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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:11:33 -
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Ye gods, there's some people posting in this thread that have absolutely no clue about the kind of game that they're playing.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
351
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:19:45 -
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pajedas wrote: Correct. Eve is set far into the future.
Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.
They have the technology and future bureaucrats would make it happen.
You're just afraid you might actually have to "work" for a living.
I seriously don't want to get involved in this clown-show, but I do feel the need to point out that EvE is supposed to be a DYSTOPIAN future.
--Supposedly Evil Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
850
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:25:29 -
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Yesterday's dystopian future is today. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5388
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:36:03 -
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pajedas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Except ganking has gotten harder not easier. So much for your narrative.
So in way you are right, they listened to the wrong voices...and tried to make HS have a broader appeal and looking at the numbers it has failed miserably. Your childlike interpretation of the facts is almost cute. For the record, you're saying that "ganking is hard"?
I said it was harder. Now you have have to have a fleet with more players, a bumper, and so forth. Before it could be done where you'd pretty much take advantage of people using auto pilot.
And the amusing thing is you insisting that imprudent play should be rewarded.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18316
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:38:28 -
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pajedas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Except ganking has gotten harder not easier. So much for your narrative.
So in way you are right, they listened to the wrong voices...and tried to make HS have a broader appeal and looking at the numbers it has failed miserably. Your childlike interpretation of the facts is almost cute. For the record, you're saying that "ganking is hard"?
Its a hell of a lot harder than it used to be. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5388
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:39:22 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:pajedas wrote: Correct. Eve is set far into the future.
Do not allow "any" weapons into so-called high security space.
They have the technology and future bureaucrats would make it happen.
You're just afraid you might actually have to "work" for a living.
I seriously don't want to get involved in this clown-show, but I do feel the need to point out that EvE is supposed to be a DYSTOPIAN future. --Supposedly Evil Gadget
No, no! Don't you see with the wonderful technology and the wonderful bureaucrats of the far future will take care of people in HS like they are little children who need their hand held all the time. Via technology and benevolent leaders who are kind and caring people will remove all risk and concerns for everyone. Utopia will have finally been achieved.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
276
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:40:37 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ye gods, there's some people posting in this thread that have absolutely no clue about the kind of game that they're playing. Truth (RMS 2011.05.31)
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:I seriously don't want to get involved in this clown-show, but I do feel the need to point out that EvE is supposed to be a DYSTOPIAN future. (*removed link) You shouldn't call people clowns with the current state of affairs with them. I'm pretty sure they moved past that stage of evolution.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2469
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:40:40 -
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pajedas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Except ganking has gotten harder not easier. So much for your narrative.
So in way you are right, they listened to the wrong voices...and tried to make HS have a broader appeal and looking at the numbers it has failed miserably. Your childlike interpretation of the facts is almost cute. For the record, you're saying that "ganking is hard"?
I think we can all agree that, at a minimum, it's harder than exclusively engaging things that Concord was going to kill anyway.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5388
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:41:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:pajedas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Except ganking has gotten harder not easier. So much for your narrative.
So in way you are right, they listened to the wrong voices...and tried to make HS have a broader appeal and looking at the numbers it has failed miserably. Your childlike interpretation of the facts is almost cute. For the record, you're saying that "ganking is hard"? Its a hell of a lot harder than it used to be.
Which is why ganking has become something alliances and groups are dedicated too. Yes freighter ganking has always been in game, but the groups like Miniluv and CODE. formed later. Why? Why did it take so long for such groups to form?
Why has there been no Hulkaggedons in years?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
493
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:44:36 -
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Nero Jove wrote:All good advice. Just hard to pick up and leave when you call a system home for two years. Fighting options in high security when he is an NPC corp are pretty limited.
Sounds like this guy is a bot-aspirant. Have you thought of contacting CODE to deal with him? Or if that is too repulsive for you, try to gather 1-2 friends and spool up some ganking characters to beat the everloving **** out of him. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26992
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:52:07 -
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pajedas wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ye gods, there's some people posting in this thread that have absolutely no clue about the kind of game that they're playing. Truth (RMS 2011.05.31) What has my character's D.O.B got to do with it? My oldest character was sold a couple of weeks after creating this one
I take it that you are aware of the existence of multiple accounts, alts and the practice of selling characters via the character bazaar.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Feyd's Survival Pack
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5389
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Posted - 2016.10.19 18:53:40 -
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pajedas wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ye gods, there's some people posting in this thread that have absolutely no clue about the kind of game that they're playing. Truth (RMS 2011.05.31)
He was talking about you.
EVE stands for everyone vs. everyone.
EVE is in a dystopian future. Try reading some of the fiction articles about what life is like in the game. Even in the democratic Gallente Empire there are some pretty grim stories....and the Caldari...
And capsuleers are...well our immortality has made us out of touch with our fellow humans who are still planet side.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
355
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Posted - 2016.10.19 19:00:35 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
And capsuleers are...well our immortality has made us out of touch with our fellow humans who are still planet side.
Xenocracy is one of the Chronicles that best shows how out of touch Immortals are to their lessers.
--Librarian Gadget
Edit: This make PI fun again :)
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
19
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Posted - 2016.10.19 21:43:06 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Why has there been no Hulkaggedons in years? Because the Goons elected to change from a week long competition into a lame perpetual cash cow they wanted to milk. Pff a mere ten million bounty per exhumer - when the moon minerals for exhumer put a hundred million into the Goon coffers through moongoo sales. The first four hulkgeddons were a success without the Goons.
Why bother organising a new Hulkaggedon when there are already existing structures in place such as Code? The familar has breed the comtempt so many seem to crave. Mining ganking has devolved to the point were it is longer distinguishable from rescuing the Damsel. Ganking is supposed to be chaos, but Code has imposed order and structure on it. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18319
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:19:23 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Why has there been no Hulkaggedons in years? Because the Goons elected to change from a week long competition into a lame perpetual cash cow they wanted to milk. Pff a mere ten million bounty per exhumer - when the moon minerals for exhumer put a hundred million into the Goon coffers through moongoo sales. The first four hulkgeddons were a success without the Goons. Why bother organising a new Hulkaggedon when there are already existing structures in place such as Code? The familar has breed the comtempt so many seem to crave. Mining ganking has devolved to the point were it is longer distinguishable from rescuing the Damsel. Ganking is supposed to be chaos, but Code has imposed order and structure on it.
Hulkageddon was never run by goons, they just donated to the prize pool a few times.
Code are a direct result of all of the nerfs CCP have made. They started out as a protest group to nerfs being made 4-5 years ago and are now the only people left ganking miners. Miner ganking used to be even more organized than today. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:30:04 -
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baltec1 wrote:Penance Toralen wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Why has there been no Hulkaggedons in years? Because the Goons elected to change from a week long competition into a lame perpetual cash cow they wanted to milk. Pff a mere ten million bounty per exhumer - when the moon minerals for exhumer put a hundred million into the Goon coffers through moongoo sales. The first four hulkgeddons were a success without the Goons. Why bother organising a new Hulkaggedon when there are already existing structures in place such as Code? The familar has breed the comtempt so many seem to crave. Mining ganking has devolved to the point were it is longer distinguishable from rescuing the Damsel. Ganking is supposed to be chaos, but Code has imposed order and structure on it. Hulkageddon was never run by goons, they just donated to the prize pool a few times. Code are a direct result of all of the nerfs CCP have made. They started out as a protest group to nerfs being made 4-5 years ago and are now the only people left ganking miners. Miner ganking used to be even more organized than today. Any other history you would like to distort, so you continue on the narrative of how bad gankers have it now?
Not that I am sure how. After all according to people on these forums the skies are full to the brim with miners just waiting to be ganked and as it only takes 1 or 2 cats to do it, it should be a gankers paradise. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18319
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:35:00 -
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Mark Marconi wrote: Any other history you would like to distort, so you continue on the narrative of how bad gankers have it now?
My corp made most of that history.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
278
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:48:38 -
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baltec1 wrote:My corp made most of that history. Gåæ Whatever.
Here's a list of people that have, "made history".
Donald Henry Gaskins Tsutomu Miyazaki Luis Garavito Ahmad Suradji Alexander Pichushkin Andrei Chikatilo Charles Edmund Cullen Patrick Wayne Kearney Dennis Raider John George Haigh Paul Knowles William Bonin Aileen Wuornos Tommy Lynn Sells Pedro Rodriguez Filho Congratulations.
Gÿà FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums Gÿà
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18319
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:52:59 -
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pajedas wrote: Gåæ Whatever.
Mining interdictions, the gank catalyst, frieghter ganking tactics, burn jita.
All came out of Bat Country. |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
75
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:54:10 -
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Thanks Bat Country! :) |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4481
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:56:43 -
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I'd generally consider it a badge of honor if people considered me the EVE equivalent of a serial killer.
I'd be all "Finally, the understand what I was going for all this time!" |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18319
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Posted - 2016.10.19 23:11:15 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I'd generally consider it a badge of honor if people considered me the EVE equivalent of a serial killer.
I'd be all "Finally, the understand what I was going for all this time!"
We were considered genocidal. It got to the point where on the caldari interdiction we set up an online form to fill in for people to vent at and just mailed that to every victim. |
Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
19
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Posted - 2016.10.20 01:42:06 -
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baltec1 wrote:Penance Toralen wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Why has there been no Hulkaggedons in years? Because the Goons elected to change from a week long competition into a lame perpetual cash cow they wanted to milk. Pff a mere ten million bounty per exhumer - when the moon minerals for exhumer put a hundred million into the Goon coffers through moongoo sales. The first four hulkgeddons were a success without the Goons. Why bother organising a new Hulkaggedon when there are already existing structures in place such as Code? The familar has breed the comtempt so many seem to crave. Mining ganking has devolved to the point were it is longer distinguishable from rescuing the Damsel. Ganking is supposed to be chaos, but Code has imposed order and structure on it. Hulkageddon was never run by goons, they just donated to the prize pool a few times. Code are a direct result of all of the nerfs CCP have made. They started out as a protest group to nerfs being made 4-5 years ago and are now the only people left ganking miners. Miner ganking used to be even more organized than today.
Bollocks - Hulkageddon 5; http://www.machine9.net/?p=663 the Unholy Union. Goons ran the kill board.
No, Code was a direct result of a player getting salty over the 10,000 CSM votes getting pissed up against a wall by Mittens. James315 tried multiple methods of being a serial pest, before the GMs gave a pass to bumping. Which is why this tripe exists;
Quote: The New Order of Highsec continues to recognize The Mittani as the legitimate Chairman of the CSM. This determination remains the rule in all New Order territories.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5392
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Posted - 2016.10.20 03:06:55 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:baltec1 wrote:Penance Toralen wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Why has there been no Hulkaggedons in years? Because the Goons elected to change from a week long competition into a lame perpetual cash cow they wanted to milk. Pff a mere ten million bounty per exhumer - when the moon minerals for exhumer put a hundred million into the Goon coffers through moongoo sales. The first four hulkgeddons were a success without the Goons. Why bother organising a new Hulkaggedon when there are already existing structures in place such as Code? The familar has breed the comtempt so many seem to crave. Mining ganking has devolved to the point were it is longer distinguishable from rescuing the Damsel. Ganking is supposed to be chaos, but Code has imposed order and structure on it. Hulkageddon was never run by goons, they just donated to the prize pool a few times. Code are a direct result of all of the nerfs CCP have made. They started out as a protest group to nerfs being made 4-5 years ago and are now the only people left ganking miners. Miner ganking used to be even more organized than today. Bollocks - Hulkageddon 5; http://www.machine9.net/?p=663 the Unholy Union. Goons ran the kill board. No, Code was a direct result of a player getting salty over the 10,000 CSM votes getting pissed up against a wall by Mittens. James315 tried multiple methods of being a serial pest, before the GMs gave a pass to bumping. Which is why this tripe exists; Quote: The New Order of Highsec continues to recognize The Mittani as the legitimate Chairman of the CSM. This determination remains the rule in all New Order territories.
You know drinking deep of the kool-aid will not only mess up your ability to think, but will also give you diabetes.
Might want to switch to water.
Anyone else remember the days when it was BoB that were the assholes in game?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:26:53 -
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BoB caused the creation of the CSM.
So is that a good or a bad thing? |
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
88
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Posted - 2016.10.20 05:35:25 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I'd generally consider it a badge of honor if people considered me the EVE equivalent of a serial killer.
I'd be all "Finally, the understand what I was going for all this time!" We were considered genocidal. It got to the point where on the caldari interdiction we set up an online form to fill in for people to vent at and just mailed that to every victim.
Not like you invented that or anything. Just as most things that was simply copied from others who did that before, albeit perhaps not on that scale, to then claim it as yours. Don't fall for your own propaganda and history rewriting. |
Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:04:42 -
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baltec1 wrote:and are now the only people left ganking miners.
That's not even close to true.
https://zkillboard.com/ship/17478/ |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:17:42 -
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That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could.
A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance. |
Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:31:31 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could. A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance.
Please, All that zkill shows is that carebears will always choose to play as if they were entitled to some sort of safety, or a free pass. They will antitank a space ship in a space ship shooting game, then park it in space and wait to be killed. All while afk.
I would say 100% of those dead miners died needlessly, completely their own fault, nothing to do with ship imbalance. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:39:37 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could. A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance. Please, All that zkill shows is that carebears will always choose to play as if they were entitled to some sort of safety, or a free pass. They will antitank a space ship in a space ship shooting game, then park it in space and wait to be killed. All while afk. I would say 100% of those dead miners died needlessly, completely their own fault, nothing to do with ship imbalance. Maybe they don't know how to tank a ship.
Its not like it is part of the miners chain of tutorials in game play. Maybe how to tank the hell out of a mining barge needs to be part of the NPE. |
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