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QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:21:00 -
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One again trying to cover it all up, sweep it under the carpet. This will not go away, no matter how hard you guys try. Corruption is everyone in this game, and it sickens me.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:22:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Adam C on 29/03/2007 10:20:05 tragic stuff
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qrac
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:23:00 -
[153]
Instead of lecturing your player base you should be lecturing your employees. Don't you have any policies they should follow?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:24:00 -
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Again I must state my opinion because it seems so reasonable to me and I think it might solve lots of problems.
I have no problem with devs playing the game, they need to know how it works, where it is bad and what could be made better. Game experience is very helpful in that. Furthermore it is good that they play! Never trust a cook who doesn't eat his own food!!
So why is it necessary that once a dev/GM/CCP employee got his char revealed this char needs to be removed?
Just let everyone know who plays whom and most of the problems are solved! It would of course add some in game problems like becomming prime targets or something like this in the first time, but when everyone got used zo this I think the gameflow will be normal like ever.
Allow the GM/dev/employee to keep their char and reveal their names and all is fine I think. With one simple action all the accusations and witch hunts would stop once and for all and everyone could concentrate on the important/fun stuff again instead of dealing with ugly things.
Did I say that I think this would be a good solution?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 10:59:00 -
[155]
Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/03/2007 10:57:52 Ah the poor attempts of desperation from the ignored boy looking to find something, anything that will fill the void now he can't mess about with his snigg buddies.
"Hey look, I found a ccp ip address and therefore must reveal it to my buddies to make epeen extend. It doesn't matter anymore that I don't have anything other than "this dude is a dev" but no-one is noticing yet so I'll just keep doing this till finally the eve public realises that i'm hassling innocent ccp members in some vain attempt to get noticed, then i'll just insult a bunch of those same peeps and close the site down pretending I have had a change of heart."
Quite ironic the amount of time he spent trying to get me banned or kicking out of bob really.
Much <3 to those who are rubbing the sleep from their eyes and realising the insignificant pettiness of this dude.
Also, I know peeps weren't interested in bob's warnings back when the site was created but please, if you are going to register on that site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
Don't think that it won't be used to hunt for devs or information in your alliance next even if you think that they are "on your side".
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Crimsonjade
BLACK DRAGONS CORPERATION Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:21:00 -
[156]
jeeze Devs warn people about 3rd party hacks and the player base takes off with personal attacks and slander. got to love the maturity shown. dont like the way they do things suck it up and close your account.
afk going to the store for a ton of cheese because someone here has the whine
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Franga
Caldari NQX Logistics
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zhaine I can't be bothered with all of the arguments in this thread, the whole thing just saddens, disheartens and angers me to the point where I want to scream and scream and scream in people's stupid faces until they see the sense which incredibly evades them.
Anyone defending that bastard. . . Eugh. . . You scum.
If you don't like or trust CCP anymore, why are you here and paying them money?
Didn't you say you were leaving? Like about 3 months ago? _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now. |
OozoO
Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:38:00 -
[158]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Don't think that it won't be used to hunt for devs or information in your alliance next even if you think that they are "on your side".
there is no devs in d2
btw. getting sick of petitioning to mods@ccpgames all cases of libel in this thread - watch your words, if you think K hacks your computer because you are registered on his forums you should have at least some sort of evidence. --------------
Sig removed as it is not eve related. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Gibmundur
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.29 11:58:00 -
[159]
What evidence does the almighty ccp have that kugu is a hacker?, is it enough that your e-buddy's in your e-buddy alliances say so? I know its hard for the devs to have to always make new characters and rejoin bob and there buddy's. Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg |
Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:13:00 -
[160]
2 things I want to say.
1. Spying is a legit action in EVE, forums and teamspeaks get breached all the time because of CCP's lax view on spying. Does it really matter if it happens through a guessed password or an alt joining a corp? The only difference in this case is instead of someone's alliance getting burned it's CCP that's feeling the heat.
2. ALL the characters who've been outed by this 'certain person' were actually outed a long time ago by members of a 'certain alliance' on their boards. The characters should have been removed from the game the second anyone found out about their true identity, because knowledge of who's a dev spreads like wildfire. It's not like he gets this information from CCP's database or something. He gets it from private forums, which means the people on those private forums knew about the real identity of those characters long before this 'certain person' came along.
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notabene
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:15:00 -
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It must be a fairly nice situation for CCP with so many people complaining. It is a given fact that customer services at any company do not fear the people that complain (because they usually come back to buy something), but they do fear the people who don't complain, because they usally stop buying stuff from the company.
To be honest, if I had such a hatered toward a company as some people in here apparently do, I would long since have stopped playing!
Happy complaining
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:19:00 -
[162]
All that Mr K appears to be doing, is making public information that:
A) anyone who understands how the internet works, could find out (IP logging, social engineering, a brain) B) has been posted on corporation forums by CCP employees.
Now, even if the majority is only half-truth, CCP and Arkanon have stated they wish to be completely transparent to us.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: notabene It must be a fairly nice situation for CCP with so many people complaining. It is a given fact that customer services at any company do not fear the people that complain (because they usually come back to buy something), but they do fear the people who don't complain, because they usally stop buying stuff from the company.
To be honest, if I had such a hatered toward a company as some people in here apparently do, I would long since have stopped playing!
Happy complaining
I fear in this case its more of a case of: nothing better out there......yet. Out of all the MMOs currently in existence, none approach the gamestyle of EVE atm with its unique impact of PvP in the game. Once that changes (Darkfall comes to mind if its ever released, but maybe others as well), I think you will see quite a few people quitting. SWG probably also thought they were invincible, look where that attitude got them. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.29 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Franga
Originally by: Zhaine I can't be bothered with all of the arguments in this thread, the whole thing just saddens, disheartens and angers me to the point where I want to scream and scream and scream in people's stupid faces until they see the sense which incredibly evades them.
Anyone defending that bastard. . . Eugh. . . You scum.
If you don't like or trust CCP anymore, why are you here and paying them money?
Didn't you say you were leaving? Like about 3 months ago?
He said he was taking a break, and a few weeks later he came back, nothing controversial about that. -----
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Also, I know peeps weren't interested in bob's warnings back when the site was created but please, if you are going to register on that site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
Only a fool would do either of these things. However, it is worth pointing out that Kugutsumen never hacked anybody's eve account. Never logged in peoples eve accounts, and certainly never stole isk from people's eve accounts. I just wanted to clear that up because I know Digitalcommunist was doing his best to spread information about kug which simply was not true, and your post was insinuating the same thing.
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Ian Novarider
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ian Novarider on 29/03/2007 13:15:03 >>>> To be honest, if I had such a hatered toward a company as some people in here apparently do, I would long since have stopped playing! >>>>
Its not hatred. People post here because they still care. Because they like EVE and want it to be the best game on the market. As you said ... when people stop caring / start resignating then this is the most dangerous thing that can happen to a MMORPG corporation.
Players will just pack up and leave and play another game. With CCP losing money. If what I have seen in my circle of in game friends is any indication, CCP already HAS lost quite a bit of money from cancelled secondary and tertiary accounts (and a few primary ones too) .. all because of the things that happened recently and how CCP has handled the situation. Due to long term payment plans, this effect will be felt for a few months more, when 6 and 12 month payment schemes are running out without renewal.
One sees people argueing here passionately. Trying to convince CCP that they have not done enough yet. Trying to change things for the better.
When threads like these start going silent, having minimal response from the community .... then you know your game is dying. If you want an example for that ... check out Star Wars Galaxies, which has fallen deep from their once proud 300 k subscribers, wasting one of the most well known intellectual properties.
Have fun
Ian
Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgar og Illmenni
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:23:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 29/03/2007 13:24:22 edit:nvm
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Casper Ozymandias
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 29/03/2007 12:29:47 Ah the poor attempts of desperation from the ignored boy looking to find something, anything that will fill the void now he can't mess about with his snigg buddies.
"Hey look, I found a ccp ip address and therefore must reveal it to my buddies to make epeen extend. It doesn't matter anymore that I don't have anything other than "this dude is a dev" but no-one is noticing yet so I'll just keep doing this till finally the eve public realises that i'm hassling innocent ccp members in some vain attempt to get noticed, then i'll just insult a bunch of those same peeps and close the site down pretending I have had a change of heart."
Quite ironic the amount of time he spent trying to get me banned or kicking out of bob really.
Much <3 to those who are rubbing the sleep from their eyes and realising the insignificant pettiness of this dude.
Also, I know peeps weren't interested in bob's warnings back when the site was created but please, if you are going to register on that site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
Don't think that it couldn't be used to hunt for devs or information in your alliance next even if you think that they are "on your side".
dbp
Even as a vilified hacker
i'm sure he's still infinitely
more powerful and wealthier
than you outside of this game
and that just burns you, doesn't it?
dpb
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: DB Preacher Also, I know peeps weren't interested in bob's warnings back when the site was created but please, if you are going to register on that site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
Only a fool would do either of these things. However, it is worth pointing out that Kugutsumen never hacked anybody's eve account. Never logged in peoples eve accounts, and certainly never stole isk from people's eve accounts. I just wanted to clear that up because I know Digitalcommunist was doing his best to spread information about kug which simply was not true, and your post was insinuating the same thing.
FALSE.
My post was not insinuating anything of the sort. Your mate says he has never hacked anybody's eve account, I believe him. I also read what he did admit to and I believe that too and if peeps like oozoo want to sign up then I'm not saying they shouldn't.
I also couldn't careless what you think digi states, I'm confident in my own abilities not to be a baa baa sheep and read information for what it is (unlike a massive portion of the peeps crying on here unfortunately).
I'll state it again though just incase you were in any confusion about what I wrote.
If you are going to register on any site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Esurnir
Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:46:00 -
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Most of the player answering this thread disgust me. ----
Quote: Thou shall pew pew.
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Ian Novarider
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.03.29 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
If you are going to register on any site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
dbp
Unless you have the spine to be held accountable for what you say or do. Because you mean it, in game or on a forum. Because you have no need to spin doctor your opinion so it fits the audience or the occasion. Because you have no need for an army of alternative identities to spread your opinion across the virtual multiverse.
Just make sure that you have some variability in your passwords and usernames (e.g. seperate sets for your EVE account(s), forum account and mail accounts) so you maximize security. Run firewalls, run viruscheckers, backup your data regularily, download security upgrades to your operating system.
Have fun
Ian
Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
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Crimsonjade
BLACK DRAGONS CORPERATION Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.03.29 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Crimsonjade on 29/03/2007 15:49:01
Originally by: Ian Novarider
Originally by: DB Preacher
If you are going to register on any site, make sure you don't do it with anything that can be linked to your eve account nor your oog alliance forum account.
dbp
Unless you have the spine to be held accountable for what you say or do. Because you mean it, in game or on a forum. Because you have no need to spin doctor your opinion so it fits the audience or the occasion. Because you have no need for an army of alternative identities to spread your opinion across the virtual multiverse.
Just make sure that you have some variability in your passwords and usernames (e.g. seperate sets for your EVE account(s), forum account and mail accounts) so you maximize security. Run firewalls, run viruscheckers, backup your data regularily, download security upgrades to your operating system.
Have fun
Ian
you sir truly need to GET OVER what personal problem you have with dbp. personal attacks like that are uncalled for and pretty childish tbh. this kinda of crap should be kept off of dev info threads and kept in game. if ya dont like him war dec him. or send him an eve mail
this is for discussion about 3rd party site security and a disgruntled ex eve player with a vendetta.
eidt because i cant spell for **** :)
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Crimsonjade Edited by: Crimsonjade on 29/03/2007 15:49:01
Originally by: Ian Novarider
Originally by: DB Preacher
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bla. bla.
you sir truly need to GET OVER what personal problem you have with dbp. personal attacks like that are uncalled for and pretty childish tbh. this kinda of crap should be kept off of dev info threads and kept in game. if ya dont like him war dec him. or send him an eve mail
this is for discussion about 3rd party site security and a disgruntled ex eve player with a vendetta.
eidt because i cant spell for **** :)
There is one site that isn't a 3rd party site that kerion should worry more about. If kerion was really worried about customer computer security this forums would have been shut down a long time ago. Anyone remember the trojans and keyloggers that people were getting from this site. I KNOW i am a lot safer on kugu's site than i am here. Is there really a reason that each page continues to load for about 5 minutes after the page is totally complete. Borked site or are ccp loading keyloggers or uneeded tracking cookies on my pc? ENGAGE TINFOIL -
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:30:00 -
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All you tinfoil-wearing morons just shut up already or do you REALLY hate the game YOU idiots played for so long to die when it's not NEARLY as ****** up as you half witted *******s pretend it is? Just shut up already...
Gods that felt good... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Borasao
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Posted - 2007.03.29 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka IP Logs, Private communication, Etc. It all boils down to CCP Let's their Employees Play the game in there Off time. Time that they cannot control, No Policies they have can stop any Employee from passing Juicy Bits back and forth on his Personal Account.
Do I feel Bad a CCP Employee lost his Character? No Do I feel Bad that CCP Created the very problem they now have with a "vendetta"? NO Do I feel Bad that they created a game where Meta gaming is not only allowed but Encouraged? NO Meta Gaming is now aimed squarely at CCP Employees, Corps and alliances have put up with this issue over the years and have been told its part of the game. CCP is now reaping what it has sown in it's game.
Inept GMing, Inept Public Relations, Horrible documentation, Patch Notes missing vast amount of Fixes and changes, Lost focus, and a In Game culture that is a Twisted parody of Orwellian Ideals.
Welcome to EVE CCP your Baby is all grown up now
The Problem CCP has is it is now the target instead of the installed player base.
And the Small violin plays on
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Since metagaming is promoted as a valid tactic, what better way to end the threat of a Titan than to out the pilot of said Titan if he/she is a dev? No more Titan pilot = no more Titan until the alliance can train up another. Perfectly valid metagaming tactics, IMO. Reaping what they sow ++
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.03.29 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Aran
Companies like Blizzard and SOE have as much transperancy as a brick wall. They treat thier customers far worse than CCP could ever do and yet they still hold onto a huge share of the online gaming industry.
I have found Blizzard's customer service excellent, every time I have needed to post on their technical support forums I've had helpful and polite answers in my own language (German) within a few hours.
Also, as far as developer misconduct is concerned, it isn't a problem with WoW, there is no detrimental effect on other players there.
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BubbaZanetti
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Posted - 2007.03.29 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: BubbaZanetti on 29/03/2007 19:58:07
Originally by: DB Preacher "...hassling innocent ccp members in some vain attempt to get noticed."
Hassling innocent CCP members is more evil than permanently banning an innocent whistle blower?
Originally by: DB Preacher Quite ironic the amount of time he spent trying to get me banned or kicking out of bob really.
Yeah, it's funny how some people are immune from being punished for their actions, isn't it.
Originally by: DB Preacher Much <3 to those who are rubbing the sleep from their eyes and realising the insignificant pettiness of this dude.
Edit: I was almost to the end of your post before I realized I had vomitted the half digested remnants of lunch all over my hands and keyboard.
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Nytemaster
Mega-Deth Phoenix Supremacy
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Posted - 2007.03.29 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nytemaster on 29/03/2007 21:05:13
Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 29/03/2007 02:56:19 Edited by: Evelgrivion on 29/03/2007 02:54:13 Edited by: Evelgrivion on 29/03/2007 02:21:18
Originally by: Nytemaster Edited by: Nytemaster on 29/03/2007 02:08:09 This whole dev blog just doesn't make any sense and questions CCP more. What does this have to do with game development at this point and why is it a BLOG? First, the warnings given are worthy of a news item, not a dev blog. Second, the tone of the dev blog speaks for itself on how this situation is felt by them personally at CCP. The culprit they speak of is not affecting the game. The Dev's who are cheating are so don't hang this on the messenger.
What's so damn important about these characters is what I want to know? I could care less who it is he exposes as long as they are not abusing their position. If they have to change characters, then that's just what they have to do, what's the problem?
Update: Also wanted to say sorry to The Enslaver for having to remove his character from a game I know he enjoyed. I know personally you would not have wanted to quit your corp and you seemed like a decent guy when I was there. However, I feel you guys already quit your corp when you decide to join the staff and risk being exposed. Being an alliance leader and a dev member is the same as commanding two fighting armies, you are betraying one in some manner, and probably both if you really want to get deep.
This post is not justified. The developer in question did nothing wrong. He explained some game mechanics to the corp mates on the corporate forums because it was a convenient place to try to be helpful. This isn't super secret information - in fact, anyone is capable of making an effort to figure them out - or ask the Devs themselves how it works.
Kugutsumen went after him because he thought he was t20. Kuguts was wrong, and now I am out one friend to talk to; all because Kugutsumen compromised our forums. Thats why this blog exists. Its a cautionary tail about what can happen if information falls into the wrong hands.
I'm so very tired of people not realizing this, and instead finding opporunity to complain that they think t20 deserves to be fired. Fine. We Get it. You're angry. Just shut up about it already, will you? There is a larger, quieter group of us out there who really don't care about your complaints anymore.
I never stated he did anything wrong now did I? I said I was sorry to see him go and that I knew him from being in his corp awhile back. So you sir, need to understand what is being said before you open your mouth. He joined the staff and thus took the risk of being exposed. GMs take that risk, just as a spy risks getting caught. To expect 100% concealment is ridiculous.
If you are going to quote my post, considering rebuking what is in it first.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:46:00 -
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Can we just get a dev blog about some game stuff that we're actually interested in? Please? Some info about the next patch would be awesome. Thanks in advance.
Because I said so...
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Uinen
Amarr Backup Squad
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Posted - 2007.03.29 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Sith Your lecturing us about security ?
Clean up your own house and get your proven to be non-trust worthy devs out of the game alliances before you lecture your player base like they are children ...
9+/10 for that, well said!
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