So it mines as much as 8 Hulks, is the perfect mining booster, a jump freighter, a carrier and a FAX combined, with double the jumprange, 90% fatigue reduction and a 7 minute invulnerability mode.

Is it just me or does this sound maybe a little bit too good?

It can do pretty much everything. The only thing missing is an exploration bonus.

Let me point out again that a fully fit Rorq will cost over 3 bil. It roughly mines 4.4 Mil/min and is parked while doing so. Without the core it mines less than a hulk. Basically, you can make twice the isk/hr as a carrier but you are extremely likely to lose the ship. It isn't if you will lose it, but when you will lose it.

a whole lot of supercaps being built.

Why not allow cloaking while the industrial core is active?

basicaly i like the changes of the rorqual and the stats of the panic module exept one thing. Preventing all affected ships from warp makes this panic module and the rorqual rather useless.

18000m3 per minute is more than 10 times more than an exumer(hulk has about 1600m3 per minute)..

Is there any reason to bring some mining berges?

2. With 10ly jumprange and its insane drone dps bonus this ship becomes the #1 choise for hotdroping and pvp. It is also like the old carriers, with its 15 effective heavy drones it has the same amount as carriers were able to launch before citadel. This also makes it again possibile to run havens and sanctums afk and get about 40 mil per tick or so.

3. With its bonuses to RR, this ship is just like a FAX with a lot more DPS. The Industrial core boosts remote reps AND DPS. FAX triage module set drone dps to 0 when activated.

solutions:

Making them more accessible and expendable in general may not be a terrible thing for the game.

The issue is more that the people who already have large stockpiles of them are the ones in position to take advantage of this change to build more. This is not a good thing for new entities trying to enter the arena in the short term. In the long term, we may see more than one massive fight every few years (when someone screws up) as the losses will be more recoverable.

Because what is realistically 4 minutes or less is insufficient to sweep a grid for a cloaked ship. Assuming you found the right grid to start with. Also because I don't know where you get the idea of the Rorqual warping off. You would decloak and immediately jump to a cyno in tether range of a citadel.

Mining != PVP

If we wanted to do PVP, we would go do PVP...


Nobody with a brain will siege 1 rorqual in nullsec, unless they are using it as bait. What you will get is blobs of 20-30 rorquals and massive market problems.

Congratulations. You've given a massive financial boost to the largest blobbing nullsec alliances. Everyone else will have to use Orcas. Hope you're happy.

All turret, missile, drone and smartbomb damage set to 0

I believe they should be able to light a cyno then in P.A.N.I.C mode. However most fleet take at least 15min to get ready so I donGÇÖt think It will help the pilot much anyway.

Also does one Rorqual going into P.A.N.I.C protect a 2nd Rorqual in the same fleet?

Did you consider letting the Rorqual use every Isotope for jumping ? Kinda sucks that the proud queen of mining is tied too having ships bringing Oxygen Isotopes. Why did ORE choose this jump drive instead of inventing a new one capable of using all Isotopes ? Or did they hit legacy code when they did the research

P.A.N.I.C. Module:

-50% velocity

My opinion is that a cyno shouldnt be able to be lit while the PANIC mode is active (be it the rorq or the miner). It WILL end up being used as a cyno ship in large fleet engagements which isnt it's intended use.

This does NOT mean that you cant cyno in back up. It just means that you need to wait for the PANIC mode to cycle first, then light. You can still use the industrial core to supply reps and get the self rep benefits. If there's enough on grid to alpha through your rorq then there are other issues tbh.

I think a slightly favourable outcome might be that a cyno disables and inhibits the PANIC mode on which ever ship lights. That still allows a proc to refit a cyno in PANIC mode but be vul when it lights.

Everyone seems to be getting really excited about the theoretical yield of the rorqual but they're completely forgetting how bad drone mining mechanics are.

#1. There isn't even a hot key to make the mine, you have to use the context menu.

#2. The drone goes out, mines exactly 1 cycle and then returns with its mining amount.

The excavator drones exist on tranquility right now and they MWD at 100m/s. That's like a 10+ minute round trip to some of the ore site asteroids even with drone navigation comps and skills. The base speed needs to be an order of magnitude higher, or these things will spend over 90% of their time in transit and a sieged rorqual will be considerably worse than a barely trained barge in reality. The other option is that the Rorqual, a capital ship with **** for agility and warp speed that must additionally exit siege, rewarps for basically every individual asteroid it mines, and spends 90%+ of its time in warp... and is considerably worse than a barely trained barge in reality. Even if the drones are much quicker than the preliminary stats imply they will be, that theoretical yield will translate into a real yield of 25-50%, if that, and they'll be barely worth using as an upgrade over a Hulk.

With a theoretical yield of 18400m^3/minute and the speed as they exist on tranquility currently, for an asteroid 40,000m away (i.e. roughly the range something like half of the rocks in a colossal are from the warpin), it will take the drone 800 seconds (13.3 minutes) to travel for every 60 seconds of mining, meaning its real yield is 6.976% of the theoretical 18400 or 1283m^3 per minute. With drone navigation 5 and the MWD bonus from siege it will be 162.5m/s or 492s (8.2 minutes) of travel for 60 seconds of mining, or 10.8% efficiency / 1999m^3 per minute. That's like 20m isk/hr on spod, lol.

Put another way, a rookie ship with Miner II's jetcan mining (187m^3/min) would give an unsieged Rorqual (8.5% efficiency at 40km with 125m/s speed, of 3000m^3/min =257m^3/min) a good contest for most of an ore site after you factor in travel time if the base speed on tranquility is currently representative of final stats.