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Dredd Rojas
Radioactive Lobster
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Posted - 2016.09.20 19:18:52 -
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We can all Agree that the Tengu is the best t3 second is loki but the Proteus and legion just get outclassed really hard. I mean the legion has nothing going for it. I think the proteus had something going for it but It's be awhile. I mean shouldn't every factions t3's be good not just Tengu this Tengu that. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.20 19:24:14 -
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Legion is awesome Proteus is awesome Loki is ... OK Tengu smells, it's awesome granted but it smells.
And no, they're not likely going to be buffed anytime soon.
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.20 19:40:58 -
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Nerf the Tengu, problem solved.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Dredd Rojas
Radioactive Lobster
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Posted - 2016.09.20 19:41:22 -
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IN RUST WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw why the legion... I mean it looks cool but thats it.
(I figured out what quote did I'm new to eve's forums :P) |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.09.20 20:09:25 -
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Dredd Rojas wrote:IN RUST WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw why the legion... I mean it looks cool but thats it.
(I figured out what quote did I'm new to eve's forums :P)
Excellent at neuting, great in C3s, nothing better for running BR/Sansha exploration sites in low. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.20 20:12:22 -
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Dredd Rojas wrote:IN RUST WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw why the legion... I mean it looks cool but thats it.
(I figured out what quote did I'm new to eve's forums :P) Brick tank + hams + neuts = hell yes It gives people the willies when they see it.
I've seen small gangs lose their **** when my neut legion lands and go "HnnnnnnGgggGGGGGAKILLIT!KILLITNOW!" even when it makes no sense to primary me.
100mn legion is badass too.
Takes logi particularly well.
It's slow I'll grant you but can be fit to just ignore neuts and carry on fighting, Has great reach with razors,
And of course looks badass.
Drone legion sucks so does rlm legion but me, there's better ships for that anyway.
I'm dying for the armour Crystal's to get down to a reasonable price to try something else with it.
Yeah I like the legion a lot.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.20 20:52:59 -
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typical high sec/null pve pov
Art of Explosions
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Tung Yoggi
Null Sect
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Posted - 2016.09.21 10:04:34 -
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I lIkE tEnGoO bEcAuSE iT sHoOt MiSsiLeS XDDDD
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2016.09.21 13:22:58 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Nerf the Tengu, problem solved. Considering that all of them are OP compared to what they were supposed to be when they were first released this seems to be the best option.
As the others have pointed out OP your basic theory does not take into account that like all things in this game each ship has it's niche roll and the T3 cruisers are no different. |
Skelee VI
Wraithguard. The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:24:10 -
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Regen Tengu is nasty lil boat. I don't think the other ones can do that and apply decent dps.
I love my legion! |
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Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
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Posted - 2016.09.21 20:26:21 -
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strange... why you people do not to try to passive shield amarr ships? they have a lot of cap and low slots. passive shield legion with 4 midslots have better regen than tengu with 6 midslots it strange to me .... |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.09.22 03:07:07 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Nerf the Tengu, problem solved.
They tried that. HML nerf....and then people said hybrid tengu it is then. Can't nerf medium hybrids, they were nerfed a bit back after a moment of glory in a buff.
Some went to HAMs, which has their own caveats, range among them.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.09.22 03:17:02 -
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FYI: PvP Beam Legions are a thing.
How did you Veterans start?
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.09.22 03:41:16 -
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I don't think OP fully understands how powerful Rail Prots are. Or how Loki's are great support ships, same for Legions which are incredible usefull in wormholes. Not to mention 100mn Beam Legions are the FOTM.
Like out off all of them the Loki is probably the weakest. But it's still an close to overpowered ship in it's own right.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.09.22 05:42:01 -
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I think it's fair to say that across all use cases and all things being equal:
Tengu > Legion = Proteus > Loki
But it's much, much closer than some people seem to think.
As a general matter, I can't believe that people are still underestimating medium beams as much as they seem to. They're ridiculously good right now if you use them right. And that's only one of three viable weapon options on the Legion. Medium rails aren't bad either and it's not like you have to slap blasters on a Proteus (though of course you can and should for certain use cases). Medium ACs and arties are in a bit of a bad place or the Loki would be fine as well, but right now you have to choose between no range and moderate damage or no tracking and low damage.
Honestly, the only weapon systems that aren't viable on T3s are HMs (which are just universally awful at the moment) and drones (which are just better on other hulls period). |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.09.22 17:25:47 -
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All 4 need to be hammered with the nerf bat until they stop twitching. |
fourtwentysixtynine
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.22 21:03:47 -
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baltec1 wrote:All 4 need to be hammered with the nerf bat until they stop twitching. You mean 200k ehp 700 dps armor cruiser sig size cruisers aren't stupidly underpowered? Glad you're not in charge of game balance. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.09.22 21:28:08 -
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fourtwentysixtynine wrote:baltec1 wrote:All 4 need to be hammered with the nerf bat until they stop twitching. You mean you think 200k ehp 700 dps armor cruiser sig size cruisers aren't stupidly underpowered? Glad you're not in charge of game balance.
You left out cap stable while running a prop mod too. |
fourtwentysixtynine
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.23 00:20:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:fourtwentysixtynine wrote:baltec1 wrote:All 4 need to be hammered with the nerf bat until they stop twitching. You mean you think 200k ehp 700 dps armor cruiser sig size cruisers aren't stupidly underpowered? Glad you're not in charge of game balance. You left out cap stable while running a prop mod too. Yeah, kind of dumb that you can't get a range bonused utility high remote rep and perma cap to run that too, CCP can't seem to decide between useless POSs like the Proteus and yolopwn machines like the punisher and rifter. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.23 14:22:04 -
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Aren't beam legions and rail proteus stupidly powerful ? In fact Beam Legions are basically FOTM. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.09.24 00:31:46 -
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Federigo Mondial wrote:Aren't beam legions and rail proteus stupidly powerful ? In fact Beam Legions are basically FOTM.
Everyone likes Zealot fleet, only the Zealots are now Legions and the Guardians are now Legions and the command ships are now Legions. |
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
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Posted - 2016.09.24 03:30:42 -
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baltec1 wrote:Federigo Mondial wrote:Aren't beam legions and rail proteus stupidly powerful ? In fact Beam Legions are basically FOTM. Everyone likes Zealot fleet, only the Zealots are now Legions and the Guardians are now Legions and the command ships are now Legions.
Legions for everyone! \o/
T3 cruisers are stupid powerful. A buff would be just plain crazy. |
Yaro
Ursus Lucrum Everyb0dy Lies
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Posted - 2016.09.24 12:44:41 -
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it realy pisses me of when someone doesnt have a clue about a ship and starts whining to nerf or boost.
Plated pvp fitted legion is a beast. |
Mustike Oschtschocha
Summer of Mumuit
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Posted - 2016.09.24 13:39:35 -
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Dual Cap Batery Tengu with Pith X-type XL booster and crystal set and blue pill gets an INSANE tank, almost as much as the golem with Bastion and it is still cap stable. This is a point what CCP should look at. Also the tengu has fitting issues when not fitted with power core multiplier and the blaster subsystem. When I fit my pve tengu it has only 750 pg and the HAMs alone use 600, so no way to fit even an mwd.
The Legion is quiet ok, it can handle C3 sites well with only one armor rep as tank The proteus actually is good to The loki is quiet useless, as the scooping array uses a lot of ammo and the alpha system makes AC completly useless
generally there is need for a rebalance of the subsystems, i find it strange that some T3 have almost no benefit of using either the cap subsystems(proteus cap reg matrix gives a bonus to drones) and the CPU systems(only like 5 or so % more CPU as with another one) |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.24 15:08:21 -
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Given what it can do, the tengu definitely doesn't have fitting issues.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.09.24 15:32:51 -
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Mustike Oschtschocha wrote:Dual Cap Batery Tengu with Pith X-type XL booster and crystal set and blue pill gets an INSANE tank, almost as much as the golem with Bastion and it is still cap stable. This is a point what CCP should look at. Also the tengu has fitting issues when not fitted with power core multiplier and the blaster subsystem. When I fit my pve tengu it has only 750 pg and the HAMs alone use 600, so no way to fit even an mwd.
What engineering sub are you using? Because the Cap regen matrix gives more PwG than the Power Core Multiplier.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2016.09.26 01:42:52 -
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Never thought I'd see a buff T3 thread.
You meant nerf, right? right?? |
Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2016.10.01 02:39:35 -
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i always wondered why t3 ships have 3 rig slots and t2 only gets 2. that makes a huge difference on some ships. only 2 rig slots for t3 cruisers and destroyers maybe? |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2016.10.01 03:10:33 -
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Nah- I'd settle for 1 rig slot on T1 |
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