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Dolorous Tremmens
Lightspeed Enterprises Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2016.06.02 21:09:59 -
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I have shields that mostly block projectiles the size of cars flying at 10000km/h, and armor that does the same. I am a callousperson to the point that I'm the only one that survives my ship's destruction. Overwhelming Anti-personel weapons are negligible in size and fully automatable. My communications are Sophisticated to the point that I can have dozens unbackable communication, both voice and text working at once.
And that's just a lore perspective. Now apply n+1. How many people can hack at once. How many attempts per person. How would this be affected by tidi?
Keep pve minigames out of multiplayer pvp.
Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4462
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Posted - 2016.06.02 21:44:47 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Also the lockdown would prohibit you from using gates, (not wormholes) and would make your ship less responsive for maneuvering, -50% maximum speed and agility. Its for stealing stuff from other vessels and optionally disabling modules, That is piracy, that is a way of having fun. Risky business. And having a suspect flag is nowhere near avoiding fights. Of course a better pirate would choose a target good for pillage.
So now this module is the new bumping, and is the absolute best way to **** off a freighter pilot?
The more restrictions you have to pile onto an idea, the worse it was in the first place. Stop, now. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11398
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Posted - 2016.06.02 21:51:44 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Also the lockdown would prohibit you from using gates, (not wormholes) and would make your ship less responsive for maneuvering, -50% maximum speed and agility. Its for stealing stuff from other vessels and optionally disabling modules, That is piracy, that is a way of having fun. Risky business. And having a suspect flag is nowhere near avoiding fights. Of course a better pirate would choose a target good for pillage. So now this module is the new bumping, and is the absolute best way to **** off a freighter pilot? The more restrictions you have to pile onto an idea, the worse it was in the first place. Stop, now.
So now 10 minutes lockdown. Can be unnerving sometimes, but you could live with that from time to time. 10 minutes would mean your alt going suspect every 10 minutes. And everyone around you trying to do that boarding.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4462
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Posted - 2016.06.02 22:03:21 -
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Which means that for the low low price of one suspect t1 frigate, I can tackle any freighter for ten minutes without needing suicide points, bumpers, or anything resembling actual effort while the catalysts get set up, even if nobody does manage to board and steal the thing.
From their t1 frigate.
This idea is fundamentally unworkable. If you want someone's stuff, fight them and take it. Don't expect to avoid the risk and get even more of a reward, that isn't how eve works. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11399
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Posted - 2016.06.02 22:27:26 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Which means that for the low low price of one suspect t1 frigate, I can tackle any freighter for ten minutes without needing suicide points, bumpers, or anything resembling actual effort while the catalysts get set up, even if nobody does manage to board and steal the thing.
From their t1 frigate.
This idea is fundamentally unworkable. If you want someone's stuff, fight them and take it. Don't expect to avoid the risk and get even more of a reward, that isn't how eve works.
No side effects like this prohibiting of gate jumping. Well you wanted less timers and side effects, so I just reduced the Lockdown timer. And I am thinking about even 5 minutes, to ruin plans of using alts for making it invulnerable all the time. Especially in High sec where it would matter most. Try flying with the suspect flag all the time in tech I frigate. You can be attacked and podded by everyone.
Dont say its unworkable. Try work on it until you will have something good, that is my motto. No one said it would be easy to have a working thing in a game where everyone is obviously using alts but not me. :P
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Dolorous Tremmens
Lightspeed Enterprises Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2016.06.03 01:59:38 -
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What is happening in this thread is a thing known to science as "saving the phenomenon."
A suspect flag means absolutely nothing in lowsec and nullsec, or for a large group, highsec. Highsec matters mostly as a faucet for low grade minerals to null entities losing big ships, and a market for deadspace/faction mods for ratters/other PVE content providers.
Capital ships routinely carry refits of deadspace+ value mods, Have billions invested in them and require years/billions of isk to train into, and they can dock and reship into small stuff. Supers and titans, well they can unsub, or hang around in pos as museum pieces. Because of boarding parties more people will be bored.... BUT
It has been shown that at least one alliance is willing to put big shiny toys away and shoot/farm things with cheap ships sporting cheap guns while ignoring sec status, because they can, they have numbers and it irritates other people. They're known for cruising highsec every so often, ignoring their own losses and filling cargo holds with tears and corpses while spouting witty banter about multiple Blapping and Tooting / your mom / what they had for lunch / never undocking in local. They'll bring boarding parties.
Now imagine what would happen if all the groups currently still fighting in the war do the same thing. Dock the shinys and vacation in highsec, because if any of the large groups involved undocks anything large, anywhere, it will be stripped by boarding parties like a cow in a hungry piranha tank, even by "blues".
Because they can, it pads the kb with isk, they have numbers and it irritates their "blue" friends. So they'll cruise highsec, some will be in elite T2 frigs, others in noob/T1 ships and copypasta/dank memes that will make jita local chat look slow and tame. They'll bring boarding parties to highsec too.
Right now some people are willing and happy to let other take their blingy stuff, but only if you take that stuff from their cold, dead wreck while giving gf's in local. Lets keep it that way, because no one deserves that stale copypasta.
Get some Eve. Make it yours.
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
1151
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Posted - 2016.06.03 04:25:37 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Which means that for the low low price of one suspect t1 frigate, I can tackle any freighter for ten minutes without needing suicide points, bumpers, or anything resembling actual effort while the catalysts get set up, even if nobody does manage to board and steal the thing.
From their t1 frigate.
This idea is fundamentally unworkable. If you want someone's stuff, fight them and take it. Don't expect to avoid the risk and get even more of a reward, that isn't how eve works. No side effects like this prohibiting of gate jumping. Well you wanted less timers and side effects, so I just reduced the Lockdown timer. And I am thinking about even 5 minutes, to ruin plans of using alts for making it invulnerable all the time. Especially in High sec where it would matter most. Try flying with the suspect flag all the time in tech I frigate. You can be attacked and podded by everyone. Dont say its unworkable. Try work on it until you will have something good, that is my motto. No one said it would be easy to have a working thing in a game where everyone is obviously using alts but not me. :P
I am with you on discussing an idea instead of shooting it down.
However, the basis for your proposal is simply not a good idea in EVE.
In point of fact there are some who would use alts to make ships immune to this attack, no matter how small the timer. You can't balance stuff with Quality of Life considerations, there's always some idiot with more tolerance than you.
Further, all this would do for freighter ganking is give the gankers a slightly better payout. They would board, take what they can, *then* gank the freighter to take half of what remains. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11401
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Posted - 2016.06.03 06:17:03 -
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So do you think only PvE left for that gameplay?
But that would not work because of NPC ships being too soft to kill and easy prey for everyone already. From these two things, only PvP give some promise of fun, or a game changing experience.
Because, Why the hell every freighter must be laden with deadspace modules. That is a huge risk. Why not use cloaked ship for transforting this all valuable stuff?
Let those freighters transport ore or ice or isotopes. With 100m2 max transportable loot, why bother with it?
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
863
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Posted - 2016.06.03 12:24:58 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:"Over my dead body" argument. Why are you so inclined to use it? Do you really like dying so much? That's the deal in this game no one really dies so it simply does not matter. Besides you take the statement you will have to kill us to get our stuff to literally, when we say kill us we mean our ships not our pods. Bu what the hell following the best advice in the game and do not fly it if you cannot afford to replace it applies to implant as well.
Moving on ships are disposable items and made from pixels, if I loose one I will simply go get another from a hanger somewhere else in EvE or buy / make another. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11415
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Posted - 2016.06.03 12:50:31 -
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Cargo is also pixels. You can get another. Why are you so attached to it? Materialist.
Dont take so seriously what I am writing sometimes.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
249
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Posted - 2016.06.05 04:04:42 -
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Involve Project Nova in this concept and you'll have all of us Dust 514 veterans behind you.
Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!
Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
12042
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Posted - 2016.06.05 10:14:18 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Involve Project Nova in this concept and you'll have all of us Dust 514 veterans behind you. From what I have seen, Nova will have already fights on ships. I dont know how would that even tie to the other game, because the matches would have to start immediately, and without lag, the fight would always be longar then a minute.
I think only with structures this would be somehow feasible, and the shields and armor would have to be gone from the structure. The outcome of the fight would decide if the structure would be destroyed or would come into attackers hands. Using it against war targets would not cause any flags then.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
47
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Posted - 2016.06.28 08:42:14 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Involve Project Nova in this concept and you'll have all of us Dust 514 veterans behind you. From what I have seen, Nova will have already fights on ships. I dont know how would that even tie to the other game, because the matches would have to start immediately, and without lag, the fight would always be longer then a minute. I think only with structures this would be somehow feasible, and the shields and armor would have to be gone from the structure. The outcome of the fight would decide if the structure would be destroyed or would come into attackers hands. Using it against war targets would not cause any flags then. The module would initiate a public match on the nova server and would not be causing any minigame in EVE and crewmembers as charges would not be needed. It would suffice to only one time activate the module on structure then. I like that even though it may also be used on larger ships as well and you should be able to choose what side to join but not after leaving the match |
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