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Divine Entervention
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:50:20 -
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sero Hita wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:.
It is the person in question who has ultimate responsibility for his actions. If he is "pretending", he is still the originator of said actions and therefore ultimately held responsible for the actions he takes.
In real life, yes. But if you don't do the actions from EVE in real life (Which I think would be most of the players), there is nothing to be held responsible for, as pixel scennanigans are not breaking any real life law. If you start threathening people outside of the game for example, you can be held responsible, but not for scamming ISk from someone in game or ganking. This is what people have been saying through the whole thread, there is nothing supporting that people doing shady stuff ingame, also does it in real life.
EvE exists within real life.
Someone who demonstrates a propensity to participate in "shady" actions online demonstrates capability of performing "shady" acts offline.
It's not absolute, nothing is, but it establishes precedent.
If my ship is blown up and I call you a **** and tell you I hope you contract a disease and die from it, then it establishes that I'm a person who is capable of wishing harm upon those who I perceive as harming me.
None of this is definitive. None of it is certainty.
But it does answer the question why we "assume" how people play the game is how they are in real life. Because it shows at least one instance where the person thought said actions were justifiable, which means they very well might attribute that line of reasoning to other aspects of their "real life", since EvE takes place within said person's "real life". |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:54:45 -
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Except that person did not blow up your spaceship in real life and you just told them to do something unpleasant to their mother, who more than likely exists
Art of Explosions
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Divine Entervention
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:17:21 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Except that person did not blow up your spaceship in real life and you just told them to do something unpleasant to their mother, who more than likely exists Well, within real life, that person did blow up your internet space ship. In real life, an internet space ship was blown up.
An action did take place, now whether or not that action truly matters is not up to me.
But either way, I'm not condemning either party, only explaining why.
I personally make the choice to never steal. Because I make the choice to never steal, regardless of the medium, I choose to associate with those who share that same value. Because of my affinity for said value, I wish to not associate with those who act in a manner contrary to my personal belief.
But you do what you want.
It's a game. Granted that game takes place in real life, but if you want to pretend that the time you spend in game doesn't exist and you are literally no longer yourself and another being, by all means knock yourself out! Have a blast! I guess it's like role-playing IRL that you're jacking into the internet space ship matrix.
Sounds fun! |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:35:36 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Glathull wrote:I don't think that makes any of the activities in question inherently bad. We all know the risks when we log in. No. All of us clearly do NOT know the risks. If we did CODE. would not be out ganking freighters with 8 billion ISK worth of cargo. The very fact that ganking exists indicates that people are completely unaware of the risks. So...should they be angry at the person who has ruined all that time they have spent "building something" or should they be angry at themselves for their own ignorance? Many of these players play as if they are in a space simulator with a bunch of NPCs. They do not pay attention to ANYTHING when it comes to their game play and being prudent. CODE. makes no effort at all to hide what they are. None. When there were Burn Jita events freighters came in fat and stupid even though there was literally zero effort to hide these events. In fact, they were openly discussed on numerous websites days and weeks before they happened. These players want to play in a cocoon of ignorance and then rage when it bites them in the ass. These players cannot even be arsed to use a ****ing scout. A guy in a freaking noob ship could solve alot of their problems. "Hey, there are a lot of CODE guys online in Uedama, dock up, dock up!!" Or even noting there is a large number of people with criminal timers in system. No, they overload their freighter, then of they go with a giant "KICK ME!!!" sign they stuck on their of ****ing back and then wonder "WTF, why are they bumping me!?! Why are THEY SHOOTING ME!?!?!?" If I could have less than zero sympathy for them I would. Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like: John deep Marie strend John Konie Jonny Konie Johnsin Konie Jonathan Konie Jonathin Konie Jim Konie Jimmi Konie Jimmy Konie Jin Konie Jinny Konie Jinnny Konie
So? They're not that imaginative at naming their alts. BFD.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:40:28 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Unless a person is reading from a script or having their actions directed by a director, then his actions originate from within him.
Performing an action is evidence that you are a person who thinks of and then performs said action.
If you've posted in this thread an obsessive amount of times, then you are a person who posts in threads an obsessive amount of times. An obsessive person.
It is the person in question who has ultimate responsibility for his actions. If he is "pretending", he is still the originator of said actions and therefore ultimately held responsible for the actions he takes.
p.s. Another exemption would be soldiers in a conscripted army. Having been told to join a military rather than electing to join of one's own accord, then having to perform in an certain manner to preserve one's self.
What a load of complete horsecrap.
Just to be clear what this guy is saying is that a writer like Thomas Harris harbors a desire to be a serial killer. Every writer of murder mysteries has a greater capacity to commit murder.
This errant nonsense. People are quite able to separate fantasy from reality.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:01:25 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote: I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.
So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone.
It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight.
Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3459
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:03:37 -
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They do?
This is not a signature.
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Ginger Naari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:09:31 -
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Elite Harvester wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote: I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.
So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone. It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight.
Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do.
You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should... |
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
79
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:39:23 -
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Ginger Naari wrote: Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do.
You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should...
One key press and a mouse click per account. Press F1, click on target in overview, profit.
It takes a split second to swap between EVE windows. If you take any longer than that then maybe you need more practice.
Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
981
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Posted - 2016.09.11 19:44:33 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Problem is when you read the names of the Lots of code guys ready to gank, the names are like:
John deep Marie strend John Konie Jonny Konie Johnsin Konie Jonathan Konie Jonathin Konie Jim Konie Jimmi Konie Jimmy Konie Jin Konie Jinny Konie Jinnny Konie
Are you saying anyone that multi boxes is an ******** IRL?
That's the subject of this thread and you are claiming the problem is multiboxing.
There's some miners you might want to go chat to then. They aren't representing the profession very well if that's what you're saying.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
107
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Posted - 2016.09.11 20:05:41 -
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Ginger Naari wrote:Elite Harvester wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote: I dunno how easy can be to move 10 accounts at the same time in few second multiboxing without any botting at all.
So, I hear there's this thing called warp fleet to 0. And with guns grouped and pre-overheated while warping around waiting to drop on the target it takes 1 key press and a click of the mouse to target and start firing upon someone. It's all about finding a setup that works for you and using your time efficiently and effectively. Who would have thought putting in some effort (unlike a lot of our victims) gives us the upperhand in a fight. Yes there is fleet warp, but no way can you then press one key and perform one mouse click to open fire with 10 accounts..which is what you seem to saying you do. You would have to do it with 1 account at a time, otherwise it's a bannable offence..1 click 1 action on 1 account, that takes time, or should...
It does take time, but not as long as you'd think. Even with a couple seconds in between accounts you'll still melt someone pretty fast. Once you warp your squad with guns primed it's just a matter of getting each toon to lock the target |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
754
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Posted - 2016.09.11 20:25:14 -
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Did it ever occur to you what we do in game might fill a void, something we can't have in real life? For some perhaps a shot at being successful, independent, strong, free?
A second chance, so to speak? |
Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:02:15 -
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If I play a bad guy in a First person shooter does that mean im a terrorist in real life?
If an actor is acting as a terrorist in a movie does that make him a terrorist in real life? |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:04:13 -
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Chapo Muerte wrote:If I play a bad guy in a First person shooter does that mean im a terrorist in real life?
If an actor is acting as a terrorist in a movie does that make him a terrorist in real life?
Apparently the answers are yes and yes. You are a bad person.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
754
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:06:34 -
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Now on to level II ...
is a terrorist a bad person? |
Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:58:39 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Now on to level II ...
is a terrorist a bad person? ooooh that's a hard one and pretty subjective too.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter ~ Gerald Seymour.
Technically the Republic of France and the United States of America are both the result of terrorism when looked at from the point of view of the groups that held power in those countries before their respective revolutions.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Divine Entervention
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:01:26 -
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The action speaks louder than the words |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:19:33 -
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Giaus Felix wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Now on to level II ...
is a terrorist a bad person? ooooh that's a hard one and pretty subjective too. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter ~ Gerald Seymour. Technically the French Republic and the United States of America are both the result of terrorism when looked at from the point of view of the groups that held power in those countries before their respective revolutions. likewise with the Republic of Ireland.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
981
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:32:32 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Now on to level II ...
is a terrorist a bad person? IB4:
Terrorists are bad people PvPers are bad people
:. All PvPers are terrorists in real life.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
754
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:59:00 -
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On to level III :
are people classifying other people into boxes bad people?
(woooops- well I guess they are LOL) |
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Divine Entervention
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.09.12 00:03:33 -
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Trying to make people mad is juvenile and immature.
Anyone can bring pain and suffering onto others.
It's only the strong who can rise above adversity and stand as a testament to good will among men. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
752
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:21:31 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Trying to make people mad is juvenile and immature.
Anyone can bring pain and suffering onto others.
It's only the strong who can rise above adversity and stand as a testament to good will among men. And 'tis the pity of the world that no such men truly seem to exist. Only men who convince themselves that they are "rising above adversity" - while in reality they are merely pushing down their fellow men to make themselves appear higher, without in fact rising at all.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
982
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:25:06 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Trying to make people mad is juvenile and immature.
Anyone can bring pain and suffering onto others.
It's only the strong who can rise above adversity and stand as a testament to good will among men. Oh how far you have come since your first few threads. Looking at your post history you had quite some misunderstandings.
Now look at you. You're like a life coach.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:26:55 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Trying to make people mad is juvenile and immature.
Anyone can bring pain and suffering onto others.
It's only the strong who can rise above adversity and stand as a testament to good will among men. Are we talking about eve or The second holocaust here?
Someone needs to chill the freak out
Art of Explosions
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:40:49 -
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Ye guys.... What's So Funny 'Bout Peace Love and Understanding? (just saw that the guy's got some acne on his forehead in a one-second close up. cool).
Start the bubble machine!
-Lawrence Welk
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
526
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Posted - 2016.09.12 20:44:50 -
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When I blow up a mining ship, I have beaten the other player at Eve. He knows, I know it, the other miners know it. Then when the angry miner fills local or my mail box with insults and threats I know I have beaten him at life. Once again, he knows it, I know it and the regular denizens of the minerbumping channel know it because we love to post quotes there of impotent miner rage.
Think about it. When I blow up a miner and he says "GF!" in local, buys a permit and promises to support the New Order (hey, its happened a couple times) I didn't really beat him. I mean I won the elite PvP fight but the player acknowledged my superior game play, made the wise economic decision to buy a permit and therefore, has become my friend, both in game and in RL. While this is cool and all I can't say I get the same satisfaction as when I know that I have taken a player who thinks he is "winning" as he fills his ore hold and show him that he is in fact, not only losing but beyond any chance of competing with me.
I not only crush my enemies, drive them out of New Order systems and hear the lamentations of their women (admittedly, this last part is also rare but it IS the specific thing that got Erotica 1 banned AND me kicked out of my former alliance, damn Druids!). I hear the lamentations of my actual enemies as THEY act like their women (no offense female Agents and gankers, you know I don't mean you) and absorb their impotent threats. Maybe some people are satisfied with just the explosion of their opponents ship but I need to witness the actual explosion of the player himself to really get the most out of a kill.
I want rage. I want to 'discuss' things with my opponents. I want them to see me enter the system they are in and RUN FOR THEIR USELESS LIVES! Its why I play Eve. In Kino we've agreed to call me "the infamous Bing Bangboom. I just can't get the same experience from any other game.
Now, the analysts above will say this reflects my RL character. In RL I am so respectable its somewhat boring. I mean, I've done interesting and exciting things but nobody that knows me expects any trouble from me. I'm usually helping.
There are, on the other hand, a handful of close friends and family who are aware of my Eve life. I can't say that they don't find the whole thing disturbing and, to be honest, baffling. They know what lurks inside.
So, tell me. Which is the real me?
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2362
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Posted - 2016.09.12 20:59:50 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: When I blow up a mining ship, I have beaten the other player at Eve. He knows, I know it, the other miners know it. Then when the angry miner fills local or my mail box with insults and threats I know I have beaten him at life. Once again, he knows it, I know it and the regular denizens of the minerbumping channel know it because we love to post quotes there of impotent miner rage.
Think about it. When I blow up a miner and he says "GF!" in local, buys a permit and promises to support the New Order (hey, its happened a couple times) I didn't really beat him. I mean I won the elite PvP fight but the player acknowledged my superior game play, made the wise economic decision to buy a permit and therefore, has become my friend, both in game and in RL. While this is cool and all I can't say I get the same satisfaction as when I know that I have taken a player who thinks he is "winning" as he fills his ore hold and show him that he is in fact, not only losing but beyond any chance of competing with me.
I not only crush my enemies, drive them out of New Order systems and hear the lamentations of their women (admittedly, this last part is also rare but it IS the specific thing that got Erotica 1 banned AND me kicked out of my former alliance, damn Druids!). I hear the lamentations of my actual enemies as THEY act like their women (no offense female Agents and gankers, you know I don't mean you) and absorb their impotent threats. Maybe some people are satisfied with just the explosion of their opponents ship but I need to witness the actual explosion of the player himself to really get the most out of a kill.
I want rage. I want to 'discuss' things with my opponents. I want them to see me enter the system they are in and RUN FOR THEIR USELESS LIVES! Its why I play Eve. In Kino we've agreed to call me "the infamous Bing Bangboom. I just can't get the same experience from any other game.
Now, the analysts above will say this reflects my RL character. In RL I am so respectable its somewhat boring. I mean, I've done interesting and exciting things but nobody that knows me expects any trouble from me. I'm usually helping.
There are, on the other hand, a handful of close friends and family who are aware of my Eve life. I can't say that they don't find the whole thing disturbing and, to be honest, baffling. They know what lurks inside.
So, tell me. Which is the real me?
Your elite play, let me remind you of your elite play, warping from a gate to 100 km off a station and sitting there AFK cloaked, you did not even bother to move off in a random direction. So someone warped 100 km from the station and de-cloaked you and one of the poor down trodden people in Kino saw this and mentioned it to me so I blew you up and podded you.
The real you is incompetent...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5243
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:21:28 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:
So, tell me. Which is the real me?
Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
759
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:24:23 -
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There is no spoon? |
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:44:51 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote: When I blow up a mining ship, I have beaten the other player at Eve. He knows, I know it, the other miners know it. Then when the angry miner fills local or my mail box with insults and threats I know I have beaten him at life. Once again, he knows it, I know it and the regular denizens of the minerbumping channel know it because we love to post quotes there of impotent miner rage.
Think about it. When I blow up a miner and he says "GF!" in local, buys a permit and promises to support the New Order (hey, its happened a couple times) I didn't really beat him. I mean I won the elite PvP fight but the player acknowledged my superior game play, made the wise economic decision to buy a permit and therefore, has become my friend, both in game and in RL. While this is cool and all I can't say I get the same satisfaction as when I know that I have taken a player who thinks he is "winning" as he fills his ore hold and show him that he is in fact, not only losing but beyond any chance of competing with me.
I not only crush my enemies, drive them out of New Order systems and hear the lamentations of their women (admittedly, this last part is also rare but it IS the specific thing that got Erotica 1 banned AND me kicked out of my former alliance, damn Druids!). I hear the lamentations of my actual enemies as THEY act like their women (no offense female Agents and gankers, you know I don't mean you) and absorb their impotent threats. Maybe some people are satisfied with just the explosion of their opponents ship but I need to witness the actual explosion of the player himself to really get the most out of a kill.
I want rage. I want to 'discuss' things with my opponents. I want them to see me enter the system they are in and RUN FOR THEIR USELESS LIVES! Its why I play Eve. In Kino we've agreed to call me "the infamous Bing Bangboom. I just can't get the same experience from any other game.
Now, the analysts above will say this reflects my RL character. In RL I am so respectable its somewhat boring. I mean, I've done interesting and exciting things but nobody that knows me expects any trouble from me. I'm usually helping.
There are, on the other hand, a handful of close friends and family who are aware of my Eve life. I can't say that they don't find the whole thing disturbing and, to be honest, baffling. They know what lurks inside.
So, tell me. Which is the real me?
They are all the real you.
The respectable public persona.
The player who admits deriving RL satisfaction from upsetting someone sitting at a keyboard.
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