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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
I don't see why everyone that gets war dec'd by privs doesn't make it mutual. By the end of the week thats 100 wars they can't back out of when they are getting bbq'd. At the end of the month thats 1000 happy corps slaughtering privs where ever they turn up. At the end of the year privs will no longer exist, and who could, being at war with 25000 ppl a day.....
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Please do ... save us some money
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
I don't see why everyone that gets war dec'd by privs doesn't make it mutual. By the end of the week thats 100 wars they can't back out of when they are getting bbq'd. At the end of the month thats 1000 happy corps slaughtering privs where ever they turn up. At the end of the year privs will no longer exist, and who could, being at war with 25000 ppl a day.....
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Please do ... save us some money
SKUNK
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Jerusalem Man
Farmers Union
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:09:00 -
[33]
Privateers have found away to use the alliance system to provide them with lots targets, so use the alliance system against them.
- create an alliance called Targets - any corp at war with Privateers can join - leave when you like
Help provide Privateers with targets
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Jerusalem Man
Farmers Union
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:09:00 -
[34]
Privateers have found away to use the alliance system to provide them with lots targets, so use the alliance system against them.
- create an alliance called Targets - any corp at war with Privateers can join - leave when you like
Help provide Privateers with targets
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:31:00 -
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I've seen 1 privateer outside highsec. Ever. He died.
Leave high sec, its crap anyway.
or... https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/index.htm
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:31:00 -
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I've seen 1 privateer outside highsec. Ever. He died.
Leave high sec, its crap anyway.
or... https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/index.htm
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:38:00 -
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Yes, I agree that the mechanics that allow the privs to do what they do are unbalanced. I can for one thing understand the necessity of having the war dec option. It can be a fun and rewarding experience. What I don't agree with is that basically this gives one entity easy targets as has been mentioned and removes the fun for a lot of people imo. However, I don't agree with players being able to sit and farm away at whatever they do in empire without any pvp encounters at all since that is not what eev is about but I also think it is a bit unbalanced to allow high-sec griefing basically. Yes, I understand how to avoid them, I know about the npc corp alt hauler. What I'm saying is that there should be more risk vs reward for this type of gameplay.
Of course this is all fine and well for ccp because people will have a second account just for hauling = more isk for ccp.
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:38:00 -
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Yes, I agree that the mechanics that allow the privs to do what they do are unbalanced. I can for one thing understand the necessity of having the war dec option. It can be a fun and rewarding experience. What I don't agree with is that basically this gives one entity easy targets as has been mentioned and removes the fun for a lot of people imo. However, I don't agree with players being able to sit and farm away at whatever they do in empire without any pvp encounters at all since that is not what eev is about but I also think it is a bit unbalanced to allow high-sec griefing basically. Yes, I understand how to avoid them, I know about the npc corp alt hauler. What I'm saying is that there should be more risk vs reward for this type of gameplay.
Of course this is all fine and well for ccp because people will have a second account just for hauling = more isk for ccp.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:47:00 -
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We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game. ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:47:00 -
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We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game. ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tressia on 13/03/2007 05:01:54
Originally by: scabbsssjr We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game.
I see you're a pvp corp. Of course this is the point of view of a pvp corp. For industrial based corps however, this is not the same sentiment. Fact is, industrial based corps deal with pvp in the market as well as in space, shooting.
Not all of the industrial corps sit and make isk without any risk, not all of the industrial based corps logoff at the first sign of trouble and not all of the industrial based corps stay away from pvp. The imbalance comes when your whole time spent playing eve is dodging a hostile, whether in market or in space, that's if you make it all the while, they have plenty of empire targets in haulers to gank.
I actually enjoy pvp. What I don't fine enjoyable is the feeling of not being able to move without 30 people with me in order to go drop some items off at a market stop. What is necessary to counter priv tactics is not reasonable currently. You either have to have an npc corp alt (which is pretty silly if you ask me) or travel with a large group (which is silly if you are a smaller corp with members from different time zones).
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tressia on 13/03/2007 05:01:54
Originally by: scabbsssjr We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game.
I see you're a pvp corp. Of course this is the point of view of a pvp corp. For industrial based corps however, this is not the same sentiment. Fact is, industrial based corps deal with pvp in the market as well as in space, shooting.
Not all of the industrial corps sit and make isk without any risk, not all of the industrial based corps logoff at the first sign of trouble and not all of the industrial based corps stay away from pvp. The imbalance comes when your whole time spent playing eve is dodging a hostile, whether in market or in space, that's if you make it all the while, they have plenty of empire targets in haulers to gank.
I actually enjoy pvp. What I don't fine enjoyable is the feeling of not being able to move without 30 people with me in order to go drop some items off at a market stop. What is necessary to counter priv tactics is not reasonable currently. You either have to have an npc corp alt (which is pretty silly if you ask me) or travel with a large group (which is silly if you are a smaller corp with members from different time zones).
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Liliane Woodhead
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:33:00 -
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- All join Jenny Spitfire's Corp - Disable the ability from Privateer members to talk in local .Thats sometimes more brutal to read than to be wardeced. - nerf Masochistic Cannibal's Sig - have a drink - make love not war.
Over and Out, Yours Woodhead
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Liliane Woodhead
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:33:00 -
[44]
- All join Jenny Spitfire's Corp - Disable the ability from Privateer members to talk in local .Thats sometimes more brutal to read than to be wardeced. - nerf Masochistic Cannibal's Sig - have a drink - make love not war.
Over and Out, Yours Woodhead
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Zatch
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zatch on 13/03/2007 05:38:40 Disadvantages weathered by the Privateers: 1) They are outnumbered. 2) They are outgunned. 3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.) 4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Disadvantages weathered by their targets: 1) You can't be lazy any more, you might actually have to be at the keyboard while playing.
So who do you think is playing EVE the way it's meant to be played? I say go Privateers, you're making EVE interesting. :)
PS You industrialists should be thanking the Privateers for increasing ship/component demand. The true industrialists are playing EVE right now, building their ships and modules, transferring them to alts for transport, and then selling them just like before, while the lazy whining folk have apparently decided that building some sort of transportation infrastructure just isn't worth it. Don't worry, you'll learn eventually. ----- MLCalc Creator HW2/EVE Mod Team Leader |
Zatch
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zatch on 13/03/2007 05:38:40 Disadvantages weathered by the Privateers: 1) They are outnumbered. 2) They are outgunned. 3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.) 4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Disadvantages weathered by their targets: 1) You can't be lazy any more, you might actually have to be at the keyboard while playing.
So who do you think is playing EVE the way it's meant to be played? I say go Privateers, you're making EVE interesting. :)
PS You industrialists should be thanking the Privateers for increasing ship/component demand. The true industrialists are playing EVE right now, building their ships and modules, transferring them to alts for transport, and then selling them just like before, while the lazy whining folk have apparently decided that building some sort of transportation infrastructure just isn't worth it. Don't worry, you'll learn eventually. ----- MLCalc Creator HW2/EVE Mod Team Leader |
Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:33:00 -
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What a load of *******s
Originally by: Zatch
1) They are outnumbered.
Just occasionally they may be outnumbered by a gang that is hunting them specifically. They are rarely outnumbered otherwise. There may be more wartargets in local than there are PA but it's more than likely that all those wartargets are hostile to each other as well. They also manage to get a lot of good intel on hostile gang movements from non-PA players so they are extremely hard to catch unaware.
Originally by: Zatch
2) They are outgunned.
Same as above really and besides, they just hide in stations when they are outnumbered
Originally by: Zatch
3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.)
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
Originally by: Zatch
4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Yes, you must be vigilant, never know when you will run into that 0.0 dweller zipping through empire in their shuttle or stabbed up hauler. They are very dangerous
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:33:00 -
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What a load of *******s
Originally by: Zatch
1) They are outnumbered.
Just occasionally they may be outnumbered by a gang that is hunting them specifically. They are rarely outnumbered otherwise. There may be more wartargets in local than there are PA but it's more than likely that all those wartargets are hostile to each other as well. They also manage to get a lot of good intel on hostile gang movements from non-PA players so they are extremely hard to catch unaware.
Originally by: Zatch
2) They are outgunned.
Same as above really and besides, they just hide in stations when they are outnumbered
Originally by: Zatch
3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.)
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
Originally by: Zatch
4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Yes, you must be vigilant, never know when you will run into that 0.0 dweller zipping through empire in their shuttle or stabbed up hauler. They are very dangerous
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TKarrde
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toria Nynys This has been discussed a billion times.
If you want to avoid privateers:
1. have your haulers in NPC corps.
That's it. Done. Finis.
Yes, it's inconvenient. But temporary. Once the prats run out of haulers to gank, they'll get bored and leave.
If you keep feeding them it's your own fault they keep ganking you.
Quoted for truth. Privateers watch these threads pop up on the Eve-O forums and giggle themselves silly at all the attention they're getting. They're just little kids with no idea how to play the game. Stop glorifying them and get an alt hauler. Problem solved.
And, for the record, my corp/alliance HAS been wardecced by them before. We found creative ways to force them to leave us alone (Privateers aren't the only people who know how to exploit game mechanics).
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TKarrde
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toria Nynys This has been discussed a billion times.
If you want to avoid privateers:
1. have your haulers in NPC corps.
That's it. Done. Finis.
Yes, it's inconvenient. But temporary. Once the prats run out of haulers to gank, they'll get bored and leave.
If you keep feeding them it's your own fault they keep ganking you.
Quoted for truth. Privateers watch these threads pop up on the Eve-O forums and giggle themselves silly at all the attention they're getting. They're just little kids with no idea how to play the game. Stop glorifying them and get an alt hauler. Problem solved.
And, for the record, my corp/alliance HAS been wardecced by them before. We found creative ways to force them to leave us alone (Privateers aren't the only people who know how to exploit game mechanics).
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Bangoura
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:17:00 -
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People read all the normal whines about Privateers and believe it all to be true.
You'd probably be surprised about the amount of haulers we don't kill compared to combat ships. I've killed six times more battleships than I have haulers, eight times more battlecruisers than I have mining barges. Of the top ten systems where I have recent kills, at least three systems are in 0.0 space. We have more than a few Capital ship kills too. We also thanks to some very game empire corps engage in some great medium size fleet battles, it's good fun giving the noobies something to watch, especially enjoyed 2 great fights with I think it was TNT a couple of nights back. Props to them and others who come to fight us.
We're told "real pvpers" play im 0.0. Well, I don't know many Privateers who haven't been in 0.0. Hours on end camping gates with no sign of targets, jumping into fleet battles to then die to lag, whiny kids screaming orders on TS, most of the so called hardcore PvPers I met in 0.0 were some of the biggest carebears you'll ever find. I didn't find it much fun at all.
Now wherever I go I have targets, it's rare I'll enter a system with more than 10 in local that doesn't have hostiles, and that covers 0.0, low sec and high sec. I love it, you have to keep on your toes all the time, there's always a fight or a chase to be had, you can be ganked or gank on pretty much any gate you might arrive it. For me it's Eve on the edge, if you haven't experienced it you have no idea what it's like, people talk about us like we're a huge nasty power, the reality is we're nearly always the underdog.
It's the most fun I've ever had in Eve, I love it, and I'm proud to be a Privateer.
These comments are of course my own and are not spoken on behalf of my corps or alliance.
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Bangoura
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:17:00 -
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People read all the normal whines about Privateers and believe it all to be true.
You'd probably be surprised about the amount of haulers we don't kill compared to combat ships. I've killed six times more battleships than I have haulers, eight times more battlecruisers than I have mining barges. Of the top ten systems where I have recent kills, at least three systems are in 0.0 space. We have more than a few Capital ship kills too. We also thanks to some very game empire corps engage in some great medium size fleet battles, it's good fun giving the noobies something to watch, especially enjoyed 2 great fights with I think it was TNT a couple of nights back. Props to them and others who come to fight us.
We're told "real pvpers" play im 0.0. Well, I don't know many Privateers who haven't been in 0.0. Hours on end camping gates with no sign of targets, jumping into fleet battles to then die to lag, whiny kids screaming orders on TS, most of the so called hardcore PvPers I met in 0.0 were some of the biggest carebears you'll ever find. I didn't find it much fun at all.
Now wherever I go I have targets, it's rare I'll enter a system with more than 10 in local that doesn't have hostiles, and that covers 0.0, low sec and high sec. I love it, you have to keep on your toes all the time, there's always a fight or a chase to be had, you can be ganked or gank on pretty much any gate you might arrive it. For me it's Eve on the edge, if you haven't experienced it you have no idea what it's like, people talk about us like we're a huge nasty power, the reality is we're nearly always the underdog.
It's the most fun I've ever had in Eve, I love it, and I'm proud to be a Privateer.
These comments are of course my own and are not spoken on behalf of my corps or alliance.
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Jared Jaws
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:20:00 -
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I hope that most of the players know that these who whine here about PA are 85% trolls and 15% who fly their frieghters afk in empire cos they are just too lazy.
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Jared Jaws
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:20:00 -
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I hope that most of the players know that these who whine here about PA are 85% trolls and 15% who fly their frieghters afk in empire cos they are just too lazy.
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Frozen Light
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Frozen Light on 13/03/2007 10:31:45 ^ That was me, i hate this posting system :(
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Frozen Light
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Frozen Light on 13/03/2007 10:31:45 ^ That was me, i hate this posting system :(
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect, every week I, along with every CEO in the mighty Privateer Alliance, have to send 50M to the alliance to pay for the war decs.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect, every week I, along with every CEO in the mighty Privateer Alliance, have to send 50M to the alliance to pay for the war decs.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect. It was floated as a rumor a while back but it is actualy impossible to do it.
The isk seriously isnt a problem. 50 mill per corp isnt to strenous. The contracts we take obviously dont cost us anything. And all in all that means you pay for one war (some chose to pay for more) and you share in the pool of 80.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect. It was floated as a rumor a while back but it is actualy impossible to do it.
The isk seriously isnt a problem. 50 mill per corp isnt to strenous. The contracts we take obviously dont cost us anything. And all in all that means you pay for one war (some chose to pay for more) and you share in the pool of 80.
SKUNK
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