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Martis Gradivus
EVE University Ivy League
25
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Posted - 2016.05.31 20:59:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Rng is r.
In fact, its not. Its a programmed algorithm with results that are totally deterministic. It just appears random. But because it is a deterministic algorithm means that if CCP somehow made a programming error, we could be getting skewed results. Example: Once everyone thought the RNG was just randomly not spawning any Arkonor. It turned out CCP had mis-spelled "Arkonor" in the roid generation table. Wait to ruin my illusions vincent. **** it im making my own one up : Ok so, in a data center, somewhere in london ,within deep cavernous halls of server hardware and serpentine ethernet cables , There is a hampster , with a pair of die, whenever you pop someone, the hampster throws the die at the nearest ccp employee. What he roles determines partly much you get in a drop, who he hits determines the quality of the drop. CCP Dev : 100% modules + cargo , no plex CCP GM : 50% modules , no cargo , no plex CCP Qa : staff no cargo no modules , no plex, just a few assortement of bugs added to the next patch/expansion Ian the janitor : Plex.
I fixed that CCP QA line for ya..... |
aldhura
Bartledannians The Ascendancy Protocol
44
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Posted - 2016.05.31 21:12:16 -
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I have noticed a drop in melted nano ribbon drops from the sleepers in wh's, maybe that can be fixed too. Zorr in damsel also doesn't consistently drop the expensive implant, fix that too please.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
503
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Posted - 2016.05.31 21:47:01 -
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This reminds me of a thread from a while back where somebody was saying it appeared that their Geckos were getting any wrecking shots. (Wrecking shots are when the to-hit RNG generates a number below 0.01 and the shot then does 3x base damage.) There was a fair bit of back-and-forth discuss, and to satisfy myself I combed through my client logs and counted all Gecko shots and all Gecko wrecking shots - sure enough, 1% of all shots were wrecking shots.
Somebody who is concerned about this should comb through actual kill data and count dropped and not-dropped items stacks. (Ignoring ISK value, as that apparently does not factor in to the drop calculation.) How something "feels" with a small sample size is meaningless. One source of data is CCP Quant's Mar 1 through Apr 4 kill dump. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6428000#post6428000 That's old of course, so perhaps zkill could be a source - IIRC, squizz has some sort of interface that allows for downloading kill data. |
Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
125
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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:05:28 -
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Even the non-sentient RNG knows you're an *******. Enjoy your crappy drops! |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:14:42 -
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PayMyIskNOW wrote:
The drop percentage is less than 10% now, compared with 2 months ago, wich was, as i said, 50%, just as it was an year or 2 ago. I NEVER SAID the drop rate has changed, i'm here to try to understand, since i've noticed it MAY have changed based on my experience and some reports from others gankers. The basic math is done, now can you tell me why i would be trolling? And ofc i won't post with my main, why would i? It would be so amateur...
Once again, i'm not saying it has changed, i'm here to get others players opinions, not comments from haters.
@Topic
If you are not a ganker, a CCP member, or you don't understand sh1t about the topic, try to stay out of it please.
luckily you don't get to decide if I stay out of it or not. I am not hating, but you did for example not mention the 10% in your op (Which you btw. still have not mentioned the samplesize of the data that gave 10% and the samplesize of the data that gave 50%). I went through my own data from this week and it seems that around 50% of the items are dropping, but the percentage of the total value dropping is below 10% for around 100 kills in lowsec (gate camping etc.). But I would not conclude too much from that, as I found similar numbers in nov. 2015. So I assume that sometimes you are just unlucky.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2160
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Posted - 2016.05.31 23:23:05 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Rng is r.
In fact, its not. Its a programmed algorithm with results that are totally deterministic. It just appears random. But because it is a deterministic algorithm means that if CCP somehow made a programming error, we could be getting skewed results. Example: Once everyone thought the RNG was just randomly not spawning any Arkonor. It turned out CCP had mis-spelled "Arkonor" in the roid generation table. Wait to ruin my illusions vincent. **** it im making my own one up : Ok so, in a data center, somewhere in london ,within deep cavernous halls of server hardware and serpentine ethernet cables , There is a hampster , with a pair of die, whenever you pop someone, the hampster throws the die at the nearest ccp employee. What he roles determines partly much you get in a drop, who he hits determines the quality of the drop. CCP Dev : 100% modules + cargo , no plex CCP GM : 50% modules , no cargo , no plex CCP Qa : staff 50% cargo no modules , no plex Ian the janitor : Plex.
I like this idea.
I would however like to introduce a little peril.
Imagine the hamster is strapped onto a glass tumbler (butt down) and fed a steady stream of delicious but indigestible die shaped kibbles, laced with Rohypnol.
Each time a ship is destroyed, a loudspeaker emits a tremendous explosion causing the hamster to evacuate the aforementioned kibbles into the tumbler violently. Thanks to the Rohypnol, the explosion will never cease to be a surprise.
Mum says I'm overtired and should turn my light out.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
321
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Posted - 2016.06.01 00:02:23 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Rng is r.
In fact, its not. Its a programmed algorithm with results that are totally deterministic. It just appears random. But because it is a deterministic algorithm means that if CCP somehow made a programming error, we could be getting skewed results. Example: Once everyone thought the RNG was just randomly not spawning any Arkonor. It turned out CCP had mis-spelled "Arkonor" in the roid generation table.
While that makes a good degree of sense, I'd like to see that algorithm as the odds would have to change the further it got away from their target % variable. Now, it could be a coding issue, if so, they should be warned in the issues threads, not GD.
I don't really hunt through killmails much, I've looked at enough of them to know it's pretty darned random what drops, but I can't say for certain it's always with in X% of 50%.
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nezroy
Nice Clan
7
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:14:17 -
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Go to zkillboard. Filter for high sec ganks going back, say, one month. Count the number of stacks that dropped vs the number of stacks in cargo (ISK value not relevant to this at all, by the way). Return here if the numbers is far from 50% by some statistical significance.
(Hint: you won't be back)
You are the one making an exceptional claim, so you are the one who gets to go provide evidence for that claim. Lucky for you there is a large amount of data available to the public so you should have no problem doing this. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3662
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:16:39 -
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Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons. |
Sustrai Aditua
Irubo Kovu
252
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Posted - 2016.06.01 01:21:39 -
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This OP is so ridiculous I truly am finding it difficult to decide to laugh or cry. "Hey. I victimize somebody and expect a monetary return, but it's not there! My criminal activity isn't paying off! BALANCE THE GAME!!"
However...on a lighter note. Some people even think chance should be a surety - if only for THEM.
Akirei Scytale wrote:Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons. Right! What do you expect? Pad your killboard AND make ISK???
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Cranial Rectidus
ElevenBravo
25
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Posted - 2016.06.01 03:56:26 -
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Super Ormand wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Good, you deserve **** all, move to low/null and fight like men.
Unless that's where are, if so ignore the above. First, the goal of the gank here is to make some isk, not fight. Second, the gank is so legitimate as ratting, mining or trade.
The goal of the hi-sec gank sqaud is to avoid having to make any real money where people actually have a chance to fight back and ruin your mining-industrial-hauler gank fit ships. The old days of ganking you got your ship and loot and left the pod (unless he was afk). Now days it has become even more honorless than it was before because it isn't about getting the isk, it is about causing the other player to lose as much as possible.. So are you including your implant losses to your pod kills in your numbers? |
ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
383
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Posted - 2016.06.01 06:26:24 -
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Posting in a Quality Shiptoast thread.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2161
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Posted - 2016.06.01 06:46:20 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:Posting in a Quality Shiptoast thread.
Anyone challenging RNJesus to a duel is setting themselves up to fail. Shiptoasring is inevitable.
Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife. Truth be told, I've been pretty unlucky.
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2016.06.01 06:54:03 -
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I know the problem. All the rookie ships you're losing by ganking stations (drawing concord away from gates) drop everything (THE TRIT!!) are balancing your no drop freighters. So if you stop sacrificing rookie ships you might have more success getting better drops from freighter ganks.
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Khannu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.06.01 07:24:04 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons.
you obviously have never done ganks :P |
Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
201
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Posted - 2016.06.01 07:29:40 -
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PayMyIskNOW wrote:Hi there guys!!
I've been talking with some friends to try to understand what is going on with the drops when we kill someone in high sec...
[...]
So, CCP, did you guys changed the drop chance/the drop mechanics? Please, if you did, let us know!
The drops you aim to collect are called teardrops. If this number is reduced, while the number of ganks performed remains stable this might be an indication of the overall population growing or hardening up. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
483
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Posted - 2016.06.01 07:39:19 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:The drops you aim to collect are called teardrops. If this number is reduced, while the number of ganks performed remains stable this might be an indication of the overall population growing or hardening up. If only this were true (the last bit of your post). Alas, the first bit was also wrong (not totally, but not completely right either). |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11377
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Posted - 2016.06.01 08:12:11 -
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You still have a lot of fun ganking people, let it be your paycheck.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
483
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Posted - 2016.06.01 08:23:28 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:You still have a lot of fun ganking people, let it be your paycheck. Unfortunately, even 20,000 years in the future it's unlikely that being a breatharian will be good for long term survival.
ISK is a necessary evil and for those that like fun more than grind, ganking is a good option to gain said ISK by relieving it from people that just horde it.
Gankers are really Eve's equivalent of Robin Hood. Rob from the rich, to give to the poor (and charity starts in the home). |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1798
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Posted - 2016.06.01 08:41:10 -
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PayMyIskNOW wrote: The thing is: we noticed that the drops are very bad lately, almost everyone agrees that there must be something "wrong". Killmails of 2b, 3b, 5b or higher, and the drops are like 60m? 70m? 150m? What is going on? I could link you some exemples but i'm sure you guys got the idea...
i was dealing with this "50% drop chance" for all the years i was ganking FW n00bs. Some say it is RNG. But RNG produces some median result over the time if you give big enough set of encounters. In my case drop chance is about 25-30%.
So yeah... either it's CCP(c) RNG and you just bad lucker like me
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
151
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Posted - 2016.06.01 09:57:37 -
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Everything has a risk, you of all people should know this. You blow a ship up you spin the wheel of loot. Bad luck if it doesn't give you what you want.
I discourage running with scissors.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6169
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Posted - 2016.06.01 10:46:40 -
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Easily explained: Donuts for CONCORD. |
Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
66
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Posted - 2016.06.01 11:11:56 -
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PayMyIskNOW wrote:Hi there guys!! I've been talking with some friends to try to understand what is going on with the drops when we kill someone in high sec... I mean, especially when we gank someone. Not wardec or duel thing, i'm talking about real gank, when you become a criminal The thing is: we noticed that the drops are very bad lately, almost everyone agrees that there must be something "wrong". Killmails of 2b, 3b, 5b or higher, and the drops are like 60m? 70m? 150m? What is going on? I could link you some exemples but i'm sure you guys got the idea... So, CCP, did you guys changed the drop chance/the drop mechanics? Please, if you did, let us know! Thx in advance!
I thought somebody who is a 'true' ganker does it for the laughs and not the expected quality/quantity reward of the drop. You deserve everything you get.
I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.
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Iain Cariaba
3060
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Posted - 2016.06.02 01:41:48 -
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Super Ormand wrote:My last 10 ganks:
Dropped: 5,530,295.38 ISK Destroyed: 454,458,561.03 ISK
Dropped: 8,639,363.84 ISK Destroyed: 354,927,396.51 ISK
Dropped: 245,219,257.65 ISK Destroyed: 314,853,037.02 ISK
Dropped: 194,968,403.46 ISK Destroyed: 209,530,947.07 ISK
Dropped: 745,453.16 ISK Destroyed: 2,008,922,231.27 ISK
Dropped: 16,964,911.71 ISK Destroyed: 479,770,974.11 ISK
Dropped: 183,888,686.09 ISK Destroyed: 715,576,785.53 ISK
Dropped: 487,222,279.91 ISK Destroyed: 5,411,320.31 ISK
Dropped: 94,397,186.30 ISK Destroyed: 359,579,788.98 ISK
Dropped: 31,839,622.21 ISK Destroyed: 1,263,225,319.31 ISK
FYI: Value of the item is totally irrelevant when the loot fairy decides what drops or not. If you have one PLEX and one Carbon in your hold when your ship explodes, each has an equal chance of dropping.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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lollerwaffle
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
307
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Posted - 2016.06.02 02:16:03 -
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Lots of people who have never ganked before making up motivation for ganking in here LOLOLOL |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
932
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Posted - 2016.06.02 04:09:54 -
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My motivation for ganking is purely altruistic, I do this to help people.
I go for pods, even though there's no loot for me. I lose isk doing that actually, which just proves I'm doing this for good reasons. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3663
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Posted - 2016.06.02 07:15:08 -
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Khannu wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Honestly, if you're ganking for the ISK you're ganking for the wrong reasons. you obviously have never done ganks :P
But I have? |
Erin Oswell
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
43
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:36:51 -
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Checking zkillboard would be a good place to get some estimates on recent drops, and compare them with drops from a few months ago maybe but I don't think there's been any change as I've seen people miss on Plex drops and people gain plex drops and I've seen people get nothing but the worst item even though the rest was valuable loot. For now at least, I'm satisfied that loot drops are purely random and seem to even out in the end.
You just need to hang a horseshoe on your hull or gank a leprechaun at the end of his rainbow.
Rules of Acquisition #13: "Anything worth doing is worth doing for money"
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
976
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Posted - 2016.06.02 09:59:10 -
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Though this seems like a product of gambling psychology, this thread does reveal how willing people are to accept obviously skewed/unfair drop mechanics -just so long as it only affects those mean ol' gankers.
Anyone else starts a thread like this: "Hmm, that's interesting, we should look into this."
Ganker starts this thread: "Good! You're a bad person and don't deserve anything. I hope your children never learn to read!"
Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
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Aurelius Ignum
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
6
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Posted - 2016.06.02 10:19:23 -
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PayMyIskNOW wrote:
I know what i'm taking about....
Famous last words. Almost as famous as "Watch this" or "Hold my beer". But not nearly as entertaining as hearing a Lt. say "In my experience".
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