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Fedo Otsolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.29 10:41:12 -
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So... you make a capital damage mod hultank something...
and you make Freighters.... capital ships.... the only ships that cannot use capital mod that is more or less Specifically DESIGNED to save them from gankers.
Fix in next pach.
Pronto.
That IS an order.
Give carebears a fighting chance.... for CONCORD to do their job.... WHAT ARE WE PAYING THEM FOR ANYWAYS!!!!!!
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.29 10:51:49 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:So... you make a capital damage mod hultank something...
and you make Freighters.... capital ships.... the only ships that cannot use capital mod that is more or less Specifically DESIGNED to save them from gankers.
Fix in next pach.
Pronto.
That IS an order.
Give carebears a fighting chance.... for CONCORD to do their job.... WHAT ARE WE PAYING THEM FOR ANYWAYS!!!!!!
Retribution. We pay them for retribution.
Also, no. Freighters are fine. A freighter is not a combat ship, and it shouldn't have capital combat ship levels of tank. Learn to play smarter, not harder.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2689
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Posted - 2016.08.29 10:54:37 -
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No, I rather keep freighters as they are. You know, if they were to turn into actual capitals with rigs, more slots and more fitting resources, you would have to fit them with: - all sorts of things to recover the massive loss in raw HP they would suffer - all sorts of things to recover the massive loss of cargo volume, which reduce their HP even further - all sorts of things but still suffer from a mediocre hybrid between some tank and some cargo (still less than current values) for a massively increased price tag.
Considering this, I think freighters are fine as they are. More choices are not good in their case, they would just cause more annoyance.
So, next time, THINK before you give out orders.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2915
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Posted - 2016.08.29 10:59:21 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote: capital mod that is more or less Specifically DESIGNED to save them from gankers.
It's built so you can survive a DD because they removed combat re-fitting something that was the only tool for capital pilots to be able to tank them by swapping to fully resist the DDs damage. Nothing a freighter needs to worry about
EHE would not just make you harder to gank in HS it would make it impossible in many systems as the EHE lasts longer than it takes CONCORD to get there.
besides that if you use the tools you already have and fly smart it is plenty hard to get killed. in all my years in this game the only freighters i have ever lost were to WT or in LS
now i wont lie when they changed the base structure resist it did really make me think they don't care about freighter balance but only in regards to within the class. What that change did was take most of the choice from what freighter to fly it used to be
Caldari > most cargo(what is tank) Galnete > 2nd best cargo 2nd best tank amarr > best tank Minmatar fastest
the change removed all reason to fly amarr and pushed the galente freighter leagues above the rest as it still had the second best tank but now it also had the best tank
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1052
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:01:25 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote: So, next time, THINK before you give out orders.
You're asking for rather a lot, don't you think Rivr.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Wimzy Chent-Shi
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
69
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:12:13 -
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Remember that patch that gave all hulls 33% ressist and freighters free ehp boost? I would check facts. However, if formulated in a less egoistic and infantyle manner the idea has some valid grounds for a discussion:
We have a mod that would reward freighters for being on their toes through near invulnerability for a minute. It would be extremely op in high sec circumstances and gankers would not really be able to "bait it out" since one would use it only after reaching structure. And ofc the mod originally intended to counter doomsdays has no reasonable place in highsec.
So how do we nerf that so that the wolf and crybaby remain pleased?
I would implement a freighter version with ridiculous cap requirement to cycle. That way the gankers can neut little cap down to prevent it and frequent cap draining warps would aswell limit the use aswell. It should be "just" runnable with lvl5 skills cap (hi boosters, welcome implants), so that fitting it would enforce cap mods, which in turn would have to accompany it (being fitable to freighters).
I would probably advise against a meta-inducing module.
Make a newbro foundation started @ here
Let us help those newbros that can not PLEX themselves.
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Fedo Otsolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:14:32 -
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IF YOU can fit normal damage control you can fit this:
Read explanation of item. No logic (yea i know this is eve... there logic goes and dies in developes dravers... but still... )
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Fedo Otsolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:18:40 -
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Wimzy Chent-Shi wrote:Remember that patch that gave all hulls 33% ressist and freighters free ehp boost? I would check facts. However, if formulated in a less egoistic and infantyle manner the idea has some valid grounds for a discussion:
We have a mod that would reward freighters for being on their toes through near invulnerability for a minute. It would be extremely op in high sec circumstances and gankers would not really be able to "bait it out" since one would use it only after reaching structure. And ofc the mod originally intended to counter doomsdays has no reasonable place in highsec.
So how do we nerf that so that the wolf and crybaby remain pleased?
I would implement a freighter version with ridiculous cap requirement to cycle. That way the gankers can neut little cap down to prevent it and frequent cap draining warps would limit the use aswell. It should be "just" runnable with lvl5 skills cap (hi boosters, welcome implants), so that fitting it would enforce cap mods, which in turn would have to accompany it (being fitable to freighters).
I would probably advise against a meta-inducing module.
They can still catch you on next wave... next system.... you have to repair the damd thing.
There is no wolf there is no crybaby.... there is that thing.... where X isk = Y isk ship gets ganked.... this way we multiplie it... by a factor of 2.
Since is not just the price of the ship but the cargo also.... so its more like X isk freighter = 2*X isk to kill it |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:22:40 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:So... you make a capital damage mod hultank something...
and you make Freighters.... capital ships.... the only ships that cannot use capital mod that is more or less Specifically DESIGNED to save them from gankers.
Fix in next pach.
Pronto.
That IS an order.
Give carebears a fighting chance.... for CONCORD to do their job.... WHAT ARE WE PAYING THEM FOR ANYWAYS!!!!!! Look at this "person".
"That IS an order!" Or else WHAT??? Are you going to cry loud so everyone hears you?
Oh mighty emperor, your wish is our command! - no one ever
Buzz off and get some manners you child. The amount of freighters getting ganked is irrelevant in relation to the amount of people fkying freighters.
If i see you in a freighter i will make you feel miserable.
Then try ordering ME around!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2915
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:23:27 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:They can still catch you on next wave... next system.... you have to repair the damd thing.
why exactly am i going to the next system and not just docking in this one?
maybe you really can't think when it comes to matters of self preservation
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Fedo Otsolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:31:39 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Fedo Otsolen wrote:They can still catch you on next wave... next system.... you have to repair the damd thing. why exactly am i going to the next system and not just docking in this one? maybe you really can't think when it comes to matters of self preservation
Did you know there are system in EvE with no stations? |
Wimzy Chent-Shi
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
70
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:31:56 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:Wimzy Chent-Shi wrote:Remember that patch that gave all hulls 33% ressist and freighters free ehp boost? I would check facts. However, if formulated in a less egoistic and infantyle manner the idea has some valid grounds for a discussion:
We have a mod that would reward freighters for being on their toes through near invulnerability for a minute. It would be extremely op in high sec circumstances and gankers would not really be able to "bait it out" since one would use it only after reaching structure. And ofc the mod originally intended to counter doomsdays has no reasonable place in highsec.
So how do we nerf that so that the wolf and crybaby remain pleased?
I would implement a freighter version with ridiculous cap requirement to cycle. That way the gankers can neut little cap down to prevent it and frequent cap draining warps would limit the use aswell. It should be "just" runnable with lvl5 skills cap (hi boosters, welcome implants), so that fitting it would enforce cap mods, which in turn would have to accompany it (being fitable to freighters).
I would probably advise against a meta-inducing module. They can still catch you on next wave... next system.... you have to repair the damd thing. There is no wolf there is no crybaby.... there is that thing.... where X isk = Y isk ship gets ganked.... this way we multiplie it... by a factor of 2. Since is not just the price of the ship but the cargo also.... so its more like X isk freighter = 2*X isk to kill it
#notMakingMyPlaystyleOPAtSomeoneElsesExpense Making the run go twice essentialy doubles the possible value of goods as if suspecting the mod being fitted was not annoying enough. ... you have to scan the damn thing. I understand getting ganked sucks and that both sides argue over who is more imbalanced. Considering you recently received a 1,33 multiplier you still seem to ignore. Safe way to transfer assets? Why? Have someone else do it. If it becomes a worse job you get paid more for "less" effort. As stated before even this minor tweak wrecked the racial hull selection balancing enough.
Make a newbro foundation started @ here
Let us help those newbros that can not PLEX themselves.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2915
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Posted - 2016.08.29 11:47:36 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Fedo Otsolen wrote:They can still catch you on next wave... next system.... you have to repair the damd thing. why exactly am i going to the next system and not just docking in this one? maybe you really can't think when it comes to matters of self preservation Did you know there are system in EvE with no stations?
yeah plenty but you can't balance a mod like this around only some systems.
and even then it is no issue
"there is a system sketchy system on my route I should BM mid way between the gates and put a mobile depo there"
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2438
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Posted - 2016.08.29 12:25:40 -
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He has a point. The way freighters are atm theyre worth ganking even when empty. There should be a reasonable cost but there is not. Take a look at Baltec1s last day of ganking in high -14 frieghters ganked. 13 empty.
Stupid situation, my idea of each class of ship having specific resistance to smaller class guns would help.
A dessie shooting another dessie 100%damage, shooting a cruiser, 90%, battleship 70%, freighter 60%, etc etc.
Makes no sense atm battleship shooting frig 20%or less while frig shooting all bigger ships is 100.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2915
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Posted - 2016.08.29 12:38:36 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:He has a point. The way freighters are atm theyre worth ganking even when empty. There should be a reasonable cost but there is not. Take a look at Baltec1s last day of ganking in high -14 frieghters ganked. 13 empty.
Stupid situation, my idea of each class of ship having specific resistance to smaller class guns would help.
A dessie shooting another dessie 100%damage, shooting a cruiser, 90%, battleship 70%, freighter 60%, etc etc.
Makes no sense atm battleship shooting frig 20%or less while frig shooting all bigger ships is 100.
Bigger ships already have a better resistance to small ones.... they have more ehp and small ones have lower dps weapons
As for the part that doesn't make seance to you that is what makes it so in eve smaller ships can always have a place in the fight making every ship relevant (bigger isn't better) and then again small ships technically do 100% damage to big ones but not really
Say a frig has 10 dps and 20hp and fights another identical frig. Now he goes and fights a cruiser it has 20dps and 40hp. In this situation the frigate has had his dps effectively cut by 75% but in a way that feels more natural
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3473
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Posted - 2016.08.29 12:58:37 -
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Freighters just got a huge tank buff for no reason...
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26699
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:17:51 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:He has a point. The way freighters are atm theyre worth ganking even when empty. There should be a reasonable cost but there is not. Take a look at Baltec1s last day of ganking in high -14 frieghters ganked. 13 empty. He plays the odds, and the odds are that the pilot of the freighter has made themselves easy to gank through their own choices and actions
Quote:Stupid situation, my idea of each class of ship having specific resistance to smaller class guns would help.
A dessie shooting another dessie 100%damage, shooting a cruiser, 90%, battleship 70%, freighter 60%, etc etc. The game engine doesn't give a damn about weapon size it cares about damage profiles, you're also completely discounting the fact that larger ships are inherently able to soak up much more damage than smaller ships.
Quote:Makes no sense atm battleship shooting frig 20%or less while frig shooting all bigger ships is 100. Actually it makes perfect sense. Battleship size weapons are limited by their mass and the mechanical stresses involved in moving them as to how fast they can tilt and turn, smaller weapons are not; basically a large weapon is slow and cumbersome which means that you don't use it against small rapidly moving targets, you use a smaller weapon that isn't so cumbersome to do that job. TL;DR Use the right tool for the job and the job gets easier.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2916
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:43:40 -
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If we are going to get into realistic reasons for turret tracking can you also take a stab at missiles. I get the game play side of it
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2712
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Posted - 2016.08.29 14:03:13 -
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So why would it be different this time around?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
1048
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Posted - 2016.08.29 14:09:22 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:He has a point. The way freighters are atm theyre worth ganking even when empty. There should be a reasonable cost but there is not. Take a look at Baltec1s last day of ganking in high -14 frieghters ganked. 13 empty.
Stupid situation, my idea of each class of ship having specific resistance to smaller class guns would help.
A dessie shooting another dessie 100%damage, shooting a cruiser, 90%, battleship 70%, freighter 60%, etc etc.
Makes no sense atm battleship shooting frig 20%or less while frig shooting all bigger ships is 100. They dont get ganked because its worth it, they get ganked to make a point.
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Angry Onions
Pathway to the Next
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Posted - 2016.08.29 14:31:32 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:whining
Fix in next pach.
Pronto.
That IS an order.
Lol or what? What'chu gonna do if (read: when) they ignore you?
Fedo Otsolen wrote:Give carebears a fighting chance.... for CONCORD to do their job.... WHAT ARE WE PAYING THEM FOR ANYWAYS!!!!!!
Pretty sure we're not paying them at all?
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2917
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Posted - 2016.08.29 15:58:44 -
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Fedo Otsolen wrote:Give carebears a fighting chance.... for CONCORD to do their job....
I love this line its like he realizes they do have a fighting chance and had to add in that he wants concord to do it
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:31:57 -
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Just one more nerf. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1011
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Posted - 2016.08.29 20:52:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Just one more nerf.
I have a mission for you, sir. In fact, I think several of us have a mission for you.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Gerhard Stringfellow
Fisherbody Trading Company
92
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Posted - 2016.08.29 21:23:30 -
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If Freighters had true capital levels of tank everyone including myself would afk haul and hi sec piracy would be dead; this would not be a good thing. It's actually tough to gank (having tried it with mixed success) and takes real coordination and patience to FC a freighter gank, especially while -10.
Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1068
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Posted - 2016.08.29 22:32:21 -
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They don't hate freighters at all.
I've moved hundreds of billions around in freighters. I have never lost one. I have even made some ISK moving stuff around. The moment they are functionally immune to their owners' ignorance of how to keep them safe, I will not make another penny moving people's stuff, nor will anyone else. Good freighter pilots are worthy paying for specifically because bad freighter pilots won't actually get the stuff moved on time, or in one piece. You pay for expertise and time. If freighters were immune to ganks, then moving stuff would take neither expertise nor time, and thus would be worth no ISK at all.
A)Use a scout.
B)Use a webbing alt/corpmate
C)Use killboards to look for activity and known hazard systems
D)The hull patch a few patches ago gave freighters a TON more HP, at zero cost.
E)Combat capitals are much different than freighters. A good freighter pilot will never even so much as get yellow boxed, where a good combat capital pilot will be the focus of large amounts of punishment.
F)If there was an emergency hull energizer for freighters, it would be literally impossible to ever gank in high sec. The 20s of immunity it buys would place you surrounded by 20 concord spawns, and plenty of time to warp off to safety no matter how fast the gankers can pull.
G)Even more HP straight up is a bad defense. JFs die too, in high sec, and they have lots more HP. Don't get caught in the first place. There's a reason why red frog is worth paying for, and part of that is the 98+% success rate they have.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
615
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Posted - 2016.08.29 22:45:25 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:
B)Use a webbing alt/corpmate
ON the subject of freighters and webbing alts etc..... can we just get a module/mechanic designed to do this already? The duel/web alt is great and all.... but it's not what it's designed to do and I'm guessing since CCP hasn't removed/modified the duel/web alt thing, they're okay with it being a thing. So..... can we stop beating around the bush and just get a proper mechanic for it yet?
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Fedo Otsolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.29 23:30:43 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:
B)Use a webbing alt/corpmate
ON the subject of freighters and webbing alts etc..... can we just get a module/mechanic designed to do this already? The duel/web alt is great and all.... but it's not what it's designed to do and I'm guessing since CCP hasn't removed/modified the duel/web alt thing, they're okay with it being a thing. So..... can we stop beating around the bush and just get a proper mechanic for it yet?
Hence the topic... why does CCP hate freighters.....
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1068
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Posted - 2016.08.29 23:43:50 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Vic Jefferson wrote:
B)Use a webbing alt/corpmate
ON the subject of freighters and webbing alts etc..... can we just get a module/mechanic designed to do this already? The duel/web alt is great and all.... but it's not what it's designed to do and I'm guessing since CCP hasn't removed/modified the duel/web alt thing, they're okay with it being a thing. So..... can we stop beating around the bush and just get a proper mechanic for it yet?
I really don't see a problem with it.
I mean at least it is philosophically consistent with what they did to combat carriers - apparently they want caps to always be supported one way or another with subcaps. Not saying I agree with it, but it is philosophically consistent.
They recently gave a ton more free HP, and the warp off after 5 mins thing.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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Fedo Otsolen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.30 00:05:58 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:I really don't see a problem with it.
That is because you only fly frigs and this may not be an area of eve you are strong in.
There is a serious issue here wich needs to be discuses. |
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