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Lumiosoleth
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:11:00 -
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enigmatic hell....
it seems the only thing that people can agree on with regards to the dominix is the fact that one should put a whole hell of a lot of NOS on the thing. My question is this: how does one overcome the idea that even with the NOS, it still takes forever for your drones by themselves to eat into most any battleship? whats more, in a gang battle, you're likely to get nuked before your drones ever cause any significant damage. so my question is: in a gang battle, how can the dominix be more than just a bleedin NOS boat? can it really rival the megathron in terms of DPS? i've been playing around with this thing on quickfit, and even though i've got far more drone skills than gunnery, i still manage to get alot more DPS out of the megathron, whereas the Dominix always seems to be able to tank better when both ships are fitted for damage.
so whats up? is the dominix good for group PVP these days? or is it just a NOS boat now? i do have battleship V btw, so i'm really maximizing this thing's potential
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:17:00 -
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Of course it can't reach Megathron dps. But I shouldn't. The idea is that you fuel your tank with your opponent's cap, and when his cap is dead he'll die with a whimper. And 5 x Heavy Drones with the Dominix's damage bonus are savage. Unless your skills suck, and from your post i'm suspecting they do. And I think you're totally missing the point of a Dominix. ---
Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:19:00 -
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Don't use a can opener to try to cut a steak.
Use a steak knife as it's the tool designed for it.
Nyxus
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. |
Lumiosoleth
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:21:00 -
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i assure you my skills dont suck :-/ mean mean little boy you. i can deck out a dominix in a full suit of techII goodness with skills to spare.
I fully understand what the dominix is all about and how nasty all that NOS can be. i've been on both ends of it. my point is that everybody is always speaking in terms of SOLO or 1v1 type combat. of course thats an excellent idea for 1v1 combat, because all you have to worry about is the guy you're crippling. what i'm really asking about is viable setups for group outings. that sort of NOS strategy doesnt have the same effect in an atmosphere where you dont have the time to let it blossom.
and about the mega: i guess thats that then. so the mega gets better DPS but is more expensive to replace. makes sense.
so about the group dommy...any ideas?
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F Apparition
Minmatar Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean Of course it can't reach Megathron dps. But I shouldn't. The idea is that you fuel your tank with your opponent's cap, and when his cap is dead he'll die with a whimper. And 5 x Heavy Drones with the Dominix's damage bonus are savage. Unless your skills suck, and from your post i'm suspecting they do. And I think you're totally missing the point of a Dominix.
Domi DPS can equal and, with very good skills, slightly outdamage the mega. You can fit large electrons, mwd, inject, 1 lar II and w 1600 tungsten along with hards/magstab/usual tackle mids, etc. That's 1k dps with a good tank. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Elmo Pug ([email protected]) |
Lumiosoleth
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:25:00 -
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that electron setup was basically what i'd tried on quickfit...the megathron got the better DPS numbers every time. maybe quickfit's idea of DPS is flawed? i dunno. discuss.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:26:00 -
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Aside from all-out Neutron gank setups, it's never going to rival the Megathron in terms of theoretical damage output due to only having 6 turrets, and generally only being able to fit the lowest tier of blasters.
Real damage output is lower still due to the lack of the tracking bonus. It can still make a nice blaster boat though, the 5th mid-slot adds a little versatility and it has a broader range of options with drones (e.g. can carry full suite of Heavy/medium/light drones and armour repair drones for helping gang-mates).
And yes it's cheaper to loose ----------
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Lumiosoleth
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:30:00 -
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so then what do you guys think? is the NOS heavy setup still viable for gang outings?? or is there a better idea for setting it up? at what point does strategy overcome big guns? i hear alot about the versatility of the dominix, but nobody wants to talk about it in terms of group combat possiblities.
discuss!
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:41:00 -
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Reguarding DPS of the two. Nothing to do with gang form of domi.
Never tried a gank domi myself so it's prolly more opinion than anything. If your fitting your mega right, for max damage, Then no other ship under caps should be able to rival it's damage.
Anything less than the best tank (excluding faction/deadspace/officer) will get ripped apart in very short time. Standard privateer Dominix, cheap t1/named tank and t1 drones, can be popped by a proper blasterthron by the time the thron starts taking armor damage.
6 electons on a domi, 7 neutrons on a mega. The Mega's drones are only doing 33% less damage than the Domi's wich isn't a drastic difference considering the drones are only a secondary weapon While the domi considers them the primary one. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
Mikojo
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mikojo on 20/03/2007 20:55:49 The dps on quickfit is wrong, its the AVERAGE dps of shield, armor, and structure on a default ship.
Quickfit also doesnt add all the drone skills damage into the dps. So you should take your drone damage and atleast double it then add the turret damage in and see what you get.
That is ofc if you have drone int to a decent level.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mikojo Edited by: Mikojo on 20/03/2007 20:55:49 The dps on quickfit is wrong, its the AVERAGE dps of shield, armor, and structure on a default ship.
Quickfit also doesnt add all the drone skills damage into the dps. So you should take your drone damage and atleast double it then add the turret damage in and see what you get.
That is ofc if you have drone int to a decent level.
I got Quickfit 1.2 and it DOES add your drone skills to your drones. You can see your drones' dmg multiplier, rof, hp and tracking etc when you select one of your drones under Drones tab.
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:17:00 -
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Simply because for a standard tank the dominix then cannot field a full arsenal of decent guns/weaponry, its best to utilise its only good point, its drones.
Your then left with the next bit, your drones do all the work, how best can i compliment them?
Easy... NOS, you have drones and more drones availabel for the damage, NOS just means they lose the ability to use theirs to nail you, its a constant downward spiral for them, your hurting them, they repair, and need to fire back, they simply cant manage that for long when you NOS them.
If you remove the NOS setup, the dominix has always had fittings issues for keeping a good tank with intended BS weapons, unless u use the power diag/shield tank method then you have oodles of powergrid, just watch the CPU.
Basically, its cheap, it works.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder. |
Leumas Ebmocnud
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:28:00 -
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Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L]
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Warp Scrambler I
Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Anti-Explosive Pump I \ Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II
6562 shield, 8.75/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/29/47/64 7763 armor, E/T/K/Ex=79/66/66/67 4500.0 cap, +29.23/s, -120.485/s 955.0 m/s
1114.5 DPS
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:36:00 -
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Raw dps not taking tracking and such into account the dominix can have near the same dps,but it would gimp its tank. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space. |
Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:52:00 -
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Quickfit uses an RNG to calculate DPS numbers.
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Kur'Dekaija
Atomic Heroes The OSS
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:20:00 -
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QuickFit does calculate drone dmg if you only check the boxes next to the drones in the drone section then check the box that says "calculte drone dmg" in the stats section.
and if you scroll up a bit in the stats section you will see the raw dps, its only few lines above the avarage dps on a none tanked ship.
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:41:00 -
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6 neutron IIs (i think they fit, can only use t1 myself),
mwd, xl shield booster, heavy cap injector, hardners
3 mag stabs, lots of fitting mods.
drone damage rigs (in the real world, tracking rigs, speed enhancers, or cap rigs)
sgb
(btw this outdamages the megaT)
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jbob2000
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Leumas Ebmocnud Edited by: Leumas Ebmocnud on 20/03/2007 22:28:02 Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L]
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Warp Scrambler I
Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Anti-Explosive Pump I \ Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II
6562 shield, 8.75/s, E/T/K/Ex=12/29/47/64 7763 armor, E/T/K/Ex=79/66/66/67 4500.0 cap, +29.23/s, -120.485/s 955.0 m/s
1114.5 DPS
Megathron does the job better, but this is still fun for gang ops
Why in gods name would you put cap rechargers on a pvp setup? You save an entire slot and yourself alot of hassle if you put a booster on. Secondly, you need a plate on there, otherwise you will loose your tank in a second. ________________________________ KIA Recruitment
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.03.21 15:04:00 -
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Everyone worries about freaking DPS. Truth is if you pick the wrong ammo/drones, aren't in optimal range, forget to fit a MWD on a auto cannon ship, ETC....................
YOU ARE GONNA DIE.
There is more to life the pure DPS. If the dominix is overpowered, why do my corp mates kill them constantly? If Mega is so overpowered, why does everyone and their brother/sister use a raven?
Truth is that every ship has it's niche and you should realize this. A domi is a great drone ship, it has the advantages every drone ships has, as well as it's weaknesses. GET OVER IT.
I hate these threads, very unoriginal and very worthless. (Unless it's about Amarr, cause they have a serious problem.)
MINMATAR 4TW!
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Kaker
Just-fun Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.21 15:21:00 -
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Uh my domi gets something like 750 dps with my skills which isnt to great but it tanks like a beast. My other one has like 850-910 dps .
i do have battleship V btw, so i'm really maximizing this thing's potential
Put large blasters on it it will be mean.
Try the 4x Blaster fit with 2x Nos with a cap injector. I dont want to tell you the entire secret setup but it involves double reps and some cheap rigs
DOMI 4tw!
although tbh if the domi had more grid... i would put neutrons on it...i should be a dev
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:03:00 -
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I've been flying a Dominix for most of my EVE career, and unfortunately I still struggle to find anything that beats a full Nos set up. I do relatively well with a Blaster Nos mix, but the Domi's never going to be one of the world's great sprinters. --------
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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean Of course it can't reach Megathron dps. But I shouldn't. The idea is that you fuel your tank with your opponent's cap, and when his cap is dead he'll die with a whimper. And 5 x Heavy Drones with the Dominix's damage bonus are savage. Unless your skills suck, and from your post i'm suspecting they do. And I think you're totally missing the point of a Dominix.
acctually it can
blasters whit dmg bonus and heavy drones whit drone bonus should out dmps a mega :) Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog ----------------- |
Adelai Niska
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Posted - 2007.03.21 20:25:00 -
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In fleet combat where you're dead 15 seconds after you're targetted, think about replacing half or more of the nosferatus with neutralizers, instead of using them to tank. Hit every enemy Recon and HAC with those, while you use drones to break them down, and you should do quite a bit of damage.
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JoeT
Amarr Nuclear Rental Service
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
I hate these threads, very unoriginal and very worthless. (Unless it's about Amarr, cause they have a serious problem.)
MINMATAR 4TW!
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Come on content patch. Fix meh amarr
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean Of course it can't reach Megathron dps.
Lies. A properly setup (Read: blasters) dominix will out DPS a megathron, with only a slightly worse tank.
People are just lemmings and always use nos, so, ell oh ell. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs. |
Locus Bey
Gallente Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.03.21 22:42:00 -
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A well skilled Domi pilot with the right set up can take TWO BS. The Domi is an incredibly mean ship in the right hands.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.21 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Marquis Dean Of course it can't reach Megathron dps.
Lies. A properly setup (Read: blasters) dominix will out DPS a megathron, with only a slightly worse tank.
People are just lemmings and always use nos, so, ell oh ell.
I meant that in the context of a well rounded setup... which, in my experience so far, have rarely included guns of any kind.
I'm still skeptical as to whether IN PRACTICE, a Domi can best a Mega in a pure gun and drone fight. Mega's tracking bonus = better hit quality, etc. ---
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.22 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 22/03/2007 00:14:04
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Marquis Dean Of course it can't reach Megathron dps.
Lies. A properly setup (Read: blasters) dominix will out DPS a megathron, with only a slightly worse tank.
People are just lemmings and always use nos, so, ell oh ell.
I meant that in the context of a well rounded setup... which, in my experience so far, have rarely included guns of any kind.
I'm still skeptical as to whether IN PRACTICE, a Domi can best a Mega in a pure gun and drone fight. Mega's tracking bonus = better hit quality, etc.
3x Electron II 3x Ion II
MWD warp disruptor web heavy cap booster tracking computer
LAR 1600mm plate 2x EANM Damage control 2x MFS
3x powergrid rigs
3x ogre II 2x berserker II
959 dps, and the tank is similar (although slightly weaker) to a similar megathron setup.
Well rounded setup? You bet. Can it beat a megathron in a 1vs1? I don't know. Possibly. In any case, it's nothing to sneeze at. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs. |
Altrex Stoppel
SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.22 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 22/03/2007 01:11:41 The Support Dominix
High: Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Large Remote Armor Rep Large Remote Armor Rep Large Cap Transfer
Mid: 100mn MWD Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster EWAR slot EWAR slot EWAR slot
Low: Large Armor Repairer II 3x Armor Hardners (Explo, Kin, Therm) 1x EANM II 1x Damage Control II 1x 1600mm RT plate
Rigs: 2x pg rigs, 1x cap recharge rig
Run this with another dominix or ship with the same large cap transfer and do a cross-cap transfer. If you don't know what that is cap transfers give more cap than their cost so you should both be cap transferring to each other as it will add to your cap recharge. 2 of these Dominixes and some Heavy Armor Maintenance Bots and you'd be surprised how well you can bubble wrap someone from damage. Also the 3 EWAR slots can make the enemies day very, very painful.
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