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Shiva Shane
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:06:00 -
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Maybe you could try providing security for your operations? Or paying someone else to provide it? Call it, the cost of doing business.
Perhaps rather than demanding that EVE be changed to allow you to play as yuou choose you should alter your playstyle to fit into the fabric of the EVE universe.
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Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova All who wants us to fight Privateers... Are you Privatters yourself? You should know, Privateers are UNBEATABLE. Why? I said, they are not like other alliances. They are pirate service. If some of their corps getting tired of war, they just stop pay for this service and leave alliance. And another bored corps join at their place. And again and again. They don't need to protect their stations or POSes, like 0.0 alliances. You cannot win.
No one is unbeatable in EvE that assertion is way off the mark.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:11:00 -
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I'm in another Privateers thread. -
If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm in another Privateers thread.
Make a tally in your sig
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
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Slave 775
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Squirl
Originally by: Masochistic Cannibal
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Join my corp? It owns Privateers.
I want the real Jenny back !!!
Cannibal
QFT!, the real Jenny would turn around in her grave reading the crap this guy is saying on the forums...
geez
Think it would put a smile on her face, seeing the grief they put on us with this guy.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:20:00 -
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Actually, now that I think about it, what they are doing is actually pretty neat. It adds spice to the game. If anything it will get high sec mission runners to move down to low sec which if I understand correctly is what CCP is looking for.
Anything that improves the game, I am supporting. Even if it means sifding with an ebil, mean, nasty pilot who is lacking both vitamins c and d. (I hope someone gets that)
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm in another Privateers thread.
Make a tally in your sig
That would require going back and counting. Eve-Search may be of use here... -
If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
Nathan Grey
Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova Privateer alliance causes high security systems to be more dangerous for members of most large corps and alliances, than low sec's. They have 40+ offwars, half of EVE in war with them. They making Empire as pirate paradise now. You may say "What's problem? They have as many targets as enemies to shoot them". That's a bit wrong. Yes, they have many enemies in each system, but these enemies are not connected among other. And sometimes they are enemies to each other. Privateers just killing one LV member, then killing BOB member, then killing RA member. Their enemies often can't fight together. And, Privateer alliance isn't an alliance as other EVE alliances. This is just the pirate service, that grants them rights to shoot many targets in high sec's. Yes, for ISK. To use this service, corporation must pay some ISK, that goes to war payments. More and more pirate corporations are using this service. Too many privateers in empire now. And they not only declares wars to PvP alliances. All large trade corporations are ander terror now. They has no chances in fight, they are industrial\logistics, and they has no place to safe fly now. CCP, do you want disband of large peaceful industrial corps? Do you want all who don't like PvP to leave your game? If not, please return high secs to your customers. We need war limit. As i know, most agressive alliances almost never had more than 5 wars. Make the 5 war limit and get these pirates back to low secs. Because payment for war doesn't work to limit the wars.
Highsec isn't supposed to be safe, it's just safer. Just because you don't want to learn how to fly around those 30,000 other pilots doesn't mean that they won't fly into you.
Privateers are just as politically active as everyone else. They shoot people they don't like. Which is everybody.
Welcome to Eve. Med center's that way, new ship market this way. ----------------------------------
Industrialist. I build it. You buy it. You break it and buy another one. Market domination through ingue ferrogue. (I did this and could have stopped it.) |
Cpt Angus
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:35:00 -
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The balance is simply this,
Alliances make 0.0 unsafe for all not in thier Alliance.
In the same way Privateers makes empire unsafe for all those who are in an Alliance.
As for anyone else, adapt and overcome there are ways and means. Theres no need for empire alliances.
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hedfunk
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova All who wants us to fight Privateers... Are you Privatters yourself? You should know, Privateers are UNBEATABLE. Why? I said, they are not like other alliances. They are pirate service. If some of their corps getting tired of war, they just stop pay for this service and leave alliance. And another bored corps join at their place. And again and again. They don't need to protect their stations or POSes, like 0.0 alliances. You cannot win.
lol you're an idiot, it's not hard to avoid privateers tbh.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:42:00 -
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Naw it's fine, but I used to think differently.
As is, a lot of n00bs are getting paid indirectly by stealing from them, so it's a n00b benefit, really.
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Herz Darkpriest
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: hedfunk lol you're an idiot, it's not hard to avoid privateers tbh.
Said privateer... Wolf said to lamb "It was not hard to avoid me", lol. Ok, what can you say to tiger then? I don't know why you are not in my killboard yet, but i will fix this problem as quick as i can. Try to avoid me.
That's for "idiot"
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Herz Darkpriest
Originally by: hedfunk lol you're an idiot, it's not hard to avoid privateers tbh.
Said privateer... Wolf said to lamb "It was not hard to avoid me", lol. Ok, what can you say to tiger then? I don't know why you are not in my killboard yet, but i will fix this problem as quick as i can. Try to avoid me.
That's for "idiot"
Also I am coming in my many titans and motherships and will be ganking of privateers soon.
Make your time. -
If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
Celeste Coeval
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm in another Privateers thread.
Make a tally in your sig
That would require going back and counting. Eve-Search may be of use here...
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
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Blue Tsunami
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:44:00 -
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Said privateer... Wolf said to lamb "It was not hard to avoid me", lol. Ok, what can you say to tiger then? I don't know why you are not in my killboard yet, but i will fix this problem as quick as i can. Try to avoid me.
That's for "idiot"
Thank you for saying it better than I would have and before me. I'm too old for name calling on a video game forum. Especially on an EvE forum.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:49:00 -
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This has been discussed a billion times.
If you want to avoid privateers:
1. have your haulers in NPC corps.
That's it. Done. Finis.
Yes, it's inconvenient. But temporary. Once the prats run out of haulers to gank, they'll get bored and leave.
If you keep feeding them it's your own fault they keep ganking you.
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Privateers now have a lot of wars.
I would have have thought that their less combat-orientated enemies would have thought of banding together for mutual protection, clubbing together to hire mercenaries, or passing intel onto the people who are at war and know to fight them.
All of those things would be more fun than moaning.
I dont think people care enough.
Yes, PA is annoying as all hell, but its not like corps are really threatened by them for the most part.
They have no cohesive strategy against any ONE corp or alliance, their targeting is one of chance and opportunity. So no one really needs to form a cohesive alliance to protect AGAINST them.
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:24:00 -
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I don't see why everyone that gets war dec'd by privs doesn't make it mutual. By the end of the week thats 100 wars they can't back out of when they are getting bbq'd. At the end of the month thats 1000 happy corps slaughtering privs where ever they turn up. At the end of the year privs will no longer exist, and who could, being at war with 25000 ppl a day.....
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Trading 101 Kaaii-Net Research Labs
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Enders Vaal
SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:12:00 -
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What I find funny is the mass of corporations that always post about getting war dec'd by Privateers, but in the end they do nothing about it. These corps let the Privateers fight on Privateer terms, not on their own.
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by? ---
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Enders Vaal Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
Because that would be a capital waste of time, putting your hauler alts in noob corps is much more convenient.
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Lone Solo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:27:00 -
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Best way to deal with stuff like this is to use the game mechanics against them.
There is no rule that states you have to fight a war, your options are to all leave the corp or be station bound for a while.
If you are part of an alliance or 0.0 corp then you should be able to defend yourself, if you are a highsec corp then leave the corp for a newbie one and second stage a new corp, corps arent expensive.
Now a bunch of people will claim you are abusing by doing this and that if declared you have to stick it out and fight... this is wrong.
You may always leave a corp at war, the abuse part is when you repetedly leave and rejoin a corp at war in order to be able to safelly coplete stuff while outside of the war.
Thus as long as you do not rejoin the corp at war as long as the war is in place then you are clear.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 12/03/2007 21:17:13 Thats why most corps dont wardec back
In my corps situation most of us are in 0.0. (too dangerous for PA). Maybe 2 of us are in Jita at a time doing random corp things that can only be done there, then we go back to 0.0
So there is no point us us wasting money or thought in an empty empire war that only affects 2 pilots for 3 days at a time.
We rather put our thoughts into the more interesting aspects of eve in 0.0 PvPing that actually accomplish something.
So we loose a few shuttles and move on. PA is simply not important or imposing enough to mount any effort into.
To us, they are more like jerk*ff teenagers making a ruckus in a public park that have just discovered they have some hair on their l*ttle b*lls and think they are so cool now.
Annoying, but you move on. While they waste their time, we get all the 0.0 space, fine by me.
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Uinen
Amarr Backup Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Uinen on 12/03/2007 21:03:22 1. Well every good PvPer i know wont visit empire so... 2. PA arent any threat to ppl who have alts to do empire job.
As always only weak ppl will teake hit.
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Aille Pluthrak
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
I don't see why everyone that gets war dec'd by privs doesn't make it mutual. By the end of the week thats 100 wars they can't back out of when they are getting bbq'd. At the end of the month thats 1000 happy corps slaughtering privs where ever they turn up. At the end of the year privs will no longer exist, and who could, being at war with 25000 ppl a day
I would really like this. Please do this. Some of us are getting better at this gate camping stuff. The day that everyone who is at war with the Privateers cooperate in Empire is the day the pod people have taken over the world. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
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DeadRow
Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:33:00 -
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Having loads of fun with our war with privateers. excellent fight last night in kaap If i had one problem with it would be them posting lost mail on their kb. /DeadRow
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:43:00 -
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the original OP is a well known farmer who frequents the empire parts i live in, just ignore the ISK sapping ebay selling OP - cant petition em tho because they do reply to CCP so i guess u could go NPC corp to the OP that sounds like the best idea.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Join my corp? It owns Privateers.
No more patriotic Caldari killing Gallente?
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Herz Darkpriest
Originally by: hedfunk lol you're an idiot, it's not hard to avoid privateers tbh.
Said privateer... Wolf said to lamb "It was not hard to avoid me", lol. Ok, what can you say to tiger then? I don't know why you are not in my killboard yet, but i will fix this problem as quick as i can. Try to avoid me.
That's for "idiot"
Also I am coming in my many titans and motherships and will be ganking of privateers soon.
Make your time.
All your undock ganks are belong to you?
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Beetle Boy
Minmatar Hybrid Syndicate Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova Privateer alliance causes high security systems to be more dangerous for members of most large corps and alliances, than low sec's. They have 40+ offwars, half of EVE in war with them. They making Empire as pirate paradise now. You may say "What's problem? They have as many targets as enemies to shoot them". That's a bit wrong. Yes, they have many enemies in each system, but these enemies are not connected among other. And sometimes they are enemies to each other. Privateers just killing one LV member, then killing BOB member, then killing RA member. Their enemies often can't fight together. And, Privateer alliance isn't an alliance as other EVE alliances. This is just the pirate service, that grants them rights to shoot many targets in high sec's. Yes, for ISK. To use this service, corporation must pay some ISK, that goes to war payments. More and more pirate corporations are using this service. Too many privateers in empire now. And they not only declares wars to PvP alliances. All large trade corporations are ander terror now. They has no chances in fight, they are industrial\logistics, and they has no place to safe fly now. CCP, do you want disband of large peaceful industrial corps? Do you want all who don't like PvP to leave your game? If not, please return high secs to your customers. We need war limit. As i know, most agressive alliances almost never had more than 5 wars. Make the 5 war limit and get these pirates back to low secs. Because payment for war doesn't work to limit the wars.
1. Privateer allaince doesn't make high sec systems more dangerous for memebers. I see almost all war target from BoB RA and LV in shuttles so i don't see that a problem 2. Privateers offers corps and people a allaince with no politics bull**** 3. Industrail and Logistic allaince then should hire protection or even better recurit a few pvp corps to there allaince to fight back 4. War Limit! Your just stupid how is BoB going to have the ragooncad2 and friends.
We might have many targets but most are shuttles or nano'ed or stabbed and even if we do get a kill we make no money due to loot thiefs so Inspector Sidorenkova live wth or as Evolution say "Those who cannot adapt become victims of Privateers like Evolution".
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.12 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Join my corp? It owns Privateers.
No more patriotic Caldari killing Gallente?
Make love, not war? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
I don't see why everyone that gets war dec'd by privs doesn't make it mutual. By the end of the week thats 100 wars they can't back out of when they are getting bbq'd. At the end of the month thats 1000 happy corps slaughtering privs where ever they turn up. At the end of the year privs will no longer exist, and who could, being at war with 25000 ppl a day.....
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Please do ... save us some money
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
I don't see why everyone that gets war dec'd by privs doesn't make it mutual. By the end of the week thats 100 wars they can't back out of when they are getting bbq'd. At the end of the month thats 1000 happy corps slaughtering privs where ever they turn up. At the end of the year privs will no longer exist, and who could, being at war with 25000 ppl a day.....
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Please do ... save us some money
SKUNK
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Jerusalem Man
Farmers Union
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:09:00 -
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Privateers have found away to use the alliance system to provide them with lots targets, so use the alliance system against them.
- create an alliance called Targets - any corp at war with Privateers can join - leave when you like
Help provide Privateers with targets
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Jerusalem Man
Farmers Union
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:09:00 -
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Privateers have found away to use the alliance system to provide them with lots targets, so use the alliance system against them.
- create an alliance called Targets - any corp at war with Privateers can join - leave when you like
Help provide Privateers with targets
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:31:00 -
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I've seen 1 privateer outside highsec. Ever. He died.
Leave high sec, its crap anyway.
or... https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/index.htm
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:31:00 -
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I've seen 1 privateer outside highsec. Ever. He died.
Leave high sec, its crap anyway.
or... https://signup.worldofwarcraft.com/trial/index.htm
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:38:00 -
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Yes, I agree that the mechanics that allow the privs to do what they do are unbalanced. I can for one thing understand the necessity of having the war dec option. It can be a fun and rewarding experience. What I don't agree with is that basically this gives one entity easy targets as has been mentioned and removes the fun for a lot of people imo. However, I don't agree with players being able to sit and farm away at whatever they do in empire without any pvp encounters at all since that is not what eev is about but I also think it is a bit unbalanced to allow high-sec griefing basically. Yes, I understand how to avoid them, I know about the npc corp alt hauler. What I'm saying is that there should be more risk vs reward for this type of gameplay.
Of course this is all fine and well for ccp because people will have a second account just for hauling = more isk for ccp.
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:38:00 -
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Yes, I agree that the mechanics that allow the privs to do what they do are unbalanced. I can for one thing understand the necessity of having the war dec option. It can be a fun and rewarding experience. What I don't agree with is that basically this gives one entity easy targets as has been mentioned and removes the fun for a lot of people imo. However, I don't agree with players being able to sit and farm away at whatever they do in empire without any pvp encounters at all since that is not what eev is about but I also think it is a bit unbalanced to allow high-sec griefing basically. Yes, I understand how to avoid them, I know about the npc corp alt hauler. What I'm saying is that there should be more risk vs reward for this type of gameplay.
Of course this is all fine and well for ccp because people will have a second account just for hauling = more isk for ccp.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:47:00 -
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We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game. ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:47:00 -
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We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game. ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tressia on 13/03/2007 05:01:54
Originally by: scabbsssjr We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game.
I see you're a pvp corp. Of course this is the point of view of a pvp corp. For industrial based corps however, this is not the same sentiment. Fact is, industrial based corps deal with pvp in the market as well as in space, shooting.
Not all of the industrial corps sit and make isk without any risk, not all of the industrial based corps logoff at the first sign of trouble and not all of the industrial based corps stay away from pvp. The imbalance comes when your whole time spent playing eve is dodging a hostile, whether in market or in space, that's if you make it all the while, they have plenty of empire targets in haulers to gank.
I actually enjoy pvp. What I don't fine enjoyable is the feeling of not being able to move without 30 people with me in order to go drop some items off at a market stop. What is necessary to counter priv tactics is not reasonable currently. You either have to have an npc corp alt (which is pretty silly if you ask me) or travel with a large group (which is silly if you are a smaller corp with members from different time zones).
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tressia on 13/03/2007 05:01:54
Originally by: scabbsssjr We have been deced by them for a total of 3x weeks (not bragging) and I personally think they are adding a whole new angle of gameplay. I may not like allot of their play styles, but I think they throw a new spin and for that I say they have balanced the game.
I see you're a pvp corp. Of course this is the point of view of a pvp corp. For industrial based corps however, this is not the same sentiment. Fact is, industrial based corps deal with pvp in the market as well as in space, shooting.
Not all of the industrial corps sit and make isk without any risk, not all of the industrial based corps logoff at the first sign of trouble and not all of the industrial based corps stay away from pvp. The imbalance comes when your whole time spent playing eve is dodging a hostile, whether in market or in space, that's if you make it all the while, they have plenty of empire targets in haulers to gank.
I actually enjoy pvp. What I don't fine enjoyable is the feeling of not being able to move without 30 people with me in order to go drop some items off at a market stop. What is necessary to counter priv tactics is not reasonable currently. You either have to have an npc corp alt (which is pretty silly if you ask me) or travel with a large group (which is silly if you are a smaller corp with members from different time zones).
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Liliane Woodhead
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:33:00 -
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- All join Jenny Spitfire's Corp - Disable the ability from Privateer members to talk in local .Thats sometimes more brutal to read than to be wardeced. - nerf Masochistic Cannibal's Sig - have a drink - make love not war.
Over and Out, Yours Woodhead
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Liliane Woodhead
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:33:00 -
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- All join Jenny Spitfire's Corp - Disable the ability from Privateer members to talk in local .Thats sometimes more brutal to read than to be wardeced. - nerf Masochistic Cannibal's Sig - have a drink - make love not war.
Over and Out, Yours Woodhead
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Zatch
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zatch on 13/03/2007 05:38:40 Disadvantages weathered by the Privateers: 1) They are outnumbered. 2) They are outgunned. 3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.) 4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Disadvantages weathered by their targets: 1) You can't be lazy any more, you might actually have to be at the keyboard while playing.
So who do you think is playing EVE the way it's meant to be played? I say go Privateers, you're making EVE interesting. :)
PS You industrialists should be thanking the Privateers for increasing ship/component demand. The true industrialists are playing EVE right now, building their ships and modules, transferring them to alts for transport, and then selling them just like before, while the lazy whining folk have apparently decided that building some sort of transportation infrastructure just isn't worth it. Don't worry, you'll learn eventually. ----- MLCalc Creator HW2/EVE Mod Team Leader |
Zatch
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zatch on 13/03/2007 05:38:40 Disadvantages weathered by the Privateers: 1) They are outnumbered. 2) They are outgunned. 3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.) 4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Disadvantages weathered by their targets: 1) You can't be lazy any more, you might actually have to be at the keyboard while playing.
So who do you think is playing EVE the way it's meant to be played? I say go Privateers, you're making EVE interesting. :)
PS You industrialists should be thanking the Privateers for increasing ship/component demand. The true industrialists are playing EVE right now, building their ships and modules, transferring them to alts for transport, and then selling them just like before, while the lazy whining folk have apparently decided that building some sort of transportation infrastructure just isn't worth it. Don't worry, you'll learn eventually. ----- MLCalc Creator HW2/EVE Mod Team Leader |
Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:33:00 -
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What a load of *******s
Originally by: Zatch
1) They are outnumbered.
Just occasionally they may be outnumbered by a gang that is hunting them specifically. They are rarely outnumbered otherwise. There may be more wartargets in local than there are PA but it's more than likely that all those wartargets are hostile to each other as well. They also manage to get a lot of good intel on hostile gang movements from non-PA players so they are extremely hard to catch unaware.
Originally by: Zatch
2) They are outgunned.
Same as above really and besides, they just hide in stations when they are outnumbered
Originally by: Zatch
3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.)
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
Originally by: Zatch
4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Yes, you must be vigilant, never know when you will run into that 0.0 dweller zipping through empire in their shuttle or stabbed up hauler. They are very dangerous
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:33:00 -
[48]
What a load of *******s
Originally by: Zatch
1) They are outnumbered.
Just occasionally they may be outnumbered by a gang that is hunting them specifically. They are rarely outnumbered otherwise. There may be more wartargets in local than there are PA but it's more than likely that all those wartargets are hostile to each other as well. They also manage to get a lot of good intel on hostile gang movements from non-PA players so they are extremely hard to catch unaware.
Originally by: Zatch
2) They are outgunned.
Same as above really and besides, they just hide in stations when they are outnumbered
Originally by: Zatch
3) They are spending an enormous amount of money on wardecs (although it is covered by corps that join them, for the most part.)
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
Originally by: Zatch
4) They must be constantly vigilant, always traveling carefully because of the huge number of targets, always watching the local channel, always assessing the odds.
Yes, you must be vigilant, never know when you will run into that 0.0 dweller zipping through empire in their shuttle or stabbed up hauler. They are very dangerous
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TKarrde
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:50:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Toria Nynys This has been discussed a billion times.
If you want to avoid privateers:
1. have your haulers in NPC corps.
That's it. Done. Finis.
Yes, it's inconvenient. But temporary. Once the prats run out of haulers to gank, they'll get bored and leave.
If you keep feeding them it's your own fault they keep ganking you.
Quoted for truth. Privateers watch these threads pop up on the Eve-O forums and giggle themselves silly at all the attention they're getting. They're just little kids with no idea how to play the game. Stop glorifying them and get an alt hauler. Problem solved.
And, for the record, my corp/alliance HAS been wardecced by them before. We found creative ways to force them to leave us alone (Privateers aren't the only people who know how to exploit game mechanics).
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TKarrde
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:50:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Toria Nynys This has been discussed a billion times.
If you want to avoid privateers:
1. have your haulers in NPC corps.
That's it. Done. Finis.
Yes, it's inconvenient. But temporary. Once the prats run out of haulers to gank, they'll get bored and leave.
If you keep feeding them it's your own fault they keep ganking you.
Quoted for truth. Privateers watch these threads pop up on the Eve-O forums and giggle themselves silly at all the attention they're getting. They're just little kids with no idea how to play the game. Stop glorifying them and get an alt hauler. Problem solved.
And, for the record, my corp/alliance HAS been wardecced by them before. We found creative ways to force them to leave us alone (Privateers aren't the only people who know how to exploit game mechanics).
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Bangoura
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:17:00 -
[51]
People read all the normal whines about Privateers and believe it all to be true.
You'd probably be surprised about the amount of haulers we don't kill compared to combat ships. I've killed six times more battleships than I have haulers, eight times more battlecruisers than I have mining barges. Of the top ten systems where I have recent kills, at least three systems are in 0.0 space. We have more than a few Capital ship kills too. We also thanks to some very game empire corps engage in some great medium size fleet battles, it's good fun giving the noobies something to watch, especially enjoyed 2 great fights with I think it was TNT a couple of nights back. Props to them and others who come to fight us.
We're told "real pvpers" play im 0.0. Well, I don't know many Privateers who haven't been in 0.0. Hours on end camping gates with no sign of targets, jumping into fleet battles to then die to lag, whiny kids screaming orders on TS, most of the so called hardcore PvPers I met in 0.0 were some of the biggest carebears you'll ever find. I didn't find it much fun at all.
Now wherever I go I have targets, it's rare I'll enter a system with more than 10 in local that doesn't have hostiles, and that covers 0.0, low sec and high sec. I love it, you have to keep on your toes all the time, there's always a fight or a chase to be had, you can be ganked or gank on pretty much any gate you might arrive it. For me it's Eve on the edge, if you haven't experienced it you have no idea what it's like, people talk about us like we're a huge nasty power, the reality is we're nearly always the underdog.
It's the most fun I've ever had in Eve, I love it, and I'm proud to be a Privateer.
These comments are of course my own and are not spoken on behalf of my corps or alliance.
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Bangoura
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:17:00 -
[52]
People read all the normal whines about Privateers and believe it all to be true.
You'd probably be surprised about the amount of haulers we don't kill compared to combat ships. I've killed six times more battleships than I have haulers, eight times more battlecruisers than I have mining barges. Of the top ten systems where I have recent kills, at least three systems are in 0.0 space. We have more than a few Capital ship kills too. We also thanks to some very game empire corps engage in some great medium size fleet battles, it's good fun giving the noobies something to watch, especially enjoyed 2 great fights with I think it was TNT a couple of nights back. Props to them and others who come to fight us.
We're told "real pvpers" play im 0.0. Well, I don't know many Privateers who haven't been in 0.0. Hours on end camping gates with no sign of targets, jumping into fleet battles to then die to lag, whiny kids screaming orders on TS, most of the so called hardcore PvPers I met in 0.0 were some of the biggest carebears you'll ever find. I didn't find it much fun at all.
Now wherever I go I have targets, it's rare I'll enter a system with more than 10 in local that doesn't have hostiles, and that covers 0.0, low sec and high sec. I love it, you have to keep on your toes all the time, there's always a fight or a chase to be had, you can be ganked or gank on pretty much any gate you might arrive it. For me it's Eve on the edge, if you haven't experienced it you have no idea what it's like, people talk about us like we're a huge nasty power, the reality is we're nearly always the underdog.
It's the most fun I've ever had in Eve, I love it, and I'm proud to be a Privateer.
These comments are of course my own and are not spoken on behalf of my corps or alliance.
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Jared Jaws
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:20:00 -
[53]
I hope that most of the players know that these who whine here about PA are 85% trolls and 15% who fly their frieghters afk in empire cos they are just too lazy.
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Jared Jaws
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:20:00 -
[54]
I hope that most of the players know that these who whine here about PA are 85% trolls and 15% who fly their frieghters afk in empire cos they are just too lazy.
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Frozen Light
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:21:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Frozen Light on 13/03/2007 10:31:45 ^ That was me, i hate this posting system :(
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Frozen Light
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:21:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Frozen Light on 13/03/2007 10:31:45 ^ That was me, i hate this posting system :(
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:54:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect, every week I, along with every CEO in the mighty Privateer Alliance, have to send 50M to the alliance to pay for the war decs.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:54:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect, every week I, along with every CEO in the mighty Privateer Alliance, have to send 50M to the alliance to pay for the war decs.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:07:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect. It was floated as a rumor a while back but it is actualy impossible to do it.
The isk seriously isnt a problem. 50 mill per corp isnt to strenous. The contracts we take obviously dont cost us anything. And all in all that means you pay for one war (some chose to pay for more) and you share in the pool of 80.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:07:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Maglorre
My understanding is that they avoid the enourmous expense of multiple wardecs by having individual corps do the decs rather than do it as an alliance... but that's kinda hearsay and I've not seen any concrete proof of this. Please correct me if I'm misinformed as I've never played with the interface myself.
This is incorrect. It was floated as a rumor a while back but it is actualy impossible to do it.
The isk seriously isnt a problem. 50 mill per corp isnt to strenous. The contracts we take obviously dont cost us anything. And all in all that means you pay for one war (some chose to pay for more) and you share in the pool of 80.
SKUNK
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:21:00 -
[61]
What the privateer's are doing is pretty cool idea and is more than likely very fun for them. Empire is far to safe for my liking and if i had my way, would be turned into 0.0 but alas, it's not up to me. If you are careful and travel fit/use scout's and intel channel's, you should be okay.
Just don't go afk flying through empire with a war on and moan that you got killed, this game isn't MEANT to be played afk. I have little to no interest in empire so thee war's don't affect me, but the time's i do need to travel through for whatever reason, i am alway's vigilant
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:21:00 -
[62]
What the privateer's are doing is pretty cool idea and is more than likely very fun for them. Empire is far to safe for my liking and if i had my way, would be turned into 0.0 but alas, it's not up to me. If you are careful and travel fit/use scout's and intel channel's, you should be okay.
Just don't go afk flying through empire with a war on and moan that you got killed, this game isn't MEANT to be played afk. I have little to no interest in empire so thee war's don't affect me, but the time's i do need to travel through for whatever reason, i am alway's vigilant
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papaPadla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:39:00 -
[63]
i know the answer...
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed (some time ago the advice for whinners was to go back to empire thank god this is not the case anymore) -------------------------------------
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:00:00 -
[64]
Originally by: papaPadla i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
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Xyux
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:20:00 -
[65]
If I am not mistaked, EVE is meant to be RPG, at least minimally. Did you ever read those 'in-game world' newletters? As all characters in EVE are human (more or less), behavior psichology, law systems must be human-like too. And, apart this wardeccing system, it is. There are factions (like states), which defends their property and space with guns, patrols etc. There is CONCORD, as a police (did you read their moto?). There are areas with high security, with kinda lower security (like brooklyn or whatever) and out-of state territories (0.0), where you can do whatever you afford to do. But... wardeccing drops out of this system, it's unnatural.
Imagine US, for example, and a group of, well, say, skinheads, paying 100$ (one hundred bucks) (50mil ISK is 1-2 day of simpliest ratting/missioning solo) to... whom?.. say, FTB (as they want to kill everywhere in US) or Senate, and getting the right (?) to kill/rob/steal whatever wherever whenever. I believe it is possible to bribe one drunk cop somewhere in a middle of nowhere with those 100$, but not the entire world, for god's cake...
If most of EVE players want this wardeccing, let it be, but let's make it more 'real', let's make it natural in-game feature. I am not whinning :) I promised my CEO to do no whinning.
My ideas: 1. Enlaw wardeccing in more 'natural' way, storymakers must think of better scenario than it is; 2. 50mil is not a money even for average player, let alone corps and alliances. Make it pricier than just 1 day of ratting solo ... 3. Differentiate cost/features: person vs person(s), person vs corporation(s), cororation vs corporation(s), etc. 4. Let persons/corporations/alliances hire CONCORD for protection
Also, other areas of law-enforcement must be reviewed, for example, thieving (high-sec). At the moment, thieving is, actually, unprosecuted. Game mechanics work if favor of thief now. And stop that demagogy - 'hire protection!!!111', noobs can't hire anyone, they surely can't fight back (exept if thief is noob too) and they are not aware of game mechanics, so they usually loose not only the loot/ore/whatever, but their ships also. That's not natural, i don't think it's right.
EVE is made by humans (i believe most of CCP folks are humans, not BoBs), which can make mistakes/loose control/miss things, it's living and ever-changing and if there are things most people say 'bad', let's make it better! I pay to have fun, not to adopt to every hole in rules, left by drunk dev
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GHuntress
Caldari Death Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.13 13:25:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: papaPadla i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
Extremly uintelligent response
That situation you are refering to, is solved, if you still fell ungratified...delete your char stop paying for EVE. Problem solved.
BTW, i have nothing against Privateers, they add fun and exitment ingame, i do mind the lynch mob attitude banana torres has, but i guess it steams from imaturity Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Aille Pluthrak
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.13 14:10:00 -
[67]
Originally by: TKarrde They're just little kids with no idea how to play the game.
Since you seem to know how to play the game could you inform me how I am suppose to play the game. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
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Benco97
Gallente Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:10:00 -
[68]
I see no problem in them using the war declaration system to fight people.
"MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum |
fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:53:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: papaPadla i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
Your an idiot. You were born and idiot, went to a school for idiot's, took advanced lesson's on idioism at uni and got a job as a village idot. They then go tall the village idot's of all the villages on earth and made a village and made you the village idot. Seriously though, don't slate someone you don't know with moronic crap like that, makes you looik like an, ahem, idiot
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.14 06:35:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Le Skunk
This is incorrect. It was floated as a rumor a while back but it is actualy impossible to do it.
The isk seriously isnt a problem. 50 mill per corp isnt to strenous. The contracts we take obviously dont cost us anything. And all in all that means you pay for one war (some chose to pay for more) and you share in the pool of 80.
So how does it work then? Doesn't the cost of a war dec increase as you make more of them?
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Vizranuh
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Posted - 2007.03.14 06:51:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Vizranuh on 14/03/2007 06:48:39
Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: papaPadla i know the answer...
Only cause your pet Dev told you the answer.
Originally by: papaPadla
why don't you just go back to the noob corps... those can't be war dec'ed
Look Ma, a cheatin' BoBette is posting in a Privateers thread.
Your an idiot. You were born and idiot, went to a school for idiot's, took advanced lesson's on idioism at uni and got a job as a village idot. They then go tall the village idot's of all the villages on earth and made a village and made you the village idot. Seriously though, don't slate someone you don't know with moronic crap like that, makes you looik like an, ahem, idiot
lollers. It's always quite amusing when someone calls someone else an idiot, all the while their own post is riddled with spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, and the incorrect use of certain words. mmmhypocrisy.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.14 07:12:00 -
[72]
Interesting thread
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.14 07:36:00 -
[73]
Privateers has been pushing the envelope that's very true. I do believe they are using the war declaration system in a way that was not intended. In essence they are seeking to create a 0.0 situation in Empire instead of using the game mechanism already provided for that by actually going to low sec or 0.0.
If they keep on it is likely at some future point they will force CCP to make changes.
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Ferreus Delazar
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Posted - 2007.03.14 11:47:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Ferreus Delazar on 14/03/2007 11:50:23 This was not intended.. Ignore it.
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Ferreus Malukar
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.14 11:53:00 -
[75]
Well after reading through this topic, I now understand the privateers point of view. That large corps are 0.0 stuff and the rest is highsec seems to make sense. But looks like i am somewhere in the middle.
I am a member of a D2 corp, but not a full member yet, which means I still have to survive mainly by myself. Last weekend, I lost one ship each day, a Hoarder and a Thrasher, just because of the D2-Privateer war. Not thread to anyone, no cargo. This sucks. Great, i already was nearly bankrupt. Then, trying to get some ISK by ratting, I got my brandnew BC (from less poor times) nearly blown up - it was my last remaining ship and not covered by insurance because lack of ISK - just because some guy wanted revenge for a D2-gatecamp. At least he accepted my last Million ISK as ransom. This one was no Privateer, I just want to point out that there are still other menaces besides Privateer, which to avoid I spend around 1/3 of my game time.
Looks like, in times like this, joining a corp as a newb to get some useful advise an introduction into the game ends up as suicide.
As you Privateers make my game so "exciting", I hope that you start honoring ransom and stop podkilling sometime! Or maybe I just ran across the sadistic ones...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.14 12:14:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Enders Vaal What I find funny is the mass of corporations that always post about getting war dec'd by Privateers, but in the end they do nothing about it. These corps let the Privateers fight on Privateer terms, not on their own.
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
So your suggestion is:
join with perfect stranger, possibly a past or future Privateers (for all I know it is not possible to check if a corporation was part of an alliance in the past) or a Lofty, to fight privateers?
This will require a level of thrust hard to get in EVE.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.14 12:43:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ferreus Malukar
As you Privateers make my game so "exciting", I hope that you start honoring ransom and stop podkilling sometime! Or maybe I just ran across the sadistic ones...
That isone of the difficulties, too. With other pirate corporation/alliances you can get a feeling if they will respect a ransom or not. Privateers haven't a policy about that, so 1 corp will get the ransom and then kill you, another will respect it.
In the end the only credible option is not to thrust them to respect the ransom. And that is a damage even for the "honest" one.
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ED Grubermann
Boot To The Head
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Posted - 2007.03.14 13:03:00 -
[78]
i prefer to look at it this way...
if i wardec privateers, i get a target rich environment all over eve high sec, and usually around gates. Easy to find, bundle and take with you home.
What more can a man want?
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 14:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Ferreus Malukar
As you Privateers make my game so "exciting", I hope that you start honoring ransom and stop podkilling sometime! Or maybe I just ran across the sadistic ones...
That isone of the difficulties, too. With other pirate corporation/alliances you can get a feeling if they will respect a ransom or not. Privateers haven't a policy about that, so 1 corp will get the ransom and then kill you, another will respect it.
In the end the only credible option is not to thrust them to respect the ransom. And that is a damage even for the "honest" one.
Not honouring a ransom is basicaly cutting your own throat. It will also antagonise all other pirates. I rarely offer them but if i do they are always honoured.
SKUNK
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Sol Halcon
Minmatar The Exile Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.14 14:27:00 -
[80]
One of the major features that kept me in EVE is the fact that you are never really safe. You always gotta keep your guard up, keep your ship insured, etc... When ever I launch I figure this ship is gone, bringing her home is a bonus.
I been through the MMO guantlet. I hate Honor guard tags, overt flags, PvP instances etc... Space probably is, and in the MMO world, should be unforgiving and dangerous. You screw up, get lazy, get careless or complacent, you pay the piper. Period point blank.
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Friggz
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:38:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova Privateer alliance causes high security systems to be more dangerous for members of most large corps and alliances, than low sec's. They have 40+ offwars, half of EVE in war with them. They making Empire as pirate paradise now.
If an area isn't secure don't go there. If you really have to go there go there with an alt thats not in a warring corp. If your main has to go hire protection.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Yes, they have many enemies in each system, but these enemies are not connected among other.
Get connected. If Privateers is completely destroying so many corps why aren't there CEOs meeting to discuss forming a mutually benefical defense? No one is stopping them.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
And sometimes they are enemies to each other.
If Privateers are a big enough threat corps would make a truce to fight back. If they're a minor problem, then they won't. Its all a matter of pressure. A big enough threat will bring even bitter enemies to the table. During WWII the USA and Russia didn't particularly like eachother but neither one had any hesistation at allying against the Axis.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Privateers just killing one LV member, then killing BOB member, then killing RA member. Their enemies often can't fight together.
Can't? No, you mean won't. If they won't take the time to organize themselves its not the Privateers fault or CCPs fault for that matter. We live in the age of communication, if you can't think of a way for people in multiple corps to communicate with eachother in an age of iirc chat, instant messages, and VoiP servers your not thinking hard enough.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
And they not only declares wars to PvP alliances. All large trade corporations are ander terror now. They has no chances in fight, they are industrial\logistics, and they has no place to safe fly now. CCP, do you want disband of large peaceful industrial corps?
No, CCP DOES however want Industrial corps to have to deal with logistical problems. One such problem is the threat of priacy and war deccs. Every corporation be it 'peaceful' or not should either have their own security wing or hire out to merc corps. Every corp. I don't care if your peaceful or not, because the world you live in isn't.
Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova
Do you want all who don't like PvP to leave your game? If not, please return high secs to your customers. We need war limit. As i know, most agressive alliances almost never had more than 5 wars. Make the 5 war limit and get these pirates back to low secs. Because payment for war doesn't work to limit the wars.
You want CCP to take regulation out of the players hands. Right now what limits wars is the amount that the warring corp can handle. Privateers is taking advantage of the fact that they can war everyone they want because people refuse to learn to defend themselves or fight back. The way you beat people like this is by starving them.
Everytime you go into a high traffic area you bring enough fire power to repel them so either they can't fight or if they do it costs them dearly. You organize your defenses, move in packs, don't go afk, don't use auto pilot, fit your ships to run blockades, hire mercs, make a security branch for your corp repsoncable for protecting corp assets, communicate with the enemy of your enemy and make them your friend.
No one is defenseless unless they choose to be. If you want to beat privateers deny them the thing they want: Easy kills. When your alliance stops being unprotected indies and starts being a series of unwinnable fights then privateers will no longer want to war you. Blowing up their ships is not how you win this battle, starving them of the reason they are fighting is the key.
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar White-Noise
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova Privateer alliance causes high security systems to be more dangerous for members of most large corps and alliances, than low sec's. They have 40+ offwars, half of EVE in war with them. They making Empire as pirate paradise now. You may say "What's problem? They have as many targets as enemies to shoot them". That's a bit wrong. Yes, they have many enemies in each system, but these enemies are not connected among other. And sometimes they are enemies to each other. Privateers just killing one LV member, then killing BOB member, then killing RA member. Their enemies often can't fight together. And, Privateer alliance isn't an alliance as other EVE alliances. This is just the pirate service, that grants them rights to shoot many targets in high sec's. Yes, for ISK. To use this service, corporation must pay some ISK, that goes to war payments. More and more pirate corporations are using this service. Too many privateers in empire now. And they not only declares wars to PvP alliances. All large trade corporations are ander terror now. They has no chances in fight, they are industrial\logistics, and they has no place to safe fly now. CCP, do you want disband of large peaceful industrial corps? Do you want all who don't like PvP to leave your game? If not, please return high secs to your customers. We need war limit. As i know, most agressive alliances almost never had more than 5 wars. Make the 5 war limit and get these pirates back to low secs. Because payment for war doesn't work to limit the wars.
So join privs with an alt already
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.03.14 16:56:00 -
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Why won't this thread die?
Also doesn't this belong in Corporation and Alliance discussion?
Privateers are great btw, they provide lots of interesting things to salvage at gates.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
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Turin
Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 14/03/2007 17:14:44
Originally by: Enders Vaal
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
Because privateers are a bunch of pansy wussys who fly nothing but nano fleets, and who run and dock as soon as there is a HINT of a fair fight.
What a bunch of loosers.
You canot win against Privateers. They will NOT fight you on any even terms. They will hide and dock.
You cannot attack any infistructure they have. They have none.
There is no answer to privateers given the current game mechanics. You cant stop them. They wont engage you unless its almost a certainty they will win, and they have no assets they need to be made to deffend.
Everyone wants to compare 0.0 corps making 0.0 unsafe for empire corps, vrs Priv making empire unsafe for 0.0 corps.
The differance is. Corps in 0.0 have assets they must protect. They can be put into a deffensive mode. Empire wussies cannot be made to fight deffensivly. There is no mechanic to force that.
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Rabbitual Ferrier
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Beetle Boy
1. Privateer allaince doesn't make high sec systems more dangerous for memebers. I see almost all war target from BoB RA and LV in shuttles so i don't see that a problem 2. Privateers offers corps and people a allaince with no politics bull**** 3. Industrail and Logistic allaince then should hire protection or even better recurit a few pvp corps to there allaince to fight back 4. War Limit! Your just stupid how is BoB going to have the ragooncad2 and friends.
We might have many targets but most are shuttles or nano'ed or stabbed and even if we do get a kill we make no money due to loot thiefs so Inspector Sidorenkova live wth or as Evolution say "Those who cannot adapt become victims of Privateers like Evolution".
To be fair the PA are simply a collection of War Corps anyway Hybrid Syndicate previously war dec'd to get empire kills, now they are part of an Alliance that does the same. Nothings changed. Some say there lamers who are scared of 0.0 but getting podded by Hybrid Syndicate made me realise the larger potential of Eve-O, and work towards being able to stand up for myself....
The irony is that being in a High Sec alliance was once the protection from being 'decc'd' for newer corps (particually one with newer players).
They ain't so good as they cannot be killed. The word of the day is probably Frig swarms....
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.03.14 17:34:00 -
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Yeah, it was neat for a while.. but now it is quickly getting boorish. Its warn out and takes energy away from the really interesting things this game has to offer.
The only function they serve now, at least for me, it to get me jumping from one system to another.
If I have a 20+ jump back to empire, I get a shuttle, I look for a PA and wait for him to notice me and pod me so I can get back t empire quickly without waiting 24hr for a jump clone.
For me, they are much faster version of the Jump Clone service.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Turin Edited by: Turin on 14/03/2007 17:14:44
Originally by: Enders Vaal
Why hasn't there been a banding together of corporations in empire to take the fight to the privs? Are they just that ignorant? Or do they really think that the Privateers will just pass their flashing-red haulers by?
Because privateers are a bunch of pansy wussys who fly nothing but nano fleets, and who run and dock as soon as there is a HINT of a fair fight.
What a bunch of loosers.
You canot win against Privateers. They will NOT fight you on any even terms. They will hide and dock.
You cannot attack any infistructure they have. They have none.
There is no answer to privateers given the current game mechanics. You cant stop them. They wont engage you unless its almost a certainty they will win, and they have no assets they need to be made to deffend.
Everyone wants to compare 0.0 corps making 0.0 unsafe for empire corps, vrs Priv making empire unsafe for 0.0 corps.
The differance is. Corps in 0.0 have assets they must protect. They can be put into a deffensive mode. Empire wussies cannot be made to fight deffensivly. There is no mechanic to force that.
LOL!
If what you say is true, then you have just given the solution to the "problem".
You say that they will run and dock with any hint of a fair fight? Do you really believe that? Then there is your answer!
DUH!
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Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Inspector Sidorenkova What's the point for CONCORD and theese tons of centry guns? If you can just pay them 50 or 100kk ISK and get as many targets as you have money for.
Then remove CONCORD, remove payment for war. Theese things doesn't work.
Because...CONCORD is crooked. Welcome to my point taken from within the perspective of the story line.
Outside that concerning the game itself, I love what's going on. All of the game is at war right now. There's few corps or alliances left untouched. If your not directly involved in the War of New Eden you're invovled in the Privateer empire campaign. It's a great time to be playing EVE and I've never seen anything like this. Wrecks at damn near every gate, corpses everwhere, you can't go anyplace in the galaxy high sec or no sec without the recent evidence of conflict.
In a game that's about survival of the fittest, thrive or die on the vine. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red." |
Blind Man
Kemono. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:32:00 -
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Waaaaah
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:50:00 -
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What exactly is a 'fair fight?' Opponents evenly matched in ship setup and skill? If so, I doubt there's more than a few 'fair fights' since the first year of the game.
Ok, I can't believe a newbie has to tell you this, but here's how you gank privateers any time you like as many times as you like.
1. Login trap. 2. Bait hauler fitted with a scram.
You have the advantage. You can use an alt to scan the privateer ships. You control when and where and how the gank goes down. You decide whether your gank fleet is sufficient to engage at the time or not. You spend minutes a day making the game fun for the privateers the exact same way they make it fun for hauler pilots. With a bit of practice your victims will wake up in their clone feeling like the goatse guy every time with no losses except possibly a 500k hauler.
Everyone wins!
What more could you possibly want?
Happy ganking!
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Doomed Predator
Order Of The Sentinel FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:57:00 -
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Ok so we have nano-everything whinage,Privateers whinage,boB whinage,um.....what else is popular to whine about these days? I think there was a thread a while ago about zyd prices crashing. But thats not really so popular as nano and Privateers though. Oh i remember NOS whinage. Atleast try to be original and whine about something noone else has already. Like the guy who is whining about Walking in Stations.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:58:00 -
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Hi Toria,
Your's is a good idea, one of dozens offered in this thread and at least 20 others on the same topic.
Trouble is, it appears that those who are complaining have no desire to play the game (which your idea would require) but would rather be left to themselves to afk mine and haul, rake in the isk and go afk some more.
I am not a privateer, but I fully support their efforts. I hope they will fully support the efforts of those who would try to beat them down!
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Aille Pluthrak
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shiva Shane I hope they will fully support the efforts of those who would try to beat them down!
If I get hunt down, jammed, webbed, and scrammed I will not complain about getting blown up and podded. But they better be quick about it because if I am alone I will not stand still while it happens. Give me an opening I will take off running and I will not stay to take the beating. If you catch me in a gang with my buddies I will stand, fight and die if need be. It's all just funny money anyway.
Yarr and all that . ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.14 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul This will require a level of thrust hard to get in EVE.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fantastic!!
Kinky freudian forum slips ftw. ---
Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.14 20:59:00 -
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I think an important questions to ask, at least for those who are actually wasting their money on privateer services...
With such an outstanding ratio, how can they complete any objective effectively?
That is to say, they are obviously outnumbered with the amount of wars they have and most definitely over exerted.
So how can they guarantee ANYONE paying them that they will effectively disrupt ANYONE corp/alliance operations.
AFAIK and can see they are not too focused on targeting any one alliance or corp or operation, many shooting anyone that enters their sights with little effort put into actually disrupting a PARTICULAR operation.
I mean... they are NO Mercenary Coalition. Who actually use your money to complete an objective.
And the end of the day, the only thing PA can deliver is... "give us your money and we MAY get around to harassing the corp you are interested IF they are in the same system/station we are in."
Maybe the off chance of slight irritation is worth the price, but if they think that.. then better for me. =========================
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Shiva Shane
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.14 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aille Pluthrak
Originally by: Shiva Shane I hope they will fully support the efforts of those who would try to beat them down!
If I get hunt down, jammed, webbed, and scrammed I will not complain about getting blown up and podded. But they better be quick about it because if I am alone I will not stand still while it happens. Give me an opening I will take off running and I will not stay to take the beating. If you catch me in a gang with my buddies I will stand, fight and die if need be. It's all just funny money anyway.
Yarr and all that .
I would expect nothing less!
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DiuxDium
Loot Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 14/03/2007 21:00:59 Privateers are like communism.
We re-distribute wealth, manually.
Tis true, just look at all the scavengers that follow us about.
p.s BoBO seems better, I wonder why. ------------------------------------------
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.15 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 15/03/2007 03:24:20
Originally by: DiuxDium p.s BoBO seems better, I wonder why.
That board is not very accurate, and someone is not reporting thier losses in PA. Thanks for letting us know that. I cant hold that against you though, I dont always report everything either...
Besides that.. I like the rest of your victories... it was ONE crusader, 3 shuttles, 2 cheep empty industrials with T1 gear, and a few free jump clone services that saved me 26 jumps. You missed all the BPOs!
Way to show me off there.... HAHAHAHA.
Ahh... but seriously, like I said in other threads.. the only benefit you guys add to the game is to allow me to jump clone without the time limit... To me its not a PK combat loss, its a cost of transportation. I love it. I'm all behind you guys...
I must have really hit a nerve with that last post for you to single me out like that, I must be of more worth that you posted me to look.
Nice job, but I aint the Minister of Propaganda for nothing. You guys are an emptly sytem that fails to deliver its promise, but I still have much love for you guys as you pilots as a whole are very friendly and cool people and you are a product of what this game is all about.. but its time to go you have outlived your amusement. =========================
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.03.15 04:12:00 -
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*sigh* we've been war-dec'ed now, too
there goes (most of) my work as a trader - indies are out of the question, no matter how much agility one packs into an iteron V...
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.15 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bangoura So;
A: Fight back B: Pay another mercenary organisation to fight back
You can't realy fight back. They're not a real alliance. If you cause too many losses to one corp they'll just leave and another will take their place. There isn't any way to actualy win or make them stop. They're essentialy invulnerable. I think what CCP should do is make it so no corps can leave or join an alliance during a war.
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Venitas
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Posted - 2007.03.15 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider *sigh* we've been war-dec'ed now, too
there goes (most of) my work as a trader - indies are out of the question, no matter how much agility one packs into an iteron V...
I've seen freighters run through lowsec and 0.0. I've run an industrial myself through and around camped systems. It's a bit more hassle, and a bit riskier, but it is nowhere near 'out of the question.'
It means you can't "play" AFK, and you may have to get some assistance while doing it. Toria suggests alt scouts; I loathe the idea of using alts, and would rather engage corpmates or hire (trustworthy) mercs, as it seems more in the spirit of the game. Tho admittedly, as a member of the Amarran Empire I could at least claim any alts I use are properly conditioned slaves ;)
The real downside is that it's an added expense, so you'll either have to accept lower profits or figure out how to increase your margin.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.15 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Venitas
Originally by: Roemy Schneider *sigh* we've been war-dec'ed now, too
there goes (most of) my work as a trader - indies are out of the question, no matter how much agility one packs into an iteron V...
I've seen freighters run through lowsec and 0.0. I've run an industrial myself through and around camped systems. It's a bit more hassle, and a bit riskier, but it is nowhere near 'out of the question.'
It means you can't "play" AFK, and you may have to get some assistance while doing it. Toria suggests alt scouts; I loathe the idea of using alts, and would rather engage corpmates or hire (trustworthy) mercs, as it seems more in the spirit of the game. Tho admittedly, as a member of the Amarran Empire I could at least claim any alts I use are properly conditioned slaves ;)
The real downside is that it's an added expense, so you'll either have to accept lower profits or figure out how to increase your margin.
Or...
Go back to the noob corp FTW! Unwardecable! U can still leave an alt in charge of the current corp, sitting on the HQ dealing with the BPOs and stuff and making the privateers loose money on a war targets that won't undock.
Seriously, in a game where the developers want to encourage people to leave the noob corps, are the privateers helping? |
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