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Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:02:06 You cannot own on ewith having sovern on the space which is a too much for small corps or if your rich (and am not) to own one. So then is it just for alliance ppl to own? Also the hanger that holds them you cannot lock access so every director can get at it It just seems really unfair to ppl thst might want to work towards one, and I think it woul dmake the game better of ppl could get at them, not just allainces. I could be wrong on the above information but i don't think I am Please no trolls or flames!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/03/2007 16:04:29 If a corp has the resources to build a titan, then they have the resources to convert themselves into a one corp alliance and claim sovereignty somewhere. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:02:06 You cannot own on ewith having sovern on the space which is a too much for small corps or if your rich (and am not) to own one. where the hell did you get this idea from? All you need is a capital construction array and a few hundred billion ISK-worth of blueprints, minerals and components, surely? ***
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:11:00 - [4] Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:14:00 - [5] Have you done research as to how hard those things are to make? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:15:00 - [6] well epeen or not the fact is if a person has the isk to get one thats not to say they have the resoruces to have god knows how many pos it takes to make sovern and i got my info from the blue ppl in help chat (light blue) Also it would be nice to have a titan to work for and with small support from other ppl in a smallish corp it would be a great dynamic that Should be allowed to ppl fair enough not many (if any) would have them, but why not let the players have a choice this was suppossed to be a PLAYER run game, seems to be more and more how CCP want the game to be played. Not to be rude as I will never have the isk to fly one but if i did why should i have to be part of a alliance to have it, is that all eve is now allaince warfare?
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:16:00 - [7] Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. Atm they are very good solo pwnmobiles, see no reason why rich individuals shouldnt use em. Maybe if too many titans show up CCP will fix them.
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar V.I.T.R.I.O.L.	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:30:00 - [8] Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. A very dynamic corp could use a titan as a payable jump gate and make tons of isk.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:36:00 - [9] tbh - this question is like asking "why are people allowed to use guns, but only nation-states are 'allowed' to use atombombs?" ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Badhands Gallente The Huns Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:37:00 - [10] Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:41:23 Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket. no sorry thats simply not true The isk to buy (not build) a titan is huge and only the very rich could get it, but that is so different from have a) the people to have all these pos fed with fuel b) the abilty to defend sovern space. This is very diferent from a smaller corp or few corps with a lot of isk buying a titan then having all the people needed to runa sovern empire All am saying is why is the CHOICE taken away? Would it hurt to have a choice? I mean really how many would own a titian even if they could, but that is not the sameas not having a choice.
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. A very dynamic corp could use a titan as a payable jump gate and make tons of isk. That's a nice idea indeed, but would it really work? Wouldn't you sooner or later end up renting the "jump gate" to the wrong people and get the titan killed?
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:46:00 - [13] if i remember well, the choice was made to annoy you ok im not contributing but i dont see the big deal there. there is like 10 of those titans on all eve world, why so much words ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:46:00 - [14] It bugs me too, I have the resources to build a Titan, but to do so I would have to have a POS, claim sov and then defend it for the months that building a Titan would take. But that just does not interest me. Even if I did, I would pretty much be dooming myself to always being in the thing cause of course you cant dock it. So, instead of building a Titan, I am going spend my billions on thousands of war decs.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:44:39 Even if I did, I would pretty much be dooming myself to always being in the thing cause of course you cant dock it. Well you can dock it - in a capital ship array (?) - that all directors have access to (cannot lock it) and can only be deployed in sovern space.
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:41:23 Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket. no sorry thats simply not true The isk to buy (not build) a titan is huge and only the very rich could get it, but that is so different from have a) the people to have all these pos fed with fuel b) the abilty to defend sovern space. This is very diferent from a smaller corp or few corps with a lot of isk buying a titan then having all the people needed to runa sovern empire All am saying is why is the CHOICE taken away? Would it hurt to have a choice? I mean really how many would own a titian even if they could, but that is not the sameas not having a choice. Seems you really want a small corp to build a titan then. You don't need to keep sovereignty forever, just for the duration of the titan's construction. If even that sounds too much work/investment for you, just wait until large industrial alliances start selling them to public, it's bound to happen sooner or later since it's already done with motherships.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:50:00 - [17] Seems you really want a small corp to build a titan then. You don't need to keep sovereignty forever, just for the duration of the titan's construction. If even that sounds too much work/investment for you, just wait until large industrial alliances start selling them to public, it's bound to happen sooner or later since it's already done with motherships. Sorry m8 not BUILD but BUY (or build if they want to), but even if a corp did buy it they could not park it as you need sovern to park it in a hanger
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Ja'kar you need sovern to park it in a hanger Damn, why didn't they tell cyvok to park it in teh hanger!!! King Liu is RIGHT!!
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:56:00 - [19] You don't need sov space to build a Titan, only to build one. If you want a Titan but don't want to build it, you can always pay someone to build it for you.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:59:00 - [20] Who says you don't have the choice to fly a Titan? It's just that getting one costs more than just the ISK. You pay for a Titan with ISK, hard work, friendships and a lot of other things. I suppose ISK can't buy everything after all. For now anyway.
ZZandra TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:00:00 - [21] Hey, if you can afford a Titan on your own, then CCP should let you fly it. Please invite me to the christening. Think of death as a learning experience.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:41:23 Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket. no sorry thats simply not true The isk to buy (not build) a titan is huge and only the very rich could get it, but that is so different from have a) the people to have all these pos fed with fuel b) the abilty to defend sovern space. This is very diferent from a smaller corp or few corps with a lot of isk buying a titan then having all the people needed to runa sovern empire All am saying is why is the CHOICE taken away? Would it hurt to have a choice? I mean really how many would own a titian even if they could, but that is not the sameas not having a choice. You do have a choice. You can build the titan yourself. You can buy the titan from another. You can, not, buy or build a titan. To build one you need exactly 1 PoS in 0.0 space. The required skills to form an alliance for Sov' (takes about 1 month). The cap ship array and a frieghter to move it - costs about 2bil for the array. About 10 BPOs at around 1.5 bil each About 25bil in minerals. A hauler to move the minerals (because you can't unload a frieghter in space) Peace and quite for about 6 months whilst you build the components. Research the BPOs. Then finally build the Titan, which only takes a mere 8 weeks in itself. To buy one you need: About 60bil (probably closer to 80) A corp that actually wants to sell one. To not buy or build one you need: To, erm, not buy or build one. But if you do get one then you will probably need about 10bil in mods (might as well buy the best). Another account for Cyno duty (or you can't actually go anywhere). A support fleet for when another alliance decides to kill you. A PoS to refuel and refit at. Some T2 mining lasers so you can do something useful in your "solo pwnmobile".
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte tbh - this question is like asking "why are people allowed to use guns, but only nation-states are 'allowed' to use atombombs?" http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/tehsainte/sig_ish_azuki.png Quoted for Kamineko sig! --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte tbh - this question is like asking "why are people allowed to use guns, but only nation-states are 'allowed' to use atombombs?" FYI, most nation-states are NOT allowed to use atom bombs - but without derailing this thread into a lesson in internatinoal politics, see http://www.un.org/events/npt2005/npttreaty.html
dan santhums	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:02:00 - [25] Ja'kar All the limitations your placing on obtaining a titan are enforced by yourself not CCP, You asking them to change the way the game works to suit you, It has been said its possible for you to claim a system, set up an alliance and build a titan, you reply is basically you cant be bothered
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:04:00 - [26] Here are the steps: 1. Find someone who has a Titan. 2. Pay him an absurd amount of money. 3. Have him eject from his Titan in space. 4. Board the Titan. 5. ... 6. Deficit!
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:12:00 - [27] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 17:09:47 no Dan thats not what I am saying at all - IO would like to see the game changes so pll have the chice to ownb a titan without owning sovern thats all. see privater post and other ppl would find new ways to use titans I am sure - i have I have said do not have the isk for a titan or will have. I just would like othe rppl to be able to use em and not just alliances. Is this a player run game or allaince warfare. I thought it was suppossed to be player run. SO simply my argument is let the player base have the choice AND Reggie you would then have to stay in your titan untill the servers closed or it got popped as where would you dock!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Ja'kar no Dan thats not what I am saying at all - IO would like to see the game changes so pll have the chice to ownb a titan without owning sovern thats all. see privater post and other ppl would find new ways to use titans I am sure - i have I have said do not have the isk for a titan or will have. I just would like othe rppl to be able to use em and not just alliances. Is this a player run game or allaince warfare. I thought it was suppossed to be player run. SO simply my argument is let the player base have the choice If titans could be built without sovereignty, alliances would just hide a POS in some back end system in the middle of nowhere, controlled by a holding corporation, and nobody would realize they were building a titan. Sovereignty forces the alliance to show their POS's location to the world. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:17:00 - [29] If titans could be built without sovereignty, alliances would just hide a POS in some back end system in the middle of nowhere, controlled by a holding corporation, and nobody would realize they were building a titan. PLAYER RUN! let them do it - use other means to find the titan or find out at the worst possable time I don't care.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:27:00 - [30] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 08/03/2007 17:26:11 Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 08/03/2007 17:25:52 Originally by: Ja'kar If titans could be built without sovereignty, alliances would just hide a POS in some back end system in the middle of nowhere, controlled by a holding corporation, and nobody would realize they were building a titan. PLAYER RUN! let them do it - use other means to find the titan or find out at the worst possable time I don't care. Sphynix - such a long post and still missed the point - please be civil - wouldn't be the ultimate player run universe one where every player is programming the stuff he's using by himself? you want a titan - program one by yourself - no constraints what it can and what it can't. no prerequisites you don't like, only the things YOU consider as right and needed and maybe even balanced. but that's not the game you're subscribing to. EVE is player-run .. yes. but this doesn't mean that there aren't any constraints in the game-mechanics. the devs are looking for ways to balance the prerequisites and the effects of objects in the game so that aren't any i-win buttons. or at least that those i-win buttons are really difficult to get. ahem .. regarding sphynix post - he/she stating only the facts. if you feel offended by them .. well .. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.

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