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Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.27 05:14:00 -
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NBSI is a system of control for enclosurist territorialists. To think people can "own" space is silly. Space holds infinite resources that anyone can enjoy. And NBSI is used by groups who can not use all the space they occupy since they can't be everywhere at once. People with initiative and a little ability can operate in space that others would claim as their own. It's their own fault if they were not there first. The people who complain are often freeloaders who hunt or mine all day and balk at someone in "their" system and whine to their friends when they get blown up instead of taking responsibility for themselves.
There are NRDS, "Not Red, Don't Shoot", alliances out there. However the alliance I am in, The Star Fraction, does not claim any systems. And I don't think they ever will by the nature of the alliance dogma. There are other NRDS claiming alliances, even those that hold sovereignty but I can't speak for them since I don't know how well other people enforce their policies . I can tell you I treat NRDS very seriously.
If you allow a more lenient policy like NRDS and let people dock in 0.0 stations trade can flow outside of empire without convoys or carrier runs. Trade hubs in empire and low sec could be less important. 0.0 market prices would drop for alliances that did so. No longer would you have to pay 50-100k for a shuttle or something else stupid. Or just having a market stocked for that matter. The argument that neutral bring no benefit is countered by the market they bring to the area which is huge. Plus it brings people to you that you would never have met or shot.
And there are variations of NRDS. I have heard of NRDS claiming alliances who don't beleive in freespace. Apparently they will not shoot you as long as you are not using their resources. But this is hersey and I wil not vouch for this. Unfortunately NRDS is a next step of evolution. The fact we are not there yet is clear and is why it has not taken hold yet. But I will continue to fight for it and remove the memetics that contain NBSI.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.27 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiron By the way, if you think that NRDS means less pew pew then you are very wrong. It just means that you will be up against faction fitted tech II ships rather than shuttles.
Despite the numbers of targets NBSI leads to weakness in some people.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.28 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus NBSI or NRDS.
The reasons behind NBSI are quite clear. Clear and simple rules of engagement help your pilots in determining wether the encountered pilot is a potential threat, scout or perhaps helping some cap ships cyno in. On a further note, quite a few alliances/corps practice NBSI in all of 0.0, not just the space they claim sovereignity over.
NRDS. Will propably help trade and will bring more residents to the given area. However, it is rather problematic due to it enabling neutral scouts mapping an area ready for an ivading force. Probing defences etc. And most directors/ceos with diplomatic experience usually know who to contact for standings to get friendly access to pretty much any given area. Thus, I belive the balance of the risk profit ratio hangs heavily in favour of the NBSI policies.
Your risk profit ratio does not include spies in alliances. This is a plain and simple fact of every alliance of size greater than one. Every major alliance fears the shadowy spy in their ranks and can do very little to nothing about them. They force them to treat their masses different, limit information among its own members and so one. This comes to the point of paranoia where operations like freighter convoys are announced the day of the operation and lack support because no one knew about it. NBSI didn't matter in the convoy attack because by the time they knew there was a "not blue" it was too late for the ambush as ships appeared in space en masse suddenly.
This is one case and there are many more. NRDS keeps you on your toes. If you see a neutral, you make a contingency plan on the spot. And yes you can have spies in NRDS alliances. But NBSI does not stop mapping out of areas or leaking of intelligence. It does not stop en masse ambushes. Probing defences can be seen in NRDS alliances when people spot large numbers of ships traveling. It's not like an NRDS alliance can't communicate to each other. It's not like they can't see 5-10 ships that are neutral suddenly warp into system by system all belonging to the same alliance or corp. They stick out just like in NBSI if you set your standings.
The balance of risk vs profit hangs heavily in favor of NRDS. New things are frightening to try for some.
It's not like it's never been done as people have said here. So the proof is there.
But memetics are burned into humanity, scaring people into thinking freespace and NRDS is bad.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.01 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Edited by: mamolian on 28/02/2007 22:08:35 After practicing NBSI and NRDS, Ideally I prefer the NDRS approach.. although trying to keep the more PVP styled players entertained, and focused on abiding by NDRS policy.. is often more trouble than its worth.. Let em shoot each other, and let the cloning vats sort it out.
PVP styled players?
Well NRDS can be as hostile as the corporation that sets the standings wants it to be. And then there are CONCORD sanctioned wars. The thing is with so many NBSI people shooting NRDS minorities, it gives NRDS practically the same opportunities as NBSI. The thing is with NRDS the people who deserve to get shot, get shot.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jereth Ravyn NRDS only really works when hostiles get reported accurately and standings are set quickly. On an alliance-wide scale, this is very difficult to manage, and as was stated before, NBSI is a much quicker and simpler form of threat identification.
Personally, I feel that ISS's former NRDS policy was the catalyst for the chain of events that have led us to the current state of affairs. Not to bore you all with ISS history or do any chest thumping, but I beleive all NRDS alliances can learn something from studying the ISS.
Sadly, NBSI will be the best policy until the political climate of EVE changes.
...so in summary: if you dont like pew pew pew, stay out of 0.0, and if that bothers you... go play WoW or something
I value the opinion of ISS people for their run at neutrality, but I think there has always been something amongst them that has caused problems. They always have seemed to have problems with their system as people have always claimed for quite a long time. Without being a part of them I really can't say what it could be or if it was speculation and purely outside forces blaming them incorrectly.
But I have run NRDS personally in 0.0 and empire for a couple months only after living in 0.0 NBSI for a long time. I have had no trouble with the policy. In those two months in the busy areas of empire I lost one ship due to a neutral and me falling asleep at the wheel in empire. That alliance was then set to red and have paid the price many times over for their hostility. It's a simple process. In empire most people are just going about their business getting one place to another. In 0.0 I assume anyone neutral could be hostile and place myself in a situation I can handle. Plenty of times I have been tanked along with my mates that we did not shoot them in 0.0 when we had the upper hand. They were suprised we didn't. It's simple. You are neutral or not red, I don't shoot.
NBSI and NRDS you CAN assume neutrals are hostile temporarly. NRDS just makes you not fire on them until they confirm they actually are. I've been suprised once by NRDS and lost a frigate while exploring.
Play WoW???
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.07.15 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ventro69 "few guns trying to bully the local taxi drivers for spare change." - My home base is 18 jumps from empire. If you're there, your'e either so lost that pod killing you, will be doing you a favour by putting you back in a station you know. Or, you are like I said before, my enemy's alt.
Who are you to tell someone where they can or can't go? They might be passing through to boost the local enconomy.
Paranoia leading to aggression is an old concept that only causes trouble. Paranoia leading to caution is common sense.
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