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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:21:00 -
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What the privateer's are doing is pretty cool idea and is more than likely very fun for them. Empire is far to safe for my liking and if i had my way, would be turned into 0.0 but alas, it's not up to me. If you are careful and travel fit/use scout's and intel channel's, you should be okay.
Just don't go afk flying through empire with a war on and moan that you got killed, this game isn't MEANT to be played afk. I have little to no interest in empire so thee war's don't affect me, but the time's i do need to travel through for whatever reason, i am alway's vigilant
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:21:00 -
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What the privateer's are doing is pretty cool idea and is more than likely very fun for them. Empire is far to safe for my liking and if i had my way, would be turned into 0.0 but alas, it's not up to me. If you are careful and travel fit/use scout's and intel channel's, you should be okay.
Just don't go afk flying through empire with a war on and moan that you got killed, this game isn't MEANT to be played afk. I have little to no interest in empire so thee war's don't affect me, but the time's i do need to travel through for whatever reason, i am alway's vigilant
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:39:00 -
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i know the answer...
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
(some time ago the advice for whinners was to go back to empire thank god this is not the case anymore)
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:00:00 -
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 Originally by: papaPadla
i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
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Xyux
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:20:00 -
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If I am not mistaked, EVE is meant to be RPG, at least minimally. Did you ever read those 'in-game world' newletters? As all characters in EVE are human (more or less), behavior psichology, law systems must be human-like too. And, apart this wardeccing system, it is. There are factions (like states), which defends their property and space with guns, patrols etc. There is CONCORD, as a police (did you read their moto?). There are areas with high security, with kinda lower security (like brooklyn or whatever) and out-of state territories (0.0), where you can do whatever you afford to do. But... wardeccing drops out of this system, it's unnatural.
Imagine US, for example, and a group of, well, say, skinheads, paying 100$ (one hundred bucks) (50mil ISK is 1-2 day of simpliest ratting/missioning solo) to... whom?.. say, FTB (as they want to kill everywhere in US) or Senate, and getting the right (?) to kill/rob/steal whatever wherever whenever. I believe it is possible to bribe one drunk cop somewhere in a middle of nowhere with those 100$, but not the entire world, for god's cake...
If most of EVE players want this wardeccing, let it be, but let's make it more 'real', let's make it natural in-game feature. I am not whinning :) I promised my CEO to do no whinning.
My ideas:
1. Enlaw wardeccing in more 'natural' way, storymakers must think of better scenario than it is;
2. 50mil is not a money even for average player, let alone corps and alliances. Make it pricier than just 1 day of ratting solo  ...
3. Differentiate cost/features: person vs person(s), person vs corporation(s), cororation vs corporation(s), etc.
4. Let persons/corporations/alliances hire CONCORD for protection 
Also, other areas of law-enforcement must be reviewed, for example, thieving (high-sec). At the moment, thieving is, actually, unprosecuted. Game mechanics work if favor of thief now. And stop that demagogy - 'hire protection!!!111', noobs can't hire anyone, they surely can't fight back (exept if thief is noob too) and they are not aware of game mechanics, so they usually loose not only the loot/ore/whatever, but their ships also. That's not natural, i don't think it's right.
EVE is made by humans (i believe most of CCP folks are humans, not BoBs), which can make mistakes/loose control/miss things, it's living and ever-changing and if there are things most people say 'bad', let's make it better! I pay to have fun, not to adopt to every hole in rules, left by drunk dev 
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GHuntress
Caldari
Death Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: papaPadla
i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
Extremly uintelligent response
That situation you are refering to, is solved, if you still fell ungratified...delete your char stop paying for EVE. Problem solved.
BTW, i have nothing against Privateers, they add fun and exitment ingame, i do mind the lynch mob attitude banana torres has, but i guess it steams from imaturity
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Aille Pluthrak
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: TKarrde
They're just little kids with no idea how to play the game.
Since you seem to know how to play the game could you inform me how I am suppose to play the game.
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:10:00 -
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I see no problem in them using the war declaration system to fight people.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:53:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: papaPadla
i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
Your an idiot. You were born and idiot, went to a school for idiot's, took advanced lesson's on idioism at uni and got a job as a village idot. They then go tall the village idot's of all the villages on earth and made a village and made you the village idot. Seriously though, don't slate someone you don't know with moronic crap like that, makes you looik like an, ahem, idiot
BoB vs the coalition of family value's |
Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.14 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
This is incorrect. It was floated as a rumor a while back but it is actualy impossible to do it.
The isk seriously isnt a problem. 50 mill per corp isnt to strenous. The contracts we take obviously dont cost us anything. And all in all that means you pay for one war (some chose to pay for more) and you share in the pool of 80.
So how does it work then? Doesn't the cost of a war dec increase as you make more of them?
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Vizranuh
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Posted - 2007.03.14 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Vizranuh on 14/03/2007 06:48:39
Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: papaPadla
i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
Your an idiot. You were born and idiot, went to a school for idiot's, took advanced lesson's on idioism at uni and got a job as a village idot. They then go tall the village idot's of all the villages on earth and made a village and made you the village idot. Seriously though, don't slate someone you don't know with moronic crap like that, makes you looik like an, ahem, idiot
lollers. It's always quite amusing when someone calls someone else an idiot, all the while their own post is riddled with spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, and the incorrect use of certain words. mmmhypocrisy.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.14 07:12:00 -
[72]
Interesting thread
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar
Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.14 07:36:00 -
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Privateers has been pushing the envelope that's very true. I do believe they are using the war declaration system in a way that was not intended. In essence they are seeking to create a 0.0 situation in Empire instead of using the game mechanism already provided for that by actually going to low sec or 0.0.
If they keep on it is likely at some future point they will force CCP to make changes.
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Ferreus Delazar
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Posted - 2007.03.14 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ferreus Delazar on 14/03/2007 11:50:23
This was not intended.. Ignore it.
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Ferreus Malukar
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.14 11:53:00 -
[75]
Well after reading through this topic, I now understand the privateers point of view. That large corps are 0.0 stuff and the rest is highsec seems to make sense. But looks like i am somewhere in the middle.
I am a member of a D2 corp, but not a full member yet, which means I still have to survive mainly by myself. Last weekend, I lost one ship each day, a Hoarder and a Thrasher, just because of the D2-Privateer war. Not thread to anyone, no cargo. This sucks.
Great, i already was nearly bankrupt.
Then, trying to get some ISK by ratting, I got my brandnew BC (from less poor times) nearly blown up - it was my last remaining ship and not covered by insurance because lack of ISK - just because some guy wanted revenge for a D2-gatecamp. At least he accepted my last Million ISK as ransom. This one was no Privateer, I just want to point out that there are still other menaces besides Privateer, which to avoid I spend around 1/3 of my game time.
Looks like, in times like this, joining a corp as a newb to get some useful advise an introduction into the game ends up as suicide.
As you Privateers make my game so "exciting", I hope that you start honoring ransom and stop podkilling sometime! Or maybe I just ran across the sadistic ones...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.14 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Enders Vaal
What I find funny is the mass of corporations that always post about getting war dec'd by Privateers, but in the end they do nothing about it. These corps let the Privateers fight on Privateer terms, not on their own.
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
So your suggestion is:
join with perfect stranger, possibly a past or future Privateers (for all I know it is not possible to check if a corporation was part of an alliance in the past) or a Lofty, to fight privateers?
This will require a level of thrust hard to get in EVE.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.14 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ferreus Malukar
As you Privateers make my game so "exciting", I hope that you start honoring ransom and stop podkilling sometime! Or maybe I just ran across the sadistic ones...
That isone of the difficulties, too.
With other pirate corporation/alliances you can get a feeling if they will respect a ransom or not.
Privateers haven't a policy about that, so 1 corp will get the ransom and then kill you, another will respect it.
In the end the only credible option is not to thrust them to respect the ransom.
And that is a damage even for the "honest" one.
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ED Grubermann
Boot To The Head
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Posted - 2007.03.14 13:03:00 -
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i prefer to look at it this way...
if i wardec privateers, i get a target rich environment all over eve high sec, and usually around gates. Easy to find, bundle and take with you home.
What more can a man want?
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 14:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ferreus Malukar
As you Privateers make my game so "exciting", I hope that you start honoring ransom and stop podkilling sometime! Or maybe I just ran across the sadistic ones...
That isone of the difficulties, too.
With other pirate corporation/alliances you can get a feeling if they will respect a ransom or not.
Privateers haven't a policy about that, so 1 corp will get the ransom and then kill you, another will respect it.
In the end the only credible option is not to thrust them to respect the ransom.
And that is a damage even for the "honest" one.
Not honouring a ransom is basicaly cutting your own throat. It will also antagonise all other pirates. I rarely offer them but if i do they are always honoured.
SKUNK
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Sol Halcon
Minmatar
The Exile Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.14 14:27:00 -
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One of the major features that kept me in EVE is the fact that you are never really safe. You always gotta keep your guard up, keep your ship insured, etc... When ever I launch I figure this ship is gone, bringing her home is a bonus.
I been through the MMO guantlet. I hate Honor guard tags, overt flags, PvP instances etc... Space probably is, and in the MMO world, should be unforgiving and dangerous. You screw up, get lazy, get careless or complacent, you pay the piper. Period point blank.
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Friggz
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Privateer alliance causes high security systems to be more dangerous for members of most large corps and alliances, than low sec's. They have 40+ offwars, half of EVE in war with them. They making Empire as pirate paradise now.
If an area isn't secure don't go there. If you really have to go there go there with an alt thats not in a warring corp. If your main has to go hire protection.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Yes, they have many enemies in each system, but these enemies are not connected among other.
Get connected. If Privateers is completely destroying so many corps why aren't there CEOs meeting to discuss forming a mutually benefical defense? No one is stopping them.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
And sometimes they are enemies to each other.
If Privateers are a big enough threat corps would make a truce to fight back. If they're a minor problem, then they won't. Its all a matter of pressure. A big enough threat will bring even bitter enemies to the table. During WWII the USA and Russia didn't particularly like eachother but neither one had any hesistation at allying against the Axis.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Privateers just killing one LV member, then killing BOB member, then killing RA member. Their enemies often can't fight together.
Can't? No, you mean won't. If they won't take the time to organize themselves its not the Privateers fault or CCPs fault for that matter. We live in the age of communication, if you can't think of a way for people in multiple corps to communicate with eachother in an age of iirc chat, instant messages, and VoiP servers your not thinking hard enough.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
And they not only declares wars to PvP alliances. All large trade corporations are ander terror now. They has no chances in fight, they are industrial\logistics, and they has no place to safe fly now.
CCP, do you want disband of large peaceful industrial corps?
No, CCP DOES however want Industrial corps to have to deal with logistical problems. One such problem is the threat of priacy and war deccs. Every corporation be it 'peaceful' or not should either have their own security wing or hire out to merc corps. Every corp. I don't care if your peaceful or not, because the world you live in isn't.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Do you want all who don't like PvP to leave your game? If not, please return high secs to your customers. We need war limit. As i know, most agressive alliances almost never had more than 5 wars. Make the 5 war limit and get these pirates back to low secs. Because payment for war doesn't work to limit the wars.
You want CCP to take regulation out of the players hands. Right now what limits wars is the amount that the warring corp can handle. Privateers is taking advantage of the fact that they can war everyone they want because people refuse to learn to defend themselves or fight back. The way you beat people like this is by starving them.
Everytime you go into a high traffic area you bring enough fire power to repel them so either they can't fight or if they do it costs them dearly. You organize your defenses, move in packs, don't go afk, don't use auto pilot, fit your ships to run blockades, hire mercs, make a security branch for your corp repsoncable for protecting corp assets, communicate with the enemy of your enemy and make them your friend.
No one is defenseless unless they choose to be. If you want to beat privateers deny them the thing they want: Easy kills. When your alliance stops being unprotected indies and starts being a series of unwinnable fights then privateers will no longer want to war you. Blowing up their ships is not how you win this battle, starving them of the reason they are fighting is the key.
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
White-Noise
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Privateer alliance causes high security systems to be more dangerous for members of most large corps and alliances, than low sec's. They have 40+ offwars, half of EVE in war with them. They making Empire as pirate paradise now.
You may say "What's problem? They have as many targets as enemies to shoot them". That's a bit wrong. Yes, they have many enemies in each system, but these enemies are not connected among other. And sometimes they are enemies to each other. Privateers just killing one LV member, then killing BOB member, then killing RA member. Their enemies often can't fight together.
And, Privateer alliance isn't an alliance as other EVE alliances. This is just the pirate service, that grants them rights to shoot many targets in high sec's. Yes, for ISK. To use this service, corporation must pay some ISK, that goes to war payments. More and more pirate corporations are using this service. Too many privateers in empire now.
And they not only declares wars to PvP alliances. All large trade corporations are ander terror now. They has no chances in fight, they are industrial\logistics, and they has no place to safe fly now.
CCP, do you want disband of large peaceful industrial corps? Do you want all who don't like PvP to leave your game? If not, please return high secs to your customers. We need war limit. As i know, most agressive alliances almost never had more than 5 wars. Make the 5 war limit and get these pirates back to low secs. Because payment for war doesn't work to limit the wars.
So join privs with an alt already 
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:56:00 -
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Why won't this thread die?
Also doesn't this belong in Corporation and Alliance discussion?
Privateers are great btw, they provide lots of interesting things to salvage at gates.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor."
-Albert Einstein
Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
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Turin
Caldari
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 14/03/2007 17:14:44
Originally by: Enders Vaal
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
Because privateers are a bunch of pansy wussys who fly nothing but nano fleets, and who run and dock as soon as there is a HINT of a fair fight.
What a bunch of loosers.
You canot win against Privateers. They will NOT fight you on any even terms. They will hide and dock.
You cannot attack any infistructure they have. They have none.
There is no answer to privateers given the current game mechanics. You cant stop them. They wont engage you unless its almost a certainty they will win, and they have no assets they need to be made to deffend.
Everyone wants to compare 0.0 corps making 0.0 unsafe for empire corps, vrs Priv making empire unsafe for 0.0 corps.
The differance is. Corps in 0.0 have assets they must protect. They can be put into a deffensive mode. Empire wussies cannot be made to fight deffensivly. There is no mechanic to force that.
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Beetle Boy
1. Privateer allaince doesn't make high sec systems more dangerous for memebers. I see almost all war target from BoB RA and LV in shuttles so i don't see that a problem
2. Privateers offers corps and people a allaince with no politics bull****
3. Industrail and Logistic allaince then should hire protection or even better recurit a few pvp corps to there allaince to fight back
4. War Limit! Your just stupid how is BoB going to have the ragooncad2 and friends.
We might have many targets but most are shuttles or nano'ed or stabbed and even if we do get a kill we make no money due to loot thiefs so Inspector Sidorenkova live wth or as Evolution say "Those who cannot adapt become victims of Privateers like Evolution".
To be fair the PA are simply a collection of War Corps anyway Hybrid Syndicate previously war dec'd to get empire kills, now they are part of an Alliance that does the same. Nothings changed. Some say there lamers who are scared of 0.0 but getting podded by Hybrid Syndicate made me realise the larger potential of Eve-O, and work towards being able to stand up for myself....
The irony is that being in a High Sec alliance was once the protection from being 'decc'd' for newer corps (particually one with newer players).
They ain't so good as they cannot be killed. The word of the day is probably Frig swarms....
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:34:00 -
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Yeah, it was neat for a while.. but now it is quickly getting boorish. Its warn out and takes energy away from the really interesting things this game has to offer.
The only function they serve now, at least for me, it to get me jumping from one system to another.
If I have a 20+ jump back to empire, I get a shuttle, I look for a PA and wait for him to notice me and pod me so I can get back t empire quickly without waiting 24hr for a jump clone.
For me, they are much faster version of the Jump Clone service.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:06:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Turin
Edited by: Turin on 14/03/2007 17:14:44
Originally by: Enders Vaal
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
Because privateers are a bunch of pansy wussys who fly nothing but nano fleets, and who run and dock as soon as there is a HINT of a fair fight.
What a bunch of loosers.
You canot win against Privateers. They will NOT fight you on any even terms. They will hide and dock.
You cannot attack any infistructure they have. They have none.
There is no answer to privateers given the current game mechanics. You cant stop them. They wont engage you unless its almost a certainty they will win, and they have no assets they need to be made to deffend.
Everyone wants to compare 0.0 corps making 0.0 unsafe for empire corps, vrs Priv making empire unsafe for 0.0 corps.
The differance is. Corps in 0.0 have assets they must protect. They can be put into a deffensive mode. Empire wussies cannot be made to fight deffensivly. There is no mechanic to force that.
LOL!
If what you say is true, then you have just given the solution to the "problem".
You say that they will run and dock with any hint of a fair fight? Do you really believe that? Then there is your answer!
DUH!
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Redpants
Gallente
Dead Eagle
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
What's the point for CONCORD and theese tons of centry guns? If you can just pay them 50 or 100kk ISK and get as many targets as you have money for.
Then remove CONCORD, remove payment for war. Theese things doesn't work.
Because...CONCORD is crooked. Welcome to my point taken from within the perspective of the story line.
Outside that concerning the game itself, I love what's going on. All of the game is at war right now. There's few corps or alliances left untouched. If your not directly involved in the War of New Eden you're invovled in the Privateer empire campaign. It's a great time to be playing EVE and I've never seen anything like this. Wrecks at damn near every gate, corpses everwhere, you can't go anyplace in the galaxy high sec or no sec without the recent evidence of conflict.
In a game that's about survival of the fittest, thrive or die on the vine.
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Blind Man
Kemono.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:32:00 -
[89]
Waaaaah 
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:50:00 -
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What exactly is a 'fair fight?' Opponents evenly matched in ship setup and skill? If so, I doubt there's more than a few 'fair fights' since the first year of the game.
Ok, I can't believe a newbie has to tell you this, but here's how you gank privateers any time you like as many times as you like.
1. Login trap.
2. Bait hauler fitted with a scram.
You have the advantage. You can use an alt to scan the privateer ships. You control when and where and how the gank goes down. You decide whether your gank fleet is sufficient to engage at the time or not. You spend minutes a day making the game fun for the privateers the exact same way they make it fun for hauler pilots. With a bit of practice your victims will wake up in their clone feeling like the goatse guy every time with no losses except possibly a 500k hauler.
Everyone wins!
What more could you possibly want?
Happy ganking!
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