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Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:02:06 You cannot own on ewith having sovern on the space which is a too much for small corps or if your rich (and am not) to own one. So then is it just for alliance ppl to own? Also the hanger that holds them you cannot lock access so every director can get at it It just seems really unfair to ppl thst might want to work towards one, and I think it woul dmake the game better of ppl could get at them, not just allainces. I could be wrong on the above information but i don't think I am Please no trolls or flames!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/03/2007 16:04:29 If a corp has the resources to build a titan, then they have the resources to convert themselves into a one corp alliance and claim sovereignty somewhere. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:02:06 You cannot own on ewith having sovern on the space which is a too much for small corps or if your rich (and am not) to own one. where the hell did you get this idea from? All you need is a capital construction array and a few hundred billion ISK-worth of blueprints, minerals and components, surely? ***
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:11:00 - [4] Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:14:00 - [5] Have you done research as to how hard those things are to make? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:15:00 - [6] well epeen or not the fact is if a person has the isk to get one thats not to say they have the resoruces to have god knows how many pos it takes to make sovern and i got my info from the blue ppl in help chat (light blue) Also it would be nice to have a titan to work for and with small support from other ppl in a smallish corp it would be a great dynamic that Should be allowed to ppl fair enough not many (if any) would have them, but why not let the players have a choice this was suppossed to be a PLAYER run game, seems to be more and more how CCP want the game to be played. Not to be rude as I will never have the isk to fly one but if i did why should i have to be part of a alliance to have it, is that all eve is now allaince warfare?
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:16:00 - [7] Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. Atm they are very good solo pwnmobiles, see no reason why rich individuals shouldnt use em. Maybe if too many titans show up CCP will fix them.
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar V.I.T.R.I.O.L.	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:30:00 - [8] Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. A very dynamic corp could use a titan as a payable jump gate and make tons of isk.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:36:00 - [9] tbh - this question is like asking "why are people allowed to use guns, but only nation-states are 'allowed' to use atombombs?" ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Badhands Gallente The Huns Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:37:00 - [10] Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:41:23 Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket. no sorry thats simply not true The isk to buy (not build) a titan is huge and only the very rich could get it, but that is so different from have a) the people to have all these pos fed with fuel b) the abilty to defend sovern space. This is very diferent from a smaller corp or few corps with a lot of isk buying a titan then having all the people needed to runa sovern empire All am saying is why is the CHOICE taken away? Would it hurt to have a choice? I mean really how many would own a titian even if they could, but that is not the sameas not having a choice.
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. A very dynamic corp could use a titan as a payable jump gate and make tons of isk. That's a nice idea indeed, but would it really work? Wouldn't you sooner or later end up renting the "jump gate" to the wrong people and get the titan killed?
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:46:00 - [13] if i remember well, the choice was made to annoy you ok im not contributing but i dont see the big deal there. there is like 10 of those titans on all eve world, why so much words ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:46:00 - [14] It bugs me too, I have the resources to build a Titan, but to do so I would have to have a POS, claim sov and then defend it for the months that building a Titan would take. But that just does not interest me. Even if I did, I would pretty much be dooming myself to always being in the thing cause of course you cant dock it. So, instead of building a Titan, I am going spend my billions on thousands of war decs.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:44:39 Even if I did, I would pretty much be dooming myself to always being in the thing cause of course you cant dock it. Well you can dock it - in a capital ship array (?) - that all directors have access to (cannot lock it) and can only be deployed in sovern space.
PredatorPT New Dawn Corp	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:41:23 Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket. no sorry thats simply not true The isk to buy (not build) a titan is huge and only the very rich could get it, but that is so different from have a) the people to have all these pos fed with fuel b) the abilty to defend sovern space. This is very diferent from a smaller corp or few corps with a lot of isk buying a titan then having all the people needed to runa sovern empire All am saying is why is the CHOICE taken away? Would it hurt to have a choice? I mean really how many would own a titian even if they could, but that is not the sameas not having a choice. Seems you really want a small corp to build a titan then. You don't need to keep sovereignty forever, just for the duration of the titan's construction. If even that sounds too much work/investment for you, just wait until large industrial alliances start selling them to public, it's bound to happen sooner or later since it's already done with motherships.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:50:00 - [17] Seems you really want a small corp to build a titan then. You don't need to keep sovereignty forever, just for the duration of the titan's construction. If even that sounds too much work/investment for you, just wait until large industrial alliances start selling them to public, it's bound to happen sooner or later since it's already done with motherships. Sorry m8 not BUILD but BUY (or build if they want to), but even if a corp did buy it they could not park it as you need sovern to park it in a hanger
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Ja'kar you need sovern to park it in a hanger Damn, why didn't they tell cyvok to park it in teh hanger!!! King Liu is RIGHT!!
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:56:00 - [19] You don't need sov space to build a Titan, only to build one. If you want a Titan but don't want to build it, you can always pay someone to build it for you.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:59:00 - [20] Who says you don't have the choice to fly a Titan? It's just that getting one costs more than just the ISK. You pay for a Titan with ISK, hard work, friendships and a lot of other things. I suppose ISK can't buy everything after all. For now anyway.
ZZandra TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:00:00 - [21] Hey, if you can afford a Titan on your own, then CCP should let you fly it. Please invite me to the christening. Think of death as a learning experience.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:41:23 Anyone with the resources to consider building a titan has the resources to convert their corp into an alliance. It's just another drop in the bucket. no sorry thats simply not true The isk to buy (not build) a titan is huge and only the very rich could get it, but that is so different from have a) the people to have all these pos fed with fuel b) the abilty to defend sovern space. This is very diferent from a smaller corp or few corps with a lot of isk buying a titan then having all the people needed to runa sovern empire All am saying is why is the CHOICE taken away? Would it hurt to have a choice? I mean really how many would own a titian even if they could, but that is not the sameas not having a choice. You do have a choice. You can build the titan yourself. You can buy the titan from another. You can, not, buy or build a titan. To build one you need exactly 1 PoS in 0.0 space. The required skills to form an alliance for Sov' (takes about 1 month). The cap ship array and a frieghter to move it - costs about 2bil for the array. About 10 BPOs at around 1.5 bil each About 25bil in minerals. A hauler to move the minerals (because you can't unload a frieghter in space) Peace and quite for about 6 months whilst you build the components. Research the BPOs. Then finally build the Titan, which only takes a mere 8 weeks in itself. To buy one you need: About 60bil (probably closer to 80) A corp that actually wants to sell one. To not buy or build one you need: To, erm, not buy or build one. But if you do get one then you will probably need about 10bil in mods (might as well buy the best). Another account for Cyno duty (or you can't actually go anywhere). A support fleet for when another alliance decides to kill you. A PoS to refuel and refit at. Some T2 mining lasers so you can do something useful in your "solo pwnmobile".
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte tbh - this question is like asking "why are people allowed to use guns, but only nation-states are 'allowed' to use atombombs?" http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/tehsainte/sig_ish_azuki.png Quoted for Kamineko sig! --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte tbh - this question is like asking "why are people allowed to use guns, but only nation-states are 'allowed' to use atombombs?" FYI, most nation-states are NOT allowed to use atom bombs - but without derailing this thread into a lesson in internatinoal politics, see http://www.un.org/events/npt2005/npttreaty.html
dan santhums	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:02:00 - [25] Ja'kar All the limitations your placing on obtaining a titan are enforced by yourself not CCP, You asking them to change the way the game works to suit you, It has been said its possible for you to claim a system, set up an alliance and build a titan, you reply is basically you cant be bothered
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:04:00 - [26] Here are the steps: 1. Find someone who has a Titan. 2. Pay him an absurd amount of money. 3. Have him eject from his Titan in space. 4. Board the Titan. 5. ... 6. Deficit!
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:12:00 - [27] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 17:09:47 no Dan thats not what I am saying at all - IO would like to see the game changes so pll have the chice to ownb a titan without owning sovern thats all. see privater post and other ppl would find new ways to use titans I am sure - i have I have said do not have the isk for a titan or will have. I just would like othe rppl to be able to use em and not just alliances. Is this a player run game or allaince warfare. I thought it was suppossed to be player run. SO simply my argument is let the player base have the choice AND Reggie you would then have to stay in your titan untill the servers closed or it got popped as where would you dock!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Ja'kar no Dan thats not what I am saying at all - IO would like to see the game changes so pll have the chice to ownb a titan without owning sovern thats all. see privater post and other ppl would find new ways to use titans I am sure - i have I have said do not have the isk for a titan or will have. I just would like othe rppl to be able to use em and not just alliances. Is this a player run game or allaince warfare. I thought it was suppossed to be player run. SO simply my argument is let the player base have the choice If titans could be built without sovereignty, alliances would just hide a POS in some back end system in the middle of nowhere, controlled by a holding corporation, and nobody would realize they were building a titan. Sovereignty forces the alliance to show their POS's location to the world. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:17:00 - [29] If titans could be built without sovereignty, alliances would just hide a POS in some back end system in the middle of nowhere, controlled by a holding corporation, and nobody would realize they were building a titan. PLAYER RUN! let them do it - use other means to find the titan or find out at the worst possable time I don't care.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:27:00 - [30] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 08/03/2007 17:26:11 Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 08/03/2007 17:25:52 Originally by: Ja'kar If titans could be built without sovereignty, alliances would just hide a POS in some back end system in the middle of nowhere, controlled by a holding corporation, and nobody would realize they were building a titan. PLAYER RUN! let them do it - use other means to find the titan or find out at the worst possable time I don't care. Sphynix - such a long post and still missed the point - please be civil - wouldn't be the ultimate player run universe one where every player is programming the stuff he's using by himself? you want a titan - program one by yourself - no constraints what it can and what it can't. no prerequisites you don't like, only the things YOU consider as right and needed and maybe even balanced. but that's not the game you're subscribing to. EVE is player-run .. yes. but this doesn't mean that there aren't any constraints in the game-mechanics. the devs are looking for ways to balance the prerequisites and the effects of objects in the game so that aren't any i-win buttons. or at least that those i-win buttons are really difficult to get. ahem .. regarding sphynix post - he/she stating only the facts. if you feel offended by them .. well .. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:36:00 - [31] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 17:34:00 Ishquar Teh'Sainte look chill no need to get rude - no I would not want the player base to change everything they wanted - we would all be playing wow with no pvp unless we shot out hearts and ships did not die but got a bit dirty. but really yes CCP need to ballacce and they don't always get this right (anyone remember the 1400's projectile nerf - fix- nerf - fix) when i say player run i mean CCP should proivid the structure (game rules - the univers we play in and how things interact.- player led means that (take the titan example) players should use em as they want (within the game rules) currently it seems to use titan you HAVE to be in sovern alliance. I would love to see what m0o typ pirate corp would do with it and it would make for great fraps and form chat - as well as alliances would have something else to think about. As the pirate corp would not have sovern space but a pos somewhere in 0.0 it would great finding them or trying to pop, I think this is a another example where CCP should let teh player base run with it and stop finding 'roles' for ships. Look am noit gonna get into a flaming contest with you. Ok m8
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Jump Nought Perhaps you need to spend the next 6 years mining 23.5 hours a day 364 days a year to afford one, solo. Yet you could do it - if you wanted to. Not sure, maybe he can't keep up with the inflation if he goes solo. ^_^ King Liu is RIGHT!!
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Ja'kar Sphynix - such a long post and still missed the point - please be civil - As far as i can see i didn't miss the point. You can just buy one with enough ISK - i did say that didn't I? Maybe you missed the point. Or was the point of your post to point out that fact you couldn't see the point and thus had to point out i was being "un-civil" about the point? Besides where was i being "not civil", i just pointed out 3 options. If your point is that Titans cost to much and that your "poor" self should be allowed to build one for 50isk in empire with no risk at all. Then yeah, i did miss the point - because you never stated it. You wanted to know why "only alliances" could have Titans - but as its been pointed out you don't have to even leave the newbie corp to acutally buy one. Only if you want to build one do you need to be in an alliance - even that can be a single person corp, if you want it to be.
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Ja'kar I would love to see what m0o typ pirate corp would do with it and it would make for great fraps and form chat - as well as alliances would have something else to think about. There are pirate corps with motherships, won't be too long before there's pirates with a titan. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:41:00 - [35] Perhaps you need to spend the next 6 years mining 23.5 hours a day 364 days a year to afford one, solo. Yet you could do it - if you wanted to. m8... When did I say I was going to fly a titan or that I would own a titan - and am talking about RICH players (of which I am not) buying a titan- and where after 6 years of mining would I park it
Jump Nought	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Ja'kar Perhaps you need to spend the next 6 years mining 23.5 hours a day 364 days a year to afford one, solo. Yet you could do it - if you wanted to. m8... When did I say I was going to fly a titan or that I would own a titan - and am talking about RICH players (of which I am not) buying a titan- and where after 6 years of mining would I park it So what was the point in this thread? Please explain.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:44:00 - [37] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 17:42:25 If your point is that Titans cost to much and that your "poor" self should be allowed to build one for 50isk in empire with no risk at all. Then yeah, i did miss the point - because you never stated it. You wanted to know why "only alliances" could have Titans - but as its been pointed out you don't have to even leave the newbie corp to acutally buy one. Only if you want to build one do you need to be in an alliance - even that can be a single person corp, if you want it to be. ffs typical - eve post= flame, flame flame - ok lets just agree that you are an idiot and I will be more than happy. So what was the point in this thread? Please explain. - flame by trol must resit Back to the OP - I will make it simple if you own titan you have to have sovern to park it! its that simple.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Ja'kar Back to the OP - I will make it simple if you own titan you have to have sovern to park it! its that simple. yes, that's correct. the devs consider this prerequisite as needed to make the use of a titan balanced. i think they are right. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Ja'kar Back to the OP - I will make it simple if you own titan you have to have sovern to park it! its that simple. Umm, if by park you mean "dock" then yes. The only thing big enough to "park" one is a cap ship array - which you need sov to anchor. But your entire original post was about the fact that alliances are the only ones allowed to own one. Which simply isn't true. Lets go for the hypothetical "i just bought a titan" idea. You are in your own corp (you'll see why later). You just spent the last 6 years mining for enough ISK to buy one and the mods to fit it. You buy it and use a trial account to cyno yourself out of their system. You warp to your own PoS and "eject". You are the only person in your corp - so unless you give out the shield PW no one else can get at your "parked" Titan. This meets the original complaint that anyone director+ could access the hanger. Your titan is just as safe as if it was parked in a ship array - because if they take out the either PoS they get your titan anyway. You actually have the advantage here because you do not have Sov - so you don't show on the map... So it is even more secure thatn with an alliance. Corp members required = 1 (you) Alliance required = 0 Ability to "park" the titan = yes Ability to be the only one with access to it = yes Ability to use a cap ship array = no Retitle thread to "Why can only alliances use cap ship arrays" = good idea. As to why only alliances have built a titan yet = sheer logistics and numbers required to build one is massive. Only the big alliances actually have the numbers required to pull it off - at this time. So yes, atm you will only see the big, well established alliances making titans. Because only they can. A few years ago only the big corps could build BS, then only the big corps could build Cap ships. Then only the... BTW constuctive posts, or enquiries, aren't flames. Unless you can't handle them.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:17:00 - [40] ok - why don't you just go away - but b4 u do answer me this if u need sovern to park (dock) how are smaller corps gonna own a titan this seems a bit to much in favour of the allinces and the point is that eve should be player run - so players should be able to park titans in space without sovern and ur boring me now - this is not me and ur b i t c h talking but open to everyone. So please go and find something else to do. I wanted to discuss why u need sovern to own titans and not a 3 way argument
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:22:00 - [41] HOW I MINE FISH?! Also, heaven forfend; there's actually content for groups of players in a massively multiplayer online game. But the fact remains, if you can get the money, a single corporation or even an individual can own a titan. Difficulty approaching insanity? Sure. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Titans reward groups of players working together, yet there's no artificial limits preventing single corporations or individuals from having one. Sovereignty? Offer an existing alliance enough ISK, and you'll end up with a Titan. Is the cost high? Damned right. Should it be? Damned right. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:22:00 - [42] A few years ago only the big corps could build BS, then only the big corps I did not read all ur post as I don't want to but you really won with the above point but you know just to point out the difference than u can post another very long and boring post. wait for it..... U can dock BS anyway - re-read U can dock BS anyway - so player base once they got into a bs could use it - dock it and move on - the titan can only be docked in sovern space- can u little mind see what I am getting at
Ilea Celentay Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Ja'kar Stuff... Maybe someone has already said, but if you could afford a Titan, which you have clearly said you cannot, but if you could, and then get the logistics together to build one, the defence to protect it and the skills to fly it, then surly, you can spare a billion is to create your own alliance and then not need to join another. That said, if your point is that you want to build one without being in an alliance, well, that would defeat the point, just like Outposts, somethings in Eve ARE not designed for the "solo" corps/small corp, and rightly so... Now where have I hidden my Titan fleet!? Faction Ship Info \|\| Rig Factory
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:23:00 - [44] It is relativly easy for a small corp to form an alliance. Train empire managment (takes about 1 month, like i said earlier) Pay 1 bil Form an alliance with yourself - you do not need to "alliance" with another corp. Even if you did, just ally with an alt. Five DTs later you can anchor your own "sov required" items. Before you say that 1bil is to expensive, remeber that you are also saying that this corp can afford a titan - with is well over that 1bil mark.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:25:00 - [45] Also, heaven forfend; there's actually content for groups of players in a massively multiplayer online game. well look for a titan to be built you would need a group of players to build it so the multi player thing is still intact. As for solo use well maybe if they are brave enough, I think that there would still be support and lets face it if a player pirate corp (or any small corp) had a titan in a pos in 0.0 it would be a huge risk that the allince would not have (risk vs. reward).
SlackJawedSlayer	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:30:00 - [46] Edited by: SlackJawedSlayer on 08/03/2007 18:29:26 So this topic boild down to... I want a Titan, but theyre awkward to build... unfair!!! Ok so assume i got a Titan, they cant be stored safely without effort... unfair!!! Ok so i have my place to store my Titan, and i have my Titan, but now a director has automagically stolen it... unfair!!! Titan's are the absoloute bleeding edge of Eve. They are a double edged sword, giving you the power to strike down blobs but the risk of losing it all without support. It takes a heck of stuff to build one (as it should), it takes a heck of a lot of effort to defend it while it builds(as it should). At the end of the day, the sov needs of building it and storing it are just another requirement... suck it up. The whole directors can steal titan's point is fair enough... but directors are meant to be people you can trust absoloutly. If you are worried about X stealing your titan, then dont make X a director, give him specific roles. You dont see me whining that now i've got my Raven i should be able shoot people and insta dock, or warp without using stargates. Its a player run game alright, which is why you need some constraints so its fun and not just wandering round looking for the only remaining station that the 2 day old newbies in titans havent blown up. Think of the sov needs a fair trade off for not needing to have freighters following your Titan around keeping fueled up, not having to bring it into a dock every 3 months for a complete overhaul, for not having a duct that leads right to the main reactor allowing it to be insta-popped by a single inty, not sucking your corpmates ships into its gravitational well and smashing them against it, not attracting the attention of Caldari navy and being exterminated. Scratch that, last one would be fun to see.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:30:00 - [47] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:29:40 Sphynix am not gonna respond to u anymore. ok look to have sovern to be able to keep it as I understand it (and i dont have 0.0 space to have sovern) is that u need to keep feeding these pos. so in realty Small corps could have a pos with the right stuff and still be able maintain it. whereby sovern would be too much hassle - and if it cost a bill well if they could a afford to buy a titan than yeah a bill is small change. All am really saying is way make it sovern- - surly if ppl want to take a huge risk then they should be. I mean 0.0 is lawless. How cna you justify a small 0.0 in lawless space not being able to dock a titan sue to a law? surly they would just build/buy it and be done with it.
Mog Carns Industrial Warlords United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:32:00 - [48] You just want to find him and try to punch him sane, don't you? How, exactly, is owning a titan going to improve your gold farming? Clueless Noob
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:33:00 - [49] 2 day old newbies in titans havent blown up. That about sums up ur post...
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar V.I.T.R.I.O.L.	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:33:00 - [50] Well shortly taken I think the OP could just not state is own complain strait. Basically: - Why does a corp/alliance need Sovern to do anything? This is an imposed CCP idea that actually makes no sens except to "Balance" alliance. Personally I think sovernthingny should be an option for control freak alliances as it is a liability for more secretive ones. But that goes in line with POS, why a moon, why not empty space? All and all it is CCP's game and the way they design it is based on analysis and balancing. But you have to remember this is all seen form a point of view.
Lady Kinla World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Ja'kar ok - why don't you just go away I think you need to stfu and go away. Can you not read? Or are you being stupid on purpose? I think you need to get someone else to read his post for you and then explain to you what it means. Thank you. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:36:00 - [52] Oh, so now i understand. You want a small corp, one that can't survive in 0.0, to be able to build/buy/own a titan and use it. To this effect you also want to be able to dock it in a station - because it is safe (because the corp couldn't survive in 0.0) My only remaining question, which i hope you answer for everyone else at the least, is this: What is this corp going to do with this titan?
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:39:00 - [53] Sebastien LeReparteur not really what am saying m8 - yes alliances should get rewards and moon mining and all the rest of it (whatever they get) so lets say to BUILD a titan u need sovern but to own it and dock it u dont - like every other ship in eve (ok titan is a different sort of ship). Just to give others a chance to work towards owning a titan, no point owning it if u can never dock it and I read something about directors - if u own a titan then ulness ur in a one man corp there are gonna be others why not simply have no sovern (to dock) and the abilty to lock titans.
Lady Kinla World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Lady Kinla on 08/03/2007 18:37:02 Which imo would further unbalance titans. and i'm going afk for dinner so i won't be whoring this thread. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:45:00 - [55] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:42:42 Sphynix look a corp can survive in 0.0 - who's to say that an allaince would not mind a titan to be in their (without sovern) space and who knows what can be done with a titan. Maybe a smaller corp would use the titan as a base and move around a lot - maybe they rent it (and themselves) out to wars and as such need a tempory - safe pos to dock at - these are just some of the things that couild happen. I am am sure there are other's who could think of much better ways to use it why u hating so much is too much for you that someone might have ways to use a titan, other than alliances. I don't hate allinces and they got the right to build and sell and make as much profit as they like but why they got to control who owns/docks titans
Captain Jaikken Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:02:06 You cannot own on ewith having sovern on the space which is a too much for small corps or if your rich (and am not) to own one. So then is it just for alliance ppl to own? Also the hanger that holds them you cannot lock access so every director can get at it It just seems really unfair to ppl thst might want to work towards one, and I think it woul dmake the game better of ppl could get at them, not just allainces. I could be wrong on the above information but i don't think I am Please no trolls or flames! Translation: "It seems perfectly fair that many people working together can have more than a single individual, but it makes my e-peen feel smaller when other people have a bigger ship than mine so rather than doing what they did to get one i'm going to go cry on the forums untill titans replace the ibis as the new starter ship."
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:50:00 - [57] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:48:36 Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:47:34 Translation: "It seems perfectly fair that many people working together can have more than a single individual, but it makes my e-peen feel smaller when other people have a bigger ship than mine so rather than doing what they did to get one i'm going to go cry on the forums untill titans replace the ibis as the new starter ship." yet another usless trol thanks for ur worthless comment - and sorry that I should use the forms to express a thought - and I got no problem with ppl working together _ i like ppl working together - don't really see solo titans everywhere and further I am talking about GROUPS of ppl useing titans You know what really kills me is that I would like to see these changes for other ppl I got no need or want (well maybe a little want) I am happy with dreads, but I would like to see others non-alliances get the chance to use titans. don't see how that is whining please explain how it is
x racer Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.08 18:54:00 - [58] Whats so tough about getting Sov? One small POS in one system in 0.0.....no big deal. Theres plenty of 0.0 nobody has any interest in. Is Sov really the issue here? Or is this a classic I been playing for 3 months and I want (fill in the blank here) NOW! Yes, this was a rhetorical question, no reply is required..... x
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:04:00 - [59] yah i am 3 months old - and yah flame - and yah i dont know how sovrn works - just what i was told and i wanted to share my thoughts with others in eve if u bothered to read the 1st page b4 the usless troll invaded (well they were in that page 2) some ppl had some positive thoughts on it. Let me point out these are game fourms and ppl are allowed to gasp have a idea and talk about them and gasp some ppl might not know everything about the topic and by talking about may a) learn something and others who read it b) the topic may need talking about c) why is it some of u think u can control what ppl post with ur tolling stupid comments. really for some of you really need to grow up (and thats not restricted to age). So by all mean offer argument for and against (don't have to be long or short arguments). This is not a war of words or trying to show how brave you are with a keyboard.
Captain Jaikken Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:48:36 Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:47:34 Translation: "It seems perfectly fair that many people working together can have more than a single individual, but it makes my e-peen feel smaller when other people have a bigger ship than mine so rather than doing what they did to get one i'm going to go cry on the forums untill titans replace the ibis as the new starter ship." yet another usless trol thanks for ur worthless comment - and sorry that I should use the forms to express a thought - and I got no problem with ppl working together _ i like ppl working together - don't really see solo titans everywhere and further I am talking about GROUPS of ppl useing titans You know what really kills me is that I would like to see these changes for other ppl I got no need or want (well maybe a little want) I am happy with dreads, but I would like to see others non-alliances get the chance to use titans. don't see how that is whining please explain how it is Because your corp has the means available to it to get a titan, but instead of doing it you'd rather complain for them to make it easier. That makes it whining. If you want a titan that bad then just convert to or join an alliance like everyone else. You are not special and nobody said you can have anything in the game without working for it. Your corp wants a titan? They can convert to an alliance and claim space like the rest of the titan owners. Thats what fair is.
Ms E	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:08:00 - [61] Edited by: Ms E on 08/03/2007 19:04:57 (edit - pointed at Jaklass, or whatever the OP is called) lol Anyone that doesn't brown nose you (which seems to be everyone) is classed, by you, as a flamer or a troll. So you admit that you have no idea how the game works - but then you refuse to read the posts that explain it and call the poster a "useless troll". Kinda makes you the troll really doesn't it? Anyway, keep up the good work. Makes life a bit brighter when someone else demonstrates how big a hole they can dig :)
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:08:00 - [62] capt Jerk you really dont know what ur talking about please find another thread to troll
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:12:00 - [63] Originally by: PredatorPT Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Originally by: PredatorPT Titans, as i see them, are a tool to be used by alliances, and such ship should never be without a support fleet nearby. Individuals have absolutely no reason to get one, except for e-peen enlargement. A very dynamic corp could use a titan as a payable jump gate and make tons of isk. That's a nice idea indeed, but would it really work? Wouldn't you sooner or later end up renting the "jump gate" to the wrong people and get the titan killed? I beleieve the titan can jump and fire the doomsday without any cap recharge so if you get a fleet on top of you fry it and jump out. it would take amazing coordination to stop that and since a titan wouldn't drop anything of any real value compared with the isk output to stop it i cant see it happening except in order to be tactical or perhaps for ransom?
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar V.I.T.R.I.O.L.	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Ja'kar Sebastien LeReparteur not really what am saying m8 - yes alliances should get rewards and moon mining and all the rest of it (whatever they get) so lets say to BUILD a titan u need sovern but to own it and dock it u dont - like every other ship in eve (ok titan is a different sort of ship). Just to give others a chance to work towards owning a titan, no point owning it if u can never dock it and I read something about directors - if u own a titan then ulness ur in a one man corp there are gonna be others why not simply have no sovern (to dock) and the abilty to lock titans. Well that is actually the only flaw mother ship and titan have. They are immune to EWar and with a SB or Dooms Day Device can kill bubbles or sphere that catches them easy. So yes basically they are pownmobile. EXCEPT they need a sovern space to dock or by built. Why built you say then, well a corp / alliance coudl keep a bunch hidden until needed be. You have to remember those ship are pownmobile. Titans are killed by fleets of coordinated kamikazes podders only. They need a flaw.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:13:00 - [65] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 19:10:59 brown nose - yah ok 1st I have done many post and ppl have at time said i was wrong - proved i was wrong and where is the claim that you need to know everyting about about eve b4 u post u must be the player that is perfect and knows all and never quesitions eve - You know there are a lot of very skilled ppl in eve I respect aome of them as they construct very good arguments or good reads but I am sorry there is a core of you that think ur gods, ITS A GAME FOURM and I posted a point about the game that was not whining or hating and i will never owna titan so i would not get the benifit of flying one (that might change who knows), but really stop hating u don't own the threads and some ppl and disagred with me and i hold their points other s are just flammers who think they are some great with a keyboard and a screen- I pity them
Captain Jaikken Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Ja'kar capt Jerk you really dont know what ur talking about please find another thread to troll LOL! 3 month old guy telling me i don't know what i'm talking about? Look man, unless you can present some kind of actual counterpoint then don't go around insulting people. Name calling is the last resort of the guy losing the arguement.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:15:00 - [67] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 19:12:42 3 month LOL check out my char - look man, unless you can present some kind of actual counterpoint erm i ws b4 u trolls jumped in with ur uberness and flames
Matroshka G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:15:00 - [68] Seems to me that holding sovereignty would be the most easily obtainable requirement for a Titan.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:19:00 - [69] Seems to me that holding sovereignty would be the most easily obtainable requirement for a Titan. well yes to be honest your probely right - all I am saying is why do u have to have sovern?
Captain Jaikken Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:19:00 - [70] Edited by: Captain Jaikken on 08/03/2007 19:17:53 Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 19:12:42 3 month LOL check out my char Originally by: Ja'kar yah i am 3 months old - and yah flame - and yah i dont know how sovrn works
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:21:00 - [71] Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 19:18:21 thats called sarcasm -
Ms E	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:21:00 - [72] Originally by: Ja'kar 3 month LOL check out my char - Originally by: Ja'Kar yah i am 3 months old - and yah flame - and yah i dont know how sovrn works So you said you were 3 months old. Are you now saying you aren't? You are, however, very good at this whole hole digging thing aren't you!
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:22:00 - [73] I'm really suprised almost nobody has hit on the biggest point here: CCP wants Titan's to be super rare, something you only see once in a very long while. If the requirements to build them actually got lower then in a few short months there would be hundreds of the damn things, and you wouldn't be able to engage in anything bigger than a 40vs40 with anyone without getting superweaponed. Honestly, that's not in the spirit of the Titan. Carriers and, for the richer corps, motherships, were the ships designed to be (one of the two) something every corp had relatively good access too, and used on a regular basis. Titans are supposed to be super-rare mammoth fleet-flagship, alliance pride machines, not something you can go down to the corner store and pick up because you got a nice christmas bonus. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:22:00 - [74] thats called sarcasm M

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Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:24:00 - [76] CCP wants Titan's to be super rare i get ur point but i don't really think that any non-sovern corps would have em- lets be honest if that was the case - the big allinces would have hundereds of them allready - I think the most one allince has is 2-3
Ms E	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Ja'kar thats called sarcasm M Actually its called lying. Or if you were to be more "politically correct" it would be - "deliberatly saying something that was incorrect".
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:25:00 - [78] Anyone, who is able to afford a Titan is also able to form an alliance. Even if it is a 1-man alliance. There you go. Sorry, if you can't defend your production pos, you are in the same situation like many other small alliances. I don't see how this is any different to no dreads in high sec, no capitals in mission most complexes and all current missions etc. So titans not buildable without sovereignity. Where is the problem ? I could have made it shorter and just said: Titans are meant to be used in alliance warfare and not for some piracy and the devs would probably already sign to this verson.
Matroshka G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Ja'kar well yes to be honest your probely right - all I am saying is why do u have to have sovern? There needs to be a huge risk associated with the huge reward. Which is why I believe the capital ship maintenance array requires sovereignty, viewable on the star map, so that there is an equal risk for the reward.

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