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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.08.27 11:44:41 -
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Random Assassin wrote:Go back to page 1 loser and read the original post, it reads CONTENT not no risk isk.
The sense of entitlement is strong with this one.
PvE "content" in HiSec is exactly what I described it as: NO Risk ISK.
Take your juvenile, petty insults back to wherever it is you come from Mr. Doesn't Register On A Killboard Carebear.
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Solecist Project
32588
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Posted - 2016.08.27 13:04:27 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Random Assassin wrote:Go back to page 1 loser and read the original post, it reads CONTENT not no risk isk. The sense of entitlement is strong with this one. PvE "content" in HiSec is exactly what I described it as: NO Risk ISK. Take your juvenile, petty insults back to wherever it is you come from Mr. Doesn't Register On A Killboard Carebear. That's not true at all! *stomps* It's almost impossible not to lose your victim's loot when you gank with a single account only!
:/
Convo me NOW and say "Hello, ma baby, hello, ma honey, Hello, ma ragtime gal! Send me a kiss by wire; Baby, my hearts on fire!" and receive two million ISK! :D
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1145
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:17:56 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Maybe the thing with the profile pic ... ... that looks like a young crying woman that gets beaten or drugged ... ... has a good reason behind it. No. Its "Leave Carebears Alone!". Oh God... now I can't get that video out of my head - overlaid with dat profile pic. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
161
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:33:22 -
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I concur. Capital ships in highsec. just remove cyno ability and have single room anoms or even single room incursions for dreads / carriers.
Do something ballsy for once CCP. Instead of breaking what isn't broken, how about making the game interesting again instead of the skillpoint shellgame making 3 months of skilling irrelevant every 3 months. |
Kilarya Amarri
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
6
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:47:12 -
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Orca retrofit
8 hardpoints
5% rof 5% dmg to large artillery cannon
Role bonus
Pulverize >25% increase to alpha strike of artillery cannons.
Mobile shipyard >can produce up to BC class hull out of salvage n loot
Unfocused jump drive>can lock on large celestial body's in adjacent systems to achieve gate less jump
Yep would fly that regular caps for high sec pve would be a)overkill b)boring |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3672
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:49:50 -
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Alverina Rin wrote:Soel Reit, sorry I meant solo / highsec :)
Capitals don't fit in cribs |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
916
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:42:09 -
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Theres only one way I can see this working....
Deadspace pocket with a full grid, in the center is a "cyno beacon" that needs to be activated by a pilot in any ship, that can then cyno in a carrier or dread to the mission space. This entire grid runs on low sec mechanics and for all parts IS low sec space. Going off grid with the capital gets you concorded, lore bite is that concord doesnt condone such shenanigans. And you must effectively jump back out again to low sec again. This limits where such a mission could spawn to 5LYs from low/null sec.
This all could facilitate that the capital pilot running said mission can be pew pewed by anyone scanning the mission pocket down, entering it and also lighting said cyno beacon in the pocket and dropping their own capitals on the player with full low sec rules applying. Sec status losses and suspect status for engaging without war dec, nothing with war dec.
Rewards would be double the best high sec L4 mission plus the chance of a faction dread spawn in high sec comparable to null sec Haven or belt spawn rates. Only faction not True, Dread, Domi, Shadow available. This would make the entire mission worth roughly 100mil plus an added 50mil or so for the faction spawn if and when it happens at the risk of being dropped, bridged, blopsed, in high sec space by anyone.
I think this would be about the right reward structure for the risk involved.
You could make these optional storyline missions much like the burners are so as not to make them too plentiful in nature. Read mission spawn rate adjusting by CCP.
Then I would say allow capitals in high sec.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5124
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Posted - 2016.08.27 19:41:11 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Since theres no apparent reason the nerds have for it being a bad idea Ill tell you why its a good idea.
This and every other MMO out there survives on PvE -our ability to enjoy PvP relies on the funds generated by non-pvprs.
I PvEd in EvE early on mining my first battleship, then running level 4 missions. Then null ratting and null anoms, WH rats...
A few times I came back to EvE after a break I tried PvE. It was intolerable, I think I managed half a worlds collide in a Vindi before I began to feel ill since Id done this and every other mission likely hundreds perhaps thousands of times. You see irrespective of what mission, anom, belt rat you,ve killed they all behave exactly the same. Even incursions and wormholes its the same thing over and over.
Those of you who have played LoL, WoW, EQ just imagine how boringly aweful it would be if every NPC in every zone instance or dungeon just stood there or began slowly running circles around you throwing various sized rusty daggers and casting level 1 frostbolt and thats EvEs PvE in a nutshell.
So what is there other than writing completely new PvE other than new PvE ships to keep people interested.
In the,end it does not matter about the nerds so emotionally invested in highsec jealousy that they would oppose all forms of improving the game for highsec only players and thus providing more subs and funds for all. All that matters is convincing CCP to dump the Band of Developers and Devswarm bias and get some competent leadership with businesd acumen.
In everywhere in there, there is no reason for letting capitals into HS.
Sure it would be "new" until it was not and you were "feeling ill" again and came back here whining for something else to keep you occupied.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5124
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Posted - 2016.08.27 19:49:56 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:I concur. Capital ships in highsec. just remove cyno ability and have single room anoms or even single room incursions for dreads / carriers.
Do something ballsy for once CCP. Instead of breaking what isn't broken, how about making the game interesting again instead of the skillpoint shellgame making 3 months of skilling irrelevant every 3 months.
How would this make the game interesting again?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2016.08.27 20:20:38 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Explain why you think its a stupid idea That you consider it to be a good one is reason enough to dismiss it out of hand.
Be sure to biomass when you leave to crawl back into whatever hole you emerged from this time.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17771
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Posted - 2016.08.27 21:59:40 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Since theres no apparent reason the nerds have for it being a bad idea Ill tell you why its a good idea.
This and every other MMO out there survives on PvE -our ability to enjoy PvP relies on the funds generated by non-pvprs.
I PvEd in EvE early on mining my first battleship, then running level 4 missions. Then null ratting and null anoms, WH rats...
A few times I came back to EvE after a break I tried PvE. It was intolerable, I think I managed half a worlds collide in a Vindi before I began to feel ill since Id done this and every other mission likely hundreds perhaps thousands of times. You see irrespective of what mission, anom, belt rat you,ve killed they all behave exactly the same. Even incursions and wormholes its the same thing over and over.
Those of you who have played LoL, WoW, EQ just imagine how boringly aweful it would be if every NPC in every zone instance or dungeon just stood there or began slowly running circles around you throwing various sized rusty daggers and casting level 1 frostbolt and thats EvEs PvE in a nutshell.
So what is there other than writing completely new PvE other than new PvE ships to keep people interested.
In the,end it does not matter about the nerds so emotionally invested in highsec jealousy that they would oppose all forms of improving the game for highsec only players and thus providing more subs and funds for all. All that matters is convincing CCP to dump the Band of Developers and Devswarm bias and get some competent leadership with businesd acumen. This is a PvP focused game, its not like those other MMOs nor should it be. Incorrect. I'd be happy to post a screenshot of my original EvE box to once again prove you wrong.... I would also be happy to post pictures of your Bike Dog "Law Degtee"with complimentay smacked arse expression on your face
if you fancy.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5128
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Posted - 2016.08.28 00:14:43 -
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Giaus Felix wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Explain why you think its a stupid idea That you consider it to be a good one is reason enough to dismiss it out of hand. Be sure to biomass when you leave to crawl back into whatever hole you emerged from this time.
Pretty much. If one were to adopt the rule: any proposal supported by Infinity Ziona is bad one would have a very good rule.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14498
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Posted - 2016.08.28 04:52:05 -
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I know Im not the only pve player who finds these "improve pve" types irritating. They never seem to discover the fact that the pve isnt the problem, its their own unreasonable preferences. They prefer standard mmo pve and want eve pve to be like that, you can see it in infinity ziona's mentioning of other mmos.
Yet EVERY attempt to add that kind of pve to eve has failed. People try the new stuff for a few weeks and go right back to saving the same ole damsel, because eve pve players arent standard mmo pvers and ccp isn't the kind of outfit that can pump out constant pve content like themepark mmo makers can. Ccp even trying tondo that is foolish.
As for infinity, its just like any outbreak style desease, sure it hurts for a while, but it will rage quit again in a few weeks, so jst toughmit out |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1154
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Posted - 2016.08.28 04:57:13 -
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Eeeeasy on Ziona gaiz...
Don't make me administer y'all with a "stern talking to!" |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.08.28 06:12:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I know Im not the only pve player who finds these "improve pve" types irritating. They never seem to discover the fact that the pve isnt the problem, its their own unreasonable preferences. They prefer standard mmo pve and want eve pve to be like that, you can see it in infinity ziona's mentioning of other mmos. Yet EVERY attempt to add that kind of pve to eve has failed. People try the new stuff for a few weeks and go right back to saving the same ole damsel, because eve pve players arent standard mmo pvers and ccp isn't the kind of outfit that can pump out constant pve content like themepark mmo makers can. Ccp even trying tondo that is foolish. As for infinity, its just like any outbreak style desease, sure it hurts for a while, but it will rage quit again in a few weeks, so jst toughmit out
Sure because they all know how to beat the Damsel in Distress, but introducing something new or something that actually approximates PvP into PvE just annoys them and sends them back to whatever they know they can beat.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Tara Read
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
867
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Posted - 2016.08.28 10:53:28 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Since theres no apparent reason the nerds have for it being a bad idea Ill tell you why its a good idea.
This and every other MMO out there survives on PvE -our ability to enjoy PvP relies on the funds generated by non-pvprs.
I PvEd in EvE early on mining my first battleship, then running level 4 missions. Then null ratting and null anoms, WH rats...
A few times I came back to EvE after a break I tried PvE. It was intolerable, I think I managed half a worlds collide in a Vindi before I began to feel ill since Id done this and every other mission likely hundreds perhaps thousands of times. You see irrespective of what mission, anom, belt rat you,ve killed they all behave exactly the same. Even incursions and wormholes its the same thing over and over.
Those of you who have played LoL, WoW, EQ just imagine how boringly aweful it would be if every NPC in every zone instance or dungeon just stood there or began slowly running circles around you throwing various sized rusty daggers and casting level 1 frostbolt and thats EvEs PvE in a nutshell.
So what is there other than writing completely new PvE other than new PvE ships to keep people interested.
In the,end it does not matter about the nerds so emotionally invested in highsec jealousy that they would oppose all forms of improving the game for highsec only players and thus providing more subs and funds for all. All that matters is convincing CCP to dump the Band of Developers and Devswarm bias and get some competent leadership with businesd acumen.
PVE is only a means to drive players in their ability to PVP. If you don't like that then stay in high sec. Capitals in high sec serve no purpose as they are tools and heavy assets to fuel the broader conflicts of New Eden beyond the borders of high sec. Capital ships serve no purpose in attracting new players in a high sec state due to their skill intensity and complexity with the post Citadel changes. While you could inject to fly a capital properly, the experience behind it is simply not there for a newer player.
The OP clearly has no idea what they are talking about since Capitals are used on a regular basis in low sec and null for PVE.
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
17
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Posted - 2016.08.29 01:52:17 -
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All this complaining is ignoring the true benefit of allowing capitals in high sec: watching the high sec merc corps DD the Jita undock 23/7 |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
910
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Posted - 2016.08.29 03:32:39 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:All this complaining is ignoring the true benefit of allowing capitals in high sec: watching the high sec merc corps DD the Jita undock 23/7
This hilarious blockade you envisage would last for as long as it takes some of the lowsec & 0.0 entities to buy up Clone Soldier tags, fix security statuses and slam into Jita with a supercap fleet that blots out the sun.
Expect a huge, short term, increase in demand for heavy interdictor class cruisers.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
668
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Posted - 2016.08.29 03:50:44 -
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Not really. They'd all be in NPC corps in SeBo'ed dreads and/or Carriers.
Who doesn't want XXL Tornadoes on the undock, amirite?
Next thing you know, they're going to cry and cry and cry that LIF support is unfair because they're in NPC corps and it takes more than 24 guys to gank 'em and the lootdrop is subpar and they didn't turn a profit.
Amarr FW corp will camp Hek and Rens, tanking the faction popo with easy or undocking the mother of all reps because leet PvP in a Legion with two Nestors on standby simply wasn't leet enough.
And you know what else is going to happen? Nano Hels strolling around, not a care in the world-- whereas otherwise they'd carefully plan a trajectory and anchor POSses in space where one can actually shoot them.
Bears AFK ratting level IVs in Thannies, of course also in NPC corps ... oh yessir, pushing the little guy off the market is the new best thing; firesales on 4bil Vindis and Paladins.
It'd be a glorious symphony of tears for about a week or so. Then you'd be asking "CCP can we get T2 supercarriers? I'm bored with this ship, I think I need bigger rats for even greater payouts."
So wrong it isn't even funny. Concord protection for caps- for real? |
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
17
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Posted - 2016.08.29 12:40:00 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:
This hilarious blockade you envisage would last for as long as it takes some of the lowsec & 0.0 entities to buy up Clone Soldier tags, fix security statuses and slam into Jita with a supercap fleet that blots out the sun.
Expect a huge, short term, increase in demand for heavy interdictor class cruisers.
I agree that Titans on the Jita undock would get blobbed, tackled, and killed right away.
I figured instead of talking about how EVE has never allowed capitals therefore it shouldn't, we could talk about why that is actually a bad idea.
Although if we are allowing caps in HS, that means CONCORD now has a superfleet to deal with criminals... but CODE now has dreads to take care of freighters (assuming they even need dreads)
lots of destabilizing changes would happen just so bears can have AFK mission boats.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26699
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Posted - 2016.08.29 12:53:41 -
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^^ Concord don't need caps to take down anything we can fly, because of the way Concord works their current equipment is more than capable of taking down cap ships.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Voxinian
101
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:09:16 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:
If hisec gets much more lucrative than it currently is, why would anyone ever go to the more dangerous areas of space to live and setup a little space yurt?
Highsec is already very lucerative. Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14502
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:19:17 -
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Voxinian wrote:
Highsec is already very lucerative.
This is the only part of that post that is true.
Quote: Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics.
This is the self serving lie people tell themselves to make themselves feel better about not personally being able to do something.
Other people are solo pvping in low sec just fine, with bling boats in fact. |
Solecist Project
32612
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:20:57 -
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Voxinian wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:
If hisec gets much more lucrative than it currently is, why would anyone ever go to the more dangerous areas of space to live and setup a little space yurt?
Highsec is already very lucerative. Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics. Wrong.
The reward is the fight and the feelings from it. The feelings of uncertainty and risking your assets.
With tnat short statement you exposed yourself as unqualified for the topic. If you're too poor to not use cheap ships for combat then you're doing it wrong.
If all you see as reward is money then you got to be damn poor ...
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Voxinian
101
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:29:53 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Voxinian wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:
If hisec gets much more lucrative than it currently is, why would anyone ever go to the more dangerous areas of space to live and setup a little space yurt?
Highsec is already very lucerative. Give me one good reason to bring an expensive bling boat to low sec solo for pvp? The reward at best is some loot from an other pvper, the risk is losing an epxensive boat that has only ****** insurance. So to participate in pvp and go to low sec solo you would do that with some cheap throw away ships and not in the expensive ships you rather fly in. EVE is to corportaion/gang focussed for any solo player wanting to go low sec searching for bigger risk/reward. EVE needs more content suited for solo pvp. EVE is creating care bears by their own game mechanics. Wrong. The reward is the fight and the feelings from it. The feelings of uncertainty and risking your assets. With tnat short statement you exposed yourself as unqualified for the topic. If you're too poor to not use cheap ships for combat then you're doing it wrong. If all you see as reward is money then you got to be damn poor ... The last line though is true, but not limited to solo combag. Sadly you're supporting the downfall if all you care about is isk.
Assumptions with a demeaning tone, pathetic really. Are you 12, or an adult?
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Solecist Project
32612
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:42:17 -
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So you have nothing to counter my words ... ... and admit that you're narrow minded and only look at the isk.
Well, if that doesn't make you the insecure child who identifies with imaginary spacemoney ... ... then, well ... hahahahahahaha okay.
Why not try addressing my post, instead of behaving like a carebear?
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Voxinian
101
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:48:31 -
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Solecist Project wrote:So you have nothing to counter my words ... ... and admit that you're narrow minded and only look at the isk.
Well, if that doesn't make you the insecure child who identifies with imaginary spacemoney ... ... then, well ... hahahahahahaha okay.
Why not try addressing my post, instead of behaving like a carebear?
Learn how to discuss like an adult with manners and some social skills first. You are only making a big idiot out of yourself, but I am afraid you are not aware of that. In fact, you think that your anti-social comments are cool and everyone will look up to you. Again, pathetic. |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:52:12 -
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Well, I'm not the one who refuses to address my points like he can't. I'm not the one who uses SJW and carebear tactics to evade addressing the post.
The anger in you is clearly visible.
How can I be a child, when I adress your points ... ... and you're an adult, when you behave like a angry, insecure teen?
And no, you're projecting. I don't write stuff so people look up to me.
It seems that's what you want for yourself, else you wouldn't behave like an insecure teenager.
So you care about fake status from isk and now this?
Address my points! Like an adult!
I dare you! :)
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Voxinian
101
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Posted - 2016.08.29 14:25:05 -
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If you wouldn't be such a self entitled narcistic douche then you would have read my opinion in my first comment already. An opinion you obviously do not agree with and with that your narcisitc mind felt the urge toy comment like a self entitled anti-social douche. Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of trolling and being a douche.
What is wrong with EVE? Anti-solcial douche bags like you. Self entitled pricks that think they own EVE and the EVE forum. |
Solecist Project
32622
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Posted - 2016.08.29 14:37:38 -
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Well, I've tried talking to you. vOv
Anti-social.... heh. Says the wimp who thinks isk and "being looked up upon" matters.
Well, you added "douchebag" to the list of things you are. The amount of projection is hilarious.
You definitely don't come across as tough guy. No one is looking up to you. No one cares about the isk in your wallet. You're a loser, desperately trying to get people to think good of you.
All people see instead is that you're an angry, insecure manchild.
You can have the last word. I know that the insecure types like you desperately need it to feel better about themselves.
So feel free to type whatever nonsense that helps your delusional ego from exploding.
I know you need it.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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