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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.11 16:37:31 -
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So this feels unfinished. You replace tracking speed which had a perfect metric to complement it with rad/s and it even had an overview column which let you judge your tracking efficiency in combat.
We now have this weird number that's not really relevant to anything in the game we can measure.
If the purpose was to make things harder by not giving us something to judge our tracking by: well done.
However I don't feel this was it and the project with the tracking got pushed down the list of things and now we're stuck with it.
Can we please just revert this until such time which this whole change will be rolled out in one cohesive patch? |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1168
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Posted - 2016.09.11 16:53:35 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:one cohesive patch ell. oh. ell. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:15:00 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:one cohesive patch ell. oh. ell. Ok it doesn't have to perfect but this example is kinda ridiculous :p
Art of Explosions
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Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:08:45 -
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Even with the old metrics you had to do some mental arithmetic with your guns sig radius and (what you estimated to be) your targets sig radius in conjunction with the rad/s values to actually work out whether you could track or not.
CCP could add a "Evasion Score" to the overview based on the angular velocity and sig radius, but this would involve adding sig radius information to the overview which is currently not available and this may be undesirable.
Personally I just judge the tracking using my experience and by hit quality anyway - the mental arithmetic required is too much for a combat situation where I have better things to worry about. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:21:46 -
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We need units of measurement. Not some arbitrary Score.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:36:20 -
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just revert this change please. it wasn't needed. |
Kilarya Amarri
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:48:58 -
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If it isn't broken make it dumb!
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
732
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Posted - 2016.09.11 20:17:25 -
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+1 Please revert this or give us both.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1169
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Posted - 2016.09.11 22:10:22 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:one cohesive patch ell. oh. ell. Ok it doesn't have to perfect but this example is kinda ridiculous :p fwiw i agree with you 100%. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2016.09.12 00:19:31 -
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+1, at least include the tracking speed for now until we have time to get use to this scoring shenanigans.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Arcelian
Metentis
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Posted - 2016.09.12 00:33:28 -
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+1
It's dumb, I spent about 10 minutes looking for tracking speed, couldn't find it, thought it must be a bug. Reset client, still not there, and then I notice this score thing.
Which makes no god damn sense. WHY?? |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:50:55 -
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I'm going to go ahead and agree with this OP before the people I hate to agree with post on it, too.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2016.09.12 03:44:59 -
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i agree, the only use for the score is to compare weapons in a table, once you undock it lost its use.
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2016.09.12 12:26:54 -
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Agreed, the single metric score is pretty bad indeed. |
Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2016.09.12 16:11:17 -
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and even for the argument that the tracking stat had to be considered with the scan resolution of the weapon in mind that's an easy calculation in your head. you know small to big weapons have 40, 120 and 400m. frigate, cruiser, battleship. if i engage a frigate with bs sized guns i have to divide by 10 in general as a rule of thumb. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.09.12 16:59:10 -
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Ah I see that they are catering for the newbros that are coming in. Just worry about accuracy score rather than rads and tracking speed. Hue. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.09.12 18:21:40 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:We need units of measurement. Not some arbitrary Score.
With my moustachio, I'm definitely a nine
Without it, I'm barely a two
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.12 18:57:59 -
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We need a Ship Evasion Score overview column.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:06:53 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I'm going to go ahead and agree with this OP before the people I hate to agree with post on it, too. This is why I generally jump in early or not at all
Click me
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2016.09.12 21:57:40 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:We need units of measurement. Not some arbitrary Score.
With my moustachio, I'm definitely a nine Without it, I'm barely a two Funny - with me, it's exactly the other way around! |
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Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.09.12 23:14:46 -
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Was done because precious snowflake console generation can't be expected to do maths, because those clearly are EVE's target audience.
(CCP has for years been catering for a target audience that'll never actually play eve in a contributing manner). |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.13 04:41:05 -
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Vincent Pelletier wrote:Was done because precious snowflake console generation can't be expected to do maths, because those clearly are EVE's target audience.
(CCP has for years been catering for a target audience that'll never actually play eve in a contributing manner). It is the marketing specialist's forte to direct the great wishful thinking machine into iffy areas long enough to manage a retirement package.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2016.09.13 13:15:34 -
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Vincent Pelletier wrote:Was done because precious snowflake console generation can't be expected to do maths, because those clearly are EVE's target audience.
(CCP has for years been catering for a target audience that'll never actually play eve in a contributing manner).
Fozzie explained why it was being done at fanfest. There was no correlation from weapon system to weapon system.
While I agree it seems a bit basic to dumb it all down to one 'score' something needed to be done to make tracking correlate from gun to gun, drone to drone, etc.
Not today spaghetti.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.09.13 14:55:57 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Vincent Pelletier wrote:Was done because precious snowflake console generation can't be expected to do maths, because those clearly are EVE's target audience.
(CCP has for years been catering for a target audience that'll never actually play eve in a contributing manner). Fozzie explained why it was being done at fanfest. There was no correlation from weapon system to weapon system. While I agree it seems a bit basic to dumb it all down to one 'score' something needed to be done to make tracking correlate from gun to gun, drone to drone, etc. They should have left the previous measurement system in place, and add the score as an additional corelation for those that like numbers pulled from hat.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1040
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Posted - 2016.09.13 17:53:28 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:We need units of measurement. Not some arbitrary Score.
With my moustachio, I'm definitely a nine Without it, I'm barely a two
And I guess the, relatively recent, addition of the glasses push it to a ten?
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2016.09.13 17:54:23 -
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Federigo Mondial wrote:Ah I see that they are catering for the newbros that are coming in. Just worry about accuracy score rather than rads and tracking speed. Hue. Except they're actually not helping new players by doing this. Replacing actual measurements of well understood, non-abstract concepts like radial velocity and radians per second with an abstract score is not simpler. It actually adds an additional layer of obfuscation since you can't see the actual factors that are affecting your ability to hit.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.09.13 18:06:50 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Ah I see that they are catering for the newbros that are coming in. Just worry about accuracy score rather than rads and tracking speed. Hue. Except they're actually not helping new players by doing this. Replacing actual measurements of well understood, non-abstract concepts like radial velocity and radians per second with an abstract score is not simpler. It actually adds an additional layer of obfuscation since you can't see the actual factors that are affecting your ability to hit.
Heh, compare eve tracking mechanics to the four hidden stats of pokemon. Which game has more players? Players that have stuck with eve have been the types that are obsessive about details, but the general public doesn't want details and clarity. They want simplicity and obfuscation. This relates to the other thread, how to get more players. Obfuscate and simplify the displayed stats to the point of irrelevancy and then the people will come. Skyrim has mods like perma that come with deliberately obscure perk descriptions and the majority prefer the obscurity.
What we need to do is replace the HUD with a face. When you are at high armor, structure, and shields the hud shows a happy face that becomes progressively unhappy as your ships hidden stats decrease.
Just think of how crowded eve will become.
Of course I prefer clear mechanics. But that doesn't draw in new players. Instead it makes most people's heads explode.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.09.13 19:22:59 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:We need units of measurement. Not some arbitrary Score.
With my moustachio, I'm definitely a nine Without it, I'm barely a two And I guess the, relatively recent, addition of the glasses push it to a ten?
If you insist, though I must state that I am already space-married (but am flattered)
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Pandora Carrollon
Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic.
660
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Posted - 2016.09.13 20:00:15 -
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It's actually not all that difficult to do tracking mechanics as an 'easy' indicator. Simply put, CCP is making EVE intentionally difficult and it's a choice.
If they wanted to make it easy, they'd have a little warning arrow that appeared above your turret icon to let you know your guns are unable to keep up. Then again, to make it super simple, you'd also have an option on the right click menu that says "Hold fire if guns aren't tracking". Then your guns wouldn't shoot until you got yourself aligned right, or they'd only shoot when they had a shot.
Even real turrets from 20 years ago had this function. It's amazing our super sci-fi space craft computers can't do it.
Until then, it should be instinctual WHY you aren't hitting a target. If the target is small and fast, you have a tracking or range issue, fix it. If the target is big and slow, you have a range issue.
8 Golden Rules of EVE GÇó EVE is entirely PvP
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
772
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Posted - 2016.09.13 21:40:16 -
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If only someone had already posted in the correct forum section... >_>
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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