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Juicy Aivo
NANO Tech Trading Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:34:43 -
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Hey folks, this has been bothering me for a while. It has been 9 years and 6 months since i had first logged onto TQ. It was amazing, so many 24k players online at the peak EU TZ. However since then things gone from bad to worse for EVE online in making new players because after all these years at the very same hour (15;30 12/05/2016) it is the same 24k players online.
Just 1 thing, me same as many others now has more than 1 acc. Which makes significant loss of actual players/bodies not ALTs. Where did you (EVE sales department guys) go WRONG with trying to attract more bodies into the game??? I know there will be hates of this post but consider this, if eve online had 500k players they could REDUCE price per month by 5x or 10x. However they chose to do NOTHING and makes us all pay every month the same amount of money as you were buying a new game every month or even more. This even makes me to consider leave this game because they are ripping us off! |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:40:11 -
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INB4
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.12 15:44:12 -
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Can i have your stuff if you do leave?
Better the Devil you know.
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Johnathan Coffey
Niforce Triggers
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:10:08 -
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There's only so many people able and willing to put up with this game. I won't go as far as saying that the market is saturated but I don't think that putting more advertisement out would get you the right kind of players in here. Chances are, 99% of them would quit after two days.
First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING.
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hurgmurflUr
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:12:54 -
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Juicy Aivo wrote: . Where did you (EVE sales department guys) go WRONG with trying to attract more bodies into the game??? I know there will be hates of this post but consider this, if eve online had 500k players they could REDUCE price per month by 5x or 10x. However they chose to do NOTHING and makes us all pay every month the same amount of money as you were buying a new game every month or even more. This even makes me to consider leave this game because they are ripping us off!
You think if they had more subscribers they would forego the increased profits and massively reduce the price of their product?
That sounds like an incredibly unrealistic expectation. |
Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:38:02 -
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Dear new players: OP is an example of what not to become.
IB4 deserved L
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.05.12 16:46:22 -
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You are not a new player and this is not a question.
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:42:27 -
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So I am going to agree with some others here.
One, you are not a New Player, nor are you posting a new Player Q or A (so I will move this to General Discussion)
There is no real discussion in this topic.
Quote:23. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
32. Rumor mongering is prohibited.
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the well being and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. CCP has done a fair bit to improve the New Player Experience and Advertise Eve to New Players over the last few years. There were even presentations at Fanfest this year talking about the Health of the Game's Community through Raw Numbers presented by CCP Quant.
There is also no substance to the statement that if CCP had 500k Active Players daily that they could reduce subscription costs. Having More active players would require much more Infrastructure which costs more money and requires more upkeep.
ISD Gallifreyan
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)
Interstellar Services Department
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:46:19 -
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Thread has been moved to EVE General Discussion.
ISD Gallifreyan
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)
Interstellar Services Department
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:12:57 -
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OK. I will Unlock this then to allow some Constructive Discussion.
Lets see how long it will stay open for. (Don't make me regret it.)
ISD Gallifreyan
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)
Interstellar Services Department
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
15664
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:25:43 -
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ISD Gallifreyan wrote:OK. I will Unlock this then to allow some Constructive Discussion.
Lets see how long it will stay open for. (Don't make me regret it.) *cracks knuckles*
Better the Devil you know.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:27:00 -
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EVE has longevity in the market, and that is a valuable thing. CCP once tried to move to bigger and better things, they made DUST-514 and tried to make World of Darkness the MMO, but after spending a lot and not getting that much back, they realized they had abandoned their faithful baby. EVE kept chugging along without development support, generating funds but it began to lose long-term players because CCP was ignoring glaring issues that weren't that difficult to fix. Now they spend a small amount of their budget on continually making EVE a better game while being VERY careful not to destroy what we faithful EVE players like most about it, and they have the majority of their budget left over to spend on bigger projects that could make them rich and famous but might not be successful.
EVE is the project they know will make money. And that is very important in a fiercely competitive market such as the one CCP is dabbling in. Without us, CCP may have been sunk, and it would have taken with it one of the richest people in Iceland--CCP Hilmar.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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John Hand
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:40:12 -
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Only thing I wish for is a price reduction on the sub/month.
This is a game where having 2 or more toons is REQUIRED, not a want but a requirement to succeed at this game. If the sub was $5 a month, it would be FAR easier pill to swallow for someone who has 3 or even 10 toons.
Currently most people who run more then 2+ accounts, only actually will pay for 2 of them (if at all) and will use PLEX to sub the rest. CCP is still getting sub money from somewhere, even if YOU are not the one actually paying for it, since someone else had to buy the PLEX with IRL money at some point before you bought it and used it to sub.
If the price for subbing went down, it would turn more people to using subs rather then PLEX. This would, in the long run, be more quick cash for CCP on a monthly basis. Since someone who is using PLEX's is using "old" money that might of been spent years ago and thus no direct $$$ to CCP (as it was cash already spent by CCP).
As for PLEX's, they would be viewed as a more "quick ISK" venture (not like they are already viewed like that). With the price of a SUBS going down, people would be more likely to buy a PLEX or two for quick ISK since now they would have "more" actual money to spend on the game. Save the customer money in one area, and see more money spent in another.
Not to mention, with a lower sub cost, it would attract more players from other games that have NOT lowered there sub... |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:42:10 -
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From time to time, in seasonal coating, the eve is dying thread.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:51:50 -
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Juicy Aivo wrote:... they could REDUCE price per month by 5x or 10!
So, 3 monies or less per month per subscription? Wow...I'd be subbing for a long time along with many others...CCP employees don't need paychecks, and who wants new server hardware and physical game infrastructure maintenance anyway?
...Actually...maybe subbing for a long time wouldn't be that great of an idea in such a case...
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.05.12 23:15:31 -
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I disagree with the concept the OP is putting forward. In order for an Epic Fail to have happened, the game would have to have been damaged or destroyed by it's advertising. That has not happened. Even the OP said "9 Years Later" which implies the game is still GOING 9 years later with about the same subscription rate.
So, no epic fail here... however, no epic win either.
I've wondered for a long time now about how I would market this game. I have to admit, it's really hard. They've tried the mega fleet battles, the decisions have consequences, the various 'desciptive' ads supporting the various expansions. All of that is fine, but while the ads are cool, I don't want to dive into the game.
In many ways, the best advertising for the game is the players themselves. I've seen a couple of ad attempts down this road also but again, nothing that would make my fingers fly across the keyboard to join. I joined because a friend of mine lead me to try it. That's it.
So, right now my brain is settling on the idea that the game itself is the advertising it needs. I'm not talking trial periods, nor streams of large fleet fights or day to day ho-hum stuff. I'm talking CCP opening YouTube and Twitch channels, turning live time over to players with events and discussions going on over various things. Take people back into the programmer dungeons, as well as into the brainstorming meetings. Put up constant content. Have regularly scheduled shows "Newbro Hour", "Fitting your...." (Yeah, start with the Raven ), "PVP Playground", "Corporation Corner"... etc. In EVE you literally have all the stock market financial shows, builders content, Military content, social content, drama, comedy, reality show etc. The game is a reflection of the real life and real people in it. Put it out there!
There are already some YouTube stars centered on EVE, they would be a great place to start for some help in developing stuff. Make it fun, make it entertaining, make it brutal and awesome.
Show off EVE!
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.05.12 23:19:14 -
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Quote:after all these years at the very same hour (15;30 12/05/2016) it is the same 24k players online.
The real story here is how despite EVE's Boromir-esque death stagger that has lasted thirteen years now, purportedly hemorrhaging players at a staggering rate, the server remains as active as it was a decade ago. Go CCP?
Quote: if eve online had 500k players they could REDUCE price per month by 5x or 10x.
Only they wouldn't. They'd have spent 5 to 10 times as much on side projects, and nodes would crash 5 to 10 times more frequently. An equally enlarged proportion of players would both hate and demand walking in stations, EVE would be dying at an increased rate, we'd have a momument on the frickin' moon instead of in Iceland. I mean, I could go on. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
245
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Posted - 2016.05.12 23:19:57 -
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(On a side note)
CCP can also monetize EVE via such a channel. Pay in game ISK or PLEX for ad time for your alliances, YouTube show, tutorial channels, whatever. They can take money from other MMO's, games and interests. Get creative!
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Gee Shunziji
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Posted - 2016.05.12 23:23:43 -
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Juicy Aivo wrote:Hey folks, this has been bothering me for a while. It has been 9 years and 6 months since i had first logged onto TQ. It was amazing, so many 24k players online at the peak EU TZ. However since then things gone from bad to worse for EVE online in making new players because after all these years at the very same hour (15;30 12/05/2016) it is the same 24k players online.
Just 1 thing, me same as many others now has more than 1 acc. Which makes significant loss of actual players/bodies not ALTs. Where did you (EVE sales department guys) go WRONG with trying to attract more bodies into the game??? I know there will be hates of this post but consider this, if eve online had 500k players they could REDUCE price per month by 5x or 10x. However they chose to do NOTHING and makes us all pay every month the same amount of money as you were buying a new game every month or even more. This even makes me to consider leave this game because they are ripping us off!
Hey. Hm ... Please don't.
Leave business to business men and philosophy to the philosophers. If playing multiple accounts is too expensive for you ... well... i hope you are smart enough to figure out the answer on your own.
If i may offer a clue, when i go to McDonald's, it does not matter if i buy one or twenty five Big Macs. They charge them all to me the same price.
Bonus tip : i can not afford to have 5 cell phones, so i have only 1.
'' Why would i work hard when i can kill for loot and brag about my below average size genitals ? "
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1346
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Posted - 2016.05.13 00:40:09 -
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May Arethusa wrote:.we'd have a momument on the frickin' moon instead of in Iceland.
Isn't the moon closer?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4245
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Posted - 2016.05.13 01:11:37 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:May Arethusa wrote:.we'd have a momument on the frickin' moon instead of in Iceland. Isn't the moon closer? I hear the weather is better at least. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
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Posted - 2016.05.13 01:27:49 -
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Juicy Aivo wrote:Hey folks, this has been bothering me for a while. It has been 9 years and 6 months since i had first logged onto TQ. It was amazing, so many 24k players online at the peak EU TZ. However since then things gone from bad to worse for EVE online in making new players because after all these years at the very same hour (15;30 12/05/2016) it is the same 24k players online.
Just 1 thing, me same as many others now has more than 1 acc. Which makes significant loss of actual players/bodies not ALTs. Where did you (EVE sales department guys) go WRONG with trying to attract more bodies into the game??? I know there will be hates of this post but consider this, if eve online had 500k players they could REDUCE price per month by 5x or 10x. However they chose to do NOTHING and makes us all pay every month the same amount of money as you were buying a new game every month or even more. This even makes me to consider leave this game because they are ripping us off!
...And you think those 24k players 9 years ago are the exact same players you see today? you don't think that half those players has unsubbed, and the other half have joined the game since then? |
Hawke Frost
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Posted - 2016.05.13 01:45:42 -
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There's this little thing called inflation. We're completely fine with cars, food, your starbucks coffee, life itself, become way more expensive over the past 12 years. But somehow MMO's are not allowed to adjust for inflation, because :stupid uninformed selfish reasons:. |
aldhura
Bartledannians
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Posted - 2016.05.13 02:51:51 -
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Perhaps its because EVE sells itself as a PVP game, surprisingly not everyone wants to come home from a hard days work and have to put up with some of the "characters" in EVE. I know someone who spends more on farmville that I do on eve so its not money thing in many cases.
Bartledannians Corporation is recruiting
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.05.13 05:34:45 -
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LOL! What was the subject? (construct construct construct - discuss discuss discuss)
If you don't know what EVE is, you're in some digital backwater. EVE was even on the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather for an in-game event once. Not only can you Google that still, it's an internet historical event.
EVE has a reputation as well; well-deserved in some cases; rather exaggerated in others.
Even the figures will show you EVE isn't lagging behind any game in the trial period being used. The thing about EVE is, its population plays a game only roughly 20% of the internet gaming population enjoys. It's a conscious choice. It would be defended as one defends a religion if challenged.
You are what you are. If you want those who don't play EVE to play it, then the game has to be changed to appeal those people, and this would naturally really ****-off the people who like it just fine the way it is.
Look at it like wearing a Speed-O to the beach. Some people should. Others...please, don't.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Chewytowel Haklar
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.13 05:44:05 -
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What makes you think they would lower the price if they had more people playing EVE? I don't think that would happen at all. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1560
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Posted - 2016.05.13 06:50:48 -
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The issue here is simply what I touched upon before, to play this game to not be an easy kill you have to have two accounts, this means that many casual players give away easy kills because they don't, which means that they get disillusioned faster. I will not play Eve with a single account, so when I go and play another game I de-sub as I have said that Gé¼30 is my limit per month on MMO's.
I am not going to grind for plex and the like because I play a game and get the assets in game not to use that to pay for an account. In my opinion CCP would be better off doing a discount price for a second account which is linked to the main account which will deal with another issue with Eve. I think that would gain and retain a lot more casual players.
The fun with Eve is that it is deep and because it is full of entitled scum bags who use some mechanics very well to prey on others it is difficult, this means you have to have a mindset that is not daunted by a challenge, so for me it is the deepness of the game, the difficulty in some areas and the sheer nastiness of many of the players that keeps me interested, but most people find the last part a major put off.
So for me its a way of testing myself in a game which has the capacity to get under your skin, which is why I also play the forum game too and why I am very keen to put forward my viewpoint.
The key thing about this game is that it is a challenge, but sometimes CCP does not get that balance right and in doing so they have lost a lot of players. There are other games out there, but so far none are as deep of have the level of engagement, Star Citizen may do that, I have a friend in the PU testing and its looking good so far.
CCP recently made Capital game play awesome, the carriers now are a joy to play with, who ever designed that is very very good, what amused me was seeing the entitled rage by small gang PvP players who can no longer kill carriers with a destroyer swarm for no loss, oh the indignity of it, seeing such whining made me joyful... and that is Eve...
Ella's Snack bar. The Hisec sandbox is basically no longer a themepark for gankers now that CCP have rebalanced key areas. Well done CCP
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Darth Destroyer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.13 07:36:18 -
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Starting EVE is recently being a fail for new players, because of the tutorial and the tutorial missions. They make 1-2 mission about mining, exploration, etc, and next to that, they usually not knowing what menu-windows to use, what is what on the UI, etc. After they struggle themselves over with this whole tutorial procedure, they find themselves alone with no goals, no quests.
To solve this problem they should be introduced to EVE in a different way from the time of making their character. There should be a long RPG-like storyline they can make, mixed with some comic-book pictures stuff, introducing different menus, giving them much more immersive missions, much more knowledge, that lead them more deeply into the universe of EVE. The goal is, that after this long introduction, they should have make some own goals and they have the ability to start playing alone with confidence. |
Chewytowel Haklar
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2016.05.13 08:27:36 -
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Darth Destroyer wrote:
To solve this problem they should be introduced to EVE in a different way from the time of making their character. There should be a long RPG-like storyline they can make, mixed with some comic-book pictures stuff, introducing different menus, giving them much more immersive missions, much more knowledge, that lead them more deeply into the universe of EVE. The goal is, that after this long introduction, they should have make some own goals and they have the ability to start playing alone with confidence.
Today children we venture into the magical land of Overview and fight the terrible enemy within known as default settings. We must first gain the favor of our powerful friend the Tab, who can help us hack overview's settings and forge ahead to defeat its enemies. Once we do this we can control their mystical powers known as bracket settings. First, let us make a new friend called Warp To, so everyone go ahead and click on that little cute plus sign right next to the first tab in the land of Overview... |
lollerwaffle
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
288
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Posted - 2016.05.13 08:36:52 -
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John Hand wrote:This is a game where having 2 or more toons is REQUIRED, not a want but a requirement to succeed at this game. If the sub was $5 a month, it would be FAR easier pill to swallow for someone who has 3 or even 10 toons.
LOL LOLOLOLOL |
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