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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:51:55 -
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I hear this term going around a lot. It's the latest buzzword all the bittervets are using to talk about why all the other bittervets have magical powers of divination. Free intel. All your intel was handed to you for free, they say. I'd like to discuss the difference between 'free intel' and 'intel'.
Free intel is when you have data about someone else without having to perform any research. Free intel is delivered right to you, accessible at your fingertips at a moment's notice. Free intel requires no active effort from the recipient in order to process its details.
Intel is data which you have to go out of your way to get your hands on it. Intel requires time and effort to process. You may need to sift through large amounts of irrelevant data to find the data you want, when you are scanning through intel.
- The userlist in local is free intel.
- A pilot's corporate history is intel.
- The list of players in a station is free intel.
- Locator agents offer intel.
- The overview offers free intel.
- Intel chat channels offer intel.
- Directional scan offers free intel.
- Scan probes offer intel.
Please try to refrain from using the term 'free intel' when what you mean to say is 'intel'.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.05.12 19:56:17 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I hear this term going around a lot. It's the latest buzzword all the bittervets are using to talk about why all the other bittervets have magical powers of divination. Free intel. All your intel was handed to you for free, they say. I'd like to discuss the difference between 'free intel' and 'intel'. Free intel is when you have data about someone else without having to perform any research. Free intel is delivered right to you, accessible at your fingertips at a moment's notice. Free intel requires no active effort from the recipient in order to process its details. Intel is data which you have to go out of your way to get your hands on it. Intel requires time and effort to process. You may need to sift through large amounts of irrelevant data to find the data you want, when you are scanning through intel.
- The userlist in local is free intel.
- A pilot's corporate history is intel.
- The list of players in a station is free intel.
- Locator agents offer intel.
- The overview offers free intel.
- Intel chat channels offer intel.
- Directional scan offers free intel.
- Scan probes offer intel.
Please try to refrain from using the term 'free intel' when what you mean to say is 'intel'.
The free intel thing is mostly just people looking for something to blame for when things don't go their way. I mostly hear it from people flying through null looking for easy pve ship kills (when they don't get those kills because the target warped off).
Oddly, the people who complain the most about 'free intel' fly around in K- space (looking for easy kills using the same free intel they complain about) rather than living in wormhole space were information is more limited...
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Paul Panala
Nocx Initiative
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Posted - 2016.05.12 21:02:18 -
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I guess this thread if free intel. I didn't have to work for it, didn't really even want it, it just came to me. |
nezroy
Nice Clan
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Posted - 2016.05.12 21:34:48 -
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Paul Panala wrote:I guess this thread if free intel. I didn't have to work for it, didn't really even want it, it just came to me.
Well... it was free, but was it intel? |
Jinn McKellin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.12 21:36:37 -
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If you did not want it why read it... |
Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2016.05.12 21:51:35 -
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I would suggest free intel is anything the UI gives you where you don't have to react with anything in space, but there could be exceptions to that.
Right click read UI is free intel. DScan in space is not. Looking at local is. Probing local is not. In game map statistics is. Going to system and observing is not. Buddy online notifications was. Using Locator Agent isn't, so much, but is a bit easy now.
Locator Agent should provide wrong answers a times based upon some of your social skills and standing with that agent, IMO.
Well, that's my take on some of it. Feel free to disagree.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2954
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:02:29 -
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There isn't a fine line but I hear the term "free" a lot when it is clearly anything but free. One specific example I've heard several times is that killboards offer "free intel".
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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John Hand
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:24:32 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:There isn't a fine line but I hear the term "free" a lot when it is clearly anything but free. One specific example I've heard several times is that killboards offer "free intel".
Mostly you hear this from the WH people who roll around Null looking for easy kills, then ***** when they cant find any. Its the same line of complaints that got the JB networks nerfed the first time (when JBs werre 2 per a system). I mean, you are entering someone elses home and you do not expect them to have an advantage? What kind of idiot are you? LOL
Savvy players will look at KB's on a cloaky camper to get a feel for what that person flies, so you know what to keep an eye out for. What kind of targets he likes to hit, so as to easily bait him out and if he has any "friends" to worry about (black ops). That is just doing simple research on your opponents, which frankly, EVERY person should do. It makes you a better player and a better PvPer over time. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2016.05.12 22:35:48 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:There isn't a fine line but I hear the term "free" a lot when it is clearly anything but free. One specific example I've heard several times is that killboards offer "free intel".
The killboards are free intel. I't not like I'm paying Jeeves to press alt tab, open my browser, and search a system or a pilot's name.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2016.05.12 23:13:42 -
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It's possible they mean 'free intel' as a shorthand for 'freely available intel which anyone who is aware of can use'. Some distinctions here. Not everyone uses intel at all. There's a haberdashery of styles for intel gathering which are asymmetric. And there's a further subset of 'unfree intel' harvested from players via the meta, without their consent. That would be the 'unfree' part.
It's possible you're missing the distinction. Also, pushing people into utilising ingame info isn't necessarily meant in a condescending way; it can be a training tool, or designed to stop peole sliding into RL cyberstalking. Either you've moved on from this (and need to zone these conversations out) or you're being a bit pedantic about phrasing, but these are legit discussions being held right now across the game wrt to meta gaming info.
Either way - check yourself. You might be the one misinterpreting conversational undertones
Knowing they have more SP than I do isnGÇÖt going to stop me from taking the fight if I was going to take it.
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.05.12 23:30:05 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I hear this term going around a lot. It's the latest buzzword all the bittervets are using to talk about why all the other bittervets have magical powers of divination. Free intel. All your intel was handed to you for free, they say. I'd like to discuss the difference between 'free intel' and 'intel'. Free intel is when you have data about someone else without having to perform any research. Free intel is delivered right to you, accessible at your fingertips at a moment's notice. Free intel requires no active effort from the recipient in order to process its details. Intel is data which you have to go out of your way to get your hands on it. Intel requires time and effort to process. You may need to sift through large amounts of irrelevant data to find the data you want, when you are scanning through intel.
- The userlist in local is free intel.
- A pilot's corporate history is intel.
- The list of players in a station is free intel.
- Locator agents offer intel.
- The overview offers free intel.
- Intel chat channels offer intel.
- Directional scan offers free intel.
- Scan probes offer intel.
Please try to refrain from using the term 'free intel' when what you mean to say is 'intel'.
By your own logic, none of the things you list as free intel, are actually free.
Local: You have to fly there first. Without additional information gathered from standings and the overview settings, it's just a list of names. Guest list: See Local. Overview: I guess it is free, though to get any kind of meaningful use out of it, you need to set it up correctly. D-Scan: Being tied to the overview, and requiring input to function, and even more input to function effectively, it's not exactly free.
Quote:It's possible they mean 'free intel' as a shorthand for 'freely available intel which anyone who is aware of can use'.
Also, this.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
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Posted - 2016.05.13 00:40:00 -
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Why do people care about free intel? If its free intel, you get it too.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
734
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Posted - 2016.05.13 00:45:14 -
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All intel is then just intel. Even if its as simply available as "reading" it from a list it still means a unit of effort is expended. It is the huge dissemination of information that is very readily available that I consider "free" intel. Just as the world news that an adult knows on a daily basis is volumes more than that which a kindergarten child will know.
For me its the fact that I can know what joe blow is doing on the other side of the universe at a moments notice. Much like the jump fatigue issue was addressed to stop instant and easy travel so too I believe that the game has made knowing things far too easy. In the beginning of the game, or even when I was "young" in game terms, you do not know what is going on and it takes time for information to spread. The speed at which information travels these days as opposed to early on is exponentially faster and more people know of the "news" pool sources and do so earlier in their gaming lives. Much like children of today can read news from all over the globe as compared to children of a hundred years ago.
Early on this speed of information dissemination was essential to facilitate fights and gatherings of players to interact and now I believe it acts in exactly the reverse way. Yet that is just a personal opinion of mine. The main issue is you cannot really reverse the information spread now and trying to curtail it would hamper CCPs API and 3rd party programs initiatives nevermind anything else they want to do with the game publicity wise so I realize it wont happen.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2016.05.13 00:55:31 -
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I'm just going to call everything I don't like a free intel source from now on. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.13 01:23:10 -
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Free intel costs a buck oh'five
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.05.13 02:09:35 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I hear this term going around a lot. It's the latest buzzword all the bittervets are using to talk about why all the other bittervets have magical powers of divination. Free intel. All your intel was handed to you for free, they say. I'd like to discuss the difference between 'free intel' and 'intel'. Free intel is when you have data about someone else without having to perform any research. Free intel is delivered right to you, accessible at your fingertips at a moment's notice. Free intel requires no active effort from the recipient in order to process its details. Intel is data which you have to go out of your way to get your hands on it. Intel requires time and effort to process. You may need to sift through large amounts of irrelevant data to find the data you want, when you are scanning through intel.
- The userlist in local is free intel.
- A pilot's corporate history is intel.
- The list of players in a station is free intel.
- Locator agents offer intel.
- The overview offers free intel.
- Intel chat channels offer intel.
- Directional scan offers free intel.
- Scan probes offer intel.
Please try to refrain from using the term 'free intel' when what you mean to say is 'intel'.
I can see with my eyes and that is free intel! Nerf eyes! I propose that we change the UI to be braile and that we have to feel our way on it.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
198
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Posted - 2016.05.13 05:40:05 -
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Came expecting a plea to liberate thinking. Left wondering why people type up all this inconsequential, useless "information."
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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