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Arjar Skord
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.19 22:45:25 -
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I had some money on my Steam account and decided buy some plex during the eve steam-sale, already sold the Plex for ISK and now I'm planning on buying some injectors and get myself in to a Battleship for lvl 4 missioning.
I've enough ISK now to buy 30 injectors and from playing around with Evemon that seems more than enough to get Mastery IV on every battleship, including Marauders. I probably won't need that many since I already have some skills trained, and not every skill listed under mastery is useful, but they serve as a good base ( that's what I was told anyway ).
With that in mind, which Battleship should I train for?
I plan on doing missions for SoE since they seem to have the best ISK/LP, probably in Lanngisi since it's near of where I currently have my things. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2016.05.19 23:11:03 -
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Arjar Skord wrote:I had some money on my Steam account and decided buy some plex during the eve steam-sale, already sold the Plex for ISK and now I'm planning on buying some injectors and get myself in to a Battleship for lvl 4 missioning.
I've enough ISK now to buy 30 injectors and from playing around with Evemon that seems more than enough to get Mastery IV on every battleship, including Marauders. I probably won't need that many since I already have some skills trained, and not every skill listed under mastery is useful, but they serve as a good base ( that's what I was told anyway ).
With that in mind, which Battleship should I train for?
I plan on doing missions for SoE since they seem to have the best ISK/LP, probably in Lanngisi since it's near of where I currently have my things. I guess the first thing you need to decide on is missiles, guns or drones as your primary weapon and based on what you may already have trained. Are you looking at a specific area of space or something region-inependent?
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SweetLips Shayiskhun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.19 23:57:54 -
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The only viable ship for running successful L4 missions is the Hyperion.
Get that mastered and the isk will flow like the nectar of the Gods! |
Arjar Skord
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.20 00:15:49 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote: I guess the first thing you need to decide on is missiles, guns or drones as your primary weapon (what you've already trained up may influence this)
I like missiles so far ( I use a cyclone atm ), but if the other weapon types are better I can just inject and get them.
Arthur Aihaken wrote:You mentioned the SoE region, so are you planning on blitzing or clearing missions? If the former there's really only one ship that's geared towards this.
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.05.20 00:19:39 -
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SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:The only viable ship for running successful L4 missions is the Hyperion. Wat
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2016.05.20 00:58:23 -
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Arjar Skord wrote:I like missiles so far ( I use a cyclone atm ), but if the other weapon types are better I can just inject and get them. I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient. That does help narrow it down. If we're sticking primarily with missiles, I would lean towards either the Rattlesnake or Golem. The Rattlesnake needs more skills to be effective (which isn't necessarily an issue) and does more raw damage, but has a harder time applying this because there are no inherent drone or missile application bonuses and missiles are limited to thermal or kinetic damage. The Golem has bar none the best missile application bonuses of any hull platform, an insane tank and the ability to salvage as you go. Both can be easily run with Hyperspacial rigs and Ascendancy implants to cut down on mission time (if I recall, SoE missions often have large AU distances).
You could also look at the Barghest, but even though it does more damage you'll find in practice it ends up doing the same or less applied damage with the lack of application bonuses. The Raven Navy Issue is almost identical to the Golem in terms of damage and application, but lacks any utility highs and tends to consume a lot of ammunition.
Stick with T2 cruise missile launchers and T2 Fury ammunition. Torpedoes lack sufficient range and you'll find whatever small damage and application gains are often offset by extra maneuvering and lost volleys in-transit. Rapid heavy launchers are really a PvP weapon as they have short range, high damage and excellent application - but the 35-second reload ends up placing the overall DPS well behind both torpedoes and cruise missiles.
Finally, we have the Raven, Navy Scorpion, Typhoon and Typhoon Fleet Issue. Most of these again do the same DPS on paper but this achieved through a higher rate of fire - so you'll consume more ammunition (the Typhoon Fleet Issue has the second highest raw DPS after the Barghest). All except the Raven lack any missile velocity bonus so you're looking at significantly longer flight times. The Typhoon does have the same explosion velocity bonus as the Golem, but as an armor setup it's pretty decent.
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Arjar Skord
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.20 01:26:58 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Arjar Skord wrote:I like missiles so far ( I use a cyclone atm ), but if the other weapon types are better I can just inject and get them. I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient. That does help narrow it down. If we're sticking primarily with missiles, I would lean towards either the Rattlesnake or Golem. The Rattlesnake needs more skills to be effective (which isn't necessarily an issue) and does more raw damage, but has a harder time applying this because there are no inherent drone or missile application bonuses and missiles are limited to thermal or kinetic damage. The Golem has bar none the best missile application bonuses of any hull platform, an insane tank and the ability to salvage as you go. Both can be easily run with Hyperspacial rigs and Ascendancy implants to cut down on mission time (if I recall, SoE missions often have large AU distances). You could also look at the Barghest, but even though it does more damage you'll find in practice it ends up doing the same or less applied damage with the lack of application bonuses. The Raven Navy Issue is almost identical to the Golem in terms of damage and application, but lacks any utility highs and tends to consume a lot of ammunition. Stick with T2 cruise missile launchers and T2 Fury ammunition. Torpedoes lack sufficient range and you'll find whatever small damage and application gains are often offset by extra maneuvering and lost volleys in-transit. Rapid heavy launchers are really a PvP weapon as they have short range, high damage and excellent application - but the 35-second reload ends up placing the overall DPS well behind both torpedoes and cruise missiles. Finally, we have the Raven, Navy Scorpion, Typhoon and Typhoon Fleet Issue. Most of these again do the same DPS on paper but this achieved through a higher rate of fire - so you'll consume more ammunition (the Typhoon Fleet Issue has the second highest raw DPS after the Barghest). All except the Raven lack any missile velocity bonus so you're looking at significantly longer flight times. The Typhoon does have the same explosion velocity bonus as the Golem, but as an armor setup it's pretty decent.
Awesome, thank you!
I'll start looking for some Golem fits then. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2016.05.20 01:47:16 -
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Arjar Skord wrote:Awesome, thank you! I'll start looking for some Golem fits then. You're more than welcome.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.20 01:55:52 -
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Play with stuff. It's fun. And/or make and bring friends.
Or read guide, run missions until you're bored, and wonder why you let anyone talk you into this game.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.20 17:50:21 -
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As you have used skill injectors, I recommend that you do not get a Marauder, as you should get some experience with a T1 battleship before you get the other, as they are quite a expensive loss. |
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2016.05.20 19:15:04 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:As you have used skill injectors, I recommend that you do not get a Marauder, as you should get some experience with a T1 battleship before you get the other, as they are quite a expensive loss. This probably isn't a bad suggestion, but I would only fit T1 rigs or leave it unrigged so that when you go to eventually sell it and trade up to the Marauder you don't take an unnecessary ISK hit. While there are numerous Golem fits out there (including some I've shared), I'd probably go with something tankier and cap stable as it will be a bit more forgiving, ie: Damage Control, 2x Adaptive Invulnerabilities, 2x Large Cap Batteries and Large Deadspace shield booster. As you get more comfortable you can pare it down from there.
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Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.23 09:05:26 -
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SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:The only viable ship for running successful L4 missions is the Hyperion.
Get that mastered and the isk will flow like the nectar of the Gods!
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.23 18:28:04 -
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Arjar Skord wrote:
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient.
This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder.
I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2016.05.23 20:21:28 -
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Klymer wrote:This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder. I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there. Not to disagree with your point, but a lot of those look to be legitimate war targets as opposed to gank victims (at least within the last week anyway).
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2016.05.24 14:39:10 -
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dont forget to buy shiny x-type stuff for your ship so you can run best mission agents in Motsu for max profit!! |
Raging Bull Unchained
Einheit X-6
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Posted - 2016.05.24 14:45:33 -
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Before you drop a huge lot of injectors towards a golem you can always tryout the raven first. At least then you didnt waste to many injectors in a ship that might eventually not fit your taste.
With that INSANLEY LARGE AMMOUNT OF ISK (not shouting, just to make clear what i m talking about) you can max all frigs and get to lowsec till you-Śre 80 years old probably :P |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2016.05.24 15:08:33 -
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I would suggest just activating the plex and playing the game. |
aldhura
Bartledannians The Ascendancy Protocol
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Posted - 2016.05.24 19:41:37 -
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I would start with the golem with cruise missiles. It is in my opinion the bets all round lvvl4 missions ship. It has select able damage and with a not to fancy fit you will be able to 1 shot cruisers and bc without having to switch from fury. There are other which will do a specific mission faster/better, but all round the golem is best. I have used almost every ship in the game and from my experience, its the way to go. I tend to switch ships depending on the mission so I know what each of them can do, but as far as choosing just one, go for the golem.
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SweetLips Shayiskhun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.24 20:56:32 -
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Klymer wrote:Arjar Skord wrote:
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient.
This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder. I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there.
Ganked? he is in high sec safe space so this is not possible.
But yes he needs not marauder but hyperion which is best missions ship
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atomic killer
F.A.M.I.L.Y Without Fears
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Posted - 2016.05.24 21:18:39 -
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It's a very wrong question to ask. It all depends what ships you like to fly. Personaly I realy like Machariel for PvE, but that's my personal choice and it doesn't mean that it's the best.
Other people like Rattlesnake (personaly I hate it, cause it is a flying brick with drones) or Barghest.
Other people prefer Tengu's for mission running.
So it is realy up to you what to fly ! |
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atomic killer
F.A.M.I.L.Y Without Fears
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Posted - 2016.05.24 21:19:26 -
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SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:Klymer wrote:Arjar Skord wrote:
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient.
This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder. I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there. Ganked? he is in high sec safe space so this is not possible. But yes he needs not marauder but hyperion which is best missions ship
Yes....ganked. In hi sec. Even freighters get ganked in hisec. |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2016.05.24 21:27:28 -
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SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:Klymer wrote:Arjar Skord wrote:
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient.
This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder. I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there. Ganked? he is in high sec safe space so this is not possible. But yes he needs not marauder but hyperion which is best missions ship
Quoted for lols.
Either "worst troll" contender, or "most misguided player" applicant.
Either way, this person's comments can be safely disregarded. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:42:56 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:Klymer wrote:Arjar Skord wrote:
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient.
This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder. I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there. Ganked? he is in high sec safe space so this is not possible. But yes he needs not marauder but hyperion which is best missions ship Quoted for lols. Either "worst troll" contender, or "most misguided player" applicant. Either way, this person's comments can be safely disregarded.
I guess you've never heard of level 4 mission runners getting ganked by people who bait by shooting the mission runners MTU. This has lead to many unsuspecting battleships destruction. |
SweetLips Shayiskhun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:01:57 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:The Bigpuns wrote:SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:Klymer wrote:Arjar Skord wrote:
I was planning on just clearing since I usually mission while watching tv shows/movies/streams so I get distracted way too often for blitzing to be efficient.
This is a recipe for getting ganked in Lanngisi , especially if your sitting there in a Marauder. I'd say start with a Dominix and drones and work up from there. Ganked? he is in high sec safe space so this is not possible. But yes he needs not marauder but hyperion which is best missions ship Quoted for lols. Either "worst troll" contender, or "most misguided player" applicant. Either way, this person's comments can be safely disregarded. I guess you've never heard of level 4 mission runners getting ganked by people who bait by shooting the mission runners MTU. This has lead to many unsuspecting battleships destruction.
This is online bullying and griefing and it is a violation.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:17:06 -
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SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:This is online bullying and griefing and it is a violation. That's a keeper.
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2016.05.25 04:53:41 -
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Sweetlips, I'm going to act as though you aren't a troll for now... You CAN be ganked in hisec, and Hyperion is NOT the best mission running ship. It is NOT bullying to point out how wrong you are so that new players don't fall foul of following your advice... |
SweetLips Shayiskhun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.25 05:21:30 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:Sweetlips, I'm going to act as though you aren't a troll for now... You CAN be ganked in hisec, and Hyperion is NOT the best mission running ship. It is NOT bullying to point out how wrong you are so that new players don't fall foul of following your advice...
To make gank on high sec player who only play to pve is bullying and grief to player. This is crime in many country so you make bully you pay crime.
[Hyperion, l4] Large Armor Repairer I Armor EM Hardener I Armor EM Hardener I Armor EM Hardener I Capacitor Power Relay I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Large Micro Jump Drive 100MN Afterburner I Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger I
425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre I x5 Hobgoblin I x5 Hobgoblin I x5 |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2016.05.25 07:46:14 -
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And that fit right there is why people can disregard your suggestions.
Bullying might be a crime, but in Eve, ganking and griefing is known as "content". Learn this, it will serve you well. A lot better than that poor hype at least... |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2016.05.25 14:41:44 -
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SweetLips Shayiskhun wrote:The Bigpuns wrote:Sweetlips, I'm going to act as though you aren't a troll for now... You CAN be ganked in hisec, and Hyperion is NOT the best mission running ship. It is NOT bullying to point out how wrong you are so that new players don't fall foul of following your advice... To make gank on high sec player who only play to pve is bullying and grief to player. This is crime in many country so you make bully you pay crime. [Hyperion, l4] Large Armor Repairer I Armor EM Hardener I Armor EM Hardener I Armor EM Hardener I Capacitor Power Relay I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Large Micro Jump Drive 100MN Afterburner I Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger I 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L 425mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge L Small Tractor Beam I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre I x5 Hobgoblin I x5 Hobgoblin I x5 Oh where to start so I will start here. Ganking is not considered bullying and ganking someone is not a banable offense CCP has made this clear in many places and over many years.
Ganking can and does happen and the more popular the mission hub is the more likely you are to be ganked and the SOE systems are the worst because the gankers know that virtually everyone will want to go there at some point in time. So OP if you are looking into missions in the SOE systems I would suggest at most a simple T2 fit ship and preferably a T1 or faction hull as well to minimize your chances.
Now to this crazy best mission Hyperion. Well let me start by saying that I have standard T2 fit Ravens that will work as well or better than this will. Then there are the Rattlesnake, Barghest, Machariel, Navy Raven and Nightmare fits and all of them would be as good or better than this fit. But in reality we end up at the kings of mission ships and those are the Marauder class. Of these a cruise fit Golem is most flexible while the Paladin and Vargur both excel when running against a limited set of NPC races due to some inherent advantages to turret based weapons systems.
Please do not get me wrong here, if you like your Hyperion fit and it works for you then fly on and have fun because this is game and fun iw what this is all about. However we cannot and will not let it pass without comment when you boldly state it is the "best" mission ship because we know that it is not the "best". |
SweetLips Shayiskhun
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.25 16:21:29 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:And that fit right there is why people can disregard your suggestions.
Bullying might be a crime, but in Eve, ganking and griefing is known as "content". Learn this, it will serve you well. A lot better than that poor hype at least...
This is so wrong. You make bully by shooting up non combat character for no reason and take their ships and hard earned items. Now they have very much stress and could have anxiety or panic attack even heart attack from this outrageous play. This is real consequence and must be punished.
Is same as make assault on people in store just to laugh them in face. Both are crime.
Why you play game to only hurt and stress other people this is bad. |
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