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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2016.10.24 21:57:19 -
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Anyone notice prices going up a bit much? The problem I think is people control the market through immense amounts of isk just throwing buy orders out right below where they want the prices, they get the items they hold the market and what can you do? Oh manufacture and sell some? Not a chance you're going to lower the prices with a small indy corp of yourself and 10 alts, you'll get what the markets are set at and make the manipulators even more money.
Someone's getting greedy is all. Maybe someone pissed at the gambling ban? Or is it the new players who "might" come causing the change?
Being sapient can drive us mad.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
584
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Posted - 2016.10.24 22:33:16 -
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Most of the goods I deal with are roughly stable in price - some even have lost some value. It would be incorrect to talk about "inflation" all around EVE. Sure, the collective ISK printing machine is going strong, but players also produce more stuff than they're consuming right now. Unless someone causes a major surge in demand by buying out items for a stratop, lots of T1 junk often sells close to the cost of production.
As for the choice few positions that get played by the major traders - welcome to a model of a libertarian economy. No one promised you equality and fair treatment. You're free to accumulate the starting capital and join the fray. There is good ISK on the markets. |
Tiberius NoVegas
Stellar Exploration Consortium
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Posted - 2016.10.24 22:39:46 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Anyone notice prices going up a bit much? The problem I think is people control the market through immense amounts of isk just throwing buy orders out right below where they want the prices, they get the items they hold the market and what can you do? Oh manufacture and sell some? Not a chance you're going to lower the prices with a small indy corp of yourself and 10 alts, you'll get what the markets are set at and make the manipulators even more money.
Someone's getting greedy is all. Maybe someone pissed at the gambling ban? Or is it the new players who "might" come causing the change?
You should read a book on economics to get the full grasp of whats going on in the even market...CCP has 5 economist on the payroll to keep the market in check and even then, thing still get out of hand from time to time.
The big under lining issue with eve economy is hyperinflation because eventually the money get funnelled to the big corporations in null sec and just doesnt go anywhere untill a major even arises. while at the other end of the spectrum, players running missions are essentially generating ISK out of thin air. EVE online does have an inflation issue but its an issue they try to keep under control because there is no real way to prevent it.
As for market manipulation, it happens and is perfectly legel. Best thing you can do is compete on the market to adjest the prices. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
525
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Posted - 2016.10.24 23:00:22 -
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Yes there are forces that are too large and in charge to be competitive in those market hubs and surrounding systems, but although you will not sell as "fast" as in a hub, but there are a number of underdeveloped markets in systems a few jumps out from the hub, you got to make someone want your stuff by a couple of ways;
1. In the region of Jita there are numerous systems that do not have any supplies going into their markets, knowing this the further your out from Jita but still in the region that people can compare prices you mark up a bit, not greedy but a fair price over Jita because many either need the item quickly or cannot go to a hub because of war decs.
2. People feel safer staying out of those regions, same as in RL you don't get folks going from their safe neighborhoods to the ghetto to buy stuff, when you give them an option, save jumps, and lower their risk people are more willing to pay a small premium for the convince.
This is how I make some of my passive ISK. |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
547
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Posted - 2016.10.25 00:01:31 -
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I build stuff I think people could use and sell it at the nearest tradehub. Hek is the best if you want to throw your cheap crap around because nobody cares enough to actually fight back against your small order and some even run away if you get aggressive enough. That and random sales on **** you got in null somehow. I stay too small to matter and watch for someone attempting to grab a high price with my slightly lower than theirs.
PL for that hauler kill tho, such a dirty trick I should have had no reason to warp at distance but I did, and they had pandemic horde cloaked in everything with prototype cloaks, a newbie cloak mine D:
Being sapient can drive us mad.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5423
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Posted - 2016.10.25 01:31:13 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Anyone notice prices going up a bit much? The problem I think is people control the market through immense amounts of isk just throwing buy orders out right below where they want the prices, they get the items they hold the market and what can you do? Oh manufacture and sell some? Not a chance you're going to lower the prices with a small indy corp of yourself and 10 alts, you'll get what the markets are set at and make the manipulators even more money.
Someone's getting greedy is all. Maybe someone pissed at the gambling ban? Or is it the new players who "might" come causing the change?
Please explain this process in detail. I don't think you realize that controlling the market does not work quite that way. So lay it out in a step by step process.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2527
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Posted - 2016.10.25 01:52:42 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Anyone notice prices going up a bit much? The problem I think is people control the market through immense amounts of isk just throwing buy orders out right below where they want the prices, they get the items they hold the market and what can you do? Oh manufacture and sell some? Not a chance you're going to lower the prices with a small indy corp of yourself and 10 alts, you'll get what the markets are set at and make the manipulators even more money.
Someone's getting greedy is all. Maybe someone pissed at the gambling ban? Or is it the new players who "might" come causing the change? Please explain this process in detail. I don't think you realize that controlling the market does not work quite that way. So lay it out in a step by step process.
It's a three phase process.
In phase one, a shadowy cabal meets in Mittani's basement. After a requisite period of socialization - mostly consisting of braiding eachother's hair and eating icecream cake - the meeting is called to order.
Phase two is where the strategizing happens. Hand-painted Warhammer figurines are place (strategically, ofcourse) onto printed Dotlan maps. Someone's long-suffering significant other runs to 7-11 for cigarettes and Mountain Dew. The Evil Overlord guide is consulted to avoid obvious mistakes.
In phase three, the conspiracy is set into motion and the markets are officially under control.
There you have it.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
the troll bridge
23491
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Posted - 2016.10.25 02:03:05 -
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Halford Wintergreen Morsh Jr... are you making a 'Things cost too much' thread?!?!?!!
For shame! SHAAAAAAAAME!
Also, for the life of me i will never understand why you chose the middle name Wintergreen.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.10.25 07:16:57 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Halford Wintergreen Morsh Jr... are you making a 'Things cost too much' thread?!?!?!!
For shame! SHAAAAAAAAME!
Also, for the life of me i will never understand why you chose the middle name Wintergreen.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
226
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Posted - 2016.10.25 07:27:52 -
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So what? Buy somewhere else! This isn't new. I wanted to buy guided missle precision and in my region they wanted 2+M ISK for it. normal Price 60k. So I took a quick search at Eve Central and some jumps. I don't mind if someone makes 20 or even 30% but I will not accept getting robbed. |
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
218
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Posted - 2016.10.25 09:01:48 -
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Prices always go up. Battleships cost 80 mil a few years ago. PLEX 400 mil. It all depends on the number of ISK grinders. On the Chinese server a PLEX cost ~3 billion a while ago (probalby more now). I wonder how many grinders we get with the F2P expansion. F2P games tend to have a lot of hardcore grinders. I wouldnt be surprised if a PLEX cost 3 billion in 1 year. But CCP would probably intervene if prices skyrocket. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.10.25 17:56:22 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:So what? Buy somewhere else! This isn't new. I wanted to buy guided missle precision and in my region they wanted 2+M ISK for it. normal Price 60k. So I took a quick search at Eve Central and some jumps. I don't mind if someone makes 20 or even 30% but I will not accept getting robbed.
Exactly. There is this thing called competition. There is not much a player (players) in Jita can do to stop me from inventing stuff and then selling it at the prices they have artificially driven up letting me cash in on their hard work.
And if there are multiple players enforcing a cartel agreement is going to be very damned hard when you factor in things like alts. If one party can make additional ISK by cheating on the cartel agreement how do you detect it and more importantly how do you punish the cheater?
These are simpleton conspiracy theories.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:10:18 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Prices always go up. Battleships cost 80 mil a few years ago. PLEX 400 mil. It all depends on the number of ISK grinders. On the Chinese server a PLEX cost ~3 billion a while ago (probalby more now). I wonder how many grinders we get with the F2P expansion. F2P games tend to have a lot of hardcore grinders. I wouldnt be surprised if a PLEX cost 3 billion in 1 year. But CCP would probably intervene if prices skyrocket.
Grinding with an alpha will be extremely inefficient given the skill cap.
The costs of battleships across time are not directly comparable given changes to mining, drone poo, mission loot drops, and so forth.
As for PLEX, think of it this way, how much ISK could a player per day to afford a PLEX? If a PLEX costs 1.2 billion the player has to make 40 million/day. To the extent that there are enough players who can generate that kind of ISK on a daily basis PLEX prices will rise. A counter to that is that some players will see that high price as sufficient to use RL money to buy a PLEX and then sell it in game. That some players might use that ISK to engage in further ISK generating activities it can end up leading to additional demand for PLEX in game.
Also, it is not appropriate to make a comparison to PLEX prices on the Chinese server to those on Tranquility. We do not know if that high price is due to higher demand than on Tranquility or lower supply or even some of both. They are two totally separate markets, so just because the price is 3 billion in Serenity does not mean we that it will have to be that high on Tranquility someday.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Pandora Carrollon
Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic.
675
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Posted - 2016.10.25 18:53:44 -
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If you want to print money, find a good spot in each of the regions the tullies and set up a market that sells stuff at a reasonable rate. Lo-Null Sec pilots are always dying to NOT go into HiSec and deal with the drama. Prices in Null are a bit high but that's because you aren't going any place far away for that thing you need right away.
EVE economics are spot on supply vs. demand. There is ALWAYS someone willing to under sell you and controlling the markets is nearly impossible on an EVE wide scale. Yes, factors can 'dominate' a market but it's still supply and demand.
If the War Dec mechanism gets changed, we'll see changes in the major HiSec markets, otherwise, they are basically the same now as well I joined with the exception of being even more of a pain to work with, thus the Citadels have come into their own so I'm not betting on the WD mechanism changing for the markets sake, I think CCP likes the chaos in Jita as it drives people away so the WD corps are doing CCP a favor.
Just my take on things. I have to hunt all over LoSec for stuff these days or make it myself.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
381
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Posted - 2016.10.25 19:08:48 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It's a three phase process.
In phase one, a shadowy cabal meets in Mittani's basement. After a requisite period of socialization - mostly consisting of braiding eachother's hair and eating icecream cake - the meeting is called to order.
Phase two is where the strategizing happens. Hand-painted Warhammer figurines are placed (strategically, of course) onto printed Dotlan maps. Someone's long-suffering significant other runs to 7-11 for cigarettes and Mountain Dew. The Evil Overlord guide is consulted to avoid obvious mistakes.
In phase three, the conspiracy is set into motion and the markets are officially under control.
There you have it.
Best use for old Gothic Fleet minnies I've heard in a long while!
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Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Sitting Bull Lakota
SBL Co
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Posted - 2016.10.26 10:58:17 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Anyone notice prices going up a bit much? The problem I think is people control the market through immense amounts of isk just throwing buy orders out right below where they want the prices, they get the items they hold the market and what can you do? Oh manufacture and sell some? Not a chance you're going to lower the prices with a small indy corp of yourself and 10 alts, you'll get what the markets are set at and make the manipulators even more money.
Someone's getting greedy is all. Maybe someone pissed at the gambling ban? Or is it the new players who "might" come causing the change? Here's a presentation about EvE's economy from fanfest. I thiught it was pretty neat. EvE and Economics.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
472
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Posted - 2016.10.26 11:57:45 -
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CCP Quant publishes an economic report every month. https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/monthly-economic-report-sept-2016/ If you scroll down to the economic indices chart you will see that the CPI (consumer price index) in New Eden has been falling for the past 2 years.
Some prices have experienced spikes - Citadels soaked up all the surplus PI; WWB temporarily cut the supply of moon material. These events are over and prices are returning to normal but we'll see a lot of new structures over the next year so PI in particular will probably remain elevated.
We've also experienced a significant increase in brokerage and transaction fees which has been passed on to consumers. This is 100% CCP - I see nothing that would require a player conspiracy to explain. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34320
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Posted - 2016.10.26 12:18:24 -
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I check eve-central twice a week ish, and the PLEX prices in particular. There was that dip around citadels but now they're climbing through 1.2Bil again. It amuses me because I remember rushing to sell PLEX when it hit 450 mil thinking it wouldn't go higher. My first post on the forums was also a GTC sale http://eve-search.com/thread/1385750-0/page/1#1
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Cap ITal
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2016.10.26 13:58:47 -
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they have put an inflation safe system in place already. It's called the palatine keepstar. When a certain level of isk is reached in-game some one will attempt to build this. And instantly remove a huge % of isk from the universe.
not to mention the line of faction super capitals that are entirely isk sinks both already in game and coming. The new re balance towards promoting super capital conflict via easier construction. And the not so far off alliance built gates that will presumably be fairly expensive.
the problem and thing people forget is Eve is a fake economy that at one end has money out of thin air. On the other end is the money sinks. We have rapid inflation atm because the rate of isk gain has increased for years. The high end isk sinks have not been added to until now. just a rebalnce nothing to worry about |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1934
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Posted - 2016.10.26 14:46:40 -
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Cap ITal wrote:... It's called the palatine keepstar. When a certain level of isk is reached in-game some one will attempt to build this. And instantly remove a huge % of isk from the universe.
... only if you need to buy BPC(BPO) from NPC shop. Else the only ISK sink here is market taxes. And it is not really 'huge %'.
Cap ITal wrote: not to mention the line of faction super capitals that are entirely isk sinks both already in game and coming.
again: these BPCs are cheap and the main part of these ships cost is materials. No 'huge' ISK sink here.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
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Posted - 2016.10.27 02:56:43 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:Prices always go up. Battleships cost 80 mil a few years ago. PLEX 400 mil. It all depends on the number of ISK grinders. On the Chinese server a PLEX cost ~3 billion a while ago (probalby more now). I wonder how many grinders we get with the F2P expansion. F2P games tend to have a lot of hardcore grinders. I wouldnt be surprised if a PLEX cost 3 billion in 1 year. But CCP would probably intervene if prices skyrocket. Grinding with an alpha will be extremely inefficient given the skill cap. The costs of battleships across time are not directly comparable given changes to mining, drone poo, mission loot drops, and so forth. As for PLEX, think of it this way, how much ISK could a player per day to afford a PLEX? If a PLEX costs 1.2 billion the player has to make 40 million/day. To the extent that there are enough players who can generate that kind of ISK on a daily basis PLEX prices will rise. A counter to that is that some players will see that high price as sufficient to use RL money to buy a PLEX and then sell it in game. That some players might use that ISK to engage in further ISK generating activities it can end up leading to additional demand for PLEX in game. Also, it is not appropriate to make a comparison to PLEX prices on the Chinese server to those on Tranquility. We do not know if that high price is due to higher demand than on Tranquility or lower supply or even some of both. They are two totally separate markets, so just because the price is 3 billion in Serenity does not mean we that it will have to be that high on Tranquility someday. I havent made any Alpha fits yet, but i think you can do a lot of PvE stuff with the Vexor Navy Issue, especially when you team up with a friend or two. You should also keep in mind that Alphas only need to grind 1 PLEX as Alpha, then they can upgrade to Omega and access T2 and all ships. They have unlimited time to grind their first PLEX. Once Omega they can do incursions or anomalies in 0.0 or any other activity that earns them 150+ mill/h. This means only ~10h of grinding for a PLEX. 10h grinding per month is NOTHING for hardcore F2P-players. They are used to grinding 10h PER DAY.
I think the demand for PLEX will skyrocket and supply will increase only slightly. Players who cant afford a 11Gé¼ subscription fee will not buy 20Gé¼ PLEXes. So PLEX costing 3 billion, like on the Chinese server, is definitly possible in 1-2 years. You cant make any good predictions though because it all depends on the success of the F2P expansion and CCPs actions when the market goes haywire. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.10.27 04:51:28 -
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Algarion Getz wrote: I havent made any Alpha fits yet, but i think you can do a lot of PvE stuff with the Vexor Navy Issue, especially when you team up with a friend or two. You should also keep in mind that Alphas only need to grind 1 PLEX as Alpha, then they can upgrade to Omega and access T2 and all ships. They have unlimited time to grind their first PLEX. Once Omega they can do incursions or anomalies in 0.0 or any other activity that earns them 150+ mill/h. This means only ~10h of grinding for a PLEX. 10h grinding per month is NOTHING for hardcore F2P-players. They are used to grinding 10h PER DAY.
I think the demand for PLEX will skyrocket and supply will increase only slightly. Players who cant afford a 11Gé¼ subscription fee will not buy 20Gé¼ PLEXes. So PLEX costing 3 billion, like on the Chinese server, is definitly possible in 1-2 years. You cant make any good predictions though because it all depends on the success of the F2P expansion and CCPs actions when the market goes haywire.
Grinding for even a single PLEX with a VNI even with buddies will be a chore. If a PLEX costs 1.2 billion over 30 days you'll have to grind out 40 million/day. Even at 10 million/hour that is 120 hours of grinding. Even at a crap job paying $5/hour after taxes that is $600 worth of leisure time. And recall that is grinding with friends, hence the 10 million/hour.
Now I don't think Alpha's will be grinding for PLEX unless Alpha account holders are masochists. At $5/hour after taxes at that crappy job 3 hours of work will allow them to go Omega.
The demand for PLEX will most likely not skyrocket. It might, but not because of Alpha clones.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.10.27 05:47:52 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Anyone notice prices going up a bit much? The problem I think is people control the market through immense amounts of isk just throwing buy orders out right below where they want the prices, they get the items they hold the market and what can you do? Oh manufacture and sell some? Not a chance you're going to lower the prices with a small indy corp of yourself and 10 alts, you'll get what the markets are set at and make the manipulators even more money.
Someone's getting greedy is all. Maybe someone pissed at the gambling ban? Or is it the new players who "might" come causing the change? Here's a presentation about EvE's economy from fanfest. I thiught it was pretty neat. EvE and Economics.
That is a very interesting video.
1. He references complexity...very cool. Complexity in economics and markets makes things very...interesting. Much more so than standard neoclassical economics would suggest.
2. The discussion of scarcity and getting a titan really gets at the notion of opportunity cost. Very good.
3. His comment about how Eve is "up here" in terms of its economy really highlights, to me, the importance of spontaneous order and emergence. You don't often get it in other video games, but it is huge in the RL economy.
4. Fracking is the cause of PLEX price spikes....
5. We can see the rise and fall coalitions..more spontaneous order and emergence.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Eugene Kerner
Tundragon Project.Mayhem.
1647
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Posted - 2016.10.27 11:27:06 -
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Damn, I thought that this was a thread about inflating dwarfs. nvm. left disappointed.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2558
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Posted - 2016.10.27 20:39:35 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Algarion Getz wrote: I havent made any Alpha fits yet, but i think you can do a lot of PvE stuff with the Vexor Navy Issue, especially when you team up with a friend or two. You should also keep in mind that Alphas only need to grind 1 PLEX as Alpha, then they can upgrade to Omega and access T2 and all ships. They have unlimited time to grind their first PLEX. Once Omega they can do incursions or anomalies in 0.0 or any other activity that earns them 150+ mill/h. This means only ~10h of grinding for a PLEX. 10h grinding per month is NOTHING for hardcore F2P-players. They are used to grinding 10h PER DAY.
I think the demand for PLEX will skyrocket and supply will increase only slightly. Players who cant afford a 11Gé¼ subscription fee will not buy 20Gé¼ PLEXes. So PLEX costing 3 billion, like on the Chinese server, is definitly possible in 1-2 years. You cant make any good predictions though because it all depends on the success of the F2P expansion and CCPs actions when the market goes haywire.
Grinding for even a single PLEX with a VNI even with buddies will be a chore. If a PLEX costs 1.2 billion over 30 days you'll have to grind out 40 million/day. Even at 10 million/hour that is 120 hours of grinding. Even at a crap job paying $5/hour after taxes that is $600 worth of leisure time. And recall that is grinding with friends, hence the 10 million/hour. Now I don't think Alpha's will be grinding for PLEX unless Alpha account holders are masochists. At $5/hour after taxes at that crappy job 3 hours of work will allow them to go Omega. The demand for PLEX will most likely not skyrocket. It might, but not because of Alpha clones.
I knew a guy who was plexing his account with single-box HS mining. Blew my mind. He basically mined, to plex his account, so he could mine, so he could plex his account, so he could mine....
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Knight Jay
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:36:58 -
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March rabbit wrote:Cap ITal wrote:... It's called the palatine keepstar. When a certain level of isk is reached in-game some one will attempt to build this. And instantly remove a huge % of isk from the universe.
... only if you need to buy BPC(BPO) from NPC shop. Else the only ISK sink here is market taxes. And it is not really 'huge %'. Cap ITal wrote: not to mention the line of faction super capitals that are entirely isk sinks both already in game and coming.
again: these BPCs are cheap and the main part of these ships cost is materials. No 'huge' ISK sink here.
Do you not understand inflation is not just isk in wallet right? it's everything in the economy. yes that takes minerals but those minerals are not being sold--- they are not being used on other things to be sold. they are not going into ships for ratting that generates more isk from nothing.
How do I explain it so you can understand. Faction capitals and keepstars offer little over non-faction ones so the extra build costs and isk invested in them is effectively in hiatus/can be considered lost unless reprocessed. (ship loss is EVE's biggest isk sink and counter to inflation. Not to mention the fact their base versions don't contribute huge amounts directly to generating isk from thin air in the first-place compared to say using the isk from a titan to build 60 marauders for mission runners instead.
So yes these being added are in fact the most recent addition to countering inflation. The second some one decides to invest their isk making into one of these it is effectively instantly out of the economic cycle.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5427
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Posted - 2016.10.28 19:21:05 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Algarion Getz wrote: I havent made any Alpha fits yet, but i think you can do a lot of PvE stuff with the Vexor Navy Issue, especially when you team up with a friend or two. You should also keep in mind that Alphas only need to grind 1 PLEX as Alpha, then they can upgrade to Omega and access T2 and all ships. They have unlimited time to grind their first PLEX. Once Omega they can do incursions or anomalies in 0.0 or any other activity that earns them 150+ mill/h. This means only ~10h of grinding for a PLEX. 10h grinding per month is NOTHING for hardcore F2P-players. They are used to grinding 10h PER DAY.
I think the demand for PLEX will skyrocket and supply will increase only slightly. Players who cant afford a 11Gé¼ subscription fee will not buy 20Gé¼ PLEXes. So PLEX costing 3 billion, like on the Chinese server, is definitly possible in 1-2 years. You cant make any good predictions though because it all depends on the success of the F2P expansion and CCPs actions when the market goes haywire.
Grinding for even a single PLEX with a VNI even with buddies will be a chore. If a PLEX costs 1.2 billion over 30 days you'll have to grind out 40 million/day. Even at 10 million/hour that is 120 hours of grinding. Even at a crap job paying $5/hour after taxes that is $600 worth of leisure time. And recall that is grinding with friends, hence the 10 million/hour. Now I don't think Alpha's will be grinding for PLEX unless Alpha account holders are masochists. At $5/hour after taxes at that crappy job 3 hours of work will allow them to go Omega. The demand for PLEX will most likely not skyrocket. It might, but not because of Alpha clones. I knew a guy who was plexing his account with single-box HS mining. Blew my mind. He basically mined, to plex his account, so he could mine, so he could plex his account, so he could mine....
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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