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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.02 20:34:27 -
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I'm posting this in New Citizens because except for exploration (data/relic), I feel like I'm an absolute beginner. I have basically maxed scanning / hacking skills and can easily take a jaunt out into nullsec via wormholes and come back with 100-150 million isk (the max I'm comfortable flying with before returning to sell it).
But now I'm looking to expand my horizons and there are so many various things I could do and so many ships and so many opinions as to the best way to go about it, I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels, ESPECIALLY where it comes to designating my skill queue. I guess it was a lot easier with exploration because it was very simple knowing what I needed to aim for.
Can anyone give me a guide (just general advice) when it comes to a direction for, say, running level 4 DED sites? I need a goal to aim for (ship to be able to fly, basic needs to fit it correctly) otherwise I'll keep floundering about. And while I love this game, I truly do, it's so easy to get lost in all the options and lose focus. I've bounced from wanting to run missions, to DED sites, to salvaging, etc . . . with the OVERALL goal of having steady income, plexing my account with the help of my PI (oh how I hate initially setting up all the colonies) and then, once I'm fully established, throwing caution to the wind and just start doing some pirate work in lowsec.
I'm struggling to FOCUS my current efforts.
Also, I've given in to a little bit of the paranoia that comes along with this game. Is there a way to share my current learned skills without giving account information or whatever so that someone can see where I'm at and help me go from there?
Thanks for whatever help you can give.
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Tao Dolcino
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.10.02 20:59:37 -
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Maybe focus on finding a bigger community ? Flying always alone becomes boring and/or sad after some time. Once in an active and populated corpo, you will certainly have much less problem to find a purpose on which to focus |
Swoop McFly
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.10.02 21:00:43 -
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Barnabas Fresante wrote:Also, I've given in to a little bit of the paranoia that comes along with this game. Is there a way to share my current learned skills without giving account information or whatever so that someone can see where I'm at and help me go from there?
http://eveboard.com/
Btw. T1 frigs are cheap. Don't wait until you are "fully established" before you get into PvP, or you never will and just end up like those highsec carebears. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18434
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Posted - 2016.10.02 21:24:27 -
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look into the stratios, cloaks , tanks , hits like an angry ginger irishman so it can be legitimately scary.
works similarly to a vexor just with waaaaay more versatility.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.10.02 22:48:53 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:look into the stratios, cloaks , tanks , hits like an angry ginger irishman so it can be legitimately scary.
works similarly to a vexor just with waaaaay more versatility.
Stratios is great, a Swiss army knife with drones and scanning bonuses, and it's a pretty decent hunter killer ship too. Drop a mobile depot and refit as needed.
I would also suggest the Gila. Either of those ships you can be in relatively quickly and you'll be doing DED 4/10's no problem.
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.02 23:55:21 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:look into the stratios, cloaks , tanks , hits like an angry ginger irishman so it can be legitimately scary.
works similarly to a vexor just with waaaaay more versatility. Stratios is great, a Swiss army knife with drones and scanning bonuses, and it's a pretty decent hunter killer ship too. Drop a mobile depot and refit as needed. I would also suggest the Gila. Either of those ships you can be in relatively quickly and you'll be doing DED 4/10's no problem.
Would you say DED 4/10s and Level 4 missions are roughly equivalent so that if you're fitted for the one, you should be able to do the other? Do you have an example fit by chance? I'm currently more armor oriented in my SP, but if flying a stratios effectively is my goal, I don't mind setting a new plan for future SP. I can already fly a strat, but I don't think my skills are anywhere near where they should be to fly it "properly."
*edit* Also, are there weapon choices you should just stay away from? I currently have sentry drones queued up for 24 days so I can use Guarde IIs... is that worth it? How about railguns versus lasers? Or does everything work pretty much the same as long as you have the skills for them? |
Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
453
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Posted - 2016.10.03 00:20:36 -
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Throwing another vote in for the Stratios, I knew someone who flew it when it first came out and Got some pretty amazing kills. Plus it has enough versatility in my own experience to handle complex anomalies with the addition of being able to escape and hide in systems with no station. Very solid ship, pretty easy to get into and the pricetag isn't awful either
GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.03 00:37:51 -
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Ok, that's all the more encouragement I need to make the Stratios my goal. As I said, I can already fly it but its a whole different deal to fly it effectively. That's the plan, then. After all, I think it is by far the best looking ship in the game anyway.
Anyone with experience know the best way to kit it? shield or armor tank? Passive or active? Brawler or sniper? etc etc etc? |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.10.03 00:44:49 -
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I could ramble a while about how and why I rationalize things but I'll try to be concise!
I still use Federation Navy and similar faction navy versions of the drones for Medium sized on up because the 24 day cost to train into T2 for a few extra points in DPS just isn't worth it to me- in that same time I could boost damage output of all of them by 20% for example by training Drone Interfacing V.
I'm not a missioner so I'm not sure what the difficulty comparatively between DED ratings and level of missions but 4/10's aren't that bad in my experience. I find the Sansha one to be the most difficult compared to other 4/10's I've run.
In less than a day, you can train into all the other gunnery based weapons systems to level III and use meta 4 versions of the guns. That's what I did and if it was something I absolutely loved I would take it further. As far as working the same.. well I guess it depends on what you're flying- I used to do public roams more often and the fits they called for ranged all over the place from Amarr Battlecruisers to kitchen sink Frigs so that's why I trained all over the place to give it all a fair try. I seem to use missiles and drones the most and shield buffer tank.
Disclaimer: I'm not some fitting wizard but here's some examples of what I fly.
Quote:[Stratios, Sister Lulu]
Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Drone Damage Amplifier I Drone Damage Amplifier I Drone Damage Amplifier I
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Phased Scoped Target Painter Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I Limited Thermal Dissipation Field I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Gecko x2 Federation Navy Garde x4 Caldari Navy Warden x4 Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5
This is what I fly almost exclusively anymore:
Quote:[Gila, Lulu]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Warp Disruptor II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Medium Energy Neutralizer II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Caldari Navy Vespa x2 Caldari Navy Vespa x2 Federation Navy Hammerhead x4 Hornet EC-300 x4
Nova Light Missile x1444 Mjolnir Fury Light Missile x3000 Inferno Fury Light Missile x5144
I pack a Mobile Depot and a core probe launcher just incase I get stuck somewhere. I can run 4/10's no problem even though it's a PVP version and I seem to swim in troubled waters often so that's why I don't go for pure PVE fits like I used to.
The upfront cost does seem high but both these ships will make you so much money so it's definitely worth it.
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Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 00:48:00 -
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So the PVP Fit i know works well is as follows you may need to faction fit or Meta Fit some items to fit everything depending on your skills, Play around with it a bit but it should give you the right idea
HS: Smokescreen Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher 3x Medium Energy Neutralizers
MS: Dark Blood Small Capacitor booster II Fed Navy Web Sansha Scrambler C-Type 10mn Afterburner Target painter
LS: Navy Drone Damage Amplifier x2 A-Type Adaptive Nano Plates 1600mm Plate II Reactive Hardener
Rigging: x3 Medium Trimark Armor Pump
Cargo/Drones: Nanite Pastes probes Depot Ogre II Geckos Hammerhead II Hobgoblin II
but as with anything fits are situational, this is just a fit from a pilot i know who has had a lot of success with it over the years. Best of luck to you wherever you land.
GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.03 01:03:35 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:In less than a day, you can train into all the other gunnery based weapons systems to level III and use meta 4 versions of the guns.
Thanks for your fitting suggestions, but what do you mean by using meta 4 versions? I'm familiar with tech 1, tech 2, faction fittings and such, but what are you referring to by meta 4?
By buffer fit, I'm assuming you just mean that you have so much shield that by the time the engagement is over the enemy hasn't h ad a chance to cut through it all, right? I've always understood that buffer is for pvp and active is for pve? Am I wrong or is it just not that simple? |
Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
453
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Posted - 2016.10.03 01:07:58 -
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Barnabas Fresante wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:In less than a day, you can train into all the other gunnery based weapons systems to level III and use meta 4 versions of the guns. Thanks for your fitting suggestions, but what do you mean by using meta 4 versions? I'm familiar with tech 1, tech 2, faction fittings and such, but what are you referring to by meta 4? By buffer fit, I'm assuming you just mean that you have so much shield that by the time the engagement is over the enemy hasn't h ad a chance to cut through it all, right? I've always understood that buffer is for pvp and active is for pve? Am I wrong or is it just not that simple?
Meta 4 means if you open the "variations" tab under show info it will be under the first box, last in the list usually, right before faction. For example "arbalest" torpedo launchers are Meta 4.
And buffer can go PVE but it relies on gank and mitigation, you need to reduce incoming DPS as much as possible and have enough DPS to clear out the objective before it kills you, hence it isn't as popular but thanks to depots and such its a sinch to refit on the fly
GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.03 01:57:11 -
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Holy unnecessary bling batman. also eeeeeeeeeeeew shield strat. you see what we mean about it having versatility though.
heres something practical and probably inline with your current skills [Stratios, Reasonable Fit] 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN Afterburner II
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Vespa II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x6 Ogre II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Acolyte II x8 Infiltrator II x5
Nanite Repair Paste x46 Core Scanner Probe I x16 Navy Cap Booster 400 x23
i keep a rep,hacking mods and an m-depo in the hold and swap out the plate and add guns for pve.
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.03 02:28:50 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Holy unnecessary bling batman. also eeeeeeeeeeeew shield strat. you see what we mean about it having versatility though.
heres something practical and probably inline with your current skills [Stratios, Reasonable Fit] 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN Afterburner II
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Vespa II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x6 Ogre II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Acolyte II x8 Infiltrator II x5
Nanite Repair Paste x46 Core Scanner Probe I x16 Navy Cap Booster 400 x23
i keep a rep,hacking mods and an m-depo in the hold and swap out the plate and add guns for pve.
How would you change this for for a pure pve fit? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18439
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Posted - 2016.10.03 02:41:24 -
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swap the plate for a rep, swap the neuts for lazorz. swap the scram for ... ehh whatever non bloodthirsty savages use instead of scrams.
you have a hudge cargo so you can carry a couple of fits and field strip the hull and do something different if you want
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Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 02:45:46 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:swap the plate for a rep, swap the neuts for lazorz. swap the scram for ... ehh whatever non bloodthirsty savages use instead of scrams.
you have a hudge cargo so you can carry a couple of fits and field strip the hull and do something different if you want
Tracking computer either for drones or lasers, which i'm surprised blood thirsty savages don't know about. Really you should try it, its like honey roasted parsnips, for better or worse you'll never forget them.
GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.03 02:56:19 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:swap the plate for a rep, swap the neuts for lazorz. swap the scram for ... ehh whatever non bloodthirsty savages use instead of scrams.
you have a hudge cargo so you can carry a couple of fits and field strip the hull and do something different if you want Tracking computer either for drones or lasers, which i'm surprised blood thirsty savages don't know about. Really you should try it, its like honey roasted parsnips, for better or worse you'll never forget them. bah, im an Armour Brawler through and through so those mids are generally spoken for
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Trevor Dalech
Absolute Obedience FREE GATES COALITION
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Posted - 2016.10.03 12:13:31 -
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Barnabas Fresante wrote:
Would you say DED 4/10s and Level 4 missions are roughly equivalent so that if you're fitted for the one, you should be able to do the other? Do you have an example fit by chance? I'm currently more armor oriented in my SP, but if flying a stratios effectively is my goal, I don't mind setting a new plan for future SP. I can already fly a strat, but I don't think my skills are anywhere near where they should be to fly it "properly."
*edit* Also, are there weapon choices you should just stay away from? I currently have sentry drones queued up for 24 days so I can use Guarde IIs... is that worth it? How about railguns versus lasers? Or does everything work pretty much the same as long as you have the skills for them?
DED 4/10 are FAR easier than lvl 4 missions. Most can be cleared with relative ease in a T1 cruiser (vexor or caracal for example) with a few months worth of skill points, although going navy/faction/T2 speeds up the process a bit. T3 cruisers and BS are not allowed in 4/10 and below. |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.03 12:56:34 -
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Time spent training core Navigation and Engineering skills is never time wasted.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.03 13:02:25 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Time spent training core Navigation and Engineering skills is never time wasted. likewise with drones
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.06 19:25:34 -
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Thank you everyone for the great suggestions for fittings and answers to questions. This thread has given me something more important than any single fitting: something to focus on. I'm going to start with Lulu's first fitting suggestion and see how it goes. My skills are such that I can run all those modules at least in the T1 variant, so if I like the general feel, I'll spend the time skilling up to the Tech 2 variants. I will also look at my core engineering skills and see how I can improve that. So now it's on to EFT to see what I can actually put together while adding some things of my own. After all, if I can't experiement, where's the fun in that??
A quick question on the geckos... I've heard theym highly praised, but goodness, what was it, 60 million isk each? if I made that investment I think I'd have a nervous breakdown every time I launched them! Are they really THAT good?
Thanks again! |
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
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Posted - 2016.10.06 19:34:42 -
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Barnabas Fresante wrote:Thank you everyone for the great suggestions for fittings and answers to questions. This thread has given me something more important than any single fitting: something to focus on. I'm going to start with Lulu's first fitting suggestion and see how it goes. My skills are such that I can run all those modules at least in the T1 variant, so if I like the general feel, I'll spend the time skilling up to the Tech 2 variants. I will also look at my core engineering skills and see how I can improve that. So now it's on to EFT to see what I can actually put together while adding some things of my own. After all, if I can't experiement, where's the fun in that??
A quick question on the geckos... I've heard theym highly praised, but goodness, what was it, 60 million isk each? if I made that investment I think I'd have a nervous breakdown every time I launched them! Are they really THAT good?
Thanks again!
Also make use of the test server. Switch to Singularity on the launcher. Every item in the game is seeded at 100 isk, so you can mess around with fittings easily.
Geckos are very good, it's up to you if you think they are worth the price tag. That's a purely subjective call. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.06 20:17:29 -
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Geckos are indeed fantastic. But They're reliant on heavy drone skills so you're going to want to have those else you'd be wasting money.
Are limited in numbers I.e. CCP gave us all a bunch of them a few years ago and there's been none new since so if you think they're bad now just wait till November. Regardless they're not going to compensate for much in the way of skills, Personally I wouldn't recommend that you take them anywhere dangerous for a little while. And keep a close eye on the rat agro if you do get them.
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.07 16:35:52 -
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So I took Lulu's fitting out for a spin and I really liked it, though my skills might be letting me down a tad. I am outputting just shy of 400 dps between drones and three 200 mm prototype gauss rail guns. Is this about right or am I way behind the curve? I only found one serpentis phi-outpost and it felt like it took awhile to work through the first room, though I was never in any danger myself, shirkds never went don past 70%... but then I got into the second room and another stratios dropped in and snaked the main boss guy away from me. He had to have combat probed me, right? Because I got the key for jump bridge thing... I think I need to find some more out of the way systems. The ded sites I ran were fun, but I only found that 1 level 4 and a couple unrated sites that I think were lower on the scale.
In other news, I'm thinking about hopping in something cheap and flying out into low sec and staying there until I die in a fire. I have gallente frigates to 5, what would you suggest I fly and how would I fit it? This is hopefully a cheap ship / fitting because I know I WILL die... and does anyone have any basic tactics rather than just flying around?
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.10.07 17:57:27 -
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Barnabas Fresante wrote: A quick question on the geckos... I've heard theym highly praised, but goodness, what was it, 60 million isk each? if I made that investment I think I'd have a nervous breakdown every time I launched them! Are they really THAT good?
The price efficiency in EVE has never been linear. Instead it is this nasty ascending curve that becomes steeper the more marginal the benefit over the previous item. Resulting in prices where a top tier module can easily cost more than the ship it is put on.
Add to this the finite supply of geckos and we have our current price spectrum.
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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.10.07 23:24:59 -
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So I just did a skill inventory using uni-wiki on core skills, prioritizing anything that boosts cpu and cap abilities (and more). . . I had no idea there WERE so many. Needless to say I now have about 35 days worth of training to get all the ones I lacked up to level 3 or in most cases 4. I think that will drastically increase my ability to put out the pain, whether on rats or turning pirate myself. I must be a real Eve pilot now ecause 35 days doesn't even seem that long to me anymore!
If anyone can offer some pvp solo-pirate ships/fits, I'd be much obliged. I just bought a tristan and will be messing around in EFT a bit, maybe I can come up with something on my own. But any help would be great! We'll see! |
lollerwaffle
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.10.12 05:34:17 -
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Barnabas Fresante wrote: I must be a real Eve pilot now ecause 35 days doesn't even seem that long to me anymore!
That's the turning point :) The moment you think, 'oh sweet I have 35 days (or 35 years lol) of useful skills lined up, now I don't have to worry about changing skills or choosing what to train next' |
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