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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2251
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Posted - 2016.09.08 02:44:17 -
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At approximately 00:00 hours, 118.09.08, an 8-ship SFRIM cruiser fleet (plus command ship-based warfare link support) under command of Evocatus Alizabeth set out for Ardishapur Prime. Our intention was a test run for purely offensive operations against Vigilant Tyrannos forces on their home territory using the "heavy weasel" doctrine in hopes of suppressing Drifter activity ahead of the impeding coronation of Empress Catiz. We entered Drifter space through one of their manufactured wormholes, infiltrated the Sentinel Hive, and destroyed the Hikanta Tyrannos in the Hive chamber, suffering no losses.
On our return to the exit wormhole at approximately 01:00 hours, our support command ship pilot reported Vigilant Tyrannos battleships on the Ardishapur Prime side. Since the fleet had encountered no such warships aside from the Hikanta and the Drifters seemed to be moving slowly enough to pose a threat to our command ship, as it would decloak before they were likely to leave, the order was given to jump through and engage.
We engaged and destroyed the Drifters, and took what we could from the wrecks. However, as we prepared to depart, two additional Drifters arrived just as an attempted fleet warp failed. One of our three logistics craft, flown by FC, along with three of our five attack craft, warped out, while Drifters tackled and engaged the logistics vessel piloted by Neophyte Daisha Voluptia. The remaining attack ships, including Directrix Lunarisse Daphiti, tackled and tracking-disrupted the attacking Drifters while the third logistics vessel, flown by Adept Eternal Guardian, provided repair to Neophyte Voluptia, stabilizing her defenses until the Evocatus and the rest of our attack wing could return to the field. We then engaged and destroyed the Drifters.
During the fight, a wing of four Circadian Seekers appeared on the field and engaged us. Having dealt with the Drifters, we immediately turned our weapons on these, only to be almost immediately engaged by another two Drifters, which we destroyed, but which were immediately replaced by another two Drifters and a further four Seekers. These Drifters, also, fell, but once again, engaging the Seekers drew further Drifter reinforcements.
With our pilots tiring after nearly half an hour of continuous fighting, the Evocatus gave the order to engage and destroy all remaining Seekers before dealing with the Drifters. No additional Drifters appeared to protect or avenge the Seekers, and our fleet was able to destroy the final two Vigilant Tyrannos, loot the field, and withdraw.
SFRIM pilots involved:
Lord Ibrahim Tash-Murkon (DPS) Lord Lucas Raholan (DPS) Directrix Lunarisse Daphiti (DPS) Evocatus Alizabeth (FC) (logistics) Adept Eternal Guardian (logistics) Neophyte Daisha Voluptia (logistics) Legionarius Jennifer Starfall (DPS) Peregrinans Aria Jenneth (DPS)
Other pilots involved:
Taisia Zaytseva (warfare link support)
Hostile forces destroyed at Ardishapur Prime:
Vigilant Tyrannos battleships x10 Circadian Seekers x8
Losses suffered:
None. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1415
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Posted - 2016.09.08 02:53:45 -
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Bloody good show, turning around an unexpected and possibly disastrous situation into a victory with no casualties.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
839
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Posted - 2016.09.08 02:58:59 -
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My fleet fought like lions. This was the most intense fight against the Drifters since the Defense of the Throne Worlds and SFRIM's pilots flew amazingly.
Also, the command ship was fitted with a cloak, however I decided to engage the Drifters rather than wait. After all, we were there to kill Drifters, not sulk about them. The only concern was getting the command ship in a place where it could set up links so we could fight effectively. Once the Drifters were focused on our fleet, the command ship was able to decloak and warp off grid. After that, the battle commenced.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy RED University
85
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:04:05 -
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This enemy inside the empire. They run for Drifters. Oh, these wayward children.
August 21 117:
Jamyl Sarum: 'Final Journey'
My elder brother: Vollhov
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1417
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:05:51 -
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Something bothers me though. What are the Drifters doing on Aradisphur Prime? Are the ones already over the planet bait?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2010
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:07:20 -
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Well done, all of you. The basic concepts appear to hold well.
Now we need to find a way to see if it scales. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8675
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:10:25 -
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Arrendis;
This doctrine should be survivable in an engagement with up to three or four Drifters. Beyond that, and the ships' shield buffers are unlikely to hold without a fair number of pilots providing tracking disruption.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
839
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:15:06 -
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I am going to draft something more formal when I have time tomorrow, but I know all of us cut our teeth on Drifters flying with ARC. Today, SFRIM is standing tall, but we stand on the shoulders of giants that have laid the foundation for our work.
SFRIM is still fully committed to supporting ARC efforts in combating the Drifters and intends to keep participating in those fleets.
Amarr Victor.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Vollhov Jr
SOERI Academy RED University
85
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:21:05 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Something bothers me though. What are the Drifters doing on Aradisphur Prime? Are the ones already over the planet bait?
There is an observatory Jovi. Very often, there will an unknown wormhole. In one jump on Amarr Prime Observatory has Jovi. Amarr prime surrounded by observatories Jovi and unknown wormholes.
In addition the military forces of the Empire are not doing anything to patrol these wormholes. The patrols did not shoot at drifters. This means that the drifters are not enemies of the Empire. http://i.imgur.com/tQGQfAe.jpg Our heroes are trying to prove something. Thereby contribute to the beginning of a new war. But alas, they do not think his head. The blind vengeance
I will pray that the drifters will not take revenge. This can lead to the complete destruction of the Empire.
August 21 117:
Jamyl Sarum: 'Final Journey'
My elder brother: Vollhov
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8675
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:42:51 -
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Your note is appreciated, Alizabeth. SFRIM's partnership with IKAME predates ARC, even the consortium before, when Lord Lucas Raholan was the one pilot to escape with ship intact from our very first operation into Redoubt Hive, all those months ago. It would take far more to cleave us apart.
Of course, we should always endeavor to preserve the relationship, and to strengthen it.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2012
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Posted - 2016.09.08 03:59:36 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Arrendis;
This doctrine should be survivable in an engagement with up to three or four Drifters. Beyond that, and the ships' shield buffers are unlikely to hold without a fair number of pilots providing tracking disruption.
Yes, I've seen the damage taken by the incursion team when facing two and three Tyrannos battleships. That doesn't mean it can't scale, only that how it needs to scale is an issue. The Drifters don't fire in perfect sychronicity. This means it should be possible to scale up significantly before repping through sheer weight of fire, absent the exceptional single shots that crop up from time to time, becomes untenable, especially as there are still a few design improvements that can be made, but have been (to date) not cost-effective.
But that's going to depend on positioning, proper support, as well as other factors, and without a controllable environment for testing against increasing numbers, it's going to be extremely difficult to know where the break-points are, and what adjustments can be made to compensate.
At some point, we're going to need to fight more than three or four of these things at a time. At some point, we may be faced with numbers significantly in excess of those we've seen before. We need to work out how to scale things up, clear up to worst-case scenarios... like 6VDT-H type numbers. |
Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
843
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Posted - 2016.09.08 04:09:01 -
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I actually have a tactic for dealing with around a thousand Drifters at once. It's . . . messy and situationally dependent but doable.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
494
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Posted - 2016.09.08 04:09:56 -
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I don't often care about the war against the Drifters--it's not my problem, but from all reports, the work of those who fight it is exceptional and selfless. This engagement sounded harrowing, and the fact that you made it out of such a rapidly-evolving fight with no losses is a tribute to the grit and skill of your pilots and the ingenuity of your tactics. Thanks for sharing this, and best of luck in further engagements.
~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~
GÇ£Sitasutone nabeliwatsa-shogi; Otre Jaitovalte hessami-ettogi useuus sufat. Eika, hakkit garuketsi.GÇ¥
-Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
848
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Posted - 2016.09.08 14:09:37 -
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Neph, the Drifters are all our problem. For all their havoc and damage, Sansha is mostly contained and a medium level threat at best. In the short time the Drifters have been around, they've proven to be an existential threat.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1426
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Posted - 2016.09.08 14:21:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Neph, the Drifters are all our problem. For all their havoc and damage, Sansha is mostly contained and a medium level threat at best. In the short time the Drifters have been around, they've proven to be an existential threat.
Errr, the Drifters haven't yet attacked population centers while every time Sansha forces show up during their incursions they suck up thousands of civilians before they are driven off.
The fact that Sansha is considered 'contained' is ludicrous.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
849
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Posted - 2016.09.08 15:08:54 -
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I said mostly contained. As in, I don't fear the Sansha being able to destroy CONCORD and the four empires.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
2227
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Posted - 2016.09.08 20:35:27 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Neph, the Drifters are all our problem. For all their havoc and damage, Sansha is mostly contained and a medium level threat at best. In the short time the Drifters have been around, they've proven to be an existential threat. Only an existential threat to your empire and citizens. Their targeted killing of your empress would seem to bear this out. The Drifters haven't arrived in Villore, Pator or New Caldari Prime to kill off the other heads of state. It seems that so long as we don't engage them they remain non-aggressive.
If they arrive in Matari space and begin carrying out aggressive operations then I will consider them an issue of importance for the Republic and Tribes to deal with. Until then whatever the Drifters do in imperial or w-space is none of my concern.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
703
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Posted - 2016.09.08 20:43:34 -
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Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern?
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2044
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Posted - 2016.09.08 21:05:27 -
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You know you're not supposed to say things I agree with, right Ibrahim? I mean, if this keeps up, what will we bicker about? |
Vlad Cetes
No.Mercy Triumvirate.
83
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Posted - 2016.09.08 22:55:54 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I said mostly contained. As in, I don't fear the Sansha being able to destroy CONCORD and the four empires.
Maybe what this cluster needs is to destroy CONCORD and the four obsolete human empires. |
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
2231
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:20:20 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern? Oh no you don't slaver. You don't get to have it both ways. When we liberate those Matari whom you're now shedding crocodile tears for you claim they're imperial citizens culturally more Amarrian than Minmatar and are better off in your empire yet, when we agree that they are indeed "your people" you attempt to throw it in our faces that we don't care about our once kin.
So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, imperial.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2817
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:24:32 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern? Oh no you don't slaver. You don't get to have it both ways. When we liberate those Matari whom you're now shedding crocodile tears for you claim they're imperial citizens culturally more Amarrian than Minmatar and are better off in your empire yet, when we agree that they are indeed "your people" you attempt to throw it in our faces that we don't care about our once kin. So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, imperial. You won't liberate anything, criminal scum.
They are Imperial citizens or Imperial property, your attempt to kidnap or seizure them will be met by deadly force, and I myself will risk my own life defending innocent Imperial citizens from bullies like you.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
855
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Posted - 2016.09.09 13:34:19 -
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Commander Kim, this isn't the thread. Ms. Rella comes in here to snipe and snark. There's no debate to be had with her. Nothing will change her mind; so don't try. The solution really is to just ignore her.
Of course, you both are bumping this thread to the top, so . . . have at it, actually!
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus and ARC FC
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Moonacre Parmala
Non-Hostile Target
67
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Posted - 2016.09.12 07:34:49 -
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From a Caldari fighting alongside the Matar, Excellent victories against the drifters.
I've lost several ships to their fleets and will gladly set aside differences to assist against the universal treat they pose.
To fly against them without loss is both impressive and inspiring. Fly safe and shoot well.
Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.
Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.
Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.
If in doubt , SHOOT !
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1600
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:35:36 -
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Amarr Victor.
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Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2177
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:51:29 -
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Now you're doing it on purpose. Really now. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1604
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Posted - 2016.09.13 16:43:23 -
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Arrendis wrote:Now you're doing it on purpose. Really now.
No, see, those are close brackets, therefore, I am in fact, defusing the tension on the IGS.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
709
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Posted - 2016.09.13 17:26:48 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern? Oh no you don't slaver. You don't get to have it both ways. When we liberate those Matari whom you're now shedding crocodile tears for you claim they're imperial citizens culturally more Amarrian than Minmatar and are better off in your empire yet, when we agree that they are indeed "your people" you attempt to throw it in our faces that we don't care about our once kin. So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, imperial. I think you just hate the Amarr and are willing to selectively use your kin as an excuse to justify that rage. Just to confirm, when it comes to lamenting our shepherding of the Matari through the purifying sacraments of the Faith you're very concerned about them up to and including the desire for a war of "liberation" with blood spent and spilled but when it comes to defending the same residents from actual enemies you're much more the attitude of "meh, not my problem"?
How's that cake?
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
2251
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Posted - 2016.09.13 18:41:17 -
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I do hate your practices, slaver but you don't know a damned thing about me so you can take your condescension and snark and shove it.
I've never called for a war against your people. I dare you to provide proof to the contrary. I've only ever called for your people to renounce the slave trade and the so-called reclaiming and leave the rest of the cluster alone.
As to these "actual enemies" I've fought alongside pilots of all nationalities against the Sansha, Angels and more recently the Serpentis. All of the groups I've named posed a clear and present threat to the Tribes and I'm more than happy to defend against them. The Drifters have so far only attacked your empire and people. They pose an existential threat to your people, not mine. However, if they begin aggressive operations in Matari space you can rest assured that I and others will deal with them.
My cake is quite tasty. Perhaps I can offer you some crow to go along with yours?
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
713
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Posted - 2016.09.13 19:34:44 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I do hate your practices, slaver but you don't know a damned thing about me so you can take your condescension and snark and shove it.
I've never called for a war against your people. I dare you to provide proof to the contrary. I've only ever called for your people to renounce the slave trade and the so-called reclaiming and leave the rest of the cluster alone.
As to these "actual enemies" I've fought alongside pilots of all nationalities against the Sansha, Angels and more recently the Serpentis. All of the groups I've named posed a clear and present threat to the Tribes and I'm more than happy to defend against them. The Drifters have so far only attacked your empire and people. They pose an existential threat to your people, not mine. However, if they begin aggressive operations in Matari space you can rest assured that I and others will deal with them.
My cake is quite tasty. Perhaps I can offer you some crow to go along with yours? You're doing it again. You say that all you want is to reorder our society to meet your liking then you say that you can wash your hands of the consequences of Drifter attacks because you don't consider the Matari in the Empire as your "people". So going forward I recommend that when someone asks your opinion on Drifters you say "not my problem because they're not in the Republic" and when someone asks your opinion on slaves you say "not my problem because they're not in the Republic".
And I will relieve you of some of that cake. With that foot in your mouth too you're on your way to a stomachache.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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