gal's butts but if you don't see the strong PvP base for what it is then you people are blind. If you want to improve the Cal militia then get of the forums and form a fleet, doesn't matter how big or what you bring, go out fight to win, win or lose. It doesn't matter if you lose a FAKE ship in FAKE space as long as you have a laugh and fun while you are at it. Learn from those loses an improve, face it with the proper fleet 10 people can take on 20 but only if people want to come out and have a good time. I say if most people are have a hard time, take a brake and go pirate around black rise and placid, grab friends and gank some poor high sec nood for the tears, Heck WD IRED and kill them.
Remember when things are down, just think its a game and not the end of the world if today isn't a good day take some trashers out and t1 frigs and have a party.
BTW Beshnu you left your Pants here and your dirty underwear
I thought beshnu's girlfriend was wearing them...as she beat him
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ButtChugger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 03:01:00 -
[424] - Quote
bro bcuz most caldari playas rely on the ships goodnes rite they don lyk devlop the skillz cuz they noob. Minmitars Foreva! Buff Minmatars |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:28:00 -
[425] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Wooooooah, backup Kimosabi - I've never once said anything of the sort.
For once in your life stop acting like a whiny, silly little boy.
Sure you did. When I asked asked your militias CEO's if this was acceptable behavior and they should distance themselves from the crazy ass threats sent by Ankh (and supported by Seriphyn who more or less told me to get stuffed since he was not about to rein in his Dutch w...re because she needed her plexing aid).
None of you thought this was inappropriate behavior so in other words, death threats and personal attacks were accepted methods of playing the game. So therefore I must come to conclusion that all players in gallente militia are ok with me being subjected to bodily harm over a video game.
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
49
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:23:00 -
[426] - Quote
You have never asked me Damar, and for one I'd have agreed with that rl stuff like that is out of order.
Again your wide sweeping generalisation is wrong - As SoTF is one of the biggest eu tz fw corps and you have not asked me my opinion for which you base so much of your hatred towards us makes your obsession with this a bit silly don't you think?
Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
151
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:38:00 -
[427] - Quote
I often wounder if pointing out to the Caldari militia as a whole that there is good cash and places to build in low-sec would get them to live out in low-sec. That's a big part of there problem, you always hear about them going back to hi-sec to rebuild one on the Gallente side very few go to hi sec to make there money and get there ships. We have a connection to our space its more than just the area we go to die in, but also were we make our money build our forces and stage our corps.
Just my 2 isk I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:57:00 -
[428] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult.
And again, why should I extend any courtesy to your militia for reasons outlined above and baseless accusations of PERVS & me exploiting when we did none of the things we were accused off while Gallentes like Val Erian were themselves doing it all the time.
But I agree on one thing. It is pointless to argue about this. There is too much bad blood for any kind of "reconciliation". So lets just hate each others guts and leave it at that.
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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
49
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:18:00 -
[429] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Gallactica wrote:Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult. And again, why should I extend any courtesy to your militia for reasons outlined above and baseless accusations of PERVS & me exploiting when we did none of the things we were accused off while Gallentes like Val Erian were themselves doing it all the time. And yet even now when you completely outnumber Caldari, you still resort to using existing bugs such as the stopping plex from despawning with cloaker so that Caldari cannot attack systems on those opportunities when they actually get the numbers going and force you to flee. I am fairly sure you would be screaming bloody murder on forums if we had resorted to same methods. But I agree on one thing. It is pointless to argue about this. There is too much bad blood for any kind of "reconciliation". So lets just hate each others guts and leave it at that.
And there is the difference my friend, i dont hate you, i feel sorry for you. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
151
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:45:00 -
[430] - Quote
Damar Rocarion dose make an entertaning opponent and he is one of the few Caldari FC's that wont just turn and run if they don't think they have a 100% chance at sucsess, to bad the human that pilots him is angry most of the time and prone to freaking out. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
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Mekhana
Black Knight Legion
421
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Posted - 2012.02.22 14:46:00 -
[431] - Quote
It's easy to make fun of Damar but I really think he needs help. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
136
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:48:00 -
[432] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:And yet even now when you completely outnumber Caldari, you still resort to using existing bugs such as the stopping plex from despawning with cloaker so that Caldari cannot attack systems on those opportunities when they actually get the numbers going and force you to flee. I am fairly sure you would be screaming bloody murder on forums if we had resorted to same methods.
Interesting, I thought you had to be "on grid" and not cloaked to keep the plex from despawning? Kind of lame. Ought to be able to at least scan down the little bugger who is camping the plex.
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Falacio Burns
Blunt Brothers Trading
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:20:00 -
[433] - Quote
One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.
Qcats were good for some GFs though... |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
443
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:30:00 -
[434] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:Gallactica wrote:Other than you being a bit of an oddball I've always been complimentary towards you and your pvp skill, shame you can't act like an adult. And again, why should I extend any courtesy to your militia for reasons outlined above and baseless accusations of PERVS & me exploiting when we did none of the things we were accused off while Gallentes like Val Erian were themselves doing it all the time.
So because some people upset you, you use it as justification to be rude and arrogant towards others? Fantastic logic. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
23
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:43:00 -
[435] - Quote
Those wacky Finns
Caellach Marellus wrote:
So because some people upset you, you use it as justification to be rude and arrogant towards others? Fantastic logic.
Is sexy time? |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
141
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:59:00 -
[436] - Quote
Falacio Burns wrote:One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.
Qcats were good for some GFs though...
SBs are typically used for the L4 missions. So it's probably all they had when a fleet was needed at that time
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
155
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:42:00 -
[437] - Quote
Falacio Burns wrote:One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.
Qcats were good for some GFs though...
Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these players , and 3) That player gets 5 light drones on them, realizes they cannot cloak and dies in a ball of fire
In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps)
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
141
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:19:00 -
[438] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:
Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these player
That is a strange but common logical fallacy amongst many rookie pilots. It falls in line with the other logic that many of them have of flying in BC and BS hulls; they think that it's such a powerful ship that it puts in them God mode. I have one guy in my corp who actually asked why none of us were roaming in battleships and he barely had 4M SPs and no combat experience.
Sadly , they don't understand that the people who want to fight you are the same people with the backup to kill you regardless of what ship class you fly. If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
46
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:35:00 -
[439] - Quote
And just an observation, but I was gone about 3 weeks, and since I came back the last few days, the fighting has picked up a lot while I was gone. Lots of Squids back in our neck of the woods - using novel tactics and fits, and fighting in and around plexes.
I really like the new plexing mechaninc. They did a good job on that. |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
24
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:43:00 -
[440] - Quote
derp?
Is sexy time? |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
103
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:42:00 -
[441] - Quote
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote: I often wounder if pointing out to the Caldari militia as a whole that there is good cash and places to build in low-sec would get them to live out in low-sec. That's a big part of there problem, you always hear about them going back to hi-sec to rebuild one on the Gallente side very few go to hi sec to make there money and get there ships. We have a connection to our space its more than just the area we go to die in, but also were we make our money build our forces and stage our corps.
Just my 2 isk
Speaking for my corp, I've always been big on pushing a low sec base and I've personally lived in low sec just about my entire time I've been in this game. Yet when we set up this corp due to the fact at the time Enaluri was always being camped by "l33t" station game group that did nothing but sit on the undock with a RR carrier and 4 or 5 other heavy ships with tons of remote sensor boosters it obviously wasn't the best place to bring a bunch of noobies.
I decided to base us out of high sec in Onn for that reason as at the time Cal Militia was very inactive and you Gals were basing 1 system away from Enaluri. Having that many un-friendlies with-in the same system and 1 jump away just creates a bunch of gay station humping games and limits movement. Not the best place for setting up small gang roams or getting new guys interested in undocking for PVP.
TBH now that we are in high sec it actually works out very well, due to the fact we have access to 3 low sec entry points with-in 2 jumps and 3 more with-in 5 jumps. Something like 8 jumps we can hit Tama or Hysera, which means we can move around the map and turn up un-expected with-out anyone knowing where we are for the most part.
Not to mention it's very easy access to Jita which makes resupplies very painless by alt freighter and location wise it's great for our guys to make their ISK as they can grab FW missions from multiple agents less that 5 jumps in any 1 direction. The only draw back is we picked up a high sec war dec which TBH wasn't that bad as it was good learning tool for our corp.
Now on the other hand when the bulk of Caldari was basing out of Nourv that was pretty damn fail IMO, as it had only 1 easy access point being Tama which was almost always camped.
I do have thoughts of moving our corp to low sec, but not in the typical Caldari areas. If I have my way it would be one of the following: Ostingele, Ouelletta or maybe Murethand or OMS. The problem though is in regard to FW income we kinda need to be tied down to Black Rise as it allows guys to log in for a short time and go grind some ISK if they can't play long or are bored. |
Tentaki
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:45:00 -
[442] - Quote
um
km or gtfo? |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
52
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Posted - 2012.02.25 12:28:00 -
[443] - Quote
@ Mutnin - logistics is probably one of the most important aspects of running things successfully in low sec.
As you know we base from Nisuwa, and we are very very fortunate to have people in corp that do the selfless (although sometimes isk rewarding) job of making sure that we are kept in the right ships with the right fittings etc etc (not teaching you how to suck eggs but you know what I mean).
Most and in fact now probably all of the Gallente corps live and have lived in low sec for a long time now and it becomes second nature just getting on with it and the differences from high sec.
Also you can't do it by yourself no matter how good you think you are - you need at least 3-4 other people at the top running things in different areas and I don't mean specific jobs either - you need people that are loudmouth brash bastards, people that are impulsive and just want to get the job done as well as the laid back ones that gently steer things in the right direction.
Probably the single most important people in fw corps are fc's, they are the lifeblood of your corp and without them it simply won't work no matter how good your corp is - everyone has there "main" fc's in a corp but you need to continually push others to step up and do it as well no matter how good/bad they are tbh, station spinning kills pvp corps.
It sounds like your doing it the right way Mutnin and keep at it mate. And genuinely if you need any help drop me a convo (that's not meant to sound patronising and those that know me know I mean it).
Anyhoo just some ramblings from a hungover FW CEO. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:07:00 -
[444] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Falacio Burns wrote:One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.
Qcats were good for some GFs though... Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these players , and 3) That player gets 5 light drones on them, realizes they cannot cloak and dies in a ball of fire In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps)
Good lord you are butthurt, making up kills that don't even exist!!! Oh well almost everyone we forcefully eject gets this way.
Also cloaked pvp is the desire of the noob, but the risk adverse veteran pilots use ECM extensively. This has to be one of the most crippling tools in the game, not for the gang facing it usually, because they will see it when it's used improperly (which it always is by all current Caldari FW groups) but for the users of said ECM. They rely on it as a cloak against any threat of losing, and have no idea how to fly evasively, fly smart, or just plain old fly at all. Fits can be **** and you can win with enough ECM. We all know your ECM alts by now, and there are pilots in established squid groups that fly NOTHING BUT FALCONS.
You can use ECM to suprise people but when it's the only thing a guy flies it's no longer a surprise, just a way to deter fights. In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just faggggoootttttt plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
140
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:29:00 -
[445] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just faggggoootttttt plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take.
As you are a member of a militia where bulk of the pilots have 2nd account for that ever important t3 link machine, I find it quite hypocritical to whine about people using ECM. Reality of warfare in cal/gal front is that long-time members know each others link machines and cannot be arsed to take an uphill battle as it would just reward people like Dopified/Madbuster who go to immense effort to never ever lose a ship.
All ships are designed for kiting and tackling at 40km range, no matter the ship size or do you seriously deny this? |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 12:42:00 -
[446] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote:marketjacker wrote:In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just faggggoootttttt plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take. As you are a member of a militia where bulk of the pilots have 2nd account for that ever important t3 link machine, I find it quite hypocritical to whine about people using ECM. Reality of warfare in cal/gal front is that long-time members know each others link machines and cannot be arsed to take an uphill battle as it would just reward people like Dopified/Madbuster who go to immense effort to never ever lose a ship. All ships are designed for kiting and tackling at 40km range, no matter the ship size or do you seriously deny this?
All my AB frigs, dual drakes are for ramming into the fleeing children and raping them.
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BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
19
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:31:00 -
[447] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:Super Chair wrote:Falacio Burns wrote:One of my corps main gripes while in Caldari militia was, there are too many people in fleets with stealth bombers and not real ships. In my experience, SBs just get dead. 4 Horsemen was the only corp, that we saw, actually fielding real ships when we made our short tour in FW.
Qcats were good for some GFs though... Most new players are fascinated with the idea of cloaked pvp. They don't realize that they have to uncloak (and thus risk their ship) to shoot something. A lot of FCs tell these players to GTFO of fleet if they bring these and cannot bring something else because 1) there's no guarantee that player will uncloak to shoot something when fight happens, 2) said player probably can't scout and tell the difference between a friendly, pie, neutral, wartarget, it's all the same to these players , and 3) That player gets 5 light drones on them, realizes they cannot cloak and dies in a ball of fire In other news, some SLAPD guy lost his slicer to a manticore (it was using torps) Good lord you are butthurt, making up kills that don't even exist!!! Oh well almost everyone we forcefully eject gets this way. Also cloaked pvp is the desire of the noob, but the risk adverse veteran pilots use ECM extensively. This has to be one of the most crippling tools in the game, not for the gang facing it usually, because they will see it when it's used improperly (which it always is by all current Caldari FW groups) but for the users of said ECM. They rely on it as a cloak against any threat of losing, and have no idea how to fly evasively, fly smart, or just plain old fly at all. Fits can be **** and you can win with enough ECM. We all know your ECM alts by now, and there are pilots in established squid groups that fly NOTHING BUT FALCONS. You can use ECM to suprise people but when it's the only thing a guy flies it's no longer a surprise, just a way to deter fights. In the end that's what you guys seem to have in mind. No fights, just faggggoootttttt plexing. When ECM gets nerfed I cannot imagine how much of a morale hit you will take.
Just because SLAPD doesn't understand how ECM is supposed to be flown, fitted and used doesn't make it "for the risk adverse" . It actually is for those of the intelligent. An undersized fleet (like ours) can even the playing field when blobbed by intelligently utilizing ECM. Its not our problem you cant find a good counter.
Then you complain about plexing....lol...Sounds like if its not pvp on your terms you are the one that is butthurt.
Get used to it because thats all you are going to get.
Once again SLAPD speaks....what next raging because we bring AF and EAFs????
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marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:37:00 -
[448] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74708&find=unread
you won't do it coward |
BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
19
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:45:00 -
[449] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74708&find=unread
you won't do it coward
Very simple I wont do it just to blue ball you.
You think I care if one of my ships gets blown up. Happens all the time. I could give a crap about it.
But blue balling you....priceless |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
9
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:47:00 -
[450] - Quote
I don't think you understand, SLAPD doesn't rely on FW plexing faggotry for kills brospeh. We are pirates that are in FW. |
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Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.02.27 15:53:00 -
[451] - Quote
Cal / Gal seem to be butthurt faggots HAI GUISE |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:24:00 -
[452] - Quote
Na, it's just typical everyday FW hate speech TBH though if I had your KB I might make fun of other people to make myself feel better as well.
Dorian Tormak wrote:Cal / Gal seem to be butthurt faggots
Is sexy time? |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.02.27 16:51:00 -
[453] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote:Na, it's just typical everyday FW hate speech TBH though if I had your KB I might make fun of other people to make myself feel better as well. Dorian Tormak wrote:Cal / Gal seem to be butthurt faggots that's the problem you give a **** about KBs
secondly, 1v1 me. HAI GUISE |
BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
19
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:36:00 -
[454] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:I don't think you understand, SLAPD doesn't rely on FW plexing faggotry for kills brospeh. We are pirates that are in FW.
AKA we are flaming bags of turds that can only fly expensive ships with fleet boosting alts...never mind the small stuff that takes skills to fly.
QUICK RESHIP! |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2012.02.27 19:56:00 -
[455] - Quote
Anytime big guy
Dorian Tormak wrote: secondly, 1v1 me.
Is sexy time? |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
10
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:01:00 -
[456] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:marketjacker wrote:I don't think you understand, SLAPD doesn't rely on FW plexing faggotry for kills brospeh. We are pirates that are in FW. AKA we are flaming bags of turds that can only fly expensive ships with fleet boosting alts...never mind the small stuff that takes skills to fly. QUICK RESHIP!
BC's are expensive? Also why are you such a poor scrub, only ******** people are poor in EVE.
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Tentaki
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
5
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Posted - 2012.02.27 20:01:00 -
[457] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:marketjacker wrote:I don't think you understand, SLAPD doesn't rely on FW plexing faggotry for kills brospeh. We are pirates that are in FW. AKA we are flaming bags of turds that can only fly expensive ships with fleet boosting alts...never mind the small stuff that takes skills to fly. QUICK RESHIP!
confirming bolster is a flaming bag of turds. |
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
10
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:00:00 -
[458] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:the small stuff that takes skills to fly. !
1v1 me in a destroyer or frigate. You won't do it, coward. SLAPD - Corp Janitor |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
21
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:08:00 -
[459] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:
the small stuff that takes skills to fly.
Like when you repeatedly blew yourself up with bombs by launching them while orbiting? Also, please for everyone's sanity 1v1 Bluejacket
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FuzzyButt
Piranha Protectorate Terra Axiom
1
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Posted - 2012.02.28 10:31:00 -
[460] - Quote
Shaalira D'arc wrote: When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
Hey we flipped Enaluri =3 |
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Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
20
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:56:00 -
[461] - Quote
BolsterBomb wrote:marketjacker wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74708&find=unread
you won't do it coward Very simple I wont do it just to blue ball you. You think I care if one of my ships gets blown up. Happens all the time. I could give a crap about it. But blue balling you....priceless
Looks like someone is still butthurt about getting run out of Gal mil for excessive failure. |
DNLeviathan
Stargate Systems Zombie Ninja Space Bears
24
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:34:00 -
[462] - Quote
FuzzyButt wrote:Shaalira D'arc wrote: When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
Hey we flipped Enaluri =3
i was there |
Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.03.01 22:44:00 -
[463] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote:Anytime big guy Dorian Tormak wrote: secondly, 1v1 me.
Why do you quote the way you quote? It makes my OCD radar go off the charts Also can i watch? No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
163
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:43:00 -
[464] - Quote
Pulgy wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Anytime big guy Dorian Tormak wrote: secondly, 1v1 me.
Why do you quote the way you quote? It makes my OCD radar go off the charts Also can i watch?
Always wondered that myself. lol.
Though, that nearly as bad as Sync posting in all italics. If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
33
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Posted - 2012.03.02 02:15:00 -
[465] - Quote
I'm confused - in what way does nexx quote that is different than others? |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
66
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Posted - 2012.03.02 02:28:00 -
[466] - Quote
He always puts the quoted section at the end of the response to it. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
163
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Posted - 2012.03.02 04:19:00 -
[467] - Quote
Julius Foederatus wrote:He always puts the quoted section at the end of the response to it.
Yeah I keep looking at the quote and then wondering why isn't there text below it...It just doesn't make sense |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2012.03.02 14:57:00 -
[468] - Quote
That's because what I have to say is always more important then what I am responding to ;)
tbh I am not entirely sure why i do that, I blame chatgris.
Julius Foederatus wrote:He always puts the quoted section at the end of the response to it.
Is sexy time? |
sakara123
Piranha Protectorate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.02 15:09:00 -
[469] - Quote
FuzzyButt wrote:Shaalira D'arc wrote: When we flipped Enaluri, one of the complaints a CalMil pilot voiced in local was Gallente reliance on 'blobs' and dirty spying tactics. Speaking from a personal perspective, I've never had access to spy data during PvP. Our FC at the time, one of the more well-known ones in GalMil, was also ignorant of any infiltration by us in CalMil's channels.
Hey we flipped Enaluri =3 I think we did a bit more than flip it :P |
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
10
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:05:00 -
[470] - Quote
Princess Nexxala wrote: I blame chatgris.
SLAPD - Corp Janitor |
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Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
50
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:24:00 -
[471] - Quote
Bluejacket CT wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote: I blame chatgris. Don't we all. I was once +5 sec status you know. No range? No problem!Join the Church of the Holy BlasterGäó . A Hybrid religion. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
35
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:23:00 -
[472] - Quote
Pulgy wrote:Bluejacket CT wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote: I blame chatgris. Don't we all. I was once +5 sec status you know.
*THAT* is Nexx's fault. |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
34
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:12:00 -
[473] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Pulgy wrote:Bluejacket CT wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote: I blame chatgris. Don't we all. I was once +5 sec status you know. *THAT* is Nexx's fault.
LOL.... but it took him to corrupt you before the rest would follow.... |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
3
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:00:00 -
[474] - Quote
Time to change the thread name to:
'WTF - The Squids are finally getting their **** together.'
Things are improving in the CalMil. :) Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
164
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Posted - 2012.03.05 01:23:00 -
[475] - Quote
This is now a rammus thread
Ok. |
Coffeez
Purdue Engineering and Technology Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2012.03.05 03:46:00 -
[476] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Pulgy wrote:Bluejacket CT wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote: I blame chatgris. Don't we all. I was once +5 sec status you know. *THAT* is Nexx's fault.
Oh the days of having positive sec status...
Then i started following chat around. |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
23
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:30:00 -
[477] - Quote
is he the one who tricked you into buying sunglasses instead of the far superior goggles? |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:44:00 -
[478] - Quote
Coffeez wrote:chatgris wrote:Pulgy wrote:Bluejacket CT wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote: I blame chatgris. Don't we all. I was once +5 sec status you know. *THAT* is Nexx's fault. Oh the days of having positive sec status... Then i started following chat around. Coffeez! Come home.
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