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HongHi Choi Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.03.13 11:03:00 - [1] Edited by: HongHi Choi on 13/03/2007 11:00:53 My good friend and i just had a big disscusion about hardeners and could not come to an agreement of how they work. So please help us. 1. Do the skills /damage type/ shield compensation affect active hardeners and MOST IMPORTANT how? 2. What modules require tactical shield manipulation? 3. What does tactical shield manipulation realy do?
kill0rbunny Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2007.03.13 11:12:00 - [2] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 13/03/2007 11:12:44 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 13/03/2007 11:11:31 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 13/03/2007 11:08:55 Originally by: HongHi Choi Edited by: HongHi Choi on 13/03/2007 11:00:53 My good friend and i just had a big disscusion about hardeners and could not come to an agreement of how they work. So please help us. 1. Do the skills /damage type/ shield compensation affect active hardeners and MOST IMPORTANT how? 2. What modules require tactical shield manipulation? 3. What does tactical shield manipulation realy do? 1. They only affect the active hardeners when switched off. 2. Active Hardeners. 3. At Level 5 of Tactical Shield Manipulation, no damage hits the armor if the shield isn't at 0%. From my own experience, at Level 4, that means, even at 10% shields left, no damage affects the armor through the shields. Killboard
Ahz	Posted - 2007.03.13 23:19:00 - [3] As I understand it the shield compensation skills make your passive resistance amplifiers as strong or stronger than your active resistance amplifiers. And they don't do much more than that.
SauronTheMage Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.14 01:32:00 - [4] The compensation skills, when at lvl 4, bring up the T2 amplifiers from 37.5% to 45%. I think lvl 5 brings it to 46.125%
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.03.14 02:02:00 - [5] Originally by: Ahz As I understand it the shield compensation skills make your passive resistance amplifiers as strong or stronger than your active resistance amplifiers. And they don't do much more than that. No, they're weaker than active hardeners (even with the compensation skills at 5). You trade tougher resistances for no cap use, and in this age of nosferatus, it's actually viable to shave off several % of your resistances to avoid having your tank killed from being out of cap (despite the few % of resistances an inactive active hardener will provide, it's pretty much useless). ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
GetergdeKaasboer	Posted - 2007.03.14 02:03:00 - [6] Originally by: HongHi Choi 1. Do the skills /damage type/ shield compensation affect active hardeners and MOST IMPORTANT how? 2. What modules require tactical shield manipulation? 3. What does tactical shield manipulation realy do? 1) when active hardeners are OFF they give 2% boost to the resistance per level, they give 5% boost to passive hardeners. so example a 50% active EM hardener will give 2% resistance when off and 50% when on at level 1. 2) tach shield manipulation doesnt use modules. 3) basically shields leak damage to the armour when shield strength drops below 25%. TSM will reduce this leakage to 0 pts leakage at level 5, from 100% at lvl 1 and by 25% per additional level to 0% at level V. (yes its dumb you need level 2 to get any benefit IIRC) so its 100%lvl1, 75%lvl2, 50%lvl3, 25%lvl4 and 0%lvl5. so at lvl 5 your shield had to be down to take armour damage.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.14 05:09:00 - [7] See sig (right link) for just about everything you asked and more. It's not like you're the first person asking those questions Anything to add or clarify, please ask in there, after you read the whole thread. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.14 17:15:00 - [8] Originally by: GetergdeKaasboer 3) basically shields leak damage to the armour when shield strength drops below 25%. TSM will reduce this leakage to 0 pts leakage at level 5, from 100% at lvl 1 and by 25% per additional level to 0% at level V. (yes its dumb you need level 2 to get any benefit IIRC) so its 100%lvl1, 75%lvl2, 50%lvl3, 25%lvl4 and 0%lvl5. so at lvl 5 your shield had to be down to take armour damage. isn't it the point at which the leak happens? lv1 20% lv2 15% lv3 10% lv4 5% lv5 0% Thats what i always thought. the way you describe it doesn't make sense with the 5% bonus on the skill you seem to operate with 25% decrease. can someone clarify? __________________________________ need a new sig :(
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2007.03.14 17:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Freya Runestone isn't it the point at which the leak happens? lv1 20% lv2 15% lv3 10% lv4 5% lv5 0% Thats what i always thought. the way you describe it doesn't make sense with the 5% bonus on the skill you seem to operate with 25% decrease. can someone clarify? No one's actually sure. A theory that's been suggested is that below a certain percentage of shield, there is a chance of a damage bleedthrough happening and the skill reduces this chance, not the actual point where bleedthrough happens.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.14 17:49:00 - [10] I took the liberty of quoting and adding the response to it in the linked thread. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained

Shadarle	Posted - 2007.03.15 05:25:00 - [11] sigh yet another person asking the same question asked at LEAST 100 times before. If only they'd put a search function in for these forums And to Akita, ROFL. It's feels like holding a carrot on a stick sometimes isn't it? Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2007.03.15 12:24:00 - [12] Originally by: GetergdeKaasboer Originally by: HongHi Choi 2. What modules require tactical shield manipulation? 2) tach shield manipulation doesnt use modules. That's not quite his question. Active Shield Hardeners (not amplifiers) and Invulnerability Fields use TSM. Previously TSM 4 was required for the shield compensation skills, but the requirements have been changed (can't remember off the top of my head what the new skill requirement is now).


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