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Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.12 19:44:42 -
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Looking for suggestions for Oneiros fit to support mainly shield fleet.
Please assume Tech II / Faction modules and all related skills at V.
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Viktor Amarr
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Posted - 2016.08.12 20:52:55 -
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Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.12 21:03:47 -
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It's probably safe for me to interpret Viktor's response as "you asked me to answer a nonsensical question."
I've done that before, once even in real life...but my wife eventually forgave me for that one. She did say "don't let it happen again." I did and it was not a pretty sight. But, two times in 31 years is not too shabby, eh.
However, I am committed to achieving, before I die, to perfect knowledge, gained without external resources, about all things Eve.
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Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2016.08.12 21:25:48 -
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Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield. |
Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.12 21:35:56 -
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Zoltan Lazar wrote:Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield.
Clever. Very clever. Proffering a reply I can do something with.
Check your wallet. |
Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2016.08.12 22:15:34 -
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Tarbro Abec wrote:Zoltan Lazar wrote:Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield. Clever. Very clever. Proffering a reply I can do something with. Check your wallet.
Thanks!
And further information, the shield equivalent that you're looking for is the scimitar, minmatar ship. Oni/scim are self-stable for cap, guardian/basi are 'chain' stable, they generate cap out of thin air using their bonus to cap transfers and a 'cap partner'.
For the future, the easiest way to tell what a ship is good for is to read its bonuses.
If you need help determining a fit for anything let me know, personally most of my enjoyment of the game comes from min/maxing ship fittings. |
Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.12 22:24:50 -
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The contrast in responses was worth a material "thank you" to me.
So,
I do know I've got a solid Oneiros for armor. I'm going to go ahead and head toward the scimi.
So, no rush, but an excellent scimi fit or two, per my op will be welcomed.
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Elinara Yamamoto
Latex Entosis Insignificant Others
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Posted - 2016.08.13 02:12:15 -
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Zoltan Lazar wrote:Tarbro Abec wrote:Zoltan Lazar wrote:Oneiros is an armor logi ship. Not shield. Clever. Very clever. Proffering a reply I can do something with. Check your wallet. Thanks! And further information, the shield equivalent that you're looking for is the scimitar, minmatar ship. Oni/scim are self-stable for cap, guardian/basi are 'chain' stable, they generate cap out of thin air using their bonus to cap transfers and a 'cap partner'. For the future, the easiest way to tell what a ship is good for is to read its bonuses. If you need help determining a fit for anything let me know, personally most of my enjoyment of the game comes from min/maxing ship fittings.
Sorry to hijack the thread like that, but If that is true then I have been looking for you for a long time lol, can I buy you as a personal EFT (or whatever you use) Warrior for myself?
There is several ships I need help with, my PvE Rattingsnake is just one, Entosis Falcon another!
I ll send you an Evemail or something if you agree :) |
Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2016.08.13 03:21:40 -
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Tarbro Abec wrote:The contrast in responses was worth a material "thank you" to me.
So,
I do know I've got a solid Oneiros for armor. I'm going to go ahead and head toward the scimi.
So, no rush, but an excellent scimi fit or two, per my op will be welcomed.
Since you said 'fleet' I'm assuming you mean a logi that is buffer fit and catches reps from other ships rather than self rep fit, let me know if that's wrong.
The standard buffer fit scimi is:
[Scimitar, scimi]
Damage Control II True Sansha Reactor Control Unit Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II Large Remote Shield Booster II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Technically not cap stable but you're pretty much never going to be turning on all four reppers and going AFK so it's plenty of cap.
For 50m more you can drop one power relay and the reactor control for a pair of caldari navy power diagnostics. This gives more shield EHP but a smidge less cap, and of course the higher price. Still, the cap is well within 'realistically stable' as mentioned above.
Elinara, I sent you a mail. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.13 03:55:11 -
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This is how you should be flying a scimitar:
[Scimitar, fleet]
Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II Signal Amplifier II
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
If you're going to put an AB on a logistics ship, go with the cap-chaining ones since they're a lot more resilient and can take a beating.
Point of a scimi/oneiros is to be out of harm's way and the extreme speed of the scimi allows it to do that. |
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Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2016.08.13 18:29:40 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:This is how you should be flying a scimitar:
[Scimitar, fleet]
Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II Signal Amplifier II
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster Pithum B-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
If you're going to put an AB on a logistics ship, go with the cap-chaining ones since they're a lot more resilient and can take a beating.
Point of a scimi/oneiros is to be out of harm's way and the extreme speed of the scimi allows it to do that.
I assumed he was asking about PvE. But for PvP this is what you'd be going towards. |
Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.13 19:29:57 -
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I did want PvE fit.
Thanks to all. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.13 22:06:04 -
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Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions? |
Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.16 00:30:37 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions?
Sleeper |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
871
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Posted - 2016.08.16 01:18:36 -
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Tarbro Abec wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions? Sleeper
You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi.
What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
1046
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Posted - 2016.08.16 08:19:41 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Tarbro Abec wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions? Sleeper You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi. What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.
For C3's a Scimi with an XL ASB is enough, stop shield transfers and agro moves off you very quickly. And its very easy to fit if your using deadspace med transporters.
No Worries
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Tiddle Jr
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.26 10:53:32 -
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[Oh No Eiros shieldy fit]
you've named it i've done it
Civilian Damage Control Basic Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Basic Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Basic Energized Explosive Membrane 'Citadella' 100mm Steel Plates
5MN Microwarpdrive I 'Basic' Capacitor Recharger 'Basic' Capacitor Recharger 'Shady' Sensor Booster
'Micro' Remote Shield Booster 'Micro' Remote Shield Booster 'Micro' Remote Shield Booster 'Micro' Remote Shield Booster
Medium Core Defense Charge Economizer I Medium Core Defense Charge Economizer I
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Tarbro Abec
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.27 14:06:28 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Tarbro Abec wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions? Sleeper You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi. What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive.
Up to C3 and C13s. Fleet size unknown but likely <=5. |
Blinky Jimmy
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.27 19:14:07 -
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Tarbro Abec wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Tarbro Abec wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions? Sleeper You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi. What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive. Up to C3 and C13s. Fleet size unknown but likely <=5. In that case, I suggest you use a spider tank setup. Fit remote cap transfers and local tank on the ships, cap chain each other, and run your reps off the cap chain. You'd want two logi, only one in a sleeper site and the logi will die, and 2 logi in a 5 man fleet is inefficient. If you can tell me more about the ships you want to run I can give you some fits. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1706
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Posted - 2016.08.28 16:43:37 -
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Tarbro Abec wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Tarbro Abec wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then please ignore :)
What kind of pve will this be for? Incursions? Sleeper You'll either want a logi buddy or a local rep. Sleepers WILL target the logi. What class of WH are we talking about and how big is this ratting fleet? 2x Ospreys can keep a C4 ratting fleet alive. Up to C3 and C13s. Fleet size unknown but likely <=5.
C13s are frigate only I believe, so you won't be able to shove an oneiros through :p |
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