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Morrigan LeSante
Black Omega Security Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.08.11 13:29:13 -
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If you want to find it quickly I suggest the corp/alliance wars section.
But they will not implement it, it'll vastly increase the number of people who refuse to play under wardecs. |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.08.11 13:57:25 -
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I've removed an off-topic post and left a few edge cases. Please be respectful and stay on topic...
Quote:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
110
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Posted - 2016.08.11 15:59:16 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lex Gabinia wrote: These are actually "Communications" and they are accessed through the NEOCOM.
NEOCOM>SOCIAL>MAIL.
Those are the old notifications. They are not mails, they are notifications in a different format. Which CCP decided was terrible at presenting information to the player in a meaningful fashion hence the new much improved new notification tab (improved for most purposes) And upon opening the non flashing tab, you know what I found in there, unread notifications of wars. So no, the flashing is not reliable either. Nor is expecting someone to specifically see a tiny basically imperceptible flashing icon on that tiny side bar. Though sure, it exists...... If you go into mail. Then into communications. Then into war. Then check the dates on them to see if they are still valid, or have started. So...... It takes me five steps, one of which is not instant to simply check if I am at war? Or I have to scroll through a long mixed list of notifications and hope I don't miss it? Thanks for making a great argument as to why this is actually important information that should be on the login screen given how buried the in game information is. Glad I could help |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.11 16:03:31 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lex Gabinia wrote: These are actually "Communications" and they are accessed through the NEOCOM.
NEOCOM>SOCIAL>MAIL.
Those are the old notifications. They are not mails, they are notifications in a different format. Which CCP decided was terrible at presenting information to the player in a meaningful fashion hence the new much improved new notification tab (improved for most purposes) And upon opening the non flashing tab, you know what I found in there, unread notifications of wars. So no, the flashing is not reliable either. Nor is expecting someone to specifically see a tiny basically imperceptible flashing icon on that tiny side bar. Though sure, it exists...... If you go into mail. Then into communications. Then into war. Then check the dates on them to see if they are still valid, or have started. So...... It takes me five steps, one of which is not instant to simply check if I am at war? Or I have to scroll through a long mixed list of notifications and hope I don't miss it? Thanks for making a great argument as to why this is actually important information that should be on the login screen given how buried the in game information is. You can also see it on the war tab in the alliance panel So for a corp its two clicks, three for an alliance.
Again we come back to that persona responsibility thing.
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
561
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Posted - 2016.08.11 21:55:49 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:You can also see it on the war tab in the alliance panel So for a corp its two clicks, three for an alliance
Again we come back to that persona responsibility thing.
Yeah, you're right, you can see that info from there. And that is where I check. Every day. But it's also not really going to be any sweat off your back to have the log in screen display 1 more piece of information either. For me, it would be a huge QoL improvement.
And yeah, any QoL improvement also can lend to a laziness 'improvement,' but it's like some of the key mappings. They're horrid and could be so much better. Sure older players(like you and I) can just go in and change them no biggie. But WHY are they set up so horribly to start with? If they were done right the first time, there wouldn't need to be a discussion with every new player ever 'Yeah it's mapped to that but that's a ******** map and you're NEVER going to use these buttons for this map unless you're leading incursion groups, so clear these Keys and map those to them' sort of deal.
But yeah, I agree, there are ways to get this info. But each of those ways has flaws in one form or another. Either buried under other notifications, not readily accessible if you don't know where to look, or a half assed 'mail' that doesn't really draw attention to it. Doing it this way is just another piece of information that could and should be available at a glance on the character card. Who knows, maybe we'll get toggle-able character card information eventually? Til then, Yeah, I'd like to see this information on the character card, just because it would improve my EveQoL, not because I'm too lazy to do it the way it is already available.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Wimzy Chent-Shi
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
66
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Posted - 2016.08.12 13:11:03 -
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It's neat, saves time, I know it's not the hardcore thing ultimate leet peeveepeeers will support.
It probably reduces content I guess that is a reasonable statement (over childish arguments over "responsibility" and "Ima leet pvper killing ventures look at me").
But ultimately you should be able to make an informed decision on whether to undock without checking your corporation window everytime you login (which I find myself doing time to time). +1
Such thing as a wardec can be menacingly difficult to track among 100 other incoming notices yet it's ignorance results in tears and losses for many, pretty much every newbie friendly corp nightmare. (yes babysitting idiots who do not know what war is can prove difficult)
Make a newbro foundation started @ here
Let us help those newbros that can not PLEX themselves.
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Valkin Mordirc
2297
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Posted - 2016.08.12 15:05:05 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lex Gabinia wrote: These are actually "Communications" and they are accessed through the NEOCOM.
NEOCOM>SOCIAL>MAIL.
Those are the old notifications. They are not mails, they are notifications in a different format. Which CCP decided was terrible at presenting information to the player in a meaningful fashion hence the new much improved new notification tab (improved for most purposes) And upon opening the non flashing tab, you know what I found in there, unread notifications of wars. So no, the flashing is not reliable either. Nor is expecting someone to specifically see a tiny basically imperceptible flashing icon on that tiny side bar. Though sure, it exists...... If you go into mail. Then into communications. Then into war. Then check the dates on them to see if they are still valid, or have started. So...... It takes me five steps, one of which is not instant to simply check if I am at war? Or I have to scroll through a long mixed list of notifications and hope I don't miss it? Thanks for making a great argument as to why this is actually important information that should be on the login screen given how buried the in game information is. You can also see it on the war tab in the alliance panel So for a corp its two clicks, three for an alliance. Again we come back to that persona responsibility thing.
My whole thing about it is newbies. It's why I think it's a good idea.
How many times have you found some poor sap who is less than a month old and doesn't understand what's happening? Because I've caught quite a few.
A Veteran isn't really effected by this. Asides from small less than one percent will notice when they are decced. I've only come across two situations where this was a thing. One wasn't even my war, just a forum post. That your probably aware of.
However I've seen countless number a newbro's getting there **** blown up because they don't understand what is going on to begin with. This would change that.
I am completely okay with losing out on a Rtard JF kill if it means newbros understand the game and how it works better.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
561
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Posted - 2016.08.13 01:37:06 -
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On this subject, I was actually talking to a guy running a newbro corp, kinda newbie himself, who was just war decced and didn't see the dec under all the other notifications. He didn't see it til I was looking and saw it and told him.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Sullen Decimus
Polaris Rising The Bastion
24
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Posted - 2016.08.13 06:56:54 -
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Annexe wrote:Add a visual indication that a pilot is at war on the character select screen before logging in. Some pilots fail to realise they are at war, because there is no clear notification (except for a pop-up and mail, which can go unnoticed). Pilots should be aware at all times that they are at war, like a drill-sargent banging on the tents at the crack of dawn! Of course, there are some pilots who spend their lives at war, so maybe the visual could be subtle, but still make the player aware before logging in. Concept character select screen
Personally i like this idea. I have always thought the notification when you're at war should be really goddamn obvious considering the consequences..
Twitter: Sullen_Decimus
Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus
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Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S Tactical Narcotics Team
78
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Posted - 2016.08.13 08:29:25 -
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Danika Princip wrote:
You're in a nullsec group. And a member of the imperium.
The answer to the question 'am I at war' is going to be 'yes' for the lifetime of the servers. I suggest you get used to it.
This was not a suggestion to make the game better for ME, this was a suggestion that I thought would benefit the player-base as a whole. War decs are nothing new to me, and personally I am not bothered by them. I simply suggested an idea that could provide useful information upon logging into the game :)
Annexe
ITAI - VIP
"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
1037
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Posted - 2016.08.13 09:03:22 -
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Lol i'm guessing someone lost something expensive to highsec mercs.
Also no, be less stupid and check notifications.
This game is already getting too safe.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
561
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Posted - 2016.08.13 09:52:53 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Lol i'm guessing someone lost something expensive to highsec mercs.
Also no, be less stupid and check notifications.
This game is already getting too safe.
Please read thread. Limitations and problems with current 'notifications' have been discussed at length.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17398
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Posted - 2016.08.13 15:22:13 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:Lol i'm guessing someone lost something expensive to highsec mercs.
Also no, be less stupid and check notifications.
This game is already getting too safe. Please read thread. Limitations and problems with current 'notifications' have been discussed at length. debated at length, i still disagree they are problematic and still think its a matter of personal responibility
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17852
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Posted - 2016.08.13 16:56:22 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Now consider how many mails can be sent in a busy corp, and how easy it is to miss 1 amongst 100 or 1000.
Having been a member of GSF I can safely say its not an issue. |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
561
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Posted - 2016.08.13 21:31:07 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: Now consider how many mails can be sent in a busy corp, and how easy it is to miss 1 amongst 100 or 1000.
Having been a member of GSF I can safely say its not an issue.
I wasn't in Goons for very long but that was one thing that stuck out to me, was how few corp mails were sent, due to all the 3rd party services goons employ. That and goons are always at war with someone.
Not sure that's a great comparison point.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2884
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Posted - 2016.08.19 04:36:32 -
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... you should be checking your mail
god i hate when corp m8s don't read mail
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