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zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
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Posted - 2016.08.20 20:02:43 -
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The idea is that a just cause has to be proven before a War Declaration takes place in regional government or faction.
An entity needs to have a kill right of a member of the entity that they intend to initiate a War Declaration the same way kill rights work now and also be able to trade kill rights.
War Rights will not be global, each regional government or faction is independent entity and you need to request approval.
Simply speaking if you live by the sword you die by the sword.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4640
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Posted - 2016.08.20 20:04:11 -
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SO how does one deal with their industrial competition?
or clear out POSes, Or POCOs? Or badposters? |
zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
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Posted - 2016.08.20 20:27:44 -
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Danika Princip wrote:SO how does one deal with their industrial competition?
or clear out POSes, Or POCOs? Or badposters?
did you ever hear about the free market |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4640
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Posted - 2016.08.20 20:28:52 -
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...How is that relevant?
If you have a customs office in highsec, and I want the planet, how do I engage your poco if I cannot declare war on you? |
zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
77
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Posted - 2016.08.20 22:53:07 -
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Danika Princip wrote:...How is that relevant?
If you have a customs office in highsec, and I want the planet, how do I engage your poco if I cannot declare war on you?
I did not realize that customs office in highsec was not NPC, mostly I've been doing Planetary interaction in 0.0 and low sec.
But there's a way to solve this issue the Entity that produces the most also owns the majority of the shares therefore controls the customs office , I believe it sounds fair. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4643
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Posted - 2016.08.20 22:54:35 -
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...right, so you just destroyed the entire highsec pi supply, since nobody is actually going to deploy pocos under those rules.
And what about POS and citadels? |
zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
77
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Posted - 2016.08.20 23:17:42 -
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Danika Princip wrote:...right, so you just destroyed the entire highsec pi supply, since nobody is actually going to deploy pocos under those rules.
And what about POS and citadels?
an NPC Customs office with dynamic ownership marketing strength /SWOT at highsec since it is an NPC region
Low and 0.0 remains as is
Why somebody have to destroy POS in Highsec going back to the previous question. Danika
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2894
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Posted - 2016.08.20 23:20:46 -
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but what if my "just cause" has nothing to do with what would generate a kill right
what if some one has violated my protected space and begun taking its resources w/o paying tribute
what if some one is paying me to remove competition
and of course the most egregious offence, what if i don't like the way he looks
Citadel worm hole tax
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zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
77
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Posted - 2016.08.20 23:33:23 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:but what if my "just cause" has nothing to do with what would generate a kill right
what if some one has violated my protected space and begun taking its resources w/o paying tribute
what if some one is paying me to remove competition
and of course the most egregious offence, what if i don't like the way he looks
In lowsec you don't need to War Dec to attack someone in Highsec you are protected by the law , unless you waive that right by aggressive action = Simply speaking if you live by the sword you die by the sword. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4644
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Posted - 2016.08.20 23:34:37 -
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zus wrote:Danika Princip wrote:...right, so you just destroyed the entire highsec pi supply, since nobody is actually going to deploy pocos under those rules.
And what about POS and citadels? an NPC Customs office with dynamic ownership marketing strength /SWOT at highsec since it is an NPC region Low and 0.0 remains as is Why somebody have to destroy POS in Highsec going back to the previous question. Danika
So you are actually calling for the removal of player owned customs offices in highsec?
Why?
And moons get removed in highsec for all sorts of reasons. Like, dead sticks, sticks in the way, suspected research towers with shitloads of BPOs being hit, things like that. Do you want to see every single moon in highsec towered with an unfuelled small so no-one can ever put up another pos again?
And citadels likewise get removed for being the competition. |
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3456
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Posted - 2016.08.20 23:38:59 -
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So if i have a citadel but never attack anyone illegally my citadel is invincible?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
77
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Posted - 2016.08.21 00:02:08 -
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Consider Highsec as Democratic Socialism region
Yes in Highsec POS is safe protected by law enforcement
But that doesn't stop a spy from infiltrating your corporation and creating an incident leading to War
So nothing is set in stone. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4644
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Posted - 2016.08.21 00:10:07 -
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...No, you're literally calling for it to be physically impossible to remove pos or citadels from highsec, and for the removal of pocos.
That's bad. Please give us some kind of a reason why that should happen. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3460
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Posted - 2016.08.21 11:15:32 -
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And in my one man corp? I can have my one man corp own all the assets and just let my alts and their corps have access.
We really shouldn't have to spell this out for you. Conceptually it is the opposite of what eve is about. Mechanically its exploitable as ****.
Just let players dec for whatever reasons they like (they are easy enough to avoid anyways). But make social corps for people who don't want to be wardecced.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26624
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Posted - 2016.08.21 12:08:08 -
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Didn't read the OP, assumed it was another poorly thought out suggestion for change that completely ignores the nature of the game.
Turns out I was right.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
84
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Posted - 2016.08.21 14:39:06 -
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Step 1: Pay a merc to destroy POS. Step 2: Merc slips spy into corp. Step 3: Spy illegally aggresses merc gaining a kill right. Step 4: Merc removes POS. Step 5: Set up new POS. Step 6: Set safety to green permanently, enjoy invincible POS.
There you go. My POS cannot be removed by any reasonable force. I can now enjoy a completely safe POS, or just leave a dead stick there and demand large amounts of money for a POS location 2j out of Jita. There's no counterplay to this.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
957
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Posted - 2016.08.21 14:43:52 -
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War decs need a rethink badly and I do not have trouble admitting that they should be removed and even I do not like this idea.
-1 |
zus
Cyber Naval Command Research and Development
77
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Posted - 2016.08.21 17:21:51 -
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In Highsec Economic power rules ,
In Highsec you need Starbase Charter , supply and demand factors also affect LP Store Cost increase in region
Unlimited POS in orbit Limited resources on Moon
Inactive POS gradually loses orbit
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
86
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Posted - 2016.08.21 17:59:07 -
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zus wrote:In Highsec Economic power rules ,
In Highsec you need Starbase Charter , supply and demand factors also affect LP Store Cost increase in region
Unlimited POS in orbit Limited resources on Moon
Inactive POS gradually loses orbit
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
396
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Posted - 2016.08.22 00:08:54 -
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zus wrote:In Highsec Economic power rules ,
In Highsec you need Starbase Charter , supply and demand factors also affect LP Store Cost increase in region
Unlimited POS in orbit Limited resources on Moon
Inactive POS gradually loses orbit
Who says that economic power rules?
I don't ever remember seeing a CCP post declaring that that was their intent. Please provide evidence supporting your claim.
And now you're just adding features to cover the holes in your idea. The need to patch up holes in your idea is indicative that your idea is just bad and wrong.
No spies are getting into this alt corp. No toons in this corp will ever shoot anything illegally. All of my POSes and Cits are safe. |
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
808
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Posted - 2016.08.22 00:22:54 -
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zus wrote:But that doesn't stop a spy from infiltrating your corporation and creating an incident leading to War So nothing is set in stone.
so lets have a corp who stays small and keeps membership to core friends.
Close off recruiting, stays that core and....this doesn't happen.
Been here before. Formed an empire based indy corp with friends once. With our empire alts. Any bloodlust was taken care of in 0.0. Our philosophy simple in empire....it was where me made additional isk to pay for 0.0 pvp and even make some profit ideally.. this much easier when you aren't making people mad at you by shooting them.
This is what many would do in your setup. The alt corp of trusted people in an unassailable structure. See my case and some others is we come to eve from other games. Been rolling with the same peeps in the same guild in other games for a good while....they become good choices for trusted partners in eve. We just call the guild a corp in eve....SSDD beyond that. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2898
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Posted - 2016.08.24 14:50:22 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:zus wrote:But that doesn't stop a spy from infiltrating your corporation and creating an incident leading to War So nothing is set in stone. so lets have a corp who stays small and keeps membership to core friends. Close off recruiting, stays that core and....this doesn't happen. Been here before. Formed an empire based indy corp with friends once. With our empire alts. Any bloodlust was taken care of in 0.0. Our philosophy simple in empire....it was where me made additional isk to pay for 0.0 pvp and even make some profit ideally.. this much easier when you aren't making people mad at you by shooting them. This is what many would do in your setup. The alt corp of trusted people in an unassailable structure. See my case and some others is we come to eve from other games. Been rolling with the same peeps in the same guild in other games for a good while....they become good choices for trusted partners in eve. We just call the guild a corp in eve....SSDD beyond that.
... you don't even need to do that you could have a fully open corp let anyone in and just use an alt corp with just one guy to put up the citadels
Citadel worm hole tax
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Solecist Project
32407
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Posted - 2016.08.24 15:18:50 -
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Too easy.
This idea promotes "lawfull" behaviour due to demanding a "just cause" ... ... which is not only highly subjective ... ... except for the self righteous monsters ... ... but also ridiculous, because every cause is just in the eyes of the one "causing".
Furthermore is it clearly intended to shield carebears.
Now i got to read through this clusterflower...
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2244
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Posted - 2016.08.24 18:31:30 -
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Do I need to read any of this, or is my assumption that some whiny numpty wants the rules changed because other people are doing things he doesn't like basically on point?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Solecist Project
32422
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Posted - 2016.08.24 18:39:52 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Do I need to read any of this, or is my assumption that some whiny numpty wants the rules changed because other people are doing things he doesn't like basically on point? Nono!
This one seems to be one of those who believe that there should be some sort of honour-system ... ... where only those would participate in ... ... who have non anyway.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
658
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Posted - 2016.08.25 05:36:28 -
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Came for zus post. Wasn't disappointed!
In a player-driven universe, declaring war because I don't like your forumposts would be perfectly valid. As it should be. If a council were able to stop an armed conflict, world wars one and two would not have happened. |
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