this has been around for at least as long as i have been playing,
yeah the hauler should inherit the flag.
then again crimewatch as a whole needs a good looking at and this i would imagine is quite far down the list of stuff to unfuck

this has been around for at least as long as i have been playing,
yeah the hauler should inherit the flag.
then again crimewatch as a whole needs a good looking at and this i would imagine is quite far down the list of stuff to unfuck

I vote for #2. I would love to be able to join random mining fleets and turn their orcas into suspects ripe for murdering.

Agreed. Crimewatch is trash and has only made things worse for everyone, while all they need to do is make highsec safe. Prohibit using any weapons. Poof! - problem solved.

I vote for #2. I would love to be able to join random mining fleets and turn their orcas into suspects ripe for murdering.

Presumably they would make it so the orca can refuse sketchy loot, and/or the weapon safety would also govern the ability of sketchy people to place sketchy loot in one's hold.

This sounds like it could be an exploit, but then again you never know. Have you petitioned it?

Kippy, you've been back to antiganking me for how long? Two days now? And you're already crying to CCP? I guess I shouldn't expect much more from an antiganker, but it does seem a bit too soon.

Kippy, you've been back to antiganking me for how long? Two days now? And you're already crying to CCP? I guess I shouldn't expect much more from an antiganker, but it does seem a bit too soon.

Please Jason, stay on topic. Do you have any real suggestions on how to fix this circumvention of the suspect timer?

1. This mechanic has been around forever. You seem to be implying it is somehow getting around the rules or intentions of the mechanics, but I don't see any reason why this is anything but working as intended. Afterall, CCP would have done something after years of pilots utilizing this mechanic if it was truly broken.

2. You are thinking through the process incorrectly. The suspecting frigate isn't really moving from the can directly to the fleet hangar. This mechanic is essentially a duplicate of how POS structures transfer stuff. The only requirement to move any m3 of stuff between structures is that you be in a ship, not a just a pod. Why is this? Well, the stuff isn't really moving directly into the next structure. What actually would need to happen is the stuff be loaded into your ship and you fly it over to the next structure. Obviously, this would make for some very dull content so CCP does it for you. All you see is the stuff moving from structure to structure as if it was being jettisoned into space towards the next structure like some high stakes space frisbee golf. The same process happens during the looting process. Stuff gets moved from the wreck, to your cargo, to the fleet hangar. All this is done automatically for you because who wants to sit there and unload a 1,000,000 m3 wreck 500 m3 at a time with their heron.

3. As others have started to point out, even if you remove the ability to safely move loot into a fleet hangar there are a handful of alternatives to perform the same task and still produce secured loot and a green safety DST. "Fixing" this mechanic isn't going to change much, only make a currently simple process more complex. CCP has been trying to remove unnecessary complexity from Eve for quite some time, I doubt they will ever reverse that trend.

4. Just because you can't find a consistent counter to this type of looting doesn't mean there isn't one out there already. Maybe all it takes to "fix" this mechanic is a bit of ingenuity on your end. Not to mention there are plenty of scenarios where looting into a fleet hangar with a throwaway frigate or rookie ship isn't viable or the situations where you have no choice but to suspect the DST/orca/freighter.

Anti ganking back at what they are doing best: crying on the forums.

Thanks for your tears OP

Anti ganking back at what they are doing best: crying on the forums.

Thanks for your tears OP

Gankers/looters have been using this little trick for sometime, and it seems to be growing in popularity because it is successful in circumventing risk vs reward crime mechanic.

Step one - Gank
Step two - Bring in a noob or a cheap frig to the wreck.
Step Three - Bring a Bustard to wreck
Step Four - Use Noobship as the sacrificial ship to move the wreck items into the Bustard. Noob ship goes suspect, but bustard stays normal. Even though it is now holding ganked illegal loot. If noob ship gets popped, repeat step four.

Step five - Fly illegal loot away safely in bustard that is not flashy yellow with no risk.

This has nothing to do with ganking. Ganking is a valid mechanic of the game, high sec should NOT be completely safe. Lets stay on topic. Its is about the exploit of looting.

If you take a step back and look at the big picture. They are changing the game in ways that are ruining the way you choose to play it. They aren't actually whining, they are a slow methodical steam roller that is outright flattening you play style.

Don't call them whiners, call them winners! (it's more accurate)

Delicious!

...in a way that would allow us to wreck highsec even more.