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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:25:00 -
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Well says it all have seen and talked to a lot of peeps in various alliances it seems nearly every large 0.0 alliance houses at least 10% of its population is against the EULA farming outfits.
Should we petition these characters if and when we find them what is CCP doing about this as 0.0 ISK farmers would make more than their empire mining counterparts, is this accepted as happening by CCP and what should a regular member do as far as reporting these discoveries of farmers in their local systems
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:29:00 -
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In terms of EULA-violation, there's no difference if the violation occurs in 0.0 or in Empire, and such characters should be petitioned in the same way anyone in empire (macro-miners etc.) should be. As to what CCP is doing, it hasn't been their policy to announce it every time they do close accounts, but every now and then reports are posted by our GMs or developers, often as a newsitem or similar.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:32:00 -
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0.0??? err why not just get a few peeps together and do what people always do in 0.0??
OMGWTFPWNBBQ the suckers and THEN petition them  Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:33:00 -
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many thanks ISD having talked to a few peeps in empire channels and the help channel seems this is fairly widespread well i shall petition each and every case as it comes up
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000 0.0??? err why not just get a few peeps together and do what people always do in 0.0??
OMGWTFPWNBBQ the suckers and THEN petition them 
unfornatley some of these are light blue under a certain alliances rental agreement and therefore shooting them will get the real players in trouble. I wont name and shame them but a petition has been lodged if nothing is done next step is alliacne leadership will be notified if no action is taken then name and shame on COAD will occour
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kate Nexus on 06/03/2007 12:41:50 Edited by: Kate Nexus on 06/03/2007 12:40:37 If they want to stop the problem they need to go after the higher-ups in 0.0 alliances that have arranged deals with EULA-breaking farming outfits. These alliances give them immunity in 0.0 space in exchange for a) EULA-violating ISK b) cash. it's corruption
A dev was in BoB, more devs might be also.. it can't be that hard to investigate, then again BoB was allowed to keep the forged BPOs for a long time when CCP knew about it, so maybe this is all going on with official approval? hm why weren't the BPOs removed anyways? Forgive me for getting off topic I just cant help but wonder why BoB has immunity from investigation. They can check chat logs, they had a dev with access to BoB private forums (maybe more) because he was in BoB and generating BPOs for them. They have the means to find out exactly what goes on. Maybe they already know???
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933
unfornatley some of these are light blue under a certain alliances rental agreement and therefore shooting them will get the real players in trouble. I wont name and shame them but a petition has been lodged if nothing is done next step is alliacne leadership will be notified if no action is taken then name and shame on COAD will occour
If you're thinking the same people I am then Im afraid they wont be touched, at least not if you try to expose them on the official forums. The "mystery people" we will call them have a "way" with getting things in their favor (no spies in their outfits, ever wonder why). A whistleblower was banned, so if you try to blow a whistle on this outfit of players probably you would be banned also. They SEEM to have the means to cheat in the worst way
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Barbarellas Daughter
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Posted - 2007.03.06 12:55:00 -
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could someone please explain "EULA farming outfits" or give me a link? thx
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:04:00 -
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well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out
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Sash Windu
Gallente The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov In terms of EULA-violation, there's no difference if the violation occurs in 0.0 or in Empire
ROTFLMAO
Uh, actions speak louder than words, mate.
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Kate Nexus
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out
They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.06 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter could someone please explain "EULA farming outfits" or give me a link? thx
EULA breaking as in end user licensing agreement - the terms and conditiosn when u install eve that screen comes up if u read it carefully it sets out eves rules regulations and what can get u banned ( part of that is use of macros and ISK for RL $$$ sales) and all activitries linked to it
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Jobby
Minmatar Forty Two
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:20:00 -
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/me goes to look up "complicant"
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out
They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm
Wow, dunno what to say about that really 
I have seen farmer's all over eve in pretty much every alliance so it's not like it's a new thing. there's one alliance which is probably the most famous for farming in the game but i doubt they will get a mention in your crusade of righteousnous.
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nim TsuNim
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jobby /me goes to look up "complicant"
I think they were in Blade Runner.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:43:00 -
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I can't speak for anyone but FLA, but if you suspect farmers are flying under our banner, let us know and we'll BBQ them ourselves. Isk farming ftl. --------
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.06 14:55:00 -
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I've never seen or heard of an alliance that wants isk farmers about. I'm sure it happens, but for most alliances, isk farmers get dragged into the street and shot in the head... repeatedly. Think about it - if they are farming isk in your systems, under your banner, not only are they driving inflation in your area, but they are also doing so at YOUR expense. They are killing YOUR rats, getting YOUR faction spawns, and ruining YOUR reputation when they are discovered.
The only farmer I've seen in a while is Daisypk, and we drove her out of our area months ago. She's still in game though, so obviously someone has let her in to their corp/alliance.  Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:01:00 -
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I know for a fact that bob had farmers in delve.
I kill macros/farmers for fun.. I kinda like it :) In my travels to find bobbits to kill, I found farmers.
I add farmers to my buddylist, so they show up in local now with green dots.... Imagine my suprise when I jump into a system and see green dots? and 10 seconds later they all drop out of game and local... Farmers......
Next incident.. I was running around in red alliance space ganking one here and there... and I ran into one of my most favored farmer groups, flying under the banner of red alliance. This farmer group is run by a character I will not mention here on the forums, but he used to live in/around tash-murkon prime with his band of merry covetors.
When they logged they were in apocs/itty V's (as one would expect) for the 30 or so seconds before disappearing.
Again, logged out within 10 seconds of entering local. So, there is most likely still farmers in bob, and the incident with the last ones up in the new regions was only about 3 weeks ago.
The group I saw in delve was about 2, maybe 3 months ago. Of course BOB will deny it, and I am sure red alliance will too.
What I wonder, to play devil's advocate - if they are aware that they are farmers? BOB had to know, red alliance probably doesn't - they take anyone in....
Just my experiences with this :)
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Izzy Pol
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov In terms of EULA-violation, there's no difference if the violation occurs in 0.0 or in Empire, and such characters should be petitioned in the same way anyone in empire (macro-miners etc.) should be. As to what CCP is doing, it hasn't been their policy to announce it every time they do close accounts, but every now and then reports are posted by our GMs or developers, often as a newsitem or similar.
Perhaps it's time for another announcement to restore a little faith.
These boards have been rife with people talking about farmers in Loes in particular. The petition button is worn out yet they still labour on 23/7. I personally have lost faith in the fight against these people and it makes me sad.
Try a name and shame in CAOD and it just gets locked saying "submit a petition"....so we can ignore it.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out
They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm
Wow, dunno what to say about that really 
I have seen farmer's all over eve in pretty much every alliance so it's not like it's a new thing. there's one alliance which is probably the most famous for farming in the game but i doubt they will get a mention in your crusade of righteousnous.
Who? I hunt them for fun, but since I don't live in stain anymore I cannot come over to delve to kill yours. TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
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Felinuszzz
Caldari Sad Panda Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:12:00 -
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This needs to be adressed.
Distney Corss Amsasu Cross Blaste Corss Fraste Corss Gating Corss
Check out those characters in game. All created within 10 minutes of each other. They all fly cookie cutter PVE Dominix setups, and Log/SS+cloak as soon as a hostile enters local. Speaking with them in Local, they told us that they are Chinese. I thought China had its own Eve server?
They all used to farm in Mermaid, LITERALLY 23/7, under the banner of Xelass Alliance (L7-APB, ZUE-, ZTS, etc.).
One time, we tried to engage them en masse, BoB showed up and assisted them.
Recently, I saw a few of them in Delve, they're in Aftermath Alliance now.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Felinuszzz Why do Alliances allow farmers in?
I was told this in confidence, but the reason is usually for isk/materials.
The scheme I was told about was simply pay 2 billion isk a month for the use of a constellation, payable to the executor corp of the alliance that allowed this. This was in the case of farmers that run plexes or belts.
In the case of mining, the deal was for a percentage of minerals + isk. We all know that space is rented, and they are usually bound to the same terms as say, D-L for renting that dead-end system with an outpost from BOB.
That particular system had literally no rocks in it because it gets mined dry, probably to pay their rent. Farmers simply rent the space, and since it is making them isk and helping them fund wars.... and it's for space they probably don't use anyhow, why not make money on it?
Problem is that renting space should probably be legal, but their should be an in-game method of managing it.
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
The group I saw in delve was about 2, maybe 3 months ago. Of course BOB will deny it, and I am sure red alliance will too.
What I wonder, to play devil's advocate - if they are aware that they are farmers? BOB had to know, red alliance probably doesn't - they take anyone in....
Just my experiences with this :)
just a quick note, you are allowed to farm as long as there's a real person behind the controls. So CCP will do nothing against a group of 10 miners as long as they don't use macros and there's somebody behind the controls. So 1 person can control those 10 accounts and just log them all off the second somebody enters local. IMHO this is not ok, but on the other hand, where do you draw the line (how many people are running 2 accounts at the same time for missions/mining etc)
Furthermore, every alliance i've seen has farmers. Some alliances are actively trying to stop them, and some aren't. I just find it strange people start yelling about farmers in BoB while there are a dozen times more of these guys in e.g. RA even before BoB was born.
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Esurnir
Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:30:00 -
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Petition under I assume EULA & TOS (made that once for a spammer and it seems to be the right mailbox).
Do that -right now-.
The problem with those filthy farmers is that with those people not able to get their isk themselves... They can refund their account cost in a couple of transactions :? . ----
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Felinuszzz This needs to be adressed.
Distney Corss Amsasu Cross Blaste Corss Fraste Corss Gating Corss
Check out those characters in game. All created within 10 minutes of each other. They all fly cookie cutter PVE Dominix setups, and Log/SS+cloak as soon as a hostile enters local. Speaking with them in Local, they told us that they are Chinese. I thought China had its own Eve server?
They all used to farm in Mermaid, LITERALLY 23/7, under the banner of Xelass Alliance (L7-APB, ZUE-, ZTS, etc.).
One time, we tried to engage them en masse, BoB showed up and assisted them.
Recently, I saw a few of them in Delve, they're in Aftermath Alliance now.
Why do Alliances allow farmers in?
not sure, but this could still be a dorm of 8-in-a-room, flying around with ships "worth" 6 months salary. and we all know how well a pve fitting holds up against a pvp specialist... fishy? maybe and even if cloaks were to change and show up on scanner/probes, they will just move around SSs for 15 minutes. anyway, disturbing them already does damage - just keep going ^^
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:07:00 -
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Farming.... what is farming?
Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time?
Well, all the above is allowed. And logging out at the first sign of danger is allowed also. If a known pvp person jumps into the system, why not log out then if you are in mining ships? Sure, it is bad game style, but not at all forbidden! If suddenly 10th of people appear in local to kill your expensive ships, why not log out? Bad style, but so what?
Yes, yes. It is always easy to point at the other side and yell. But are you sure that it is illegal what those people are doing, for example because they use some macros?
If they just play 18 hours per day and do the same stuff all over again, so what? Are you mad at them because they don't do pvp but mine/rat/mission?
As long as they use legal ways only no one has the slightest right to complain about those people. And don't tell me that them logging off as soon as enemy people appear in local is a proof for being/using a macro.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 06/03/2007 16:10:29 I am a 0.0 isk farmer. I farm isk and complexes and go buy stuff. Its fun.
I think what the OP means is that there are some 0.0 areas with Macrominers? If so then those macrominers will be handled in the same way as other macrominers in the game by CCP. However macromining in 0.0 is a tad stupid. Macromining is unattended use of a program to mine. The reality is that you could make far more with far less risk in empire. In 0.0 people will just come across them and blow them up. Miners in 0.0 must be far more aware of what is going on around them. You are probably confusing them because many people in 00 have multiple accounts and may be mining wiht one account and running protection or pvp with another account concurrently and there is nothing illegal in that.
As for being "blue", that is up to the individual alliance. I know that Agony Empire solves this problem by not having ANYONE set to blue. 
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Farming.... what is farming?
Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time?
How about the characters that rat 23/7, every day for weeks on end, and log anytime someone enters local? They are either a) account sharing or b) using macros. There is no other explanation. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.06 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Farming.... what is farming?
Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time?
Well, all the above is allowed. And logging out at the first sign of danger is allowed also. If a known pvp person jumps into the system, why not log out then if you are in mining ships? Sure, it is bad game style, but not at all forbidden! If suddenly 10th of people appear in local to kill your expensive ships, why not log out? Bad style, but so what?
Yes, yes. It is always easy to point at the other side and yell. But are you sure that it is illegal what those people are doing, for example because they use some macros?
If they just play 18 hours per day and do the same stuff all over again, so what? Are you mad at them because they don't do pvp but mine/rat/mission?
As long as they use legal ways only no one has the slightest right to complain about those people. And don't tell me that them logging off as soon as enemy people appear in local is a proof for being/using a macro.
I am pretty sure that the 'farming' in question here is with the intent to sell the ISK for real money. Farming for the purpose of funding in-game activitys is one thing, farming to sell that ISK to other players for RL money is another. -=^=-
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard
I am pretty sure that the 'farming' in question here is with the intent to sell the ISK for real money. Farming for the purpose of funding in-game activitys is one thing, farming to sell that ISK to other players for RL money is another.
When I talk about farmers, this is exactly what I mean - selling the isk for cash.
You all know that when people STOP buying isk and items on ebay that the farmers will disappear?
They are just supplying all the morons that need those faction MWDs for their nanophoons and nanodomis. Buy them for *ISK* not CASH....
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2007 17:15:13 This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system. All get a load of ice and go back to base. Those are not a valid player names and created by bashing ones head into the keyboard. Aprox. daily profit 1.5b isk, to put that in perspective thats 2 titans a year.
please CCP do something about it.
BTW, im taking donations to the bombgeddon fund, please donate Large smartbombs and armageddons to me or just send isk. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |

Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Kate Nexus
Originally by: hotgirl933 well i wont take this any further. Tho i shall be interested to see how things pan out
They probably won't if you're aiming for the "mystery people" who make the deals with farmer. Whistles get banned so it all stays under the carpet, if you get my driftm
Wow, dunno what to say about that really 
I have seen farmer's all over eve in pretty much every alliance so it's not like it's a new thing. there's one alliance which is probably the most famous for farming in the game but i doubt they will get a mention in your crusade of righteousnous.
Then there's the alliances whose involvement is less well-known in these matters, but complicit all the same.
I'm glad and proud that I'm not in one of those alliances. We've actually been known to shoot macro-hunters that are blue to us. 
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas
BTW, im taking donations to the bombgeddon fund, please donate Large smartbombs and armageddons to me or just send isk.
What in the world do you plan to do with a smartbombing armageddon ? Lose it? There are easier ways to collect insurance.
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:24:00 -
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It's been known for what, 2 years? That some 0.0 complexes are farmed nonstop for such activities. Eve is more than a game to some people, it's a livelihood.
Selling ISK is entirely legal through GTCs.
I don't see why anyone even bothers trying to stop them anymore.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ling Xiao It's been known for what, 2 years? That some 0.0 complexes are farmed nonstop for such activities. Eve is more than a game to some people, it's a livelihood.
Selling ISK is entirely legal through GTCs.
I don't see why anyone even bothers trying to stop them anymore.
Farming isnt illegal. Only using third party programs to accomplish that farming is illegal. People take space and then they farm it. That is the way it goes. There are may ways to get "cut in" if you choose.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ling Xiao It's been known for what, 2 years? That some 0.0 complexes are farmed nonstop for such activities. Eve is more than a game to some people, it's a livelihood.
Selling ISK is entirely legal through GTCs.
I don't see why anyone even bothers trying to stop them anymore.
They *CAN* be stopped if people STOP buying isk and items off ebay. If nobody bought it, they would go back to farming WOW or some other game with idiots that buy items. TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Felinuszzz This needs to be adressed.
Distney Corss Amsasu Cross Blaste Corss Fraste Corss Gating Corss
Check out those characters in game. All created within 10 minutes of each other. They all fly cookie cutter PVE Dominix setups, and Log/SS+cloak as soon as a hostile enters local. Speaking with them in Local, they told us that they are Chinese. I thought China had its own Eve server?
They all used to farm in Mermaid, LITERALLY 23/7, under the banner of Xelass Alliance (L7-APB, ZUE-, ZTS, etc.).
One time, we tried to engage them en masse, BoB showed up and assisted them.
Recently, I saw a few of them in Delve, they're in Aftermath Alliance now.
Why do Alliances allow farmers in?
Of the official policy of Aftermath is a 0 tolerance with Isk Farmers. Having said that... I check our killboards on the characters you listed and some have no kills/losses but others Hajimu Corss has 15 kills and 2 losses. So this doesn't ring true on isk farming to me. Technically we all isk farm when we rat... Any member (Especially of SOD) that doesn't PVP when needed will be kicked.
If someone has specific pilots in Aftermath that you think are ISK farming please mail me in game their names and location(s) and I will check it out.
And just because someone has 6 accounts doesn't mean he is necessarily an isk farmer though I though I had too many accounts 
Also just for the record if you don't speak english also doesn't mean your necessarily an isk farmer either.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas
This is farming
HOLY CRAP! When was this? today? (2007/3/6?) If today, What time GMT?
That is what I call a FARMING OP ... WOW..
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:33:00 -
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Sec status is 0.9 and that is a Macromining op. You should have sent that pic to CCP.
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aelena Thraant on 06/03/2007 17:30:40
Originally by: Lithalnas Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2007 17:15:13 This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system. All get a load of ice and go back to base. Those are not a valid player names and created by bashing ones head into the keyboard. Aprox. daily profit 1.5b isk, to put that in perspective thats 2 titans a year.
please CCP do something about it.
BTW, im taking donations to the bombgeddon fund, please donate Large smartbombs and armageddons to me or just send isk.
OMG All i can say is wow... That's a lot of Macks... Anyone know how many suicide kestrels it would take to kill one mack in a 0.8?
And I hope you petitioned this... Because that is something CCP should be able to easily watch and see if they are macroing and ban their accounts.... Also wonder if they are coming from the same IP address....
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.06 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 06/03/2007 17:32:05 For the people talking about players buying ISK with RL money:
Afaik, you can buy all the GTCs you want, go to the sell forums and sell them for ISK. Perfectlly legal. In fact, a little visit to eve-search would reveal that often, the GTC sell threads ammount is bigger than the general discussion itself.
Don't get me wrong, I'm also against buying ISKs with RL money. But killing macro won't stop players from buying ISK with RL money. Especially when it's perfectly legal in this game to do so (using the authorized channels).
What I'm worried about is that in the macro-farmer-witch-hunt some real players could get pop.
To the OP:
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 06/03/2007 18:00:42
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
What I'm worried about is that in the macro-farmer-witch-hunt some real players could get pop.
This allready happens, iv'e seen the hate directed at members of my other characters corp.
It's totally unfair and very predictable, why i was getting utterly annoyed last year seeing forum moderators giving direction to players to engage in the practice.
Totally irresponable because inocent people allways suffer in the process.... ofc this is eve so someone will allways say, shut the hell up, we do as we wish, there's hardly a confine... but anybody that represents ccp in any offical manner should not be dirrecting players to harrass others in the pretence of upholding the eula.
As for gtc's, don't get me started... it's a running joke of ignorance and shame, and normaly the reason why i don't respond to any of these isk sell/buyers/farmers threads... as most of the people i see complaining about the issue
Legaly engage in it themselfs in some manner under the banner of gtc's as you point out.. ignorance comes about from people that exploit the situation, the shame is square at the door of crowd control productions. ______
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lord XSiV on 06/03/2007 18:03:35 Yawn.
Who are you going to complain about next? People who play more than 20 mins a day?
Honestly, go out and shoot them in 0.0, there are no rules against it. Failure to do that, then you just have no skills, so figure that problem out first.
Not condning, just tired of people whining about everything, their dog, pet goldfish and people who can't speak their language. Then again the op does ride the 'short bus' to school and has to wear a special helmet most of the day.....
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Calgorac
Amarr The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:09:00 -
[44]
hmm, you people....
Farming IS NOT a violation of the eula in and of itself...
using a macro to farm... or selling the income from farming for Cash... is a violation.
I own 5 accounts. 2 pvp characters and 3 industry specialized characters. all 5 can fly covetors, and transports.
I havent done so in awhile but, at one point I was mining 3-4 hours a day 2-3 days a week in 0.0 and making a rather nutty amount of isk doing so. I have a duel core processer and duel monitor computer playing eve in windowed mode...
its very very easy to mine with multiple accounts without breaking the eula at all..
and yeh, when im mining... if I see bad guys enter local I exit belt and log as soon as my characters enter warp... bad form? probably.. but, if you dont want that responce.. .dont attack defenceless high value targets like miners... go attack other pvp'rs I hear the south and west of eve is a good place to go now :)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:09:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 06/03/2007 18:00:42
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
What I'm worried about is that in the macro-farmer-witch-hunt some real players could get pop.
This allready happens, iv'e seen the hate directed at members of my other characters corp.
It's totally unfair and very predictable, why i was getting utterly annoyed last year seeing forum moderators giving direction to players to engage in the practice.
Totally irresponable because inocent people allways suffer in the process.... ofc this is eve so someone will allways say, shut the hell up, we do as we wish, there's hardly a confine... but anybody that represents ccp in any offical manner should not be dirrecting players to harrass others in the pretence of upholding the eula.
As for gtc's, don't get me started... it's a running joke of ignorance and shame, and normaly the reason why i don't respond to any of these isk sell/buyers/farmers threads... as most of the people i see complaining about the issue
Legaly engage in it themselfs in some manner under the banner of gtc's as you point out.. ignorance comes about from people that exploit the situation, the shame is square at the door of crowd control productions.
It does have to be said, blowing up a player in 0.0 who isn't in your good books can hardly be considered a disaster. Regardless of whether you thought they were macroing or not, the result is still the same. Most alliances run NBSI in their own space, so if you're not friendly you get popped. And the biggest tell tale sign of an "isk famrer" is someone who does nothing but fills their wallet all day- the kind of person who'll get booted from most alliances regardless. --------
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:27:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lithalnas This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system. All get a load of ice and go back to base. Those are not a valid player names and created by bashing ones head into the keyboard. Aprox. daily profit 1.5b isk
Looks impressive at the first glance and everyone will yell 'macros! farmers! evil!'.
But let's see... you say the daily profit is 1.5b isk and they are around 80 people. That is, if I am not mistaken, less than 19m isk per day per person. I get more isk running two med l4 mission or one good l4 mission. Not that impressive, really.
And CCP you say? Yes...they already did something. There was a note several months (!) ago that the ice in empire (or was it high sec only?) doesn't regrowth and will be mined out after a while.
My advise: if you stumble across something like that and if you are sure that this is not an corp/alliance mining op but a macro op, then write a petition at once or even mail ccp about it so that they can take actions at once.
And if macros are in a non npc corp I think you can inform Privateers, they would gladly wardec such a corp and blow up 80 Machs(?)/Macs I think 
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:29:00 -
[47]
I was talking about guys that just log a few hours a day to mine in highsec space, that have subjected to, been a victim of the above.
0.0, you can do what you like, we/iv'e no interests there.
Isk farming happening in 0.0 under the allegeded management of said alliances, affraid to say it, but you will never get the truth of the matter.... if there were any truths in it, ccp arn't about to blow the game anytime soon... Banning protential culprits costing them intial subscription fee's and a complete loss of credibility in the process.... surely costing them in the long term.
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RubenX
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:30:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Patch86
It does have to be said, blowing up a player in 0.0 who isn't in your good books can hardly be considered a disaster. Regardless of whether you thought they were macroing or not, the result is still the same. Most alliances run NBSI in their own space, so if you're not friendly you get popped. And the biggest tell tale sign of an "isk famrer" is someone who does nothing but fills their wallet all day- the kind of person who'll get booted from most alliances regardless.
So can we assume that if the farmers are booted out of your alliance, you will be the first one to volunteer for the endless hours of ice mining needed to fuel your POSes?
And you need to remember, that are alts. I can be doing sentry duty, but my mining alt will be mining on the belts. I could do different things, but the alts will allways be on the belts. Cuz I need iskies for the main. But you see the alt, always on the belt and incorrectly assume that if one character lives on the belt, the player is living on the belt too.
I have seen alliances doing these witch-hunts before. Hurting their own members instead of fighting the enemy. The results were not good.
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Bistot Kid
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.06 18:36:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lithalnas This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system.
Oh my goodness! That needs a bit of explaining away doesn't it? 
I'd quite like to mine ice as a bit of ISK on the side in game.
It's a nice leisurely way to while away a few hours occasionally, and there should be a half decent income from it as more and more people put up POSes.
However the ice market is crap due to it being flooded ('scuse the pun) with ice from ops like this.
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Jaggeh
Gallente Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.06 19:31:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Lithalnas This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system. All get a load of ice and go back to base. Those are not a valid player names and created by bashing ones head into the keyboard. Aprox. daily profit 1.5b isk
Looks impressive at the first glance and everyone will yell 'macros! farmers! evil!'.
But let's see... you say the daily profit is 1.5b isk and they are around 80 people. That is, if I am not mistaken, less than 19m isk per day per person. I get more isk running two med l4 mission or one good l4 mission. Not that impressive, really.
And CCP you say? Yes...they already did something. There was a note several months (!) ago that the ice in empire (or was it high sec only?) doesn't regrowth and will be mined out after a while.
My advise: if you stumble across something like that and if you are sure that this is not an corp/alliance mining op but a macro op, then write a petition at once or even mail ccp about it so that they can take actions at once.
And if macros are in a non npc corp I think you can inform Privateers, they would gladly wardec such a corp and blow up 80 Machs(?)/Macs I think 
you have no clue how a farming company works do you?
player 1 controls 10 accounts gets paid barely anything player 2 controls 10 accounts gets paid peanuts player 3 controls and so on and so on.
so you have 8 people, you pay them such a low wage that it doesnt matter, they dont keep the isk for themselves. that 1.9b per day is saved and after 10 days they sell 19b on ebay now it may not seem like much but thats a HELL of a lot of money in a developing country where most isk/gil/gold/plat farmers work from.
I know of one that operates in china and has 100 people (not in eve)
CCP does a lot to curtail farming but it is still there no matter where you go, some operations disperse so its harder to catch them, some are blatant like the screenshot.
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Terranid Meester
Knights Hospitalier
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Posted - 2007.03.06 21:23:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Terranid Meester on 06/03/2007 21:19:52 There are several things (some of which I think should have happened in the begining) which could have an effect on isk farmers and macro users in EVE.
1. Limit accounts to one character per account or limit on account per person.
2. Remove complexes.
3. Make asteroid belts non static or remove them completely from high sec (likely to be more effective).
4. Actively name people who you know has bought isk from a site and gang-up on corporations/people and alliances who are known to hide isk farmers/macro usage and who buy isk.
5. If there are accounts/characters of players in China who are on Tranquility for more than three hours a day then they are breaking Chinese law and that effects Serenity and means that CCP are unable to police their own creation. Since account sharing is not allowe dit must be assumed that those characters/accounts are in use by a single person. Those accounts and characters should be dealt with.
If these decisions were made now then you can imagine the sort of replies and outcry that would happen. Personally I am in favour of such things but many (many) people would probably not be.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.06 21:49:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jaggeh ... that 1.9b per day is saved and after 10 days they sell 19b on ebay now it may not seem like much...
It is not much at all. 19 bil in 10 days with 80 people? That was the example with the screeshot of the high sec icemining we are talking about.
It is not impossible to make 100 mil a day with L4 mission in high sec. It is possible to get 150 mil a day ratting in 0.0. Both would lead to numbers between 80b and 120b after 10 days. Now compare this whith that lousy 19bil from ice mining...
What I am saying is that if you have a large group of dedicated people (the reason for their dedication is not of importance) then they can make huge amounts of isk. Is that illegal in Eve? No, not at all. Should that be illegal? No, why should it?
ISK selling for RL money, THAT is illegal and must not happen. Using macros is illegal and should result in a ban. But playing Eve perfectly within the rules to make lots of isk, is that what you want to ban?
People who play 17 hours/day will always have an advantage in the game. Though I guess their RL would suffer a lot.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:07:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Originally by: Gnulpie Farming.... what is farming?
Mining the hell out of a system, ratting like a madman, making tons of money? Is that what farming is? Are people mad at those 'farmers' because they make billions of isk in a short time?
How about the characters that rat 23/7, every day for weeks on end, and log anytime someone enters local? They are either a) account sharing or b) using macros. There is no other explanation.
To play devil advocate: how you know if he is active 23/7? Unless you are too.
All you can testify is that when you have controlled it he was on line for a lot of time. And even if you have them in the buddy list I am not so sure you will always notice when they log off/log in, so you assume they are always in .
There is people that live on anfetamines for multiple days and then crashes for a 1-2. Illegal in RL, but not an EULA violation
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:18:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Venkul Mul To play devil advocate: how you know if he is active 23/7? Unless you are too.
All you can testify is that when you have controlled it he was on line for a lot of time. And even if you have them in the buddy list I am not so sure you will always notice when they log off/log in, so you assume they are always in .
There is people that live on anfetamines for multiple days and then crashes for a 1-2. Illegal in RL, but not an EULA violation
Everyone in our corp at the time had the person on buddy list. The only time he signed out was when someone came into the system he was in, and we timed it and it was always exactly the same amount of time from when someone entered the system to when he logged. We'd get on after DT, he'd be on. Into the wee hours before DT, he's on. We finally harassed him to the point he packed up and left, but I know he's still active somewhere. Before he finally did leave, he cussed us out in Chinese in local, that was kind of amusing.  Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:26:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Shameless Avenger I see one problem here. It's with the "they are farming ISK in our system" comments. Cuz, if they are part of the alliance, I guess they have a right to farm too. I mean, what's the point of fighting for the space if you can not farm it?
That's like when I was in <destroyed-alliance-name-here>. After loosing 500M in ships on the defense of the manufacturing base, we were told we could not mine the belts on the system cuz they didn't wanted 'farmers'. Me and many of my buddies left right there and watched the whole alliance fell.
We were not using macros or anything, we were just mining heavily to cope with the loses, to pay the frikking alliance fees and to prepare ourselves for future wars.
They are discussing characters that are logged in LITERALLY 23/7(would be 24/7 if not for downtime). These are true "farmers". Usually one person, somewhere, will be controlling multiple accounts. They mine their butts off, being paid real world money to do it, and the company they work for then sells the isk for real world money.
This isn't right on so many levels...but the major taboo that all this implies is...breaking the EULA. If you broke it, were petitioned and investigated and found guilty, you would be banned. ------------------------------- The opinions reflected in this post DO reflect the opinions of my corp...of one guy and a bunch of alts. |

Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:31:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Lithalnas Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2007 17:15:13 This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system. All get a load of ice and go back to base. Those are not a valid player names and created by bashing ones head into the keyboard. Aprox. daily profit 1.5b isk, to put that in perspective thats 2 titans a year.
please CCP do something about it.
BTW, im taking donations to the bombgeddon fund, please donate Large smartbombs and armageddons to me or just send isk.
Yes, with a similar proof (at least of sweatshopping to the nth deegree, macroing is always hard to prove), I will donate some large smartbomb (no surplus armageddon, sorry).
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:41:00 -
[57]
Once in a blue moon (I think it was blue last night) I let a little bit of niceness to be expressed through my online gaming persona....
Has anyone looked at the humanity aspects in regards to these business ventures in what people have labelled poorer nations? Immediately people will jump out and say their working conditions in these so called 'sweatshops' are deplorable, etc, etc, however I believe this is completely false. If these people weren't in this industry, what else would they be doing? Would the working conditions in those occupations be any better or worse?
That answer is actually easy. Because these people are chosing this occupation on their own free will (it isn't like the Government is forcing them) then obviously it isn't horrible as people are trying to make it out to be. Sure, in accordance to our standards it is 'sweetshop earning' but the reality is, that mouse your paid 10 dollars for (cheap people) was produced for about 25 cents in China.
I don't see the outcry for poor working conditions when you get that t-shirt for 1/3 it would cost if it was made in your more 'advanced society'. One could say it is hypocritical.
Now also take this into account. If you yourself had the option to either play a video game for a living or stitch t-shirts all day, what would you choose? What it comes right down to is what a person chooses to do from the options available to them. I know for one thing that as a kid if I could get paid to play video games, I would have jumped at that opportunity.
On the humanity aspect, we as gamers might actually be helping these people out by providing them an occupation that is far less hazardous than traditional labor based occupations. The reality of the situation is that there is no stopping the demand for such services and they will only continue to grow as time passes. People in western civilization have far more disposable income and do not like anyone (Government, etc) telling them what to do with it so the gaming industry is somewhat trying to backlash against capitalist values by using artificial controls. As with anything else, those types of controls get worn down over time as the cost to maintain doesn't make business sense. Anyhow back to the point - the issue isn't a gaming one, it is caused by the economic disparity of multiple marketplaces existing in the same medium. Layman's terms, cheaper labor rates in countries that exist in the same market due to the Internet.
Anyhow, I am not supporting or disapproving, nor care as to whether it is right, wrong or indifferent about the industry. In fact I know for the most part, Eve players are generally clueless (with the exception of the elite, i.e. bob and company!) and somehow believe that the EULA is a religious doctrine of sorts. In 5 to 10 years legislation will be in place protecting people's time invested into online games as intellectual assets and gaming companies will be forced to deal with it at that point. Countires (including China) have already done so. Sorry, it just is going to happen and the reason being is very simple:
Governments will then be able to tax virtual items.
In talking terms of 'faucets' (i.e. isk, money, time) disposable income itself is traditionally taxed at these 'faucets' (i.e. entertainment, alcohol, etc) and in the current state, virtual items are a way around the traditional methods.
Not a slight on CCP for being bad or not being prepared quite the contrary; many online based businesses are having trouble coming to grips with this and I am assuming that since CCP is a bright bunch that they will bring in the proper professional experts to get guidance and advice. Yes it is their game and they have all the rights to it, but unless they want to go completely open source and not charge a subscription there still is a value to a players time of which 'real legislation' will come into play.
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Gift
Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:53:00 -
[58]
Old news, who cares.
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Big Al
Ki Shoda
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Posted - 2007.03.07 00:21:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Rells
What in the world do you plan to do with a smartbombing armageddon ? Lose it? There are easier ways to collect insurance.
Something like this I would imagine.
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Bleys Vontagen
Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.07 01:34:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Jaggeh ... that 1.9b per day is saved and after 10 days they sell 19b on ebay now it may not seem like much...
It is not much at all. 19 bil in 10 days with 80 people? That was the example with the screeshot of the high sec icemining we are talking about.
You're missing the economics. It's not 80 people. It's a small handful, as little as 4 or 5 using ganged computers. Those individuals will make, if Chinese, about $75US per month. The rule of thumb is 100M ISK = $10US. So, you've got someone making close to $200US/day paying his four or five employee's about $12US-$15US day.
Otherwise, the rest of your post was right.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.07 02:40:00 -
[61]
That picture is from the 4th,(5th eve time it was like 3 in the morning in eve). Yes i petitioned them, its already closed and i know anything i say will get *snip'd* as fast as i post it.
take a stand against macroes, kill them, hate mail in Chinese/spanish/russian then translated by bablefish is funny. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |

Merces Mercedis
Minmatar Lunitic Fringe
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Posted - 2007.03.07 03:13:00 -
[62]
What needs to happen is for CCP To go to sites like EBay and have them pull all EVE related items. Have any of you been to EBay and looked what all is sold there? You should it will open your eyes to just how much of this really goes on. BTW alot of the ISK sold on places like EBay are made on other ways then just macro mining. Have you tried to do a 10/01 complex in the last year and a half? No I bet you have not as it seems only a hand full of corps/alliances seem to have a total lock on them and with the insain amount of ISK made in those complexs that a good portion ends up sold.
In my eyes players playing the game just to make money and not for fun is a major problem. Those are the people that take this game to extreems. Ever wonder why some people go so crazy when you mess with there mining area or complex? Well if you were making a living doing that you would act like they do too. Remember to some players out there this is much more than a game and that is not how it should be.
This is a game not a job. Why can't CCP clean this problem up?
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:04:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Merces Mercedis Edited by: Merces Mercedis on 07/03/2007 03:14:27 What needs to happen is for CCP To go to sites like EBay and have them pull all EVE related items. Have any of you been to EBay and looked what all is sold there? You should it will open your eyes to just how much of this really goes on. BTW alot of the ISK sold on places like EBay are made in other ways then just macro mining. Have you tried to do a 10/10 complex in the last year and a half? No I bet you have not as it seems only a hand full of corps/alliances seem to have a total lock on them and with the insain amount of ISK made in those complexs it is a good bet a good portion ends up sold.
In my eyes players playing the game just to make money and not for fun is a major problem. Those are the people that take this game to extreems. Ever wonder why some people go so crazy when you mess with there mining area or complex? Well if you were making a living doing that you would act like they do too. Remember to some players out there this is much more than a game and that is not how it should be.
This is a game not a job. Why can't CCP clean this problem up?
Your idea would work if CCP had the authority to do so. But they don't. Ebay did pull virtual items for many games due to the problems they had, but it will most likely come back as more mmo type games opt for a sanctioned RMT system for which they can control. Plus think about it from a business perspective. Ebay probably made quite a bit off of those sales, so unless CCP was willing to compensate Ebay for that loss of revenue, what would be in Ebay's interest to discontinue the practice? Or anyone else for that matter.
Just remember that people have different interpretations. In the Eve world selling isk = bad, but in the real world, the same amount of people holding the same belief is a very small miniscule percentage so it falls into the 'who cares' bucket. As well many people after having it explained to them would be of the opinion that isk selling isn't bad but rather the company trying to say it is bad is actually the real culprit for being <insert: anti-capitalist, above the law, communist, etc> in nature.
Anyhow, as I said earlier, the Governments will be stepping in for their piece of the action. In a large number fo years, most of us are going to be living and working in a virtual world anyhow.
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Jaggeh
Gallente Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.07 17:21:00 -
[64]
Quote:
Durzy noted that this is not in fact new policy, but is merely more consistent execution of existing eBay policy. In-game items and currency are considered to be the intellectual property of the game's copyright owner, not of the player whose in-game avatar has acquired the items. According to eBay's regulations, "The seller must be the owner of the underlying intellectual property, or authorized to distribute it by the intellectual property owner." The great majority of MMOs do not authorize such activity, so eBay has decided to take a blanket approach and ban RMTs altogether. The action is "for the overall health of the marketplace," said Durzy.
from shacknews.
All ccp have to do is send ebay a legal letter and ny auctions relating to Eve will get delisted. it wont stop other sites though. --------------------------------------- Furious Angels are recruiting Carpe Pugya Pyga - Seize the Buttocks
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:05:00 -
[65]
Kill all farmers!! Give them no quarter.. treat them as the garbage they are.
To the bleeding harts that want to argue that they are just ppl doing a job. Who cares.. they don't care that they are ruining the game for us.. they show us no respect in moving along when real players come by.. Therefore I show them no respect and hinder them at all oppertunities.. Does this mean little "fnrew002" dosen't get his daily rice allotment.. probably.. do I care? Hell no.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:15:00 -
[66]
CVA launched a campaign against macroing NPC farmers in our space some months ago...
There was an entire corp of them which had somehow gained access to a friendly alliance.
We had them kicked out and then persecuted them mercilessly.
I believe the evil terrorists in Ushra'khan (well Mangold anyway) spend a lot of time hunting the macroers.
As a result Providence is relatively farmer free...
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Draaki
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Posted - 2007.03.07 18:36:00 -
[67]
Its hard to see how isk farmers can be so annoying to players when you can buy GTC's for real money and sell them in game for isk, there is even a secure place on the official site to do this, so much for risk and reward.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:16:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Loyal Servant on 07/03/2007 19:13:09
Originally by: Hardin CVA launched a campaign against macroing NPC farmers in our space some months ago...
There was an entire corp of them which had somehow gained access to a friendly alliance.
We had them kicked out and then persecuted them mercilessly.
I believe the evil terrorists in Ushra'khan (well Mangold anyway) spend a lot of time hunting the macroers.
As a result Providence is relatively farmer free...
Providence might be CVA free, if I had my way    
Oh yeah, see you at the inflatable house
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GetergdeKaasboer
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:12:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Lithalnas Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2007 17:15:13 This is farming What you are looking at is 80 Machs mining ice in a 0.9 system. All get a load of ice and go back to base. Those are not a valid player names and created by bashing ones head into the keyboard. Aprox. daily profit 1.5b isk, to put that in perspective thats 2 titans a year.
please CCP do something about it.
BTW, im taking donations to the bombgeddon fund, please donate Large smartbombs and armageddons to me or just send isk.
check out gicodel also - sigh - thinking of bombageddoning myself just to lower the allocated node loading so i can do lvl 4 missions
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:25:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Aelena Thraant
Originally by: Felinuszzz This needs to be adressed.
Distney Corss Amsasu Cross Blaste Corss Fraste Corss Gating Corss
Check out those characters in game. All created within 10 minutes of each other. They all fly cookie cutter PVE Dominix setups, and Log/SS+cloak as soon as a hostile enters local. Speaking with them in Local, they told us that they are Chinese. I thought China had its own Eve server?
They all used to farm in Mermaid, LITERALLY 23/7, under the banner of Xelass Alliance (L7-APB, ZUE-, ZTS, etc.).
One time, we tried to engage them en masse, BoB showed up and assisted them.
Recently, I saw a few of them in Delve, they're in Aftermath Alliance now.
Why do Alliances allow farmers in?
Of the official policy of Aftermath is a 0 tolerance with Isk Farmers. Having said that... I check our killboards on the characters you listed and some have no kills/losses but others Hajimu Corss has 15 kills and 2 losses. So this doesn't ring true on isk farming to me. Technically we all isk farm when we rat... Any member (Especially of SOD) that doesn't PVP when needed will be kicked.
If someone has specific pilots in Aftermath that you think are ISK farming please mail me in game their names and location(s) and I will check it out.
And just because someone has 6 accounts doesn't mean he is necessarily an isk farmer though I though I had too many accounts 
Also just for the record if you don't speak english also doesn't mean your necessarily an isk farmer either.
Dark Nebula Rising gallente devision - DNGB start with this mob plenty of known macro ratters on about their third alliance as 2 others kicked em for much the same thing
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