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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:49:00 -
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Kugutsumen exposed the T20 scandal, without that exposure the vast majority of the playerbase would have had no idea of the extent of the corruption that CCP has now admitted too.
The result of that exposure- The whistleblower has had all his accounts banned T20 got a slapped wrist BoB got off scott free BoB leadership who also bent the forum rules got off scott free CCP have whitewashed the whole incident, appointing a IA who works in complete secrecy.
So the only person who has actually been punished in all of this to any real extent is Kugutsumen. those actually involved have not.
Would I be ****ed ? Damn right I would Would I make sure that CCP lives were a misery for as long as I could Damn right I would
I dont like some of the tactics that Kugutsumen is alleged to use, but given the situation I can understand why he may use them
CCP mishandled the whole situation and made a scapegoat of the wrong person, now that is coming home to roost.
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:53:00 -
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Question for Arkanon..
Was the GM seen and screenshotted scouting around Goonfleet POS's the Enslavers GM personality ?
and if so..
Is that an abuse of GM powers?
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.03 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: kieron and the shameful publishing of private information. [/url].
Given this Kieron..
Why was the "Shamefull publishing" of Kugutsumens personal information by Sir Molle and DBpreacher also not acted upon?
Sorry but Double standards seem to apply here
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 09:07:00 -
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The more I think about this, the more I am convinced that Kugutsumen should reveal a GM or Dev in game character once a month as threatened.
Kugutsumen is in a fight for his accounts to be unbanned, or the other players in this drama to be dealt with in the same manner as he was, if he just sits quiet and does nothing CCP will simply ignore him and hope he goes away. By hitting CCP employees - part of the system that punished him for outing the corruption he is keeping this issue alive within CCP and the player base.
CCP has two options as far as I can see, 1. Remove the need for Kugutsumen to take these actions, by re-instating his characters or 2. Punishing equally the other players who also revealed RL information, but who have got off scot free.
Blaming Kugutsumen for fighting for what he believes is justice, while ignoring CCP's horrendous mismanagement of this whole issue is narrrow minded to say the least.
What Kugutsumen is doing isnt very nice !! but neither is CCP's attitude, CCP has to take it's full share of the blame for Kugutsumens "Outings
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 06/03/2007 11:59:52 kugu reveals corruption, got Banned t20 breaks his contract, still employed Sir Molle breaks EULA, Nothing happens BoB shown to breach EULA (account Sharing) Nothing happens LV now shown to be account sharing- Nothing Happens
Evenhandedness is needed by CCP, to be seen to act on the proven EULA breaches, not only to act against Kugutsumen.
This is why Kugutsumen should continue toi make life as difficult as possible for CCP and its employee's and if innocent GM's get outed and have to move their characters then while I am sorry for them it is collateral damage that has to be accpeted until CCP start to treat all the players equally
Thats is what stinks here, CCP pet alliance BoB is untouchable while Kugutsumen is banned
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:21:00 -
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Quote: What stinks here is the idiocy that some of you are showing.
I agree.. when are you going to stop it
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:37:00 -
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If BoB as a whole has committed misconducts, actions will be taken accordingly once CCP is done investigating..thats how it's always been in every case.
But that is the point..
BoB has been PROVED to operate a cynonet by account sharing, yet ZERO punshiment
Sir Molle has been shown to have posted RL info but no action is taken
*Snipped for brevity*
etc etc etc......
Like it or not CCP is NOT dealing equally with BoB, and while CCP Pet Alliance may be a little tongue in cheek the FACTS remain that CCP will not take action against them no matter how much evidence is presented.
and until CCP address that issue Kugutsumen has every right to be agrieved and make life as uncomfortable for CCP and its employees as possible
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:56:00 -
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ask around, the proof is on the website we are not allowed to mention.. Screen shots of Eve-O forums with Sir Molle posting RL info.. Transcripts of BoB members forums with details of the Cynonet
and much more.
If as you say you havent read it how can you make a judgement?
It took CCP a couple hours to ban Kugutsumen.. the proof of the above and much more has been with CCP for weeks and they are not taking any action against them.
This is not some hypothetical situation it is the facts of what CCP are failing to do,
Until CCP acts with equal fairness and either unban "K" or take punative action against ALL those shown to be breaching the EULA then "K" has every right to be ****ed and lash out at CCP and its employees
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:25:00 -
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Quote: Griefing people's real life over a banned account in an internet spaceship game? Get a grip.
You mean like Sir Molle posting RL info and trying to get the playerbase to call "K's" boss and get him fired?
but that has gone totally unpunsihed yet you ignore that!! and whine about K doing doing no more than revealing a fictional characters relationship to CCP in an internet game.
Which is more serious in your mind?
and trust us if action had been taken against Sir Molle and BoB we would know about it.
As too other alliances breaking the EULA, Have you petitioned it? if not why not? If a petition with proof hasnt been submitted on all these other breaches of the EULA CCP cant act.
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:36:00 -
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So let me get this correct
We are saying that there is proof of Sir Molle and BoB breaking the EULA, telling you where that proof is (which is not allowed to be shown on Eve-O) and saying that CCP is ignoring that proof and failing to take action
You are saying that you havent actually seen that proof, but that CCP have acted correctly?
and then state that I am not being rational ?
To make a jusgement on wether CCP is acting correctly surely you must examine the proof of divulging RL info and of the existance of BoB's Cynonet to see if it would in your opinion be a breach of the EULA, if you agree it is a breach of the EULA and CCP has taken no action then how would you justify your current stance.
If you read the proof and feel that no breach of the EULA has taken place then your stance would be valid.
But to make a statemnt without examining the facts is not rational
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Originally by: RaBbLe66
Quote: Griefing people's real life over a banned account in an internet spaceship game? Get a grip.
You mean like Sir Molle posting RL info and trying to get the playerbase to call "K's" boss and get him fired?
Let me reply with something you might understand. Proof or STFU.
Certainly
go to the website that cant be mentioned and see it for yourself.
Or go to Scrapheap challenge and ask there
How about Slashdot.. they saw it too
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:53:00 -
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so transcripts from BoB's forums which they admit are true is hearsay..
Screenshots of Sir Molles post detailing "K's" Real life name employment and location are hearsay?
pretty damning "hearsay" wouldnt you say
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 06/03/2007 16:28:18
Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Originally by: Malachon Draco Weird argument. How was it public knowledge?
So if I know that GM X is actually player Z and is called D in reallife and lives in M, and I post that on 5 external websites first, then post it on Eve-O its not against the EULA anymore? Because its public knowledge?
Because a Goon leader already posted the exact same info on eve-o earlier and didn't get banned for it?
It doesn't really matter anyway, the forum rules don't warrant an immediate ban for posting this kind of info. A warning, yes, an immediate ban, no.
Actually read the EULA
Quote: C. Compliance with Rules of Conduct You agree to observe and abide by the Rules of Conduct as may be amended by CCP from time to time. The current version of the Rules of Conduct may be viewed at http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp, and are incorporated in the EULA by reference.
Activities via the forum are explicitly INCLUDED in the EULA, and breaches of the code of conduct are considered breaches of the EULA.
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 06/03/2007 16:39:21
Quote: As an Eve Online subscriber, you must observe and abide by the rules of conduct and policies outlined below, as well as the End User License Agreement. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.
Quote: You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
From http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp
It is quite clear from the two posts I have just posted that posting Real Life information is against the forum rules and the EULA.
NOTE: it does not say you can post some, or a bit it is very clear, personal information cannot be posted.
It was posted, CCP has seen the proof that Real Life info has been posted by Sir Molle in clear breach of its rules and the EULA. so why is he not banned?
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:46:00 -
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Quote: Obviously, CCP didn't think Molles post warranted a ban
And there you have the whole problem.
CCP wont/dont want to punish the leader of the alliance that gained most from the T20 affair for other clear violations of the forum rules/EULA.
This is waht leads many of us to believe that BoB leadership is untouchable, CCP could act, there is easily enough proof to act, but fail to do so, in the meantime the person who exposed the whole scandal is banned.
This is the double standards that worry so many players
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 06/03/2007 17:32:27
Quote: I have only made judgement on the things I do know - And it doesnt make the rest I said invalid,
If you have made a judgement without all the facts then how do you know that judgement is not flawed.
I am not saying what happened to The Enslaver is nice, what I am saying is that I can understand "K"'s reasons for doing it.
2 wrongs do not make a right. but keeping quiet and not making waves also do not correct a percieved wrong, "K" is using what weapons he has at his disposal to try to correct what he , and others see as an injustice by CCP
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 06/03/2007 18:35:50 To Cadela Fria Nice rant
I have explained fully why I see this as a problem,
That CCP and you are asking me to trust them when by all appearences they are operating double standards.
As to why I am so concerned.
I play Eve, I enjoy playing Eve I work hard to earn the Money to play Eve When I pay money to enjoy a game I want to KNOW that I am playing on an even playing field.
If you have no concerns over what CCP do/dont do why are you so het up? go play the game.
If you are 100% sure that the playing field is level, and that a certain alliance indiscretions are not being overlooked then you have nothing to write about,
What you dont have is the right to tell another player that he is not allowed to have concerns, that, despite your own admission you havent seen the much vaunted proof, that he shouldnt voice those worries.
You are perfectly welcome to put your trust in CCP, Good luck to you, I too did trust CCP, now I see reasons why that trust should not be given automaticaly and after the severe dent CCP's credibility has taken I am looking for that trust to be rebuilt. Only CCP can do this, and so far all I have seen is whitewash and promises with no substance.
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RaBbLe66
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:47:00 -
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Give up guys..
CCP are NOT interested
This thread is open for ONE reason... to allow the mods to remove ANY other thread on the subject and point users to here to post.
CCP HAS ZERO interest in responding.
No matter how valid your question, or how deep your concerns CCP will ignore it.
If you have concerns and you seriously want them addresssed e-mail every game magazine and post on every single gaming forum you can find, CCP will respond to outside publications, they dont want the bad press in the printed and on-line gaming media.
But they will not respond to their paying customers,
If you want answers/responses, then spend a little time ensuring that those who can affect CCP know that there is a problem here..
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