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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2943
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:47:59 -
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Mark Marconi wrote: Maybe they don't know how to tank a ship.
Its not like it is part of the miners chain of tutorials in game play. Maybe how to tank the hell out of a mining barge needs to be part of the NPE.
We are that part of the tutorial.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1932
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:50:46 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote: So to sum it up your advice is don't be rich in hi-sec.
So much for the rule of law. As to risk vs reward, I think I understand it better than you. The gankers risk is minuscule in the respect they can continuously do it with no real effects.
No, if you want a quick summary: Don't be imprudent. If you put 8 billion in your freighter, you are being imprudent. Just noting: you love to repeat this but lossmails of empty freghters do not help you
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5393
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:55:37 -
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March rabbit wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote: So to sum it up your advice is don't be rich in hi-sec.
So much for the rule of law. As to risk vs reward, I think I understand it better than you. The gankers risk is minuscule in the respect they can continuously do it with no real effects.
No, if you want a quick summary: Don't be imprudent. If you put 8 billion in your freighter, you are being imprudent. Just noting: you love to repeat this but lossmails of empty freghters do not help you
And how many loss mails are there for empty freighters. How many loss mails are there were several billion worth of cargo? And how many freighters are moving stuff and not getting ganked?
If you want to autopilot your empty freighter you can, but there is a chance it will get ganked. Not much of one, IMO, but a non-zero probability. So autopiloting your 1.3 billion capital ship...yeah kind of imprudent too. Don't do it, unless losing 1.3 billion is no big deal.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2016.10.20 06:57:41 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could. A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance. Please, All that zkill shows is that carebears will always choose to play as if they were entitled to some sort of safety, or a free pass. They will antitank a space ship in a space ship shooting game, then park it in space and wait to be killed. All while afk. I would say 100% of those dead miners died needlessly, completely their own fault, nothing to do with ship imbalance. Maybe they don't know how to tank a ship. Its not like it is part of the miners chain of tutorials in game play. Maybe how to tank the hell out of a mining barge needs to be part of the NPE.
Whatever happened to "EVE is hard" They can do what the rest if us did to learn to tank, research and joining player run corps (not in highsec) and learning from others.
You carebears don't even try anymore
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2943
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:04:10 -
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March rabbit wrote:Just noting: you love to repeat this but lossmails of empty freghters do not help you
Recently in a rant of carebear A form corp B in thread C:
"Ganking was never intended to be profitable, so we should buff freighters and mining barges once again so that ganking only happens if you have a serious grudge against that person and not for profit!"
Simultaneously in another thread carebear D from corp E shed some different tears:
"Gankers even target empty Freighters! EMPTY!! They don't even make profit!! Ganking should only be allowed for profit, if you gank just for tears that is harassment and they should all get banned!!"
I am obviously joking. We even get that in the same thread.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:06:53 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote: Whatever happened to "EVE is hard" They can do what the rest if us did to learn to tank, research and joining player run corps (not in highsec) and learning from others.
You carebears don't even try anymore
Not everyone deserves EVE.
Yeah the whole EvE is hard thing died about the time subscriptions started making a dive to the floor. Yes it used to be a learning cliff but now CCP are actually trying to stay in business. Most people have moved on from PC games so now this is a niche market game on a niche market piece of equipment.
So whats wrong with a how to tank the hell out of your ship tutorial? Its not like the game will die with it but if it is just more of the same well hey we are getting free to play. Keep it up and we can get pay to win. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5394
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:10:53 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could. A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance.
For somebody who was talking about knowing something about statistics this statement of yours is very revealing.
How many retrievers were out there mining in HS during the time covered by the first page of those kills (and after removing NS and LS kills)?
That is if you copy and paste the first page of kills, remove the LS and NS kills we have retrievers killed in HS from 05:28 Oct 19 to 02:37 Oct 20.
How many retrievers in that time frame were out mining and did not get ganked?
After all if we are to get an idea of how bad the ganking problem is we need to know:
Ganked Retrievers/Total Retrievers Mining.
By my count during that time span 36 retrievers were ganked. If there were 72 retrievers out mining in total that day, then the rate of ganking is 0.5. But if there were 360 then the rate is 0.1.
You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:14:22 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote: Whatever happened to "EVE is hard" They can do what the rest if us did to learn to tank, research and joining player run corps (not in highsec) and learning from others.
You carebears don't even try anymore
Not everyone deserves EVE.
Yeah the whole EvE is hard thing died about the time subscriptions started making a dive to the floor. Yes it used to be a learning cliff but now CCP are actually trying to stay in business. Most people have moved on from PC games so now this is a niche market game on a niche market piece of equipment. So whats wrong with a how to tank the hell out of your ship tutorial? Its not like the game will die with it but if it is just more of the same well hey we are getting free to play. Keep it up and we can get pay to win.
Well hell friend, why stop with that tutorial? There's nothing wrong with tutorials, but if a carebear stops after doing only the mining tutorial, then he missed the tanking one from the combat tutorial.
Know why it's in the combat tutorial? Because EVE is PVP, and if your first instinct in EVE is to do the mining tutorial then stop and be a miner, maybe EVE is the wrong game for you, and the tanking tutorial is a waste at that point. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:21:21 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could. A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance. For somebody who was talking about knowing something about statistics this statement of yours is very revealing. How many retrievers were out there mining in HS during the time covered by the first page of those kills (and after removing NS and LS kills)? That is if you copy and paste the first page of kills, remove the LS and NS kills we have retrievers killed in HS from 05:28 Oct 19 to 02:37 Oct 20. How many retrievers in that time frame were out mining and did not get ganked? After all if we are to get an idea of how bad the ganking problem is we need to know: Ganked Retrievers/Total Retrievers Mining. By my count during that time span 36 retrievers were ganked. If there were 72 retrievers out mining in total that day, then the rate of ganking is 0.5. But if there were 360 then the rate is 0.1. You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? It is not the probability of a ship being ganked that I have a problem with. After all this EvE and no where should be completely safe.
It is the crappy little cheap destroyers. They mean that the gankers risk little on the side of isk up for the gamble when they gank someone. It also means reduced risk on the other side of anti-gankers ganking them are going to get less because they are such crappy little ships.
This also impacts on another side which is demand for minerals. Being able to use such crappy little ships means that only small numbers of minerals are destroyed and small numbers are needed to create a new destroyer.
I do not want to see ganking ganked. Just those stupid destroyers. If you had to use the equivalent number of cruisers then that is more on par with risk vs reward.
Also I do worry that either a lot of players of this game have never learned how to tank a ship or we just have a lot of complete morons. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5395
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:32:11 -
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Mark Marconi wrote: It is not the probability of a ship being ganked that I have a problem with. After all this EvE and no where should be completely safe.
It is the crappy little cheap destroyers. They mean that the gankers risk little on the side of isk up for the gamble when they gank someone. It also means reduced risk on the other side of anti-gankers ganking them are going to get less because they are such crappy little ships.
This also impacts on another side which is demand for minerals. Being able to use such crappy little ships means that only small numbers of minerals are destroyed and small numbers are needed to create a new destroyer.
I do not want to see ganking ganked. Just those stupid destroyers. If you had to use the equivalent number of cruisers then that is more on par with risk vs reward.
Also I do worry that either a lot of players of this game have never learned how to tank a ship or we just have a lot of complete morons.
Seriously?
If there are 1,000 retrievers out in the belts and 36 get ganked that strikes me as very different than 36 retrievers were out in the belts and 36 were ganked.
The former indicates little to no problem, the latter suggest you might have a leg to stand on.
Since you don't know the total number of retrievers in the belts...you kinda don't have a leg...not even a stump.
Talking about risk for gankers is also really revealing. How can you talk about risk when the probability of ship loss is 100%? If you face a loss of 100% there is no risk, but certainty. It is with certainty that the ganker is going to lose 8 million ISK. For the miner the probability of loss is actually less than 100% if they are paying attention. If you see that guy land in the belt in a catalyst and you are not warping off...well you are doing it wrong. Even another ship warping in....I'd be a bit inclined to change position or even align out. After all he could be providing a warp in.
Like I have been saying, play prudently and you'll be fine. CODE. aren't going after the prudent, but the imprudent.
Oh, and BTW, with that kind of effort, why not look into moving to a NS rental alliance?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Project.Mayhem.
1646
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:42:11 -
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Nero Jove wrote:Just curious if a player doing nothing but continually harassing players in a system all day long would be considered griefing by CCP? It was a peaceful system until this guy showed up . First came his 10 toon ice mining fleet. Then came his griefer. He bumps and bumps and bumps. every spawn - every single day. He never misses one. The obvious answer is just leave the system, but that feels like such a cop out. Ideas of how to deal with this are appreciated.
Bump back for Hells sake. Hire Mercs. Wardec him yourself.
Unbelievable how helpless high sec became in the last years. Better leave the game if you are not up to it.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 07:51:29 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mark Marconi wrote: It is not the probability of a ship being ganked that I have a problem with. After all this EvE and no where should be completely safe.
It is the crappy little cheap destroyers. They mean that the gankers risk little on the side of isk up for the gamble when they gank someone. It also means reduced risk on the other side of anti-gankers ganking them are going to get less because they are such crappy little ships.
This also impacts on another side which is demand for minerals. Being able to use such crappy little ships means that only small numbers of minerals are destroyed and small numbers are needed to create a new destroyer.
I do not want to see ganking ganked. Just those stupid destroyers. If you had to use the equivalent number of cruisers then that is more on par with risk vs reward.
Also I do worry that either a lot of players of this game have never learned how to tank a ship or we just have a lot of complete morons.
Seriously? If there are 1,000 retrievers out in the belts and 36 get ganked that strikes me as very different than 36 retrievers were out in the belts and 36 were ganked. The former indicates little to no problem, the latter suggest you might have a leg to stand on. Since you don't know the total number of retrievers in the belts...you kinda don't have a leg...not even a stump. Talking about risk for gankers is also really revealing. How can you talk about risk when the probability of ship loss is 100%? If you face a loss of 100% there is no risk, but certainty. It is with certainty that the ganker is going to lose 8 million ISK. For the miner the probability of loss is actually less than 100% if they are paying attention. If you see that guy land in the belt in a catalyst and you are not warping off...well you are doing it wrong. Even another ship warping in....I'd be a bit inclined to change position or even align out. After all he could be providing a warp in. Like I have been saying, play prudently and you'll be fine. CODE. aren't going after the prudent, but the imprudent. Oh, and BTW, with that kind of effort, why not look into moving to a NS rental alliance? Seriously. I am too lazy for Null these days.
Been there, done that. Loved the excitement, loved the gate camps. Got completely slaughtered in roams but now I work to much and study to much for Null. I am just a casual player now.
Those crappy destroyers get right up my nose though. That was one of the worst things CCP ever did. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2946
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:09:48 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18323
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:40:57 -
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It was run by Helicity Boson, CFC didn't run it they just donated isk and that year a KB to use. CFC were just one of many who donated to the event.
Penance Toralen wrote: No, Code was a direct result of a player getting salty over the 10,000 CSM votes getting pissed up against a wall by Mittens. James315 tried multiple methods of being a serial pest, before the GMs gave a pass to bumping. Which is why this tripe exists
Its a protest group that formed towards the end of the mining interdictions to protest CCP nerfing their gameplay. They did not form because of the 10,000 vote event but they did use it as part of their argument against CCP. It has now morphed into what it is today.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18323
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Posted - 2016.10.20 08:43:48 -
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You do know code alts operate outside of the code corp to avoid wardecs right? Ganking miners is a loss making operation, the only reason code are still doing it is because people make donations to them. |
Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:00:12 -
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baltec1 wrote:You do know code alts operate outside of the code corp to avoid wardecs right? Ganking miners is a loss making operation, the only reason code are still doing it is because people make donations to them.
Friend you cant even show us that half he highsec gankers are CODE.
Dont get me wrong, CODE is active, good at what they do, and have the best press, but i got a hisec gank alt. All my friends have highsec gank alts. None of us are CODE or CODE alts.
We do it for the luls, screw profit. And i know of several other groups just in our immediate gank areas that are active, fulltime, and gank miners almost exclusively for fun.
Saying CODE are the "only people left ganking" is just wrong. Defending it won't make it right as much as make you look like a highsec crybear. A condecending one at that.
Thanks for playing tho. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18323
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:30:47 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote:
Friend you cant even show us that half he highsec gankers are CODE.
I just told you why they are not in code. They even have a chat channel for organizing these our of corp agents.
"The New Order transcends corporations, alliances, and coalitions. There's no list of references or skill requirement needed for a new Agent to join us. Everyone in EVE who takes any action to support our cause is an Agent of the New Order. Whether it's something big or small, once or many times, within or outside of official EVE channels, whether it's taken by someone I know well or by someone I'll never meet--each action intended to influence others for the advancement of the New Order is the action of an Agent."
"Q. Why are you in an NPC corp? Are you afraid of being wardecced?
On the contrary, I am Invincible and am afraid of nothing. I do not need corp members to fight my battles for me, nor do I feel the need to hide behind a corporate veil. I will fight anyone at any time. However, creating a corporation does cost over a million isk, which would cut into my profit margin."
Thats taken from their own recruitment page and QA page.
Jagd Wilde wrote: Dont get me wrong, CODE is active, good at what they do, and have the best press, but i got a hisec gank alt. All my friends have highsec gank alts. None of us are CODE or CODE alts.
We do it for the luls, screw profit. And i know of several other groups just in our immediate gank areas that are active, fulltime, and gank miners almost exclusively for fun.
Saying CODE are the "only people left ganking" is just wrong. Defending it won't make it right as much as make you look like a highsec crybear. A condecending one at that.
Thanks for playing tho.
There are naturally a few not with code but code are the only organisation left. There used to be several, mine being one of them that would target miners. CCP nerfed ganking so hard code is all thats left and nobody ganks miners for profit anymore which has lead to a whole host of other problems, the main one being that ganks are no longer targeted, they are random and it doesn't matter how miners fit their ships. The great irony is while ganking has been nerfed into the ground miners are less safe than before and mining itself has never had so little content. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.10.20 09:36:28 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it. While you consider it as complete fact as it justifies your existence. Even though you have no idea if it is valid or not. |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
302
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:07:20 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it. While you consider it as complete fact as it justifies your existence. Even though you have no idea if it is valid or not.
What, exactly, is CCP's motivation to downplay the effects of ganking on player retention? Do you think they want to lose money? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2948
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:12:54 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it. While you consider it as complete fact as it justifies your existence. Even though you have no idea if it is valid or not. Not all opinions are equal.
My opinion is an informed opinion based on the study CCP provided. They invested time to actually look into the data and verify their initial assumption which was that ganking harms player retention. We can assume that CCP is a credible source and has a strong motivation of getting this right because this is actually a critical information for their business and they depend on it to make the right decisions.
Your opinion is a gut feeling based on nothing at all. You did not look into the data, you did not invest any time at all to verify your view or can present a credible source who did this and came to the conclusions you present here. You are the proverbial esoteric freak who thinks his weird idea of how the world works which he got from his last LSD trip is on the same level as the physicist's model which they acquired by actually investing time looking into how things work and weed out false ideas.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:28:32 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:You are only looking at one part of the picture and yet you can confidently make such a statement? Hey, it confirms his already as truth established view so a random list of somethingGäó is incredibly more convincing than a study performed by an entity who actually cares about the real results because their business depends on it. While you consider it as complete fact as it justifies your existence. Even though you have no idea if it is valid or not. Not all opinions are equal. My opinion is an informed opinion based on the study CCP provided. They invested time to actually look into the data and verify their initial assumption which was that ganking harms player retention. We can assume that CCP is a credible source and has a strong motivation of getting this right because this is actually a critical information for their business and they depend on it to make the right decisions. Your opinion is a gut feeling based on nothing at all. You did not look into the data, you did not invest any time at all to verify your view or can present a credible source who did this and came to the conclusions you present here. You are the proverbial esoteric freak who thinks his weird idea of how the world works which he got from his last LSD trip is on the same level as the physicist's model which they acquired by actually investing time looking into how things work and weed out false ideas. Why can you assume that a company with no statistical back ground is a credible source?
Let me guess you are one of these people who buy things because they are advertised as new and improved or the best around.
You believe what they have said because it is what you want them to have said. Nothing more.
My opinion is exactly that my opinion but I do not hold up unproven statistics as if they are the bible either.
And physicist's model? God I really hope you are some pimply teenager still at school. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:33:45 -
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Mark Marconi wrote:Jagd Wilde wrote:Mark Marconi wrote:That shows the extent of the imbalance better than words could. A single crappy destroyer in a lot of cases destroying a ship that is meant to be designed for the dangers of hi-sec. Even tanked they dont stand a chance. Please, All that zkill shows is that carebears will always choose to play as if they were entitled to some sort of safety, or a free pass. They will antitank a space ship in a space ship shooting game, then park it in space and wait to be killed. All while afk. I would say 100% of those dead miners died needlessly, completely their own fault, nothing to do with ship imbalance. Maybe they don't know how to tank a ship. Its not like it is part of the miners chain of tutorials in game play. Maybe how to tank the hell out of a mining barge needs to be part of the NPE.
Well, the industrially oriented career agents stuff some combat missions into the equation, so new players should at least know they can be attacked while mining. |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.20 12:45:57 -
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Owen Levanth wrote: Well, the industrially oriented career agents stuff some combat missions into the equation, so new players should at least know they can be attacked while mining.
I am actually looking forward to the NPE when it becomes free to play.
I will run through it and see what it is like now. |
pajedas
Special Activities Division
319
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:01:45 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:I am obviously joking. We even get that in the same thread. 'There is no more neutrality in the world. You either have to be part of the solution, or you're going to be part of the problem.' T. Siedner, London NW2
When you named your character you announced to the world that you wanted to be part of the problem.
I'm fine with that. Where I draw the line is when you try to force yourself on other people.
I guarantee that in life you are more a mouse than a lion. And before you go crying to the moderators saying, "the big scary man was mean to me" consider this. Why are gankers ALWAYS the first to cry for moderation?
I'll start a blog outside of here "free" of moderation and see how you fare...
G˙ŕ FACT: Gankers make up 87.5% of the Trolls in E.O. Forums G˙ŕ
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Session 1
Smokin' Aces.
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:15:55 -
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As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself (pvper).
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp. |
pajedas
Special Activities Division
319
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:29:46 -
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Session 1 wrote:As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself (pvper).
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp. +1
GˇÉ Who needs moderation? GˇÉ
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
76
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:51:17 -
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Session 1 wrote:As a new (returning, under 5m SP) player it is quite obvious that the high sec gank/grief mechanics are cancer to this game. Please note I have never experience ganking or greifing as ive always been in null or low sec myself (pvper).
"Player freedom" doesn't mean you should have the ability to harass/gank players in the lawful areas of the game. And the NPC faction should project their power to stop wars in areas they control, in reality these wars would be bad for their stability and economy.
In a game with respawns, "player freedom" should not mean "ability to do whatever you want with no real consequences".
Gankers/griefers are bad for the health of games...just look at gaming history.
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp.
CCP Falcon wrote:
"I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.
Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.
Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.
That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.
EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.
Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight :)"
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Session 1 wrote:
****when I say gankers/griefers I am talking about those preying upon people that want to play in safe(low reward) areas and have no desire for pvp.
Why would you play a PVP sandbox and not PVP? That is the type of mentality you leave outside EVE.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:09:11 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on. Welcome to EVE! ;) At the end of the day, that's just one person's opinion.
I respect CCP Falcon. Has anyone asked him what he would do if subscriber-ship was so low because of this type of thinking, that they resorted to giving the game away, what would he do?
Would he still want to be "working on the project"?
I mean, really...a paycheck is nice...no?
GˇÉ Who needs moderation? GˇÉ
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Jagd Wilde
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.20 14:12:03 -
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pajedas wrote:
I mean, really...a paycheck is nice...no?
Typical greedy carebear mentality |
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