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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 16/03/2007 14:01:02 The problem is more that if you rig your ship for speed you are gonna maximize it. And since overdrives are far FAR more useful to maximize your speed it is pretty pointless to use aux thrusters for speed fittings due to the stacking penality.
Essentially, with the new patch thruster rigs are worthless. Housing rigs will be far far more useful if you want to max your speed. It would have been more "fair" just to remove the vents entirely without replacing them, that way people who had not all their rig slots filled with them could at least have saved the other rigs they had installed. Now those will be wasted too since they'll have to repackage they ships since the thruster mods are a waste of a rig space if you use overdrives as well.
It might be a good idea to balance the rigs with the modules, because right now this isn't the case. Rigs vs modules (t1 vs t2, but t1 rigs are still a good deal more expensive than t2 modules (at least once their price stabilizes):
+speed: 10% vs 20% (rig a LOT worse than the module) -inertia: 15% vs 20 (rig slightly worse than the module) -mass: 15% vs 12.5% (rig slightly better than the module)
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius There's a reason it's called the "nanoship" not the "overdriveship", and it's all about agility.
Wrong. It's about agility in addition to speed. Each alone is realtively useless, the combination makes it strong. Nanos gave both speed AND agility. Now you have to use a combination of ODs and instabs for it. With nanos filling the role of weight reducing, but housing rigs are a better alternitve for those on sisi.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fraile Cloudsinger Problem is that anyone who has heavy webbing drones will have an easy time taking you down or forcing you to warp away.
Depends. Those things die really REALLY fast if you can send a bunch of meds or lights vs them. And reduced agility also means that it will take them longer to have a real impact, so you have more time to kill them.
Managed to kill 3 webber drones from a pest in like 20 seconds with my cruse on sisi.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Stargate Dear Tux,
As well as the additional changes which we can see on sisi and you have outlined as coming in the next patch, can you please advise whether the other items which have vanished from sisi are also going to vanish from tq?
Including, but not limited to Shaqil's Speed Enhancer and Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link.
Thanks.
Quoted for additional visibility. Would very much like answers for that, too.
And whatever you do, don't you DARE to switch Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link with Zor's Custom Navigation Link. If you want to remove it just do exactly this. Switching it with something absolutely useless which everyone will instantly trash will annoy people more.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.17 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 17/03/2007 01:17:10 I don't think the change goes far enough. Basically, what it boils down to is that you still can't do solo PvP in a turret BS anymore, because even one passing nanoship will ruin your day. I have a faction-fitted machariel that's been uselessly sitting in dock since Revelations since I can't USE the sucker without dying to the first nano-BS that comes along. Needless to say, I'm quite irked about that, and I'm even more ticked that the much-touted nano-nerf won't change that situation.
I don't enjoy the "fly fast and get hit by nothing" playstyle, but it seems that the developers support that as the only way to PvP solo. Tux, by not doing a full-on nerf, you're invalidating the playstyle I enjoy (the straight-up fight).
Er.. you have read the patch notes?
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.17 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth ...from the first page of this thread.
Maybe you should actually try out the changes for yourself instead of forming your opinion based on a single line of text. Otherwise you are really doing what your sig says.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.17 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth I *did* read the changes. And, unless they've been updated in the last few hours, what Tuxford said stands. Turret ships will get wtfpwned by nanoships.
I said trying them out. Not reading. You are taking one line of text completely out of context.
The module changes are rather significant. Speed and agility got about halved for nanoBSs. Longrange turrets should not be able to hit them, but shortrange turrets sure the hell will. If turrets in general would have no problem at all to hit them nanosetups would not be *balanced* but *useless*.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.17 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 17/03/2007 12:30:24
Originally by: Achalia ...the curse. You nos as much as a nano-bs, at longer range, and your drones do more damage...
WTB: 5 medium drones + bonus which do as much dps as 5 unbonussed heavy drones
(nevermind that + 4 torp/cruise or 5 heavies WITH a bonus)
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.17 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Selim Yeah the curse isnt a nano BS by far, its also actually slower than one atm, even when fitted for speed. Not sure post patch though.
For the t2 lvl, if you fit both ships so that they have the same agility (unmodded rupture), a curse can get max speed of 3.8 km/s and a phoon one of 3.96 km/s.
A nanophoon is still faster, but not by as much as on TQ before the changes.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:09:00 -
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Yes.
And with ODs it depends on the ship. On indys, BCs and BSs they are less effective. However, on anything smaller they are more effective than before.
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