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Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2822	Posted - 2016.05.16 16:28:16 - [31] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: I think the 20 sec uncloaking delay is a little long. Isn't it more like 9?? It's 10 seconds unless you bling the cloak. Then you can get to 9 with bling.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1138	Posted - 2016.05.16 16:28:42 - [32] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: I think the 20 sec uncloaking delay is a little long. Isn't it more like 9?? ok 20 sec. is for unskilled cloak. with cloaking 4 its 12 seconds for improved cloak (which is still a LOT) a,d 18 seconds f++r prototype. What I'm saying is cloaky sabre is gimped and kills just total noobs.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2868	Posted - 2016.05.16 18:07:58 - [33] - Quote you do know how smartbombing works yeah? nothing to do with interdiction nullification or align time, and if smartbombing wasnt effective then you wouldnt have smartbombing camps in nearly every pipeline in lowsec, it works for me because doesnt matter how many people you kill in rancer they just keep coming and its super funny FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1138	Posted - 2016.05.16 18:23:13 - [34] - Quote smartbombs arent an effective counter to nullified interceptors. Stop asking to bring a slowest subcap ship class in game for hunting the fastest ships.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2868	Posted - 2016.05.16 18:32:46 - [35] - Quote doesnt matter how fast a ship is, the smartbombs kill them when landing and they have bad tank, so they die, you just want them removed so you can get easier kills in your sabre. so what about the cloaky mwd trick, i suppose you are agaisnt that which is pretty much on every ship you come across now FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1138	Posted - 2016.05.16 18:54:48 - [36] - Quote no, I'm not against cloak-mwd trick, since bubbles help. im against entry level, 15m ships which negate 99.9% of the whole eve universe and offer safe travel across null/WH by just repeatedely clicking the jump button.
Iain Cariaba 3003	Posted - 2016.05.16 18:58:03 - [37] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: you just want them removed so you can get easier kills in your sabre. More likely he wants them removed because they're the only things he's not afraid to fight in his sabre. Not sure he even flies an interdictor, though, considering the lack of awareness he has about the mechanics behind it. After all, you supposedly need 20s to lock someone after decloaking in order to keep them from warping off with your bubbles. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Rivr Luzade Kenshin. DARKNESS. 2509	Posted - 2016.05.16 19:20:09 - [38] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: smartbombs arent an effective counter to nullified interceptors. Stop asking to bring a slowest subcap ship class in game for hunting the fastest ships. Like I said there are lowsec some people doing sb camps yet they have done them forever, they have nothing to do with interceptor hunting specifically. In null sec hardly anyone is doing it. The good thing is that the smartbomb BS do not need to move at all to intercept ceptors. They just need to be in the right spot between gates. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
elitatwo Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance 1216	Posted - 2016.05.16 19:36:34 - [39] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: How about a new script for Hictors that generate a smaller (actual size to balance) bubble that counter nullification. You'd need to man the gate to get a good coverage of the gate and build an actual camp since inty can probably burn back in the time it takes for a Hictor to lock them, let alone kill them. As long a Hictors will get a nerf to only fit one.. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2822	Posted - 2016.05.16 19:50:56 - [40] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: How about a new script for Hictors that generate a smaller (actual size to balance) bubble that counter nullification. You'd need to man the gate to get a good coverage of the gate and build an actual camp since inty can probably burn back in the time it takes for a Hictor to lock them, let alone kill them. As long a Hictors will get a nerf to only fit one.. My guess is people would be against that limit.
Tabyll Altol Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two 163	Posted - 2016.05.16 23:45:31 - [41] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: BobFromMarketing wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Anti-interdiction nullification already exists. It's called a point. A decently fit interceptor can attain warp before anyone with over 40 ping can lock them regardless of your scan res. Because of how server ticks work. Someone shouldn't be unable to tackle an interceptor because they live on the wrong side of the pond. Smartbombs Globby wrote: also remove 100% safe JF travel, also The number of dying JF suggests that JF travel is far from "100% save". / sign
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 10739	Posted - 2016.05.18 12:56:06 - [42] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: scary is not the issue. they are just too cheap, they are entry level skill wise and are accessible to anyone after 2 weeks playing, you dont need to risk 600m + SP loss when flying one unlike T3 whilst negating pretty much everything in your route aside of rare SB camps. If scary is not the issue than what is? Looks like a lot of accessible fun! Fun is the issue here? Accessible is the issue? Or that someone else is having it? Robert Caldera wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: Smartbombs work fine, not a solo one but more than one is great and around my area which has been mentioned is very common for sb camps (they are fun). if they would work fine, everyone wouldnt fly interceptors. Fact is, they dont and thats why they are so rare and thats the reason why they work fine for you - because there is virtually no chance to run into a smartbombing BS, especially if you know the usual places. That is not my post. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Planetary Interaction 2.1
Davian Thule Pirkibo Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2016.05.18 20:32:29 - [43] - Quote - 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger.
Iain Cariaba 3011	Posted - 2016.05.18 21:22:40 - [44] - Quote Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: - 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger. Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? ). Now, you don't see this as much. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2826	Posted - 2016.05.18 23:16:47 - [45] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: - 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger. Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? ). Now, you don't see this as much. They could of solved the stupidity of un-manny bubble by changing bubbles instead of giving a class of ship the ability to force a comp on any camp willing to stop them. It's smartbomb or bust to catch these now.
Iain Cariaba 3013	Posted - 2016.05.19 01:26:09 - [46] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: - 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger. Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? ). Now, you don't see this as much. They could of solved the stupidity of un-manny bubble by changing bubbles instead of giving a class of ship the ability to force a comp on any camp willing to stop them. It's smartbomb or bust to catch these now. Pretty certain adding nullification was easier. IIRC, bubble code is mixed in with POS code, or something like that. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2826	Posted - 2016.05.19 12:12:15 - [47] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Iain Cariaba wrote: Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: - 1, would wreck balance for solo roamers who can slip past large gate camps. Also why are ceptors "aids" they are easy as hell to kill in frig pvp and are not a threat to most ships, unless they pack a cyno. Smart bomb camps are more common then you think. The fact a ship is low sp/entry level has little to do with its balance. Interdiction nullification is important otherwise you will shift balance to people who are there for easy as hell kills or will force the solo roamer into small gangs or larger. Also, prior to interdiction nullification, you couldn't fly five jumps through nullsec without running into at least three gate bubbles, usually unmanned and there for no other reason than to slow you down (Anyone else remember the 100km radius bubble array on the EC- gate to highsec? ). Now, you don't see this as much. They could of solved the stupidity of un-manny bubble by changing bubbles instead of giving a class of ship the ability to force a comp on any camp willing to stop them. It's smartbomb or bust to catch these now. Pretty certain adding nullification was easier. IIRC, bubble code is mixed in with POS code, or something like that. Of course giving immunity to inties was easier but that does not mean it's the best way to deal with the issue. Making bubbles de-activate based on a timer would of done it. It would of required a minimal manning of those bubbles at least on an interval instead of the state they were where you could bubble a gate and leave it like that for days unless someone did the hard work of shooting them.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1142	Posted - 2016.05.19 13:13:54 - [48] - Quote also, CCP could at least give them immunity only to anchorable bubbles, so players had a chance to stop them without resorting to something ridiculous as smartbomb battleship
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2889	Posted - 2016.05.19 13:22:56 - [49] - Quote why the hate for smartbombing battleships FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1145	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:08:52 - [50] - Quote because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop.
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1145	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:10:33 - [51] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: If scary is not the issue than what is? Looks like a lot of accessible fun! Fun is the issue here? Accessible is the issue? Or that someone else is having it? its the cheap way to exclude themselves from pew pew and my lost fun of killing them when they had to move around in catchable ships.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2893	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:13:23 - [52] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop. sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly hunting FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1145	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:19:28 - [53] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop. sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly hunting what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving? Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2828	Posted - 2016.05.19 15:38:00 - [54] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop. sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly hunting I still think it's a bad design to have the best tool to kill an interceptor be a battleship with a rack of smartbomb no matter how close or far from a definition of hunting this activity can be.
Edward Olmops Gunboat Commando 336	Posted - 2016.05.19 16:07:51 - [55] - Quote Please consider also a different thing: forcing people to jump through gates blindly is bad.
Davian Thule Pirkibo Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2016.05.19 16:51:18 - [56] - Quote Robert Caldera wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop. sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly hunting what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving? Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers. You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area,
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2894	Posted - 2016.05.19 17:30:45 - [57] - Quote Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop. sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly hunting what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving? Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers. You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area, or nerf bubbles FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 2054	Posted - 2016.05.19 17:45:36 - [58] - Quote Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: because bringing up a battleship for hunting interceptors an incredibly stupid idea, please stop. sitting on a gate cloaked like a sabre is hardly hunting what if I said, the sabre is not cloaked and even moving? Stop making empty assumptions. It also could be a hic, or another interceptor camping an anchorable bubble, or hac, or a caracal, maybe assault frigate or pirate faction frigate. Yet bubble nullification negates all those sorts of dangers. You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area, I'm missing something here. When they gave the nullification buff to interceptors.... remind me again of what they took away. Since they didn't remove anything when giving the buff, per your above rules the nullification buff should be... nullified. You're making an 'empty assumption' that nerfs and buffs are balanced. In this case there was no balance. TLDR you're argument makes no sense - SPECIFICALLY when talking about interceptors that got a nullification buff w/ no corresponding nerf. (picture yourself painted into a corner holding a brush and bucket of paint)
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1145	Posted - 2016.05.19 20:16:23 - [59] - Quote Davian Thule Pirkibo wrote: You do realise that your not meant to be able to stop all frigs right? Everything has its speciality, and a counter, if you remove interdiction nullification you must give a buff to Ceptors in another area, is this a self backing argument? That we cant stop them right now is exactly the topic here and worst game design. like others pointed out already.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2832	Posted - 2016.05.19 20:36:10 - [60] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: TLDR you're argument makes no sense - SPECIFICALLY when talking about interceptors that got a nullification buff w/ no corresponding nerf. (picture yourself painted into a corner holding a brush and bucket of paint) When you paint yourself that hard into a corner, you have at least a roller or even a paint gun in your hand. Not a lousy brush.

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