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Oprahh
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:56:00 -
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I just upgraded from an Osprey to a Retriever. I used to mine in 0.5 space without any trouble, but now rats pose a serious threat to my ship. Can anyone tell me what skills I should learn so that I can easily kill the rats? Also, can anyone tell me what skills I need in order to equip an MLU unit?
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Emylissan
Gallente Wolf Pack Samurai
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Emylissan on 27/03/2007 01:02:22 The only defense for a retriever is another allied ship or drones so i suggest get best at drone skills and fill up your drone bay. The major drone skill at least up to level 4, level 3 to get able for the combat drone skill and level 4 for the defence drone skill. And than the scout drone operation skill to improve the action range of your drones.
Oh and congratulation to your new ship, the retriever is a nice ship, got my own 2 days ago ;)
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:12:00 -
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1. Don't kill rats, fit some modules to tank them. 2. Move up to higher security rating where said tanking is easier.
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Oprahh
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:25:00 -
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Thanks for the replies.
There's nothing I can do to mine in 0.5 space? I have a nice system with tons of asteroids and very few miners. I'd rather not give it up.
Do you think that training for 5 drones would do the trick? In my Osprey, I used to have 3 hobgoblins kill any rats that would attack me, but now I can't do that, because I can't fit a medium shield booster.
I was thinking of going back to my Osprey until I can get my drone skills up.
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar ORKS
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:01:00 -
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Yeah,
At least to start with using an osprey in 0.5 is wise. I used to use a retriever in 0.5 but I had the skills to use 5 tech II light drones with level 3 in drone interfacing. That meant that the 5 drones were fast enough to kill 3 good rat frigates before my shields were depleted completely.
The only tank I had on the retriever was a civ shield booster, and it's main job was to fix up the shield once the rats had died.
Other than that there is not much room on a retriever to fit a tank, especially if you fit a mining laser upgrade and Co-pro in the lows to maximize ore yield.
Mik
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Eschiava Q
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:04:00 -
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My drone skills aren't that high, but talking to someone with great drone skills, she still was not able to survive all threats in a .5 system. .6, yes, but she was still training to get more skills for .5
Not sure, but it may even take t2 drones to be able to handle .5 all the time.
Would you consider a nice .6 system instead?
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:49:00 -
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Stick with the Osprey.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:50:00 -
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Train drones to 5, interfacing to what you can stand, and use light drones.
Your survivability depends on your skills with drones in a retriever.
As for the Mining Laser Upgrade, you need mining upgrades skill to use them.
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William McCracken
Gallente The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:57:00 -
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I've mined in my retriever as low as .4 space. Yes solo, so it can be done.
Most important to remember is it's more important to survive than to maximize your yield.
My fitting is:
2x strip miner I's 1x survey scanner (you'll need Electronics 5 for this to be online all the time) 1x200mm rolled tungsten plate 1xsmall vestement armor repper 5x light drones
I have Drones V, and Drone Interfacing 3, and my drones have handled even a double cruiser spawn, although that required shutting down mining to handle the repping.
William McC racken
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.03.27 04:03:00 -
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Normally, solo-mining in a retriever would require a buddy to watch over you in highsec (0.5), or acceptable drone skills (T2 lights are the norm).
Mining in lowsec is asking for trouble, so be prepared to have at least 2-4 watching your back. Would make more sense to have a pack of miners guarded by these 2-4.
Mining in 0.0 works the same as lowsec, only with bigger and badder rats. -
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.27 04:45:00 -
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I mine in 0.5 all the time using Retrievers, Covetors, Mackinaws.
The only defense I use or need are 5 T2 drones. They will kill any 0.5 rats long before they can become a problem.
Work on your drone skills, they are a solo miner's very best friend.
Do not, however, mine in lower than 0.5 space - 5 T2 drones will still handle the rats down there but they will *not* be adequate defense against pirates.
FP
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William McCracken
Gallente The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.27 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Filthy Pierre
Work on your drone skills, they are a solo miner's very best friend.
Do not, however, mine in lower than 0.5 space - 5 T2 drones will still handle the rats down there but they will *not* be adequate defense against pirates.
FP
This is 100% correct. I can handle the .4 rats, but pirates are another problem entirely, and with them your best defense is someone large and threatening looking over you. William McC racken
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Ezram Iena
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Posted - 2007.03.27 08:03:00 -
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Good points above - get your drone skills up to speed (drone interfacing III + scout drone operation V for T2 light drones), a bit of tanking (armor is probably the easiest in a retriever, not 100% sure on this) and you're fine. And I don't think it is even possible to fit a MLU on a retriever - at least I can't - and even if you could you need the slots for the tank.
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Oprahh
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Posted - 2007.03.27 13:18:00 -
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Thx again for the replies. I'll work on getting my drone skills up.
I was surprised that my Retriever was so much more fragile than my Osprey. In my Osprey, I rarely had to turn my mining lasers off when I'd get attacked. In my retriever, I almost lost my ship the first time I got attacked lol.
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William McCracken
Gallente The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.27 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Oprahh Thx again for the replies. I'll work on getting my drone skills up.
I was surprised that my Retriever was so much more fragile than my Osprey. In my Osprey, I rarely had to turn my mining lasers off when I'd get attacked. In my retriever, I almost lost my ship the first time I got attacked lol.
A mining barge is no cruiser. Compare:
Retriever: Shields 391 Armor 625 Osprey: Shields 1173 Armor 976
So your Osprey has roughly 3 times the shields and 50% more armor than the barge.
A MLU can be fit on a Retriever, but it requires a coprocessor and if you want something in that mid slot it will require Electronics V.
FWIW, the t2 drones are not required, but certainly would be a welcome addition.
William McC racken
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Stefx
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Posted - 2007.03.27 16:13:00 -
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one expensive option is to mine in a battleship such as the Dominix. It has plenty of slots for tanking, plenty of drone bay capacity to have mining drones, light scouts and medium scouts.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.27 23:36:00 -
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I am truly perplexed by the replyes.
I have mined omber in 0.5 for ages in a retriever with T1 drones, at first 2 medium 1 light when I had the skills for only 3 drones, later with 5 light (choose the best ones for the rats you get in the belt, but usually hobgoblins work well).
You can put a civilian shield boster and activate it forever, and until you can use a MLU, you can put a plate and a cargo expander or armor repairer.
My record so far has been leaving the keyboard for an extended period for RL things and returning to find 16 cans (was before the wrecks) from rats killed by my drones. My armor had 70% damage, but I was away for more than half a hour, so I can attest you can mine in a retriever in 0.5 even with moderate drone skills (BTW, it was before the armor/shield buff, so now it is even easyer).
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Baka Lakadaka
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Posted - 2007.03.27 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 27/03/2007 23:49:20 Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 27/03/2007 23:49:03 My new retreiver comes online tonight (Astrogeology IV was at 90% this morning)- all these replies are great.
I'll be adding some additional drone skills to my plan to get those T2s out and about. I'm pretty good with the T1 drones in my cruiser, but the retriever doesn't have much of a tank in comparison, so I'll be a little tentative until the T2s are up and running.
Edit: fixed typos.
Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never let your bank balance sink below your skill points. |
Dethis
Caldari Vice Royals
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Posted - 2007.03.28 02:01:00 -
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Fit a sensor booster in the mid and you can kill rats before they can even reach you.
I mine on my alt in a retriever in 0.5 only warp out if i don't notice it while running to accounts -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.28 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Filthy Pierre on 28/03/2007 05:12:06 Venkul, no need for perplexity.
Your approach represents the lower SP approach to the problem and works just fine.
The T2 drone (with excellent support skills built up for them) represents other folks' approach.
I myself don't fit armor or reppers on my mining ships - I need the MLUs and other industrially oriented fittings. I can do that only because the T2 medium drones do a truly excellent job of killing any combination of 0.5 NPC rats long before my shields take even a single hit.
With T1 drones you may find some damage is taken (as you do, indeed, say) and that fittings have to be adjusted accordingly.
Same objective (kill rats, minimize damage) just that different tools offer different options.
One thing I do that many don't is to not bother with mining drones. They're not hugely efficient, they're very fragile *and* they have to be swapped around if rats show up. That can lead to poor defense response times. Just get a good flock of scout (or medium) drones, let them out and keep them out - they hit rats auitomatically way before there's any risk to you.
(Oh, side thought - do NOT mine AFK with defense drones out. You were lucky - it would have taken just one ore thief flipping your can for your drones to have started to automatically attack him. If the ore thief was in a well fitted combat ship you'd have come back to find yourself sitting up in your medical clone's station!)
FP
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.28 05:30:00 -
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Even without the other player aspect, don't go AFK (or alternative methods of not paying attention such as my story). I was mining in a belt with drones out and fell asleep. Woke up after DT began. Next morning I logged in, with 17% structure remaining on my Retriever. Couldn't tell you if DT saved my ship by seconds or by minutes. The flame was impressive, though.
I run mining drones if someone else in the mining op is providing rat protection, otherwise I fit light scout drones and an armor repper.
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Losmandy
VENOM72 Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.28 06:26:00 -
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Just train for 5 drones, and you will be fine.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.28 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Filthy Pierre Edited by: Filthy Pierre on 28/03/2007 05:12:06 Venkul, no need for perplexity.
Your approach represents the lower SP approach to the problem and works just fine.
The T2 drone (with excellent support skills built up for them) represents other folks' approach.
I myself don't fit armor or reppers on my mining ships - I need the MLUs and other industrially oriented fittings. I can do that only because the T2 medium drones do a truly excellent job of killing any combination of 0.5 NPC rats long before my shields take even a single hit.
With T1 drones you may find some damage is taken (as you do, indeed, say) and that fittings have to be adjusted accordingly.
Same objective (kill rats, minimize damage) just that different tools offer different options.
One thing I do that many don't is to not bother with mining drones. They're not hugely efficient, they're very fragile *and* they have to be swapped around if rats show up. That can lead to poor defense response times. Just get a good flock of scout (or medium) drones, let them out and keep them out - they hit rats auitomatically way before there's any risk to you.
(Oh, side thought - do NOT mine AFK with defense drones out. You were lucky - it would have taken just one ore thief flipping your can for your drones to have started to automatically attack him. If the ore thief was in a well fitted combat ship you'd have come back to find yourself sitting up in your medical clone's station!)
FP
1) Was before learning of the esistence of mining upgrades 2) mining omber in a mission, little chance of can flipping; 3) drones don't attack automaticalliy after can flipping; 4) was a call of nature with other things following up, so the 5 minutes become 40 minutes or so .
The most important thing is 3) tested it 2 or 3 times (if you avoid busy system can flipping is rare enough), drones don't automatically attack if you have kill rights, it is only in reply to an active aggression move (firing on you or the can). With the drones out it is easy to mine while reading the forum or even a book.
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Baka Lakadaka
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Posted - 2007.03.28 22:59:00 -
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Wow - Took the Retriever out in 0.9 space last night for it's first run.
No rats - just a pure mining run to see how she runs. Filled the cargo bay in well under 5 mins with just 2 strip miners and ran back to the station with a full load. Full cycle of about 6 minutes then back to do it again. Jetcanning will seriously improve this throughput.
I'm nowhere near optimised yet, but the early results are good.
Tonight's test will be 0.8->0.5 space with 5 hobgoblins loaded and a shield booster on board, just to see how she fares with the rats. Cheers Baka ______________________ Have a Skill in training every second of every day and never let your bank balance sink below your skill points. |
Filthy Pierre
Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.29 03:13:00 -
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Venk, that's interesting - I'll have to get a buddy help me test that and verify that drones *don't* attack you if they're already out and you become criminally flagged to their owner.
Lord knows they go after everything else...
FP
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Monde Thor
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:13:00 -
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I have mined in 0.6 down to 0.1 space in a Retriever and have never had problems in Hi Sec. A few drones out and as soon as the rats arrive lock then and send the drones in. A common mistake that I hae seen is people letting the drones choose the target.
Send all the drones at the same target so that you take it down faster and therefore you take less damage.
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HAL 9000
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:47:00 -
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I have mined in 0.6 with T1 light and medium drones in a Retriever with no trouble. As the previous poster says, I order the drones to attack one target at a time, which hastens their demise. :)
One question, though: how are people mining AFK for more than 3 minutes? My cargo bay fills up quickly, and I have to jettison to my can to keep mining.
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