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Robert Sawyer
Full Spectrum Inc I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.06.12 09:52:23 -
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Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?
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Kiddoomer
Deep Space Exploitation Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades
121
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Posted - 2016.06.12 10:10:40 -
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Well, the problem is not the ship actually, the Rattlesnake is a king of ratting with machariel or a carrier.
A assumption of 150M per hour is the problem here, I'm not even sure incursion in lowsec can give that much with decent ships. And not, mining in T1 ship doesn't give like 30M per hour, even with boosts.
30M is already a good number for ratting solo in nullsec without carrier.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
25
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Posted - 2016.06.12 10:30:23 -
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well it depends on many factors, as all in eve. for example:
- i do 20 mil/h in a covertor in high sec with orca boost - i know people that doing high sec incursion "with a good fleet" make 150/200 mil/hour even more sometime - lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour
so i'm sure that mining in null, same ships would give you >30mil/hour.
that said, i dunno ratting in null yet... but probably your friend involved the mtu harvest in his output? |
Hawke Frost
183
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Posted - 2016.06.12 10:44:27 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?
150 mil is quite optimistic to say the least but you should be able to do better than 30m.
Might be a fitting issue,a lot of ppl focus too much on too much tank OR pure paper dps, damage application is what it's all about and when you're mentioning T2 cruise then all I'm thinking is "that's going to suck vs small/fast angel targets". So if you paste your fit then that might help.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
726
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Posted - 2016.06.12 10:44:46 -
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ISK150m/hour = ISK50m 'Ticks' (bounties pay out every 20min).
Solo? In a Subcap? In 0.0? I call shenanigans.
150m/hour is certainly possible, but not solo with a Rattler in 0.0 without some lucky loot drops to boost it.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1805
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Posted - 2016.06.12 10:48:24 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:30M is already a good number for ratting solo in nullsec without carrier. mmmm... when i was afk-taring i was getting like 60mil/hour without faction spawns...
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Captain Dingles
Sapingo and Co. Ltd. Killswitch Alliance
14
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Posted - 2016.06.12 10:56:50 -
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I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
25
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Posted - 2016.06.12 11:02:49 -
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Captain Dingles wrote:I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1380
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Posted - 2016.06.12 11:06:40 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:... I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour....
Your friends were liars and i knew this would happen with sp injectors coming into play. People want endgame content NOW NOW NOW and get huffy when it's a little different in outcome. Not everybody replaces sp with faction everything, not everybody buys their way to advancement, but the desire to do so has allowed both isk and sp to be removed from the economy. T2 ammo on rats? Just don't. inb4 people who make a billion an hour solo afk in hisec.
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Signal11th
1666
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Posted - 2016.06.12 11:15:27 -
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Well just before I left the game I had a 1700dps rattle against serps and that was making me 80-90 mill an hour just blasting them continuely and that was with full SP in everything I needed and as bling fit rattle, 150 an hour I've never even got close to that in 0.0 ratting in what 8/9 years.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12364
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Posted - 2016.06.12 13:37:42 -
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I think my previous post was eaten, but have you tried rapid heavies instead of cruises? You may find you get better damage application
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17762
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Posted - 2016.06.12 14:59:06 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?
I would say Heavies > Sentries for anoms, but even then, 30m/hr seems low. What class of anomaly?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
500
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Posted - 2016.06.12 15:46:10 -
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Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
179
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Posted - 2016.06.12 16:52:24 -
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Soel Reit wrote:well it depends on many factors, as all in eve. for example: - i do 20 mil/h in a covertor in high sec with orca boost - i know people that doing high sec incursion "with a good fleet" make 150/200 mil/hour even more sometime - lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour so i'm sure that mining in null, same ships would give you >30mil/hour. that said, i dunno ratting in null yet... but probably your friend involved the mtu harvest in his output? and you can always ask your friend for suggestions 100 mill/h with lvl4 missions? How???
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Igloo Clegane
Podlins R Us Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2016.06.12 16:58:12 -
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No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. |
Somal Thunder
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
34
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Posted - 2016.06.12 17:02:40 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Soel Reit wrote:- lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour
100 mill/h with lvl4 missions? How???
By training security connections and negotiation to 5, at that point you should get between 3000 and 7000 LP for every mission (varies based on other factors too), then you blitz the missions with the appropriate ship. Lots of warp gates? Use a Nightmare (ab bonus). Nothing to kill? Stiletto Mining/cargo mission? Buy loot off market for instant complete.
This way you can be getting ~20000 LP/hour easily, which is worth a minimum of 24 million isk when cashed out (depending on corp, assuming you don't cash out on some crap nobody wants).
Now be a little smart about it and find a station with 2 level 4's, pull 2 missions at a time, double the blitzing. But for every character you add now, you get 2 more simultaneous missions, making it even easier to blitz multiple missions. Of course there are diminishing returns on the count of us being human and having fairly bad reaction times, but I would say around 3 mission runners and you should be making about 75000 LP an hour + some sporadic bounties and the 3% implant from that random mission can that drops from a structure or something. Point is, it's easy money if you do it right -- and if you have multiple characters you can easily "blitz" the missions that need to be cleared, 3 domis with 4x DDA's hardly need a tank. |
Hawke Frost
184
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Posted - 2016.06.12 17:21:54 -
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Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.
Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type. |
Igloo Clegane
Podlins R Us Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2016.06.12 22:39:25 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.
It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14185
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Posted - 2016.06.12 23:14:36 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?
The reason you are making so little is because you are doing something incredibly wrong. What is your fit? What are your skills. Even my FoF cruise missile+ gecko Rattlesnake on a less skilled alt will do 72 mil per hour.
And 150 mil an hour is impossible in a single sub cap unless you are talking Vindicator in Serp/Guristas space and exclusive access to the right anomalies. Even then 150 and hour would be hard to get to.
Edit: re-read it. tech2 kinetic missiles + sentries. precision cruise suck and fury cruise don't apply well to anything smaller than a moon. |
aldhura
Bartledannians The Ascendancy Protocol
45
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Posted - 2016.06.13 01:06:07 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type.
He may be using the right ammo for the ship, but it ain't the right ammo for the NPC. You can do 60mil per hour in a macharial .
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
943
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Posted - 2016.06.13 01:19:30 -
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Igloo Clegane wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type. It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics.
I think you should take a look at the Rattlesnake's stats again, mate. Even a good old fashion L4 fit Tengu does best running Scourge against Angels, and such a fit only has a 5% per-level Kin buff compaired to the Rattler's 10% per-level buff.
Ergo, his issue of having underwhelming ISK ticks has little to do with his choice of damage type for his missiles. In fact, he's selected Scourge correctly. His issue has to do with overly high expected results.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
340
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Posted - 2016.06.13 01:28:01 -
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Somal Thunder wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:Soel Reit wrote:- lvl 4 mission in highsec with a good ship --> 80-100 mil/hour
100 mill/h with lvl4 missions? How??? By training security connections and negotiation to 5, at that point you should get between 3000 and 7000 LP for every mission (varies based on other factors too), then you blitz the missions with the appropriate ship. Lots of warp gates? Use a Nightmare (ab bonus). Nothing to kill? Stiletto Mining/cargo mission? Buy loot off market for instant complete. This way you can be getting ~20000 LP/hour easily, which is worth a minimum of 24 million isk when cashed out (depending on corp, assuming you don't cash out on some crap nobody wants). Now be a little smart about it and find a station with 2 level 4's, pull 2 missions at a time, double the blitzing. But for every character you add now, you get 2 more simultaneous missions, making it even easier to blitz multiple missions. Of course there are diminishing returns on the count of us being human and having fairly bad reaction times, but I would say around 3 mission runners and you should be making about 75000 LP an hour + some sporadic bounties and the 3% implant from that random mission can that drops from a structure or something. Point is, it's easy money if you do it right -- and if you have multiple characters you can easily "blitz" the missions that need to be cleared, 3 domis with 4x DDA's hardly need a tank. Oh god, no thanks. I already have a job. I do L4s and shooting MTUs cause I enjoy the laid back time FROM work. How much isk I make per hour is irrelevant...
This would cure me of the fear...
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Igloo Clegane
Podlins R Us Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2016.06.13 04:15:32 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type. It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics. I think you should take a look at the Rattlesnake's stats again, mate. Even a good old fashion L4 fit Tengu does best running Scourge against Angels, and such a fit only has a 5% per-level Kin buff compaired to the Rattler's 10% per-level buff. Ergo, his issue of having underwhelming ISK ticks has little to do with his choice of damage type for his missiles. In fact, he's selected Scourge correctly. His issue has to do with overly high expected results.
That's your problem and his problem, you refuse to fit to the npc damage type. Your paper dps means little if you fight against the damage type. 10 mil a tic is about 400 dps, a little less, in angel null. He is claiming 1400 paper dps. Ergo, refit explosive. His issue has nothing to do with expectations. His reality is 10 mil a tic and him thinking he should be getting 5 times that does not change anything. Thinking negatively does not lower your dps in this game. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14186
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Posted - 2016.06.13 04:49:27 -
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Igloo Clegane wrote:Sobaan Tali wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type. It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics. I think you should take a look at the Rattlesnake's stats again, mate. Even a good old fashion L4 fit Tengu does best running Scourge against Angels, and such a fit only has a 5% per-level Kin buff compaired to the Rattler's 10% per-level buff. Ergo, his issue of having underwhelming ISK ticks has little to do with his choice of damage type for his missiles. In fact, he's selected Scourge correctly. His issue has to do with overly high expected results. That's your problem and his problem, you refuse to fit to the npc damage type. Your paper dps means little if you fight against the damage type. 10 mil a tic is about 400 dps, a little less, in angel null. He is claiming 1400 paper dps. Ergo, refit explosive. His issue has nothing to do with expectations. His reality is 10 mil a tic and him thinking he should be getting 5 times that does not change anything. Thinking negatively does not lower your dps in this game.
Sigh
Unbonused explosive applies the exact same as bonused kinetic from Guristas ships (or any kinetic locked ship). As it has been explained to you, that's not his problem.
Have you ever used a Rattlesnake?
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Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
132
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Posted - 2016.06.13 04:55:35 -
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I made almost 23M in 20 minutes (just bounties) doing Dread Pirate Scarlet in my Rattlesnake. I think you're doing something wrong. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14186
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Posted - 2016.06.13 05:02:43 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:... I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour.... Your friends were liars and i knew this would happen with sp injectors coming into play. People want endgame content NOW NOW NOW and get huffy when it's a little different in outcome. Not everybody replaces sp with faction everything, not everybody buys their way to advancement, but the desire to do so has allowed both isk and sp to be removed from the economy. T2 ammo on rats? Just don't. inb4 people who make a billion an hour solo afk in hisec.
Well said, especially the point about injectors. The OPs problem could boil down to him not knowing to blap the frigs at range 1st.
I had a friend I used to rat with, he was relatively new. I brought in his alt (a character he bought) in a raven to rat anoms with us since I had an alt using fof missiles already. I noticed that our ticks plummeted when he brought that alt in. So I asked him what his missile skills were...
...They were zero. He'd trained the minimum skills to used cruise missiles and named cruise launchers, but ALL his missile range and application and damage skills (like rapid launch etc) were at zero or 1. Even though that was 5 years ago, I think I still have the bruise on my head from face palming so hard. I'd bet some cash that one of the problems here is that the OP doesn't have his missile and drone application skills trained to at least 3 or 4.
Everything in the game, pvp , pve, whatever, requires you to have some idea of what you are doing before you do it, and understanding skills is a HUGE part of it. New people who use injectors don't learn this stuff like they should. Then they get disappointed when things don't work like they thought they would. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
781
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Posted - 2016.06.13 05:39:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Everything in the game, pvp , pve, whatever, requires you to have some idea of what you are doing before you do it, and understanding skills is a HUGE part of it. New people who use injectors don't learn this stuff like they should. Then they get disappointed when things don't work like they thought they would.
Id like to quote this right here..... this is basically the game... oh and real life too.
It doesnt matter what you SHOULD be making or doing, if you have zero clue how to do it you wont get it nearly right. Even if you watch someone or they explain to you the numbers if you dont understand the numbers or how to get there you wont.
There is a reason after a certain point in math classes how they GIVE you the answers in the back of the text book. Or how for exams theyll give you the answers AND the formulas. But if you fail to know how to DO the actual math or show how you got there you will FAIL your exam. Life and Eve in this matter are the same.
Knowing the path is far from walking the path. And its immensely different than knowing WHY you walk that path.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Signal11th
1667
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Posted - 2016.06.13 07:46:27 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active.
I was told about the carrier doing really well last night, my first thought was "what, people rat in carriers now.... and it's normal???" Obviously I've been away for a while and jumped in my carrier saw these new fangled fighters bays etc , fancy rockets and mwd and thought nice carriers might actually be useful now. Took it out for a spin and still only managed to get the same sort of ticks that I was getting in my rattle so I'm puzzled by these 200mill an hours mentions..
And yes I have pretty much perfect carrier/drone/fighter skills, how on earth are people doing 200mil an hour in carriers? I can imagine maybe "when I get back into the swing of it" maybe managing 100-120mill an hours but I just can't see 200mill ever happening.
Anyway regardless I still shudder of the thought of using a carrier to rat in so will go back to my good old usual of flying around trying to catch stuff because ratting is dead boring.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
201
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:02:23 -
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If you search in the righr section of the forums you will find dozens of threads regaring this topic.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=484237&find=unread
Usually one person claims to make insane amounts of money doing L4s. Mostly it's done by extremely selective missioning. They only do burner and selected general missions, declining every other mission. Still the math is often skewed by not taking account of travel times, bad LP conversion for everything not SOE, use of a second alt, a much too low sample size etc.
Just do what you enjoy that's much better aiming for the highest ISK/h. |
Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
979
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:09:43 -
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I run level 4 SOE with bad to mediocre skills with a typhoon and cms. I make around 20-40m (bounty + loot + salvage). LP-¦s on top (i use those LP only for myself and dont sell things). But i have to admit that it all depends on the missions. If i could chose i-¦d only do worlds collide. |
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Hawke Frost
189
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:17:37 -
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Igloo Clegane wrote:Sobaan Tali wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:Hawke Frost wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. Kin is second best damage type to use, the Rattler gets thermal and kin damage bonus so he IS using the right ammo type. It's not the right damage type if he is getting 10 mil tics. I think you should take a look at the Rattlesnake's stats again, mate. Even a good old fashion L4 fit Tengu does best running Scourge against Angels, and such a fit only has a 5% per-level Kin buff compaired to the Rattler's 10% per-level buff. Ergo, his issue of having underwhelming ISK ticks has little to do with his choice of damage type for his missiles. In fact, he's selected Scourge correctly. His issue has to do with overly high expected results. That's your problem and his problem, you refuse to fit to the npc damage type. Your paper dps means little if you fight against the damage type. 10 mil a tic is about 400 dps, a little less, in angel null. He is claiming 1400 paper dps. Ergo, refit explosive. His issue has nothing to do with expectations. His reality is 10 mil a tic and him thinking he should be getting 5 times that does not change anything. Thinking negatively does not lower your dps in this game.
Really?
How clueless are you? He gets Fifty percent extra damage from using kinetic compared to using explosive and as Angels are also weak to kinetic he will do a LOT better by using scourge. Can you do maths?
Him not doing as advertised has NOTHING to do with his choice of missile damage type. It may have to do with his fit, skills or otherwise but NOT his Scourge damage type.
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:18:05 -
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Captain Dingles wrote:I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.
I was about to say the same. Im only new to exploration and I make 50 Mil an hour.
Pog mo thoin
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:35:18 -
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Never before in the history of internet spaceships, pushing the f keys on a keyboard has had such an halo of competency like in eve online mission running threads.
running a single character 15-40 mil/h depending on mission running with alts and being selective about missions 80-100 mil/h (150 with loot or salvage etc) running with scissors 150-300 mil
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Krel Morgantine
East Khanid Trading Short Bus Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:07:29 -
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I run rock havens in my rattle and usually hang around the 29 mil tick so to do 30 mil an hour , you're doing something wrong somewhere |
Yarosara Ruil
374
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:34:40 -
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30mil per hour is what I do with my Gila, doing rally points. And my skills are average at best. You're probably doing something very wrong.
If you're fighting Sansha, you ought to use Thermal Missiles with Amarr drones, while tanking for Thermal and EM. That's what I've taught to use at least... |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
179
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:42:39 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Never before in the history of internet spaceships, pushing the f keys on a keyboard has had such an halo of competency like in eve online mission running threads.
running a single character 15-40 mil/h depending on mission running with alts and being selective about missions 80-100 mil/h (150 with loot or salvage etc) running with scissors 150-300 mil Finally some1 with realistic values.
Most EVE players exaggerate a lot when they talk about ISK/h. Some of the conversations i have heard ... A: "I make 300+ mill/h with Incursions" B: "I make 600 mill/h in my wormhole" C: "I make over 1 bill/h ratting in my dread in my wormhole."
Its hilarious. Its like listening to a bragging contest of 8 year olds.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14188
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:08:14 -
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Signal11th wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active. I was told about the carrier doing really well last night, my first thought was "what, people rat in carriers now.... and it's normal???" Obviously I've been away for a while and jumped in my carrier saw these new fangled fighters bays etc , fancy rockets and mwd and thought nice carriers might actually be useful now. Took it out for a spin and still only managed to get the same sort of ticks that I was getting in my rattle so I'm puzzled by these 200mill an hours mentions.. And yes I have pretty much perfect carrier/drone/fighter skills, how on earth are people doing 200mil an hour in carriers? I can imagine maybe "when I get back into the swing of it" maybe managing 100-120mill an hours but I just can't see 200mill ever happening. Anyway regardless I still shudder of the thought of using a carrier to rat in so will go back to my good old usual of flying around trying to catch stuff because ratting is dead boring.
You use the special abilities the fighters have to one shot the frigs. That's the big secret lol.
Also, one person's 'boring' is another persons 'relaxing' (or at least as much as you can while watching local/intel and being ready to fight if it comes to it). I rat all the time and don't find it boring.
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Signal11th
1667
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:12:33 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Signal11th wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active. I was told about the carrier doing really well last night, my first thought was "what, people rat in carriers now.... and it's normal???" Obviously I've been away for a while and jumped in my carrier saw these new fangled fighters bays etc , fancy rockets and mwd and thought nice carriers might actually be useful now. Took it out for a spin and still only managed to get the same sort of ticks that I was getting in my rattle so I'm puzzled by these 200mill an hours mentions.. And yes I have pretty much perfect carrier/drone/fighter skills, how on earth are people doing 200mil an hour in carriers? I can imagine maybe "when I get back into the swing of it" maybe managing 100-120mill an hours but I just can't see 200mill ever happening. Anyway regardless I still shudder of the thought of using a carrier to rat in so will go back to my good old usual of flying around trying to catch stuff because ratting is dead boring. You use the special abilities the fighters have to one shot the frigs. That's the big secret lol. Also, one person's 'boring' is another persons 'relaxing' (or at least as much as you can while watching local/intel and being ready to fight if it comes to it). I rat all the time and don't find it boring.
I take it you mean the rockets for blapping the frigs?
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17762
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:18:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little? The reason you are making so little is because you are doing something incredibly wrong. What is your fit? What are your skills. Even my FoF cruise missile+ gecko Rattlesnake on a less skilled alt will do 72 mil per hour. And 150 mil an hour is impossible in a single sub cap unless you are talking Vindicator in Serp/Guristas space and exclusive access to the right anomalies. Even then 150 and hour would be hard to get to. Edit: re-read it. tech2 kinetic missiles + sentries. precision cruise suck and fury cruise don't apply well to anything smaller than a moon.
Even with NO missiles he should be getting more than 30m/hr
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14188
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:25:31 -
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Signal11th wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Signal11th wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active. I was told about the carrier doing really well last night, my first thought was "what, people rat in carriers now.... and it's normal???" Obviously I've been away for a while and jumped in my carrier saw these new fangled fighters bays etc , fancy rockets and mwd and thought nice carriers might actually be useful now. Took it out for a spin and still only managed to get the same sort of ticks that I was getting in my rattle so I'm puzzled by these 200mill an hours mentions.. And yes I have pretty much perfect carrier/drone/fighter skills, how on earth are people doing 200mil an hour in carriers? I can imagine maybe "when I get back into the swing of it" maybe managing 100-120mill an hours but I just can't see 200mill ever happening. Anyway regardless I still shudder of the thought of using a carrier to rat in so will go back to my good old usual of flying around trying to catch stuff because ratting is dead boring. You use the special abilities the fighters have to one shot the frigs. That's the big secret lol. Also, one person's 'boring' is another persons 'relaxing' (or at least as much as you can while watching local/intel and being ready to fight if it comes to it). I rat all the time and don't find it boring. I take it you mean the rockets for blapping the frigs?
Yea.
Malcanis wrote:
Even with NO missiles he should be getting more than 30m/hr
Not if he also has no DRONE support skills (like the racial drone skills that now affect faction drones and drone interfacing etc) trained lol.
The rattlesnake is extra tricky in this regard for people who don't know the game, it only requires you to be at drones II to launch it's full complement of up to 2 sentry/heavy drones. So new people skill injector their way into the ship with cruise missile (or heavy missle) trained to 1 (and nothing else) and drones trained to 2 (and nothing else) and then don't know why they aren't getting dank ticks lol.
I'll bet his skills has something to do with it. And his fit, and his tactics. TEST is newbro friendly and the alliance bros who rat where I rat know my reputation for killing NPCs en mass lol. I've had to help several "I skill injector-ed into a VNI/Gila/Rattlesnake/Raven, why am I making 5-10 mil ticks?" guys this year already lol. |
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
98
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:37:37 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little?
I run havens in a rattlesnake and make 80-120 mil an hour. A haven pays 30-40 mil in bounty. I can do 2-2.5 lazily an hour, 3- 3.5 an hour if im grinding. I only use standard missiles. T2/faction are a waste of money on rats.
One of your problems is your using sentries. Sentries suck for ratting. Heavies are far better for killing rats. I use heavies to kill everything when ratting. They have better tracking and better damage application and its faster than switching drones in and out. They also tank like a dream. So i fit less tank and more damage mods.
Support skills and experience matters when it comes to efficiency.
150 mil is on the high side of running havens. I would say with a good fit and experience if your grinding expect around 90 million. 150 mil is more doable for sanctums . Plexing can net you a couple hundred million or more per hour.
But if its taking you longer than ~35 minutes to run a haven in a snake you are extremely inefficient. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1170
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:59:55 -
[42] - Quote
you can inject SP, yet you cant inject knowledge XD
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2016.06.13 13:31:58 -
[43] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active. I was told about the carrier doing really well last night, my first thought was "what, people rat in carriers now.... and it's normal???" Obviously I've been away for a while and jumped in my carrier saw these new fangled fighters bays etc , fancy rockets and mwd and thought nice carriers might actually be useful now. Took it out for a spin and still only managed to get the same sort of ticks that I was getting in my rattle so I'm puzzled by these 200mill an hours mentions.. And yes I have pretty much perfect carrier/drone/fighter skills, how on earth are people doing 200mil an hour in carriers? I can imagine maybe "when I get back into the swing of it" maybe managing 100-120mill an hours but I just can't see 200mill ever happening. Anyway regardless I still shudder of the thought of using a carrier to rat in so will go back to my good old usual of flying around trying to catch stuff because ratting is dead boring.
Nidhoggur in Forsaken Hubs has just enough missile salvos to kill any non-BS, and has a few left for the last wave. 70m ticks if done properly. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1798
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Posted - 2016.06.14 00:35:32 -
[44] - Quote
........
OP.
If you want to make ISK, just join TEST and steal their treasury.
Might take some time, but the ISK/hour should be well over 100 mill+............
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Malakye Appleton
Voynich Decoded
11
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Posted - 2016.06.15 03:12:16 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:... I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour.... Your friends were liars and i knew this would happen with sp injectors coming into play. People want endgame content NOW NOW NOW and get huffy when it's a little different in outcome. Not everybody replaces sp with faction everything, not everybody buys their way to advancement, but the desire to do so has allowed both isk and sp to be removed from the economy. T2 ammo on rats? Just don't. inb4 people who make a billion an hour solo afk in hisec.
If Mickey Rourke were an EVE pilot, he would be this guy. Love the Avatar.
Voynich Decoded - Honorable Merc Corp - Now Recruiting PVP Pilots
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Jan van Riebeeck
Forte.
20
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Posted - 2016.06.15 07:45:32 -
[46] - Quote
Something has to be wrong. I made more than that ratting in a VNI |
Jan van Riebeeck
Forte.
20
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Posted - 2016.06.15 07:47:00 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Robert Sawyer wrote:Allow me to explain.
When I bought my Rattlesnake, I felt like a little kid during Christmas. I bought some skill injectors and quickly trained up on drones and missile skills, earning me about 1000 DPS using T2 kinetic cruise missiles and Republic Fleet Bouncers. My mates who already own ships of the sort told me that if I do Angel Havens, I should be able to make well over 150 million ISK an hour. So I fit my resistances accordingly, load up the drones and MTU and head out.
After an hour of ratting, where I started with 600 million ISK, I looked in my wallet and only found that I have won only 30 million ISK in the course of this hour. This is kind of ridiculous as even mining in a T1 barge can make more. I don't know what I do wrong - I warp in at 70km, drop my sentries and MTU and fire away. Why am I making so little? I run havens in a rattlesnake and make 80-120 mil an hour. A haven pays 30-40 mil in bounty. I can do 2-2.5 lazily an hour, 3- 3.5 an hour if im grinding. I only use standard missiles. T2/faction are a waste of money on rats. One of your problems is your using sentries. Sentries suck for ratting. Heavies are far better for killing rats. I use heavies to kill everything when ratting. They have better tracking and better damage application and its faster than switching drones in and out. They also tank like a dream. So i fit less tank and more damage mods. Support skills and experience matters when it comes to efficiency. 150 mil is on the high side of running havens. I would say with a good fit and experience if your grinding expect around 90 million. 150 mil is more doable for sanctums . Plexing can net you a couple hundred million or more per hour. But if its taking you longer than ~35 minutes to run a haven in a snake you are extremely inefficient.
Rattlesnake + FoF Missiles + Gecko + orbiting your gecko = Dank ISK |
Josef Djugashvilis
3438
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Posted - 2016.06.15 12:52:33 -
[48] - Quote
Captain Dingles wrote:I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.
I earn 200m per hour in my trusty Velator, with no need to speak to the Russians or anyone else for that matter.
I love that Eve is a fantasy game...
This is not a signature.
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Skinnie Jeans
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.06.15 15:14:43 -
[49] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Rattler, if flown well, should do at least 60m/hr, more reasonably would be 90-100m/hr. Vindicator in the right setup can do up to 150m/hr, but that's very active. Carriers can do ~200m+ /hr, also very active. I was told about the carrier doing really well last night, my first thought was "what, people rat in carriers now.... and it's normal???" Obviously I've been away for a while and jumped in my carrier saw these new fangled fighters bays etc , fancy rockets and mwd and thought nice carriers might actually be useful now. Took it out for a spin and still only managed to get the same sort of ticks that I was getting in my rattle so I'm puzzled by these 200mill an hours mentions.. And yes I have pretty much perfect carrier/drone/fighter skills, how on earth are people doing 200mil an hour in carriers? I can imagine maybe "when I get back into the swing of it" maybe managing 100-120mill an hours but I just can't see 200mill ever happening. Anyway regardless I still shudder of the thought of using a carrier to rat in so will go back to my good old usual of flying around trying to catch stuff because ratting is dead boring.
I rat in a thanny and 50m ticks are about the best I can do. 100-150m per hour is more reasonable from what I've seen. Can do 25-30 ticks in the rattlesnake. It sounds like you are missing some drone skills or something, I have 14m sp in drones. |
WhipDiddyWhip
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2016.06.15 15:30:17 -
[50] - Quote
delete |
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
530
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Posted - 2016.06.16 11:13:28 -
[51] - Quote
Captain Dingles wrote:I explore in a 10 mill heron and make like 60 -100 mill an hour. And i get to talk down to the Russians.
Ganon and his minions.
Omar Alharazaad > Pretty much any time you blow something up in space it's bound to annoy someone or something.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
268
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Posted - 2016.06.16 11:26:54 -
[52] - Quote
Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage.
In the Rattlesnake? Why not Kin? |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
12524
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Posted - 2016.06.16 11:30:59 -
[53] - Quote
Missile damage locked hulls are passe.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
99
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Posted - 2016.06.16 11:52:51 -
[54] - Quote
embrel wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. In the Rattlesnake? Why not Kin?
AFAIK, in a snake you should use either kin or therm for every rat depending on the rat because even at level 2 gallente BS one of those will do more damage than the primary damage type.
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
284
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Posted - 2016.06.16 14:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
Try a Gila with the drone bonus. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1129
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Posted - 2016.06.17 10:10:57 -
[56] - Quote
embrel wrote:Igloo Clegane wrote:No one is going to post that he is using the wrong damage type for angels? Refit to explosive damage. In the Rattlesnake? Why not Kin? Because people are too lazy to load up chruker and do basic math.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
249
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Posted - 2016.06.18 13:48:13 -
[57] - Quote
I make almost triple that in my Nightmare running Sanctums. Do you have nullsec space you can PvE in?
If not I could recommend Providence to you. Plenty of max-upgrade systems and neutral friendly!
Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!
Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
3515
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Posted - 2016.06.19 01:02:49 -
[58] - Quote
At a guess his problem is technique/knowledge and any of :
- there was a tick pending when he checked - he mentions an MTU; he may have spent ages farting around with these - he may have doubled-down on that and tried to salvage - he may have missed a lot of important drone skills when injecting; if his '1000dps' is mostly his fury ammo he's applying **** all - had his drones set to passive and wasn't pressing F
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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