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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1932
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:01:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If I don't get moderated but you do its more likely you are the one causing the problems.
No No No, it must be some conspiracy!!!! That's the only thing that explains it!
LOL and I saw you doing yet another I am so wonderful post. By the way your deadspace fitted Macherial was perfectly safe from CODE they hardly ever gank mission runners. I know you have me blocked, but its fun to point out just how far off base you are yet again....
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13954
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:06:56 -
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High sec terrorissm, is destructive, nothing constructive, like a trolling on forums, here ISD locks the posts that are too trolish or non constructive, something like that in game keeps functioning. CCP dont seem to bother with eliminating high sec terrorism, even when its something destructive and on such scale, and in real world it is severely punished and tried to be eliminated everywhere it appears. If they really think its real world science fiction, they should make more to punish those terrorists. But for now they cant construct system without overdestructive element. This is bad.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
2985
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:11:49 -
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Drac, you know I don't have anything against you. I agree with some of your views and disagree with some others. That said, you've been abnormally aggro over the last day. Are you okay? I mean it could just be drunkposting, and god do I know about that.... but it almost seems like someone put Icy Hot in your Preparation H.
I only ask because you normally seem relatively level headed when it comes to the whole 'not being killed' issues... whereas these gankling and war threads that have popped up over the last day have been tinfoil ridden and your approach has been nothing short of heated.
Just concerned.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17699
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:12:24 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
Yes that one, its enough..., but actually I have a major suspicion about who you really are, if that is true you really ought to be more careful.
This should be fun. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:15:12 -
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Please don't make this post locked disputing.
I'm about numbers:
Is 1 trillion 1000 billions?
So basically an alliance destroyed 30.000 billions of ships losing 1.000 billions of ships.
If a plex or month subscription is about 1 bil, they destroyed 30.000 plexes losing only 1.000 plexes.
If you convert in money it should be about 600.000 dollars of plexes value? Losing 30.000 dollars value?
Am I correct? Half a million dollars value?
It's a too huge amount of money for me, it's abnormal in my opinion.
And it's done 74% solo, making it even more incredible. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1932
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:16:21 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:High sec terrorissm, is destructive, nothing constructive, like a trolling on forums, here ISD locks the posts that are too trolish or non constructive, something like that in game keeps functioning. CCP dont seem to bother with eliminating high sec terrorism, even when its something destructive and on such scale, and in real world it is severely punished and tried to be eliminated everywhere it appears. If they really think its real world science fiction, they should make more to punish those terrorists. But for now they cant construct system without overdestructive element. This is bad.
CCP have lost a lot of players from this, I come across ex-eve players who were the prey type all the time, I spoke to another one today that played Eve for 9 years and gave up at the height of the mining ships having the tank of a wet paper bag.
The question is how niche does CCP went to make it, players like me like the challenge of playing a tough game, but it gets boring after a while because to be blunt players like me get bored at just how lame they the gankers and player killers really are. They can do absolutely nothing against me, war decs ganks, nothing.
The fact is I am at a level that I control my risk, I lost one ship to gankers, and that was Russian gankers when I was shooting them, it was a Thrasher. It is not hard to defeat these players.
The thing is they prey on stupid and lazy players, they are not wrong on this, however there are many mechanics that actually help them, be it from loot scooping to bumping, they are great at using them.
But the issue is that this game is becoming too niche, its ending up with difficult to kill players like me, gankers, griefers, scammers, market traders, power gamers and player killers only, and all of them are risk averse, so in the end it is getting more and more boring.
Then you ahve the structural issues around accounts, so that you try to build something and in comes a spy who then wrecks your alliance from the inside, so the game is full of sloth and inactivity based on its structure and player base activities.
Personally I am losing faith that there is any way back from this and the closing of those earlier threads was a symptom of that.
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17701
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:16:33 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:baltec1 wrote:Equally they are not a profit making organisation, they are more like terrorists. Terrorism is not about targeting greedy and stupid. Its about spreading fear and terror, hence the term Terrorism. Please be exact next time and post they are just terrorists.
Thats exactly what they target.
Code started out as a protest to nerfs to barge ganking, over the years it has evolved as more and more nerfs have landed. Now they are practically role playing a religion where they view to greedy and daft bear in highsec as the devil and try to purge what they see as the unclean.
This once protest group now fanatical terrorist group are now more or less the only risk left in highsec, which in itself is rather upsetting. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
978
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:18:16 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote: I'm about numbers:
And I posted some, which you didn't bother responding to.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
2986
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:21:34 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Please don't make this post locked disputing.
I'm about numbers:
Is 1 trillion 1000 billions?
So basically an alliance destroyed 30.000 billions of ships losing 1.000 billions of ships.
If a plex or month subscription is about 1 bil, they destroyed 30.000 plexes losing only 1.000 plexes.
If you convert in money it should be about 600.000 dollars of plexes value? Losing 30.000 dollars value?
Am I correct? Half a million dollars value?
It's a too huge amount of money for me, it's abnormal in my opinion.
And it's done 74% solo, making it even more incredible. They did. Because their targets were not paying attention or putting forth any effort to defend themselves. ISK value is not a tank and never will be. I've personally destroyed ships worth over a billion with ships that were worth less than 40 million, solo. More than once. And I'm not really that good at EVE. For me, it was betting on stupid and arrogant. It's a pretty safe bet, especially if you put a target in front of them that any rational mind without any clue regarding game mechanics would consider an easy kill.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Memphis Baas
1805
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:22:52 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Teorism is [...] about spreading fear and terror, hence the term.
Since this thread is going places, seems to me that the recent attacks have caused pain, loss, charity, solidarity, and major anger at the attackers. I haven't seen fear and terror anywhere.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17701
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:24:20 -
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Memphis Baas wrote: I haven't seen fear and terror anywhere.
Endless calls to nerf ganking where the fear and terror is |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
280
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:25:50 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:embrel wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:I'm not receiving any answer from the developer, I saw him posting so I hoped for an answer. as someone already stated: the answer to your questions is in the thread. The problem seems IMO that you do/did not really understand what Code is. So, no use for a dev wasting his time. I don't think a Developer is wasting time when giving and answer to a question (unless it's an incredibly stupid question, but here isk numbers are so incredibly huge and the ratio is so incredibly high I think the question is not stupid).
your insistence on it being answered by a dev when the answer was already stated and is obvious besides is a bit stupid indeed.
Eve is a game where many questions can be asked and it needs kind of a special snowflake to assume that their questions are worth dev-time. |
Memphis Baas
1805
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:26:58 -
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Really? I thought everyone hated CODE. Pretty sure they're not feared. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14352
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:29:31 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:High sec terrorissm, is destructive, nothing constructive, like a trolling on forums, here ISD locks the posts that are too trolish or non constructive, something like that in game keeps functioning. CCP dont seem to bother with eliminating high sec terrorism, even when its something destructive and on such scale, and in real world it is severely punished and tried to be eliminated everywhere it appears. If they really think its real world science fiction, they should make more to punish those terrorists. But for now they cant construct system without overdestructive element. This is bad.
Again, if it bothers you this much, if you hate a core aspect of EVE that much (and you are talking about a core aspect, EVE has been a game of bastards since day 1), WHY are you still here?
It's not going to change, nor should it because the stuff you are complaining about is a part of the reason why EVE is still here while most "please be nice to each other or we will ban you" MMOs died within 3-4 years of launch.
Even for those of us who don't partake in the Bastardry (personally I despise ganking, scamming, stealing, awoxxing and everything like that so I don't do those things), learning to survive in that kind of environment is what makes the game fun. When CCP nerfs the interesting people (like those Terrorists, called CODE, and yes, Terrorism is ok in a game, because it's a game), they are really nerfing those of us who NEED the interesting people to play against.
And all for what, so lazy people can afk in peace? Screw that nonsense.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17703
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:31:37 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Really? I thought everyone hated CODE. Pretty sure they're not feared.
Thats true of every terrorist organisation. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1933
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:37:07 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Drac, you know I don't have anything against you. I agree with some of your views and disagree with some others. That said, you've been abnormally aggro over the last day. Are you okay? I mean it could just be drunkposting, and god do I know about that.... but it almost seems like someone put Icy Hot in your Preparation H.
I only ask because you normally seem relatively level headed when it comes to the whole 'not being killed' issues... whereas these gankling and war threads that have popped up over the last day have been tinfoil ridden and your approach has been nothing short of heated.
Just concerned.
Don't be, I don't like two players here in particular, guess which ones . I guess I am getting tired at them being so lame with their digs and wind ups and using Alinsky tactics and all to shut up debate. So I am pointing it out, I expect a forum ban soon for hurting their tender feelings.
The issue about consequences is a valid one, there is no real consequence, and that post by CCP Falcon set my teeth on edge in a major way. To be blunt I reckon he regrets making that post and that is why the lock thread hammer is coming down hard and fast, that in itself was well rather disturbing.
I wish more people were like you, Ralph and Dirty Forum Alt, even Shae on a good day with a following wind, But I guess another part of it is boredom at trying to talk in a sensible way with people who are trolling with attack posts and the like, so it gets more difficult to be even handed in a discussion when they do that, which is why they do it.
I am writing a book at the moment for my own pleasure, I think I better get back to that. Thanks for the heads up and I will now drop gracefully from the forums for a couple of days.
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
2988
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:39:26 -
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Forum ECM best ECM. I could be doing murder right now, but instead I'm typing on here.
Jenn, have you heard the holy gospel of suspect baiting? I have pamphlets. It's guilt-free PVP... they choose to shoot. You walk away with a clean conscience, and a wicked adrenaline rush :)
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17074
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:47:48 -
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confirming, its like fishing for people with a Hubris lure.
Better the Devil you know.
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ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
285
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:49:30 -
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CCP Falcon has outlined his thoughts on EVE Here. If you have a suggestion on improving a game mechanic please feel free to post it in Player Features and Ideas.
A note on Kill boards: Zkillboard is a third party site. CCP does not endorse any third party site and can not contest to its accuracy.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
297
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:52:09 -
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To anyone who hasn't figured it out yet:
The OP doesn't want the actual answer to his question.
He wants "an answer" from CCP for something he perceives as an outrage. This is just a passive-aggressive troll thread directed at CCP Falcon - hampered by the poor wording and refusal to elaborate by the OP.
Similarly, I could demand "an answer" as to how the monstrous L4 Mission Runners and Incursioners have a 99% efficiency rating against those poor NPC's, while most solo combat pilots have less than a 50% kill:death ratio...
Or I could demand "an answer" as to how those cheating miners can have a 99.999% success ratio in their murderous battle against the harmless asteroids/ice rocks/gas clouds...Only losing ships when outside, non-resource entities intervene...
The literal "answer" to these questions is painfully simple, even to a child - he is after a different sort of "answer"...
PS: Passive aggressive rarely works on internet forums - you would safe yourself a lot of time/effort if you just took the direct approach and said you think it is broken and should be changed. Either way though, your thread will be locked, and you aren't going to get what you want.
PPS: I bet I offended some of you with my examples. Passive aggressive questions like this tend to do that. Now think about the fact that you are similarly pissing off at least one member of CCP and making him even less likely to ever take you seriously. Way to be counter-productive OP. |
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
299
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:57:13 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Forum ECM best ECM. I could be doing murder right now, but instead I'm typing on here.
Jenn, have you heard the holy gospel of suspect baiting? I have pamphlets. It's guilt-free PVP... they choose to shoot. You walk away with a clean conscience, and a wicked adrenaline rush :) I do love suspect baiting. For the true adrenaline rush you need to hold yourself to a certain standard and not up-ship or bring in alts to help yourself unless they go crazy in over-shipping/blobbing you though - at least for me I only get the adrenaline rush if there is a fairly real chance I might lose if they play their cards right.
Also as people are people, and this is EVE - I do find they still always try to make you feel guilty when you win. They can blob you 5-10v1 and if you just barely win they'll guilt trip you over picking on "noobs" like them...though their attempts to brag if they win are almost as bad. I generally just ignore the local chat for the most part lol. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13955
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:01:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:baltec1 wrote:Equally they are not a profit making organisation, they are more like terrorists. Terrorism is not about targeting greedy and stupid. Its about spreading fear and terror, hence the term Terrorism. Please be exact next time and post they are just terrorists. Thats exactly what they target. Code started out as a protest to nerfs to barge ganking, over the years it has evolved as more and more nerfs have landed. Now they are practically role playing a religion where they view to greedy and daft bear in highsec as the devil and try to purge what they see as the unclean. This once protest group now fanatical terrorist group are now more or less the only risk left in highsec, which in itself is rather upsetting. I think risk in High sec should come from PvE and more subtle forms of PvP rather than full blown gankers threat. People see it as clever use of CCP mechanics, no matter how broken they are for them, its still upsetting to be ganked by these people and a need of justice is not fulfilled for them. These are characters who primary concern was to be PvE player, protected from system, like most people are. I know its "not a game for them" but its niche that is left then, and it seems to become ever nicher I think. Just look a t the numbers. I was mildly concerned year ago, now I am more.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17707
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:04:52 -
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Nana Skalski wrote: I think risk in High sec should come from PvE and more subtle forms of PvP rather than full blown gankers threat. People see it as clever use of CCP mechanics, no matter how broken they are for them, its still upsetting to be ganked by these people and a need of justice is not fulfilled for them. These are characters who primary concern was to be PvE player, protected from system, like most people are. I know its "not a game for them" but its niche that is left then, and it seems to become ever nicher I think. Just look a t the numbers. I was mildly concerned year ago, now I am more.
Eve was growing at its fastest rate back when ganking was a hell of a lot easier and there was a number of other ways to get pvp in highsec that don't exist anymore. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:06:14 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:CCP Falcon has outlined his thoughts on EVE Here. If you have a suggestion on improving a game mechanic please feel free to post it in Player Features and Ideas. A note on Kill boards: Zkillboard is a third party site. CCP does not endorse any third party site and can not contest to its accuracy.
So please can you give me a reliable source regarding this topic?
I only used this website so far, I don't know others.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:07:44 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote: I think risk in High sec should come from PvE and more subtle forms of PvP rather than full blown gankers threat. People see it as clever use of CCP mechanics, no matter how broken they are for them, its still upsetting to be ganked by these people and a need of justice is not fulfilled for them. These are characters who primary concern was to be PvE player, protected from system, like most people are. I know its "not a game for them" but its niche that is left then, and it seems to become ever nicher I think. Just look a t the numbers. I was mildly concerned year ago, now I am more.
Eve was growing at its fastest rate back when ganking was a hell of a lot easier and there was a number of other ways to get pvp in highsec that don't exist anymore. But ganking was not so prevalent in the whole narration, actually everyone I ask thinks its gradually became worser. But if it isnt true, and data speak against this, there is something more than numbers and data, its feelings people have about that, what makes them not try the game in the first place. And if they try and are disgusted, well, you get those threads.
If ganking must be in this game, at least shift narration, and make act of it more punished, because its overdestructive I think.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Omar Alharazaad
Nefarious Porpoise
2995
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:09:04 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Forum ECM best ECM. I could be doing murder right now, but instead I'm typing on here.
Jenn, have you heard the holy gospel of suspect baiting? I have pamphlets. It's guilt-free PVP... they choose to shoot. You walk away with a clean conscience, and a wicked adrenaline rush :) I do love suspect baiting. For the true adrenaline rush you need to hold yourself to a certain standard and not up-ship or bring in alts to help yourself unless they go crazy in over-shipping/blobbing you though - at least for me I only get the adrenaline rush if there is a fairly real chance I might lose if they play their cards right. Also as people are people, and this is EVE - I do find they still always try to make you feel guilty when you win. They can blob you 5-10v1 and if you just barely win they'll guilt trip you over picking on "noobs" like them...though their attempts to brag if they win are almost as bad. I generally just ignore the local chat for the most part lol.
I always have taken a bit of pride in my approach. What you see is what you get. I have used an off grid booster before, but I kinda stopped because that ship moved slower than my helios. Instead it's always been the weird trap. That incursus, that enyo, that ishkur... is really going to murder you to death and maybe more.... by itself. They pulled the trigger, you react. My favorite fights I've lost, but I've walked away with a sense of real accomplishment in others... the incursus that popped the 1.3 bil Orthrus, the Ishkur that killed a Kronos... the Fed Navy Comet that compelled the Apocalypse Navy Issue to abandon ship and bail, allowing me my first taste of grand theft battleship.
This is only relevant to the OP in that the bottom line is that the amount of ISK invested in a venture of Nefarious Porpoise has NO relation to the amount of ISK that is either destroyed or absconded with by said evil sea mammal.... or anyone else for that matter. People do dumb things, it's up to other people to capitalize on those things.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14352
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:12:35 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Forum ECM best ECM. I could be doing murder right now, but instead I'm typing on here.
Jenn, have you heard the holy gospel of suspect baiting? I have pamphlets. It's guilt-free PVP... they choose to shoot. You walk away with a clean conscience, and a wicked adrenaline rush :)
Thanks for the advice, but I learned my lesson a long time ago. That lesson is that I am much happier when I avoid Empire space all together. The only 2 characters out of 11 total I have left in high sec are a hauling alt and my "emergency back up isk guy" (my incursion toon, that I only use if I can't do anything else or just don't feel like doing null sec or WH space that night). I just flat hate the mechanics of low sec (pvp and pve) and well, high sec is high sec.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
13957
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:14:04 -
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And as I stated before, I dont want risk to be eliminated. I want it to be more prevalent in PvE. That would mean PvE serious overhaul.
I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14352
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:16:34 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote: PS: Passive aggressive rarely works on internet forums - you would save yourself a lot of time/effort if you just took the direct approach and said you think it is broken and should be changed. Either way though, your thread will be locked, and you aren't going to get what you want.
DUDE (or DUDETTE), that is also one of my pet peeves.
Like when someone creates a thread with a 'question' like "Is {Thing they don't like} too powerful/unbalanced?" then go on to answer their own question....of course it is or they wouldn't be making that thread.. Makes my teeth grind, because it's them trying to appear 'reasonable' when they have already made up their mind. It's like saying "I don't like this, and this is why" is hard for them.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17074
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Posted - 2016.07.26 14:17:20 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:And as I stated before, I dont want risk to be eliminated. I want it to be more prevalent in PvE. That would mean PvE serious overhaul. the risk in pve is someone coming and shooting you in the face, any inherently risky pve gets picked apart and gamed within hours of going live on sisi so that by the time it hits tq we know how to run it (almost) risk free.
Better the Devil you know.
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