Retribution

+200 ArmorHP +15 CPU +1 Med-slot

Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret Cap Use per level 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret Optimal Range per level 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Vengeance

+10 CPU +1 High-slot (utility)

Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Rocket Damage per level -5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level 5% bonus to Capacitor Recharge Rate per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Harpy

+10 CPU +200 ShieldHP +1 Low-slot

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal range per level 5% bonus to Shield Resistances per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range per level 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Hawk

+10 CPU +1 Med-slot

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to missile velocity and 5% bonus to shield boost amount per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Enyo

+200 ArmorHP +10 CPU +1 Med-slot

Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range per level 7.5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Tracking Speed per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Ishkur

+1 Low-slot

Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage 10% bonus to drone hitpoints per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range per level 5m3 Drone Bay Capacity per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Jaguar

+1 Low-slot

Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level 7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Optimal Range per level 5% bonus to Small Projectile Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Wolf

+200 ArmorHP +10 CPU +1 Low-slot

Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level 10% bonus to Small Projectile Falloff Range per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

lol, the wolf is so awesome it doesnt get its last bonus, but still gets an additional low slot :-P

IKR! Give the Wolf a Tracking bonus Atleast to keep it on par with the Enyo somewhat. sheesh people, Balance!

It did apparently get a tracking bonus, the original post about the data dump was in error. The corrected version is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/nmv25/from_chaos_with_love_to_assault_frigates/

Give them all a bonus to afterburners and they will be lovely... Seriously no kidding.
(oh and make MWD penalties a worse at the same time)

the role of AF's has always been to take down "bigger stuff". this role has not been realized, but thats what it is.

I made a reference to r3tards...

What agility advantage? How much does that factor into frigate engagements? You know, with-in warp scrambler range with a Crusader, Claw, and Taranis. Provided said ships only have a micro-warp drive fitted. How long do you think they would last under assault frigate damage.

Signature bonus. How has that helped Interceptors in the current environment? Having to engage ships increasingly using Tracking enhancers will only lead to loss mail. For any frigate even ones with useless bonuses to signature radius.

Nice! 6,000 meters more compared to a standard warp disruptor. I almost never see tackling frigates any more. Most likely, because it's a waste of time to fly them currently.

Now, I believe interceptors have been a joke ever since the changes to pirate faction and navy faction frigates. However, their signature bonus, while useless in the current environment is pretty much all that these frigates have. Their velocity does not mean much if they have to come under warp scrambler range, with regards to the Crusader, Taranis, and Claw. Most interceptors with bonuses to warp disruption range cannot apply damage from that range and do not survive long enough to matter currently (with one exception, which takes a little longer to explode).

Assault frigates are superior to Interceptors when engaging another frigate or any other ship class. Their is a limit to useful velocity of ships. I don't need a frigate going 3,000m/sec for the most part. How does that help you when you need to commit to apply damage and all frigates are superior in terms of velocity to every other class of ship. With these changes, you will be able to use assault frigates with better tank and damage. Making them much better for tackling ships using tracking enhancers. You know, Jaguars and Ishkur with 15,000 effective hit-points and bonuses to signature radius.

This will be the first and only time I'll ever respond to you, because this was a serious waste of time. Also, do not read my post. You're not allowed and I don't want you to learn something...

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

Also, if you cannot put together a medium pulse laser retribution with a warp disruptor, micro-warp drive and armour repair. You're terrible @ spaceships. However, I believe you are trying to put together a close range Retribution, which would be easier to set-up. Also if it was someone's intention to so. You would never use medium pulse lasers because of tracking.

Also, I already touched on the Enyo in-game when I was speaking to some peeps about these changes today. I would prefer the rail-Enyo. Otherwise, to many other assault frigates are just better close range...


-proxyyyy

i take it you didnt see the ab bonus' that were on sisi last time. those were about as modest as could be made and they still turned out overpowered and ridiculous. your not going to get the ab bonus so just stop saying it =P

besides, none of these can do ceptor speeds

Throwing in the additional comments, given that it is internal, I'm just putting out thoughts, rather than criticising CCP.

I think the problem is that you can't buff AF speed without pushing the redundancy problem to the interceptors. Give the AFs too much speed and their DPS and tank outweighs the benefits of using an interceptor. Likewise, Inty's are used now largely only for their speed. The role bonus to AFs would negate what INTY's essentially have to train level IV interceptors to get.

Given this, a reason to fly Interceptors would need to be created, perhaps give them a role bonus to interdiction maneuvers? Just a thought.

Alternatively, if we are thinking that destroyers are Battle Cruisers, and T2 frigs are T2 Cruisers, how do we define the differences between battlecruisers and HACs? Generally, hacs are more agile, and do potentially more dps, or have other nich aspects.

Likewise, should we see AF's tank/gank buffed a bit to match the same idea?

I say lets test them before we all scream "the sky is falling".

OK.

Hahahaha. Those preliminary changes would make them so OP it isnt even funny. T1 fit AFs would dwarf officer fit pirate frigs for Goddess sake .. extra slots AND more bonuses ....

No wonder CCP has had issues sorting them if they start at the utmost extreme and then whittle away on them .. waste of time.

PS: Drool at prospect of Retribution with not only the original god-range but with god-tracking and 2nd mid .. trolololol.

Anyway, from what I've read. The Bonuses and changes to the Enyo, Hawk and Retribution are not substantial. Atleast compared to the other assault frigates.

Bleh forums ate my original response.

Are you insane? Then Enyo and Retribution are the two biggest winners in this list. The wolf got screwed with yet another low (guess a Nano can go there) and lets see another spot to put a web on a shield rocket ship? that doesn't sound "not substantial" to me.

Read some of the things I've posted else where in the forums if you're bored and think It's even worth your time.

AB bonus was a bad idea and will not happen again. MWD bloom reduction makes sense. more dps and tank makes sense.

2/10, you're a terrible troll.

AB bonus is the only one that makes sense. Using an AB on an assault ship will always be preferable because the fitting requirements for a MWD are too high. Plus even with a bloom reduction, a MWD will give any shield tankers a sig the size of a cruiser.

A boost to AB is a much better idea, and complements (without nullifying) the recent buff to destroyers.

Added mass affects agility even when not boosting

2/10, you're a terrible troll.

AB bonus is the only one that makes sense. Using an AB on an assault ship will always be preferable because the fitting requirements for a MWD are too high. Plus even with a bloom reduction, a MWD will give any shield tankers a sig the size of a cruiser.

A boost to AB is a much better idea, and complements (without nullifying) the recent buff to destroyers.

blanket AB bonus would make the bad AF's still bad and the good AF's too good. this is why the proposal was shot down even before it left the hangar.

and youre a douchebag, like most of your brethren from Test Alliance. you never have anything useful to contribute because most of you are missing half a brain.

blanket AB bonus would make the bad AF's still bad and the good AF's too good. this is why the proposal was shot down even before it left the hangar.


sig bloom isn't the best bonus you can put there and in all honesty, you can't bring AF's into a workable state without overlapping a bit on other ship's roles.

no, it doesn't step on the inties because a) AF's are still fatter and slower and b) to be as good tacklers as the tackle inties you need to cram a RF/domi disruptor there.





on the specifics, wolf could use a bit more cpu, and the retri could have that 5th high converted into a 5th turret (+ fittings to accommodate this of course. would be good to see the ship using the one gun that no other frigate can use and still have enough fitting space for stuff)