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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.06.09 10:07:37 -
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Our citadel, deep in wormhole space, has a little button under the station services called "agents", which got me thinking...
CCP should add a new citadel module that brings agents to a citadel in wormhole space. These agents should give two types of missions:
Local missions: A pve mission that is in the same system the citadel is in
Expedition missions: A mission that is in your static. I assume the game knows what wormhole is your static.
These missions could come in the form of regular and burner missions, and at all levels (1 to 5) . To stop people blitzing these mission with friends, the agent should recommend a 'force limit'. If you bring more ships than the recommended limit, drifters, that don't drop loot, could show up and destroy you.
Thoughts?
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Raphendyr Nardieu
Unpublished Chapter Suddenly Content
78
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Posted - 2016.06.09 11:02:13 -
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Acceptable wormhole area implementation for the agent service (should be coming some day). So instead of new wormhole specific service, it would be implemented part of the same service as for k-space. |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
669
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Posted - 2016.06.09 11:16:57 -
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While this would give wormholers something that is sorely needed... SOMETHING TO DO, i doubt this is the right thing...
I mean the problem for me at least always was that i could build a ship that can solo anything short of capital escalations but if i did that my corp wouldn't have anything to do when they logged in... I mean just taking all the sites in our hole didnt strike me as "acceptable behavior"... |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2779
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Posted - 2016.06.09 11:37:19 -
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... thats why you don't farm your own hole
WH do not need missions and there would be no way to have missions in your static as your static changes systems... a static is not always a conection to the same system a static is just the same WH
Citadel worm hole tax
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.09 11:49:42 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:... thats why you don't farm your own hole
WH do not need missions and there would be no way to have missions in your static as your static changes systems... a static is not always a conection to the same system a static is just the same WH
Sounds like you misread what i said mate, please try again... I know what a static is and if the assumption i made in the original post was correct, it would be possible to have missions in your static.
Whether something is needed is subjective. However, I think this would be nice to have in wormhole space because it creates solo activities and more people would become active in space.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
670
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Posted - 2016.06.09 12:04:59 -
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Lugh that is a cool idea but the last wormhole i lived in long term was a c5-c5-ns and before that a c4-c2, and c2 sites just arent worth doing and i dont have enough alts to viable secure a static of that size...
Which meant i was more or less limited to "pos spinning", "not logging on" or "being bored out of my skull" |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
865
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Posted - 2016.06.09 13:47:35 -
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-1 because you do not get what amounts to your own private mission agent simply because you live in a worm hole.
-1 because choices and consequences. You choose to live in a WH and one of the consequences for doing that is an extremely limited range of activities possible. If you do not like the limited number of activities then move out of your little hobbit hole into the wider world of the EvE universe.
-1 because hypocrisy. People like you are always quick to dish out the choices and consequences aspect of the game on everyone else, and you are equally quick to shout down their calls for more activities in their chosen corner of the sandbox, yet here you are asking for more activities in your little corner of the sandbox because boring and nothing to do.
-1 because EvE is a big place with lots of ships in space all you have to do is get out of your little hobbit hole and go find them. On the other hand if you want to hide in your little hobbit hole then all the ships you get to shoot at are the randoms that venture in. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2912
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Posted - 2016.06.09 16:19:29 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:Lugh that is a cool idea but the last wormhole i lived in long term was a c5-c5-ns and before that a c4-c2, and c2 sites just arent worth doing and i dont have enough alts to viable secure a static of that size...
Which meant i was more or less limited to "pos spinning", "not logging on" or "being bored out of my skull"
If your option are "being bored", maybe you should live elsewhere... |
Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.09 16:39:12 -
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@ Donnachadh, that I quite a big attitude problem you have there kid...
For what it's worth I will argue against an idea that I think is bad for the game. I don't see how me wanting to provide solo/small-gang activities in wormhole space is a bad thing and I don't see how your philosophy of "if your space is boring, move to different space" is good for the game.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
671
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Posted - 2016.06.09 17:12:12 -
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which is effectively what i did in that C4/c2, i still have jumpclones and travel fit interceptors in every tradehub in eve, i lived in highsec running incursions with warp to me at the time and whenever there was something to do i jumpcloned over and bombed out to the hole in a few minutes while the fleet was being prepped and staged...
That said being bored is not my ideal game design, and with what happened when they changed rolling mechanics so you cant roll for content as effectively its not suprising there apperar to be less people living in holes then there once were... |
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2579
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Posted - 2016.06.09 19:10:45 -
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I'm sorry, your request for even more instanced PVE opportunities has been rejected.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.09 19:46:22 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:I'm sorry, your request for even more instanced PVE opportunities has been rejected.
I don't think you know what instanced PVE means
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
387
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Posted - 2016.06.10 03:02:23 -
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Ignoring w-space for a moment.
CCP could resurect the old Teams system for agents. Agents (some of them) get get posted out to citadels and other NPC stations based on cumulative ISK bid on said agent.
This could be a stupid ISK-sink, however... |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2124
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Posted - 2016.06.10 03:20:41 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:While this would give wormholers something that is sorely needed... SOMETHING TO DO, i doubt this is the right thing...
I mean the problem for me at least always was that i could build a ship that can solo anything short of capital escalations but if i did that my corp wouldn't have anything to do when they logged in... I mean just taking all the sites in our hole didnt strike me as "acceptable behavior"...
SOMETHING TO DO - go tackle and exterminate the dudes in your static or their static or somewhere in you chain that are farming their home sites. (this is always available, but requires scan probes and effort) |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2124
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Posted - 2016.06.10 03:27:28 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Our citadel, deep in wormhole space, has a little button under the station services called "agents", which got me thinking...
CCP should add a new citadel module that brings agents to a citadel in wormhole space. These agents should give two types of missions:
Local missions: A pve mission that is in the same system the citadel is in
Expedition missions: A mission that is in your static. I assume the game knows what wormhole is your static.
These missions could come in the form of regular and burner missions, and at all levels (1 to 5) . To stop people blitzing these mission with friends, the agent should recommend a 'force limit'. If you bring more ships than the recommended limit, drifters, that don't drop loot, could show up and destroy you.
Thoughts?
Your space meds got tweaked out of whack about a year ago in a bad way. Go see a doctor and get things adjusted.
With probes and a little effort there are an infinite number of things to do within even a few jumps of your wh. Leaving k-space is a choice. With that choice there are consequences. One of those consequences is NO KSPACE AGENTS. If you want kspace agents, you don't even have to scan a route, you can just SD your pod and (SHAZAM) you have them all around you. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2583
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Posted - 2016.06.10 05:32:11 -
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Rek Seven wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:I'm sorry, your request for even more instanced PVE opportunities has been rejected. I don't think you know what instanced PVE means
If I move into a WH, collapse all my connections, and only run missions (which take place in deadspace pockets) then I might as well be doing instanced PVE. Someone has to find a connection to your WH, find a connection to it you have not collapsed, get through the connection without you noticing, drop probes, and scan down your mission ship. Yeah, it might as well be instanced.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
927
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Posted - 2016.06.10 06:29:01 -
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I don-Št like the idea of agents in wh-space. If you want to run missions, leave your wormhole. Imho. |
Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.10 11:11:01 -
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I feel too many people throw out insults and personal attacks on these forums, which is probably why CCP devs prefer to use other places to communicate with the player base.
This is an ideas forum. Why do people find it so hard to be constructive? if you don't like something, fine, give your reasons but done be an idiot just because you have nothing better to do with your life.
FT Diomedes wrote:Rek Seven wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:I'm sorry, your request for even more instanced PVE opportunities has been rejected. I don't think you know what instanced PVE means If I move into a WH, collapse all my connections, and only run missions (which take place in deadspace pockets) then I might as well be doing instanced PVE. Someone has to find a connection to your WH, find a connection to it you have not collapsed, get through the connection without you noticing, drop probes, and scan down your mission ship. Yeah, it might as well be instanced.
But the fact is it is not, so you were wrong originally, which is all i was pointing out. I am not asking for any thing fundamentally new. If your issue is that you can collapse wormholes then that is a topic you should raise in another thread. What i'm proposing encourages people to leave their connections open.
You are making assumptions that these missions will be behind warp gates and you are ignoring that i also said there should be missions in your static. Why are you doing that?
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1166
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Posted - 2016.06.10 11:58:40 -
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nope
missions are for k-space. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
867
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:21:25 -
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Rek Seven wrote:@ Donnachadh, that I quite a big attitude problem you have there kid... Now there you go making the idiotic assumption (with all the negative connotations of that word fully in force) that I am younger than you and therefore for "kid". Considering the way you choose to use it here I find it particularly offensive which leads me to this post.
Rek Seven wrote:I feel too many people throw out insults and personal attacks on these forums, Ah now we have a major case of the pot calling the kettle black. You use the word "kid" when referring to me and in a way that is condescending and to be honest with you I find particularly offensive considering my 60 plus years on this earth and then you have the stones to complain about personally attacks?
But in reality age has nothing to do with this, it is your entitled attitude that is on full display with the OP request that is at issue here. When high sec players or "carebears" as they are called in this game ask for more to do in their area of space because they are bored everyone including you tell them to pack up their kit bags and move on to some other area of space to seek out the fun that is missing. And yet like so many of those others here you are asking for CCP to give you more to do in your area of space because you are bored. The dictionary defines that as being a hypocrite and it is bad no matter what game or what circumstances you are in. If you are bored move to another area of space, if you want to live in a WH then one of the consequences for that choice is a lack of things to do.
Rek Seven wrote:This is an ideas forum. Why do people find it so hard to be constructive? if you don't like something, fine, give your reasons but don't be an idiot just because you have nothing better to do with your life. I responded to your OP with my thoughts and there was not one single personal attack in any of it and then I get your crap about how I need to calm down and then your condescending comment about being a kid, and you post this. I have alot more to say to you but the nanny filter would just remove it so why bother, instead I will leave it to your imagination.
Returning to the original idea I will repeat myself. No you cannot have agents in your citadel, or in any citadel anywhere in EvE. If your WH does not provide you with enough entertaining things to do then move out and go find somewhere else that does offer you more things to do. Leave your character in the WH and use an alt somewhere else in the game for those times when your WH is boring you to sleep.
I do have a somewhat positive thought although I doubt you will like it. There are agents in places where their NPC corp needs them and those agents are always in stations owned by the NPC. So the obvious answer to agents in worm holes is for CCP to place one of more NPC stations in the worm holes then there would be a logical and valid reason for the agents to be there. You would have your agents to eliminate boredom and it would open up a very wide range of possibilities for player interactions. |
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2584
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:02:57 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I feel too many people throw out insults and personal attacks on these forums, which is probably why CCP devs prefer to use other places to communicate with the player base. This is an ideas forum. Why do people find it so hard to be constructive? if you don't like something, fine, give your reasons but don't be an idiot just because you have nothing better to do with your life. FT Diomedes wrote:Rek Seven wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:I'm sorry, your request for even more instanced PVE opportunities has been rejected. I don't think you know what instanced PVE means If I move into a WH, collapse all my connections, and only run missions (which take place in deadspace pockets) then I might as well be doing instanced PVE. Someone has to find a connection to your WH, find a connection to it you have not collapsed, get through the connection without you noticing, drop probes, and scan down your mission ship. Yeah, it might as well be instanced. But the fact is it is not, so you were wrong originally, which is all i was pointing out. I am not asking for any thing fundamentally new. If your issue is that you can collapse wormholes then that is a topic you should raise in another thread. What i'm proposing encourages people to leave their connections open. You are making assumptions that these missions will be behind warp gates and you are ignoring that i also said there should be missions in your static. Why are you doing that?
You asked for missions that were local and missions that were in your static.
Rek Seven wrote: CCP should add a new citadel module that brings agents to a citadel in wormhole space. These agents should give two types of missions:
Local missions: A pve mission that is in the same system the citadel is in
Expedition missions: A mission that is in your static. I assume the game knows what wormhole is your static.
You are asking for agents to work at your personal Citadel in a part of space which is designed to have limited local content and interaction and you think you are not asking for anything new? The fact that you can have an agent who only gives missions to the people who can dock at the Citadel is itself a radical idea. You are adding a personal ISK faucet to the Citadel just for putting it up. And that is true even if your Citadel agent spawns missions that appear as anomalies rather than deadspace pockets (which is another new idea).
Even if you leave your static open, you can still close all the other connections in your static before you begin farming (people already do this regularly in WH space).
And even if you are not one of those who collapses all holes as quickly as possible so you can keep living in your little bubble, there are tons of people who will do that. Your idea has to be proof against that mechanic.
I'm not opposed to someone being able to collapse all the inbound connections to their WH to run some PVE, when the PVE options inside the hole are limited. I am opposed to them being able to do it while retaining the ability to keep running PVE for as long as they want.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.10 15:06:55 -
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Instead of having a reasonable discussions, i find that all people want to do is argue...
Donnachadh wrote: But in reality age has nothing to do with this, it is your entitled attitude that is on full display with the OP request that is at issue here. When high sec players or "carebears" as they are called in this game ask for more to do in their area of space because they are bored everyone including you tell them to pack up their kit bags and move on to some other area of space to seek out the fun that is missing. And yet like so many of those others here you are asking for CCP to give you more to do in your area of space because you are bored. The dictionary defines that as being a hypocrite and it is bad no matter what game or what circumstances you are in. If you are bored move to another area of space, if you want to live in a WH then one of the consequences for that choice is a lack of things to do.
You fail to see the bigger picture. When someone asks for something more to do in high sec (i.e safe space) that can already be done in more dangerous parts of space, it would provide less incentive for people to live/operate in dangerous space.
I an asking for something that would encourage activity in dangerous space, where people being killed is part of the game. This has greater benefit to a wider area of the game that just moving all content to HS.
Donnachadh wrote: I responded to your OP with my thoughts and there was not one single personal attack in any of it and then I get your crap about how I need to calm down and then your condescending comment about being a kid, and you post this. I have alot more to say to you but the nanny filter would just remove it so why bother, instead I will leave it to your imagination.
I assume you are a kid because of the immature and angry way you approach a discussion. When you say things like "people like you" and bring up my previous stance on subjects that have nothing to do with this topic, it is a personal attack... Don't think that was called for and you can't expect people to respond nicely to you with an attitude like that.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.10 15:17:43 -
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FT Diomedes wrote: You are asking for agents to work at your personal Citadel in a part of space which is designed to have limited local content and interaction and you think you are not asking for anything new? The fact that you can have an agent who only gives missions to the people who can dock at the Citadel is itself a radical idea. You are adding a personal ISK faucet to the Citadel just for putting it up. And that is true even if your Citadel agent spawns missions that appear as anomalies rather than deadspace pockets (which is another new idea).
Even if you leave your static open, you can still close all the other connections in your static before you begin farming (people already do this regularly in WH space).
And even if you are not one of those who collapses all holes as quickly as possible so you can keep living in your little bubble, there are tons of people who will do that. Your idea has to be proof against that mechanic.
I'm not opposed to someone being able to collapse all the inbound connections to their WH to run some PVE, when the PVE options inside the hole are limited. I am opposed to them being able to do it while retaining the ability to keep running PVE for as long as they want.
If issue is that outsiders can't access these new missions, then the agents could be made to be remotely accessible... simple!
You can't stop new wormholes opening up, so you can't close yourself off.
I never once mentioned isk, but i wasn't thinking massive accounts of isk for these missions, just enough to make it worth while... because imo, the more people out doing stuff in space, the better.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2131
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Posted - 2016.06.11 05:43:47 -
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Is this a tax revenue grab?
Why does it matter which station a mission agent lives in? |
Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2240
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Posted - 2016.06.12 09:24:01 -
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No tax has nothing to do with this topic. The goal is to increase activity in wormhole space, as stated in the OP.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
870
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Posted - 2016.06.12 16:56:14 -
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Rek Seven wrote:You fail to see the bigger picture. When someone asks for something more to do in high sec (i.e safe space) that can already be done in more dangerous parts of space, it would provide less incentive for people to live/operate in dangerous space. I do see the "bigger" picture. They want more to do in their area of space so they do not have to go somewhere else to do it. You want more to do in your area of space so you do not have to go somewhere else to do it. There is no difference between the two and the relative levels of threat one faces is not important.
Another thing you are missing or you choose to ignore is the basics of human nature. We are all willing to accept a certain amount of risk in search of fun whether it is in a computer game or real life. For me the single most enjoyable thing I do is get into a 200 MPH race car and then spend the next two to three hours testing the limits of that car and my own abilities. There are others I know that will not even get into the car to drive it around the track at any speed because it is a risk they are not willing to take, or because they simply find no enjoyment in doing it. EvE is exactly the same, there are players who are willing to accept the risks and find fun and excitement in going into the unknown, or in testing the abilities of themselves and their ships in combat and there are those who do not. If a player is not willing to accept the risks associated with an activity there is nothing you can do to entice them or to force them to take those risks. How this applies to EvE is there are players that gladly go forth to low, nu or worm holes to see that they can find and there are players that will NEVER leave high sec.
Setting everything else aside and getting back to your request for NPC agents in citadels in worm holes, let us look at this from a realistic angle. 1. they have to waste time scanning for a worm hole. 2. when they find a worm hole they have to take the risks of jumping into an area that contains an unknown level of threat, is the entrance bubbled, is it camped, are the residents online and active and the list goes on. 3. once they get into the worm hole they have to scan to see if there is a citadel wasting even more time. 4. if there is a citadel they have to warp to it to see if there is an agent all the while knowing that they could be warping into a trap,or being caught in a trap when they un-dock. 5. even if there is an agent and they accept the mission they still have to run the mission in an area that is unknown to them and contains and unknown level of threat.
All this compels one to ask the question, just how many players do you think will waste all this time and take all the unknown risks to run a mission? Especially considering that instead of wasting time looking for a worm hole with a citadel that contains an agent they could be running missions in an area that is known to them, an area that they are comfortable being in.
In the end and based on the limited number of players that run missions in low sec because of the risk it is my assessment that you are looking for an NPC agent that for all practical purposes is dedicated to you and your corp mates only and that is a really bad thing. If for no other reason than it allows you to hide in your worm hole instead of venturing out into the wider EvE universe where you are a target for more players. And by forcing you into the wider EvE universe to run missions you are actually increasing the opportunity for player driven content far more than would ever happen by adding agents to citadels in worm holes.
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2241
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Posted - 2016.06.13 06:55:18 -
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I don't agree with your logic... And I really don't see how encouraging people to go to high sec generates more pvp.
Have you ever lived in wormhole space, specifically C5 / C6?
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
870
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Posted - 2016.06.13 14:37:26 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I don't agree with your logic and I really don't see how encouraging people to go to high sec generates more pvp... Either way this has nothing to do with HS. As i said several times, the goal is to create more small gang / solo stuff in wormholes. Of course you do not agree with logic, since logic dictates that this will not have the affect on the game that you believe that it will. So let us try a different approach here. 1. if you have an agent in your citadel then EVERYONE that lives in a worm hole will have an agent in their citadel. If they have an agent in their own citadel why in hell would they ever come to your worm hole to run missions? 2. those who live in low sec are highly unlikely to run missions in your worm hole given the advantages you would hold. Besides why bother when they can run level 5's in their own area of low sec or simply have an agent in their citadel. 3. nul sec players are not likely to come to your worm hole when they can easily run anoms in their space, and oh wait they can simply have an agent in their citadel as well giving them even less reason to go to your worm hole.
This is not about high sec so we can eliminate them as players who may venture to your worm hole to run missions. There are no advantages to running missions in your worm hole for those who live in other worm holes or low sec or nul sec we can eliminate all of them as a source of players who may mission in your worm hole. So let me see who is left, other worm hole residents (check), got low sec residents(check), got nul sec residents(check) and we got high sec residents(check) so that leaves ............. Damn other than those who live in the worm hole with you it seems we have eliminated everyone else in the game. So tell me again about how much PvP content this idea is going to create? And tell me again how and why this is not just a selfish I want because bored idea?
Rek Seven wrote:Have you ever lived in wormhole space, specifically C5 / C6? C5 and below yes, C6 no. And the reason I no longer live in a worm hole is I got bored to the point of never logging in so I took my own advice and moved that character to a very active low sec group. By the way it has been a lot of fun with a lot of shooting other players and I suggest you give it a try it will be more fun than that agent in your citadel will ever be.
Rek Seven wrote:If you had, then you would know that there are only a handful of activities you can do solo. I'm not saying wormholes should be designed around solo players but i do think there needs to be more option for player who play in quiet time zones. Without this, people tend to look externally for things to do. This is not good for wormhole space, which is my main concern. See above about having been there and done that. Sheltered up in your worm hole how do you know that your time zone has any less players active than any other time zone? If players from your time zone are not into the whole worm hole thing then that is just one more of the long list of choices and consequences that we all make. So I suggest if your time zone is not big on the whole worm hole thing that is a very good reason to leave it behind and go find another place to live.
As it stands your request is nothing more than an I want this because I am bored and I do not want to move out of my worm hole kind of thing. Like those carebears that have to make a decision to leave the relative safety of high sec for bigger and better things so must you. You can be in your little hole in the wall of EvE and have no solo content, or you can choose to move on to something else somewhere else the decision is your to make. But you cannot have your little hole in that wall AND more solo content. |
Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
2241
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Posted - 2016.06.13 17:52:39 -
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Donnachadh wrote: Of course you do not agree with logic, since logic dictates that this will not have the affect on the game that you believe that it will. So let us try a different approach here. 1. if you have an agent in your citadel then EVERYONE that lives in a worm hole will have an agent in their citadel. If they have an agent in their own citadel why in hell would they ever come to your worm hole to run missions? 2. those who live in low sec are highly unlikely to run missions in your worm hole given the advantages you would hold. Besides why bother when they can run level 5's in their own area of low sec or simply have an agent in their citadel. 3. nul sec players are not likely to come to your worm hole when they can easily run anoms in their space, and oh wait they can simply have an agent in their citadel as well giving them even less reason to go to your worm hole.
No, i don't agree with you arguments because your logic is flawed you don'e appear to have read what i said, let alone what i want to achieve...
1. I clearly said that there would be static missions only obtainable through a static. These would obviously be higher value than the local missions, other wise it would be pointless... There could be some disadvantages to installing the station service that brings the agents, other than the obvious one of it taking up a slot.
2. People often venture into wormhole space to do PVP, there is even a name for it (day tripping) and corporations who specialise in it.
3. As i have stated several times now put it doesn't appear to be sinking in, this is mainly intended for wormholers who don't have much to do during down times. Rather than them going to run level 4 or HS incursions, it would be better for wormhole space if they stayed in wormhole space. Fact.
Show me where i discussed advantages of running missions in wormhole space! You are making assumptions that support your view. When the blood raider and similar events were introduced, wormhole space saw a massive increase in activity because the loot was valuable and the sites could be run in small ships. People came from all areas of space to run these missions, so again, your theory has already peen proven wrong.
...It is reasonable to assume that, given sufficient incentive, these missions could generate similar levels of activity. If more people are out running these missions, more explosions will happen. Fact! Unlike k-space, where you can hide behind local, this will happen more often than not.
Donnachadh wrote: C5 and below yes, C6 no.
And the reason I no longer live in a worm hole is I got bored to the point of never logging in so I took my own advice and moved...
Kind of proved my point.
Donnachadh wrote: So I suggest if your time zone is not big on the whole worm hole thing that is a very good reason to leave it behind and go find another place to live.
So basically you are saying "if you are not 100% happy with wormholes, move out!" This kind of nonsensical logic does nothing to improve EVE. One the whole i am happy with wormhole space, put having been a resident for quite a few years now, i recognise the issues, and i'm merely here to suggest something that could resolve those issues.
Wormhole space is arguable the most dangerous area in EVE but it is also the least populated. Without some changes, people who can't hake it leave eventually, just like you did.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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I think everyone but you is against agents in wh space and you're getting mad about it.
To me the point of wh living is to get away from all the other stuff. Agents are part of the other stuff I went into wh to get away from. What kind of missions? Gurista? All regions of space have their local pirates. In wh space it's sleepers and now drifters. If I logged into the game and discovered "Sleepers Extavaganza" was a thing - I'd probably unsub.
The problem w/ wh activity has nothing to do with pve. It will never have anything to do with pve. Folks come to wh space for 1 of 2 reasons - small gang pvp (med to large gang in a few cases) and farming for isk. The escalation farmers just got a kick in the goji berries (I say good) and that has reduced wh farming. Adding mission pve would just give farmers a reason to come back (I say not good).
Farmers:
Null: secure dead end chain/system, drop 40 bubbles to lock your Farmville down - farm. WH: roll out all connections to lock down your Farmville - farm
These pve groups do everything possible to lock down safe farming. I don't blame them, it's smart play on their part. It is what they do. Putting mission agents in WH space is just another reason for another group to move in and lock their stuff down and farm. When the farming is done for the day - they log. Content is not added. I get your semantics argument that it isn't instanced pve, but you also have to agree that rolling into a locked down system and scanning down a mission provides a high enough level of safety that it is pretty much just as safe as instanced pve (which was his point).
You're just trying to add another reason for folks to lock down wh to farm isk. NOT THE POINT OF WH SPACE.
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