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s4mp3r0r
ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:35:00 -
[751]
so when will kieron be banned for account sharing ?
Quote: I wish i could tell you more but I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
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Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.11 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r so when will kieron be banned for account sharing ?
think you where allowed to give away accounts to friends back on the old days. not sure though. you'll never jump alone
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Fitz Regal
Invictus Unbowed
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Posted - 2007.03.11 18:52:00 -
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Rather than have this almost weekly expose, to save us all a lot of time and effort why doesnt CCP just find tell us now which ccp employees are NOT members of bob, and can I ask in advance if either of them would consider joining my corp?
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s4mp3r0r
ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.11 20:40:00 -
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or just allow one cheating dev per corp.
Quote: I wish i could tell you more but I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
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Heather Brandt
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.03.11 21:33:00 -
[755]
Another question, is it true that to get a responce we have to spam info on the CAOD forum?
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Heather Brandt
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.03.11 21:41:00 -
[756]
CCP your cheating and attitude is inappropriate. Please regain some shred of decency by stopping it û subscriber
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.03.11 22:24:00 -
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lol @ the latest 'bombshell'.
It appears K has never heard of 'save the best for last'. Have to admit he's good at firing up his fanbois, but anyone with half a brain should be able to see that he's desperately trying to add one and one together, but failing to arrive at two.
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Lars Erlkonig
Caldari Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.11 22:27:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Heather Brandt Another question, is it true that to get a responce we have to spam info on the CAOD forum?
If you want about a day's worth of responses from CCP telling you that the situation has been handled and someone's been properly reprimanded but they cannot say anything more about what may really have gone on-yes, you need to get a couple of warnings and thread locks in the CAOD. They stopped replying here some time ago.
If you're going to spam the CAOD thread could you also ask them about the POS issues that are going on with all the current alliance warfare. Link to POS thread Thanks.
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Ghitza
Backup Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.11 22:31:00 -
[759]
Ive just readed article of guy whos name i cant even say on those forums and im totaly confused
What the hell is happening out there in CCP? Well so far CCP is loosing my respect and faith. Sad but true.
There can be GMs/DEVs in game but please... there are some borders which shouldnt be crosed.
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NereSky
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.11 23:18:00 -
[760]
im suprised the allegations have been steady against evolution and the DEVs since 2003 , and yet its only recently CCP have been trying to do summat, i suppose all the crap under the carpet was just too much, summat was bound to rear its ugly head,
I dont think the player base will ever let this go until some positive action is taken.
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Dragutinovic
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.11 23:50:00 -
[761]
Makes sense why a certain member did not received any penalty for really bad abuse in 2004 ^^
Think my return to eve gets scratched as they didnt learn . _____________
Im back !
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:46:00 -
[762]
Originally by: Eilene Fernite lol @ the latest 'bombshell'.
It appears K has never heard of 'save the best for last'. Have to admit he's good at firing up his fanbois, but anyone with half a brain should be able to see that he's desperately trying to add one and one together, but failing to arrive at two.
And the CCP fanbois add it together top make 14 as usual
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Kassandra Wheldon
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.03.12 09:16:00 -
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what about the HEAD of ISD, Nebulai being outted on K's forum as helping EVOL gain an upperhand in the events on tranquility? Also i understand CLS was in some of it aswell on tranq and the test server, just trying to dispell that it was a nother bob and ccp in the same bed deal,
but CLS well.. they've "been totally destroyed and demormailzed" according to BoB sources... and the guy's that ran it are all gone, not even subcribing anymore. so whats your answer on that
other then he's no longer doing the events?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite lol @ the latest 'bombshell'.
It appears K has never heard of 'save the best for last'. Have to admit he's good at firing up his fanbois, but anyone with half a brain should be able to see that he's desperately trying to add one and one together, but failing to arrive at two.
How do you arrive at the conclusion this is the 'last'? He might very well be sitting on quite a few more bombshells, I doubt this is the last of them. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.03.12 10:32:00 -
[765]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Eilene Fernite lol @ the latest 'bombshell'.
It appears K has never heard of 'save the best for last'. Have to admit he's good at firing up his fanbois, but anyone with half a brain should be able to see that he's desperately trying to add one and one together, but failing to arrive at two.
How do you arrive at the conclusion this is the 'last'? He might very well be sitting on quite a few more bombshells, I doubt this is the last of them.
I'll believe that when I see it.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.03.13 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: R3dSh1ft CCP should stop living in denial.
1. There are Devs/Gms/ISD whatever who are in the game with chars CCP DONT KNOW ABOUT helping their corps and alliances do better. This is obvious to anybody who has been reading and is a long time player.
Devs/GMs/ISD can only do 'special' stuff from their special accounts, and those are monitored. Even if they would have regular accounts that CCP don't know about (which I doubt, but I guess it's possible), they don't have any special tools on those accounts.
Quote: 2. CCP have no control over it as obviously Arkanon has failed so far to produce any evidence that this has been tackled.
That could ofcourse also mean that there is nothing to tackle. Or that he can't/won't give out information about running investigations.
Quote: 3. There are several reasons that insiders get an advantage but mostly they are things that would be insignificant of CCP took some simple steps such as documenting their game and fixing bugs as and when they appear.
If I had a nickle for everytime I saw someone post 'I know more about this game than this GM does, why do we have to explain to them how the game is supposed to work?', I'd be rich. Why do you think they hired Enslaver in the first place? One of the reasons must have been that he knows more about the game than the average GM.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 09:25:00 -
[767]
Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Originally by: R3dSh1ft CCP should stop living in denial.
1. There are Devs/Gms/ISD whatever who are in the game with chars CCP DONT KNOW ABOUT helping their corps and alliances do better. This is obvious to anybody who has been reading and is a long time player.
Devs/GMs/ISD can only do 'special' stuff from their special accounts, and those are monitored. Even if they would have regular accounts that CCP don't know about (which I doubt, but I guess it's possible), they don't have any special tools on those accounts.
You're right in that.
But what about this situation?
GM gets report from player ingame about a weird glitch/some kind of exploit. He investigates and finds out its indeed a bug of some kind. Not sure how to proceed, he goes to his boss, a lead GM. Lead GM looks at the situation and says, hmmm, devs will have to fix it, until then nothing we can do, and logs don't record this kind of info.
Sounds reasonably plausible, something that could happen?
Now lets say GM has a character in alliance X. He knows about the glitch/exploit, he knows it can be done by regular players, he knows there are no logs. What prevents him from exploiting the glitch himself, knowing he is untouchable? What prevents him from sending an MSN message to his alliance buddies (outside of any CCP communication system, i.e. unmonitorable) saying:"hey, I found this glitch and its awesome what we can do with it'. He doesn't even have to reveal he's a GM to his buddies and can just claim he found it himself.
This is the benefit GMs give an alliance. It doesn't require their GM account, special hacks, or even uncovering themself as a GM to fellow players (which is a security risk). GMs get information. Information that can be used to fix problems, but also information that can be used for personal benefit. Or even both at the same time. A GM can still do his duty in reporting a glitch properly, then turn around and abuse it until it is fixed by the Devs.
A GM will have more intricate knowledge of exactly what information is being logged by the server. And thus what exploits are 'dangerous' in terms of being discovered, and which are not.
And are all actions by GMs really logged? For example, GMs can check chatlogs I think, because they need them to check petitions for profanity and threats and such. Are all those GM activities logged? I could imagine that a GM-member of LV would be very interested in finding out what Remedial and Turkantho say to each other in private convos.
Or what about progress on capital construction? GMs can see the contents of hangars, and the progress of buildjobs, can't they? Is it really logged and checked every time a GM checks a hangar or a buildjob? I can imagine the buildstatus of the next BoB Titan is mighty interesting to say a Goonswarm GM, knowing his alliance is intending to hit a capshipyard.
There are so many ways in which a GM can benefit his own alliance, its mindboggling. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
s4mp3r0r
ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.13 09:51:00 -
[768]
Edited by: s4mp3r0r on 13/03/2007 09:58:44 and so it keeps coming back to : transparancy and proof of whats being done.
So far the only thing Ark is doing is hiding in some corner.
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OozoO
Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r
So far the only thing Ark is doing is hiding in some corner.
the very same corner where dbp just came from
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:41:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Malachon Draco GM gets report from player ingame about a weird glitch/some kind of exploit. He investigates and finds out its indeed a bug of some kind. Not sure how to proceed, he goes to his boss, a lead GM. Lead GM looks at the situation and says, hmmm, devs will have to fix it, until then nothing we can do, and logs don't record this kind of info.
Sounds reasonably plausible, something that could happen?
No, not really, not to me anyway. Ofcourse it's possible that some kind of exploit could exist that doesn't show up in logs, but that rises the question of how the GM could find/confirm it anyway. Not only that, but they'll be able to get some kind of logging installed, or find a way to deduce what happens from other logs. From Arkanons earlier blog:
Originally by: Arkanon I have access to all available TQ logs and work with a programmer to provide more detailed logs and reports, as needed.
Quote: Now lets say GM has a character in alliance X. He knows about the glitch/exploit, he knows it can be done by regular players, he knows there are no logs. What prevents him from exploiting the glitch himself, knowing he is untouchable? What prevents him from sending an MSN message to his alliance buddies (outside of any CCP communication system, i.e. unmonitorable) saying:"hey, I found this glitch and its awesome what we can do with it'. He doesn't even have to reveal he's a GM to his buddies and can just claim he found it himself.
This is the benefit GMs give an alliance. It doesn't require their GM account, special hacks, or even uncovering themself as a GM to fellow players (which is a security risk). GMs get information. Information that can be used to fix problems, but also information that can be used for personal benefit. Or even both at the same time. A GM can still do his duty in reporting a glitch properly, then turn around and abuse it until it is fixed by the Devs.
A GM will have more intricate knowledge of exactly what information is being logged by the server. And thus what exploits are 'dangerous' in terms of being discovered, and which are not.
Ofcourse something like this is theoretically possible. However, as soon as player start using this hypothetical exploit, people will be harmed by it, petitions will be filed and the exploiting player will be dealt with.
Quote: And are all actions by GMs really logged? For example, GMs can check chatlogs I think, because they need them to check petitions for profanity and threats and such. Are all those GM activities logged? I could imagine that a GM-member of LV would be very interested in finding out what Remedial and Turkantho say to each other in private convos.
Or what about progress on capital construction? GMs can see the contents of hangars, and the progress of buildjobs, can't they? Is it really logged and checked every time a GM checks a hangar or a buildjob? I can imagine the buildstatus of the next BoB Titan is mighty interesting to say a Goonswarm GM, knowing his alliance is intending to hit a capshipyard.
There are so many ways in which a GM can benefit his own alliance, its mindboggling.
I don't pretend to know what GM actions are logged, but I find it hard to believe that sensitive acts as looking in on private communications aren't logged. The same goes for possible game affecting options as looking into a capital construction yard. Those logs are periodically checked, so even if abuse is possible, it will be found out.
However, if you insist on playing the 'what if' game, you can reach any conclusion you like. What if CCP is lying to us and they don't log anything at all? What if some of the senior Devs have chars in D2, and are leaking info to hurt their colleagues in BoB? What if the events that CCP has gone public with are indeed the only incidents to have occurred? Anything is possible, that doesn't mean you need to be paranoid about it.
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Logan Williams
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:34:00 -
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I don't care if GM actions are logged or not and I'm not going to say that a corrupt GM is a BAD person.
Even with recent to light BP incidents, the particular GM involved didn't have to be particularly bad. Let's assume that he's a sap in real life, like me. Happy to do my own thing but always wanting to help others whom I can. Understanding that alot of us play Eve like we live our real lives........There is a person whom I've played with now for 2-3 years, always friendly, always helpful, and luck just never seems to go their way.
"Hey, I could shuffle the lottery a bit. They don't have to know. I could make it something decent but not way massive. They could produce it and fund their pvp and it would be just perfect for them."
I can see situations similar to this involved in "GM corruption".
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*disclaimer: I'm not reading 20 something pages of thread to see if this was proposed.
Put them where we can see them. The GM's need to play the game just like we do. Why not put them and their alts into a GM alliance. We know they're GM's at that point. They know they're under scrutiny at that point. They wouldn't make any obvious moves so we'd be pretty sure that any server side problems where "this alliance logged in before that alliance" would be just that, a server side issue and well, they were more organised at logging in than us.
They could live in jove and a "wormhole" could open in a different region daily so we could go to fight them....if we're willing. They're ships wouldn't be allowed to drop any mods though but they could use what they like to fight with.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:50:00 -
[772]
Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 13/03/2007 12:47:06
Originally by: Eilene Fernite ... What if the events that CCP has gone public with are indeed the only incidents to have occurred? Anything is possible, that doesn't mean you need to be paranoid about it.
I can tell you the points that have made me paranoid. - someone gave BoB advance warning when the best NPCs in the game moved to delve. - some developers thought it was a good idea to give delve 11 high end complexes but other regions 0 after that I was convinced the game was corrupt. How high up in CCP do the corruption go when they get away with adding 11 complexes to Delve was my thought. Noone at CCP thought this was a bit smelly and spoke up or is CCP rotten all the way through?
You can hardly blame people like me for beeing a bit paranoid about everything after this.
you'll never jump alone
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s4mp3r0r
ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:04:00 -
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especially with all the other skeletons that are coming out of the closet lately.
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Et alii
The Syndicate.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Et alii on 13/03/2007 13:16:50
Originally by: Xthril Ranger
I can tell you the points that have made me paranoid. - someone gave BoB advance warning when the best NPCs in the game moved to delve. - some developers thought it was a good idea to give delve 11 high end complexes but other regions 0 after that I was convinced the game was corrupt. How high up in CCP do the corruption go when they get away with adding 11 complexes to Delve was my thought. Noone at CCP thought this was a bit smelly and spoke up or is CCP rotten all the way through?
You can hardly blame people like me for beeing a bit paranoid about everything after this.
U do realize that the complexes in delve was added WAY before any invasion by BoB, the area was held by FA at the time.
I think the BoB invasion came about 6-8 months after the plexes was introduced.
Edit: The reason people might not remeber this is that it was much harder back then so they where rearly done as the rewards wasn't worth the risk, changes in game mechanics made them more easy over time.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Xthril Ranger Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 13/03/2007 12:47:06
Originally by: Eilene Fernite ... What if the events that CCP has gone public with are indeed the only incidents to have occurred? Anything is possible, that doesn't mean you need to be paranoid about it.
I can tell you the points that have made me paranoid. - someone gave BoB advance warning when the best NPCs in the game moved to delve. - some developers thought it was a good idea to give delve 11 high end complexes but other regions 0 after that I was convinced the game was corrupt. How high up in CCP do the corruption go when they get away with adding 11 complexes to Delve was my thought. Noone at CCP thought this was a bit smelly and spoke up or is CCP rotten all the way through?
You can hardly blame people like me for beeing a bit paranoid about everything after this.
Dianabolic and myself chose delve.
We chose delve for 2 reasons - wealth and location.
At the time it had the highest concentration of complexes in the game and had good npc's.
Furthermore, it was wedged directly between FA and FIX, both of whom were allied at the time and both of whom we were on our way to attack.
Finally, after examining every conquerable station in the game at the time, we decided that NOL was probably one of the hardest places to take and hold for any length of time without us being able to take it back but was still close enough to empire to allow us access to our empire stuff (which we had lots of at the time as all our industry used to be in empire).
When CCP introduced the NPC stations we complained bitterly to them about it because quite frankly, NPC stations are a relic of a game gone past and should have no place in any 0.0 space at all as far as we are concerned.
So there you have it, the full reasons for our choice of location. Anyone around at the time who had any idea of the politics, tactics or common sense will back this up as the truth because it simply made the most sense at the time for our alliance... and if the npc stations, extra plexes weren't added I would still think it was the best area in the game for sooo much more reasons than pure financial.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.03.13 14:26:00 -
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*snip* for trolling and going off topic. - Karass Sayfo
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel *snip* for trolling and going off topic. - Karass Sayfo
Richard you're getting hysterical mate. I suggest you take whatever the modern version of valium is and lie down for a while
Congrats on your new job Ens. I'm only sad that what boils down to a bitter little computer geek delved into your personal life and has perhaps ruined your game playing. I personally hope CCP will not allow that to happen.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.13 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
... So there you have it, the full reasons for our choice of location. Anyone around at the time who had any idea of the politics, tactics or common sense will back this up as the truth because it simply made the most sense at the time for our alliance... and if the npc stations, extra plexes weren't added I would still think it was the best area in the game for sooo much more reasons than pure financial.
It would make sense for BoB to go to delve even if it wasnt for that the region was rich. Going between the fix/fa block was one of the better tactical moves done at that time so grats to you and Dianabolic for that. My problem is that you said it was the best region in the game before you moved in, and the devs added more complexes (to a total of 11) and agents to the region that was already the best after you moved in. We suspected/knew there was a lot of devs in bob and they live in the best region and decide to improve that region even more.
The first point of my earlier post might have been irrelevant or something that have popped up in my brain later so maybe you have accomplished something today DBP. There is still so many dodgy things that have happened during the 3 years I have played that I think I am entitled to my paranoia and sceptisism. you'll never jump alone
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/03/2007 15:39:02
Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: DB Preacher
... So there you have it, the full reasons for our choice of location. Anyone around at the time who had any idea of the politics, tactics or common sense will back this up as the truth because it simply made the most sense at the time for our alliance... and if the npc stations, extra plexes weren't added I would still think it was the best area in the game for sooo much more reasons than pure financial.
It would make sense for BoB to go to delve even if it wasnt for that the region was rich. Going between the fix/fa block was one of the better tactical moves done at that time so grats to you and Dianabolic for that. My problem is that you said it was the best region in the game before you moved in, and the devs added more complexes (to a total of 11) and agents to the region that was already the best after you moved in. We suspected/knew there was a lot of devs in bob and they live in the best region and decide to improve that region even more.
The first point of my earlier post might have been irrelevant or something that have popped up in my brain later so maybe you have accomplished something today DBP. There is still so many dodgy things that have happened during the 3 years I have played that I think I am entitled to my paranoia and sceptisism.
Ignoring the rights/wrongs of whether the complexes should/shouldnt have been added, I just wanted to say the following:
You mention that there are now 11 plexes in delve since the changes but the actual additions to delve were pretty minimal (there were 7/8 there already I think).
Delve got a 10/10 complex (which had incorrectly been missing since the blood raiders moved down as was the case with most of the big NPC corps and was fixed in delve, up north and pretty much everywhere).
Apart from that, within delve itself I think they added 2(?) new 6/10's or something, so it wasn't really a massive change. I might be wrong on the actual figures here and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.
Either way, it didn't feel like there was a massive difference to the number of plexes within delve outside of the obvious 10/10. It wasn't like they added 34095345 plexes and every bob member had one each. The change for us was minimal and every bob member still complains there isn't enough ;)
Also you slightly misquoted me though, I said Delve was in our opinion the most lucrative. At the time, it was the most lucrative from a complex point of view.
The NPC's were standard throughout the game but the loot from the NPC's fitted much, much better with our setups than the gurista ones we had been chaining up north.
The ore was terrible compared with the North and places like Fountain or Curse.
So just to be clear, I never meant that Delve was the richest per se (it wasn't), it was just the richest for us. (p.s. I'm not backtracking trying to make it delve look crap or anything, just trying to give you a good background as to why we chose it and the fluctuations in the region since we have been there).
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Lars Erlkonig
Caldari Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lars Erlkonig on 13/03/2007 15:52:57 Guys (& gals), lets leave be any issues we have with how wonderful Delve will be when the coaliton takes NOL, and get back on the topic of GM's and Devs being in alliances, and the repercussions to the game. This isn't about Devs or GM's being in BOB or LV. It is about Devs, ISD, & GM's being involved in alliances in the first place and the effect this can have on the game. I would not like to see communication on this issue get locked for cause.
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