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Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:13:00 - [1] I decided to get a full rack of neutrons and its all good exept for a slight problem. my low slots really need a tweak. i came up with several setups : Large Rep II kinetic hard II thermic hard II explosive hard II Magstab II 1600 rolled tungsten plate. stats: 60 em res (18850) armor. 59.5 exp res 70.75 kin res 70.75 therm res if i swap the 1600 for a dmg con: stats: 66 em res (13600) armor. 64.7 exp res 74.56 kin res 74.56 therm res or: Large Rep II Magstab II adap nano II adap nano II adap nano II dmg con II stats: 81.8 em res (13600) armor. 60.29 exp res 70.43 kin res 70.43 therm res this is for pvp, i have duel med cap boosters and a pg rig already fitted.
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:16:00 - [2] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/03/2007 18:15:07 Rig it and drop the plate, and add a MFS II. LAR II with 2x armor rep amount and 1x armor rep speed is CLOSE to 2x LAR II. (or just go 3x armor rep amount if you want) Plus you have the larger armor amount working in your favor. You REALLY want that MFS II if you are running Neutrons IMO. So: Lows: LAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x named DC, 2x MFS II Rigs: 3x armor rep amount / 2x armor rep amount + 1x armor rep speed edited for spelling - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:19:00 - [3] i planned to use 1 pg rig, 1 hyb collision rig, and 1 armor amount rig. i could change the armor rep rig to another pg rig i guess? then fit a single cap booster and a sensor boost, or 2 large cap boosters. could work i guess
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Pure Hatered i planned to use 1 pg rig, 1 hyb collision rig, and 1 armor amount rig. i could change the armor rep rig to another pg rig i guess? then fit a single cap booster and a sensor boost, or 2 large cap boosters. could work i guess Oh, I see. I'm at work, so I didn't check to see how it all actually fit... sorry. This is why the Hyperion makes me - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:20:00 - [5] does it make sense to fit 2 med injectors instead of 1 large? i think youd need 2 pg rigs for a large injector, but you could use the medslot for some nifty ewar/sensor upgrade/second web/whatever. i honestly dont know... but yeah.. 2 med injectors prolly sounds good... you can always have one of the two firing i guess.... im deffo gonna try it out... Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today!
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:21:00 - [6] This is just an observation that may or may not help but what are your armour comp skills like? May be useful to get these up (if they aren't already) and this may help you sorting out low slots as well.
Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:23:00 - [7] Edited by: Pure Hatered on 28/03/2007 18:20:34 all are lvl 4 and im currently training the explosive to lvl 5 asap. the second pg rig might actually work better than the armor rep and the 1600 plate. i dont do much math but i figure a rep rig wouldnt tank the hyp as well as 2 armor reps? p.s the only reason i had 2 meds was because i cant fit a large due to the poor pg
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Taipan Gedscho does it make sense to fit 2 med injectors instead of 1 large? i think youd need 2 pg rigs for a large injector, but you could use the medslot for some nifty ewar/sensor upgrade/second web/whatever. i honestly dont know... but yeah.. 2 med injectors prolly sounds good... you can always have one of the two firing i guess.... im deffo gonna try it out... I've seen some setups do that, yeah... I don't think it is quite as good, due to the amount of 800s you can pack into a med vs a heavy. - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Pure Hatered all are lvl 4 and im currently training the explosive to lvl 5 asap. the second pg rig might actually work better than the armor rep and the 1600 plate. i dont do much math but i figure a rep rig wouldnt tank the hyp as well as 2 armor reps? One won't, no... Three gets you close. - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:46:00 - [10] Even if i fit a second pg rig,it doesnt let me fit a second rep, only a large cap booster which isnt really the priority. would it be more useful as a resistance rig? or keep it with the rep rig. also which setup from the above is the best? (modify at will or offer suggestions)

Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:17:00 - [11] "Bump" surely some of you guys use a neutron setup thats viable solo/ small gangs for pvp. ive checked the ships and modules etc but they generally forget a tank and go pure dps entirely or just spam the usual "fit ions" "fit electrons" etc. "Help Wanted"
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:21:00 - [12] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/03/2007 22:22:49 Originally by: Pure Hatered "Bump" surely some of you guys use a neutron setup thats viable solo/ small gangs for pvp. ive checked the ships and modules etc but they generally forget a tank and go pure dps entirely or just spam the usual "fit ions" "fit electrons" etc. "Help Wanted" Seriously, man... the point of Neutrons is damage (gank), and the Megathron is a better gankship due to the extra low slot. Seriously consider a Megathron if you want to max your damage. I'm not saying that the Hyperion has no uses - it is fine as a short range medium damage supertank. But honestly, the Hyperion is better off with Electrons so you have the room for a top notch tank. The Megathron is simply far better for what you want to do! It has the extra low slot (meaning extra MFS II), and it can fit 5x heavy drones. - - - however - - - If you REALLY want to use Neutrons as a mid-range medium DPS general purpose weapon... Allow your attention to be directed toward the Rokh. 8x Neutrons fit easily. You can put a MEAN tank on that thing, with the drawback of not being able to have the tackle that a Megathron can fit. (Which isn't so bad if you are running in a gang anyway!) You will have medium DPS... but you will have VERY impressive optimal with Neutrons+null+Caldari BS 4 or 5. (I am personally going to train Caldari BS 4 so that I can have access to the Rokh. I need shield training for my Minmatar stuff anyway ^_^) I'm not trying to grief you here :) Just trying to help out. - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:27:00 - [13] yea, i did think about that. i just wasnt sure if the 5th heavy drone and the extra low slot was worth a high slot, med slot armor rep bonus and the extra armor buffer. ill check it out fairly soonish
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Pure Hatered yea, i did think about that. i just wasnt sure if the 5th heavy drone and the extra low slot was worth a high slot, med slot armor rep bonus and the extra armor buffer. ill check it out fairly soonish Well - the extra high slot can't increase your DPS by as much as the heavy drone + one more MFS II. I'm at work, or I'd toss together some math for you. Hmm, maybe I can "take a break" and tinker with quickfit. ;) jas... - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Taipan Gedscho Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.28 23:39:00 - [15] i dunno if that fits, but i planned on 8neutrons (zomg will be a long time before i can get em t2) mwd, web, scram, large injector, and a free med for some ewar or another web or whatever t2 lar, t2 dcu, 2xEANM II, 1 magstab II and an explo hardener II 2 PG rigs, 1 repamount rig. AWU III i think if i go the 2 med injector route i could fit that with 1 pg rig. i really like the idea, as you could be feeding 800 charges nearly nonstop (one firing, one reloading) but i DONT like the idea of giving that precious medslot away... Only you can save mmorpgs - Stop crying for nerfs today!
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.03.29 00:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Horza Otho on 29/03/2007 00:55:13 Originally by: Taipan Gedscho does it make sense to fit 2 med injectors instead of 1 large? i think youd need 2 pg rigs for a large injector, but you could use the medslot for some nifty ewar/sensor upgrade/second web/whatever. i honestly dont know... but yeah.. 2 med injectors prolly sounds good... you can always have one of the two firing i guess.... im deffo gonna try it out... Heavy Electrochemicals fit 4 cap boosters and have a 12 second rof. Now, Medium Electrochemicals have only 1 c800 capacity and have an rof of 12 seconds too. Heres the advantage of 2 medium electrochems; a medium electrochem reloads in 10 seconds... so if you really think about it a medium electrochem boosts 2 seconds faster then a heavy, but its just reloading instead of re-fireing. added by 2... you get 2 c800's 2 seconds faster w/ 2 medium electrochems then 1 heavy electrochem.
Howling Jinn Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.	Posted - 2007.03.29 01:07:00 - [17] ^^ come again? could you should how much more efficient it is, over say, 1min?
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.03.29 01:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Howling Jinn ^^ come again? could you should how much more efficient it is, over say, 1min? 1 Hvy electrochem injects 800 cap every 12 seconds. 2 Medium electrochem injectors 1600 cap cap every 12 seconds. Second injection: The same Hvy electrochem injects 800 cap after the 12 seconds. The 2 medium electrochem injected 1600 cap in TEN seconds due to 10 second reload of the single cap 800 in each injector. So, after 22 seconds 2 medium injectors inject faster then a single heavy. I cannot be any simpler without explaining it completely.
Xori Ruscuv The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.29 06:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Howling Jinn ^^ come again? could you should how much more efficient it is, over say, 1min? What he's saying is that in the long run, 1 heavy electrochemical w/800s injects: 3200 per 58s 2 med electrochemical w/800s injects: 3200 per 44s Work through it like this (ASSUMING YOU FIRE BOTH MEDS AT THE SAME TIME): 0s: heavy adds 800; 2xmeds add 1600 12s: heavy adds 800; 2x meds realize they are empty and start reload 22s: 2x meds finish reloading and fire, add 1600 24s: heavy adds 800 34s: 2x meds realize they are empty and start reload 36s: heavy adds 800 44s: 2x meds finish reloading and fire, add 1600 48s: heavy realizes it is empty, starts to reload 56s: 2x meds realize they are empty, and start reloading 58s: heavy finishes reloading and adds 800 66s: 2x meds finish reloading and fire, adds 1600 70s: heavy adds 800 etc. If you do the math, you get: One heavy elec with 800s: 3200 per 58s Two med elec with 800s: 3200 per 33s - - - Passive shield tank is the new WCS! Originally by: nickycakes so you're saying that when you don't get spanked by bob it's big news
Padma Sky Lumen Et Umbra	Posted - 2007.03.29 07:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Pure Hatered stuff I dont use the hyp but : * a lot of guys doing math agreed that ions + 1 dammage mod > neuts * dammage control > 1600 rolled ( HELL!!! 60% resist on all hull). IMHO dc > eam2 > plate, so u chosed the worst. * with compensation skills maxed 3x eam2 == 4x hardeners ( 1 x type) In conclusion with compensation skills i suggest u 3x EAM2+DC instead of 3 hardeners + plate. Or 1x explo hardener, 2x eam2, 1x DC if u prefer have a better resistance on explo ( ad cost of lesser resistance on the other 3). This last choice is really a "taste" problem.

Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.29 07:57:00 - [21] Hyperion: 8x Neutron II, 4x Ogre II, 2x MFS II Yields: 1111 raw DPS ... but with only 2293 grid and 334 cpu left over. That grid is pretty bad... you will not be able to fit an injector, MWD, and plates. Since you won't have room for a repper ANYWAY, one bonus is wasted on this setup. Plus, it is more expensive to fit, more expensive ship itself (than the mega). (I am assuming here that you would only use one plate on the Hyperion - if you could fit it - due to its higher base armor. It is like having a plate built in... but STILL, you struggle with PG to reach similar DPS. Without the second MFS II, you would be getting 975 DPS) is this using a pg rig? or just using the natural pg? the way i figured it was even if i used 8 neuts, i could still get a mwd, large rep and plate/resistances on their with it.
Pure Hatered	Posted - 2007.03.29 09:17:00 - [22] i finally found a setup to duel rep the hyp with a full rack of neut's the only bad point is the resistance's are pitiful around 50 explosive and 63 kin therm. as this requires duel pg rig i cant boost the resistances that way either. are resistances like these acceptable? as im used to flying a damn domi i got used to the 70-80 resistances it does have 1 mag stab and 1 hyb dmg rig fitted tho so life aint too bad i guess
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:02:00 - [23] If you're going to use the Hype w/ neutrons, then just focus on the DPS, and forget about maxing out your tank. Setup: 8x Neutron IIs w/ Void (don't ever use anything else but void) 100mn MWD T2, Web, scram, Tracking comp/ECCM/sensor booster etc., T2 Heavy cap injector 2x T2 Large armor reps, Damage control (IFFA), T2 EANM, 2x mag stabs. Probably going to have to use some shadow serp mag stabs to get all the CPU to fit. This uses 3x grid rigs. You can also drop one of the reps, add a third mag stab, and then reduce your grid rig requirements to 2, and add a rep amount rig or an explosive resist rig etc. Reasons for this setup: you want MAX DPS. You're gonna run outta cap quick, regardless of your setup. Unless you're running Ions and 2x T2 heavy injectors, your cap isn't going to keep up. You HAVE to down your target before you run out of cap. That means max DPS. You're going to run out of cap before you run out of armor/structure. Especially if they have any sort of Nos what so ever. If you don't have maxed out skills (BS5, large blaster spec 5, all gun support skills at 5, drone interfacing 5 w/ drone specs at 4 and heavy 5 for t2 drones, you're just going to die with no cap before you can dent their tank. Even if you do have all of that, if you come up against a heavy tanked Raven or Maelstrom, you're gonna die, especially if they have nos. You just won't break their tanks before you run out of cap. A Maelstrom or Raven can effortlessly tank 100% of a Hype's DPS. Same w/ the Mega. A pretty fun setup I run, in addition to the Neutron setup above: 8x ion IIs, standard mids (as above), 2x LAR T2, DC2, eanm T2, 2x magstab2s (or SS mag stabs, I don't remember), and 1x grid rig, 1x rep amount, and 1x exp resist rig. You can also run the exact same setup as above, but w/ 2x grid rigs and 1x rep amount, and fit a 2nd heavy t2 injector in the 5th mid, for some serious cap output. Eats 800 charges like tictacs, but when you're being nossed to hell by 3 Domis, it's worth it. All that being said, the Hype is also very fun w/ a TC2 in the 5th mid, some Neutron2s, some NULL, and a drone bay full of web drones for catching those scumbag nano ships. The Neutrons have some reach, some really good punch, and once you get the web drones on em to slow them down a bit and get your main web on them, they're hosed. Because I said so...
wierchas noobhunter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:08:00 - [24] uhh i may be wrong but do not it is that u need wait cicle of medium booster and then 10 sec to reload so its 22 sec for 800 cap ?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:10:00 - [25] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter uhh i may be wrong but do not it is that u need wait cicle of medium booster and then 10 sec to reload so its 22 sec for 800 cap ? You're correct. They're full of crap. They don't know wtf they're talking about. Lol. Because I said so...
wierchas noobhunter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: murder one Originally by: wierchas noobhunter uhh i may be wrong but do not it is that u need wait cicle of medium booster and then 10 sec to reload so its 22 sec for 800 cap ? You're correct. They're full of crap. They don't know wtf they're talking about. Lol. lolz
Sadayiel Caldari Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:13:00 - [27] Quote: 8x ion IIs, standard mids (as above), 2x LAR T2, DC2, eanm T2, 2x magstab2s (or SS mag stabs, I don't remember), and 1x grid rig, 1x rep amount, and 1x exp resist rig exactly my original and actual hyperion setup, wich proved to be quite effective in the past (also glad to see you finally fly one murder one aside the forum test discussions we had before rev ) also a more balanced Neutron setup i use. hi: 8x neutrons II med: 1x MWD II , 1x webber and scrambler , 1x sensor booster II 1x med cap booster or just drop the sensor booster and fit a 2nd med cap booster low: 1x large tech 2 repper, 2x Magstab II 1x EANM II 1x DMG control II rigs (1x ancillary router ) drones: as you wish Every man know he's going to die, but no one believes such thing can happen
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:20:00 - [28] Edited by: madaluap on 29/03/2007 11:18:56 Still a Ion setup works best: 8* Ion 2 (AM) 100mn mwd 2 Disrupter 2 Fleeting webber Heavy capinjector 2 Sensorbooster 2 2* darkblood large armor rep (2000pg usage) 2eam 2 1 damagecontrol 2 1* damagemod 2 3* aux repboost 4* beserker 2 Not sure if it was 1 heavy capinjector + 1 sensorboost or 2* medium, thought first. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.29 11:25:00 - [29] This will run forever if you don't get nossed...but it wont take damage well at all, and will die solo to anything that can tank and tackle: 8x Neutron II 1x 100MN WMD II, 4x CR II 1x Med Rep II (440 hp at BS 5), 3x MFS II, 2x CPR II 2x CCC II, 1x CCC I And drones of course Comes out to 1290 raw DPS with Void. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Star Commander
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.03.29 12:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Sadayiel Quote: 8x ion IIs, standard mids (as above), 2x LAR T2, DC2, eanm T2, 2x magstab2s (or SS mag stabs, I don't remember), and 1x grid rig, 1x rep amount, and 1x exp resist rig exactly my original and actual hyperion setup, wich proved to be quite effective in the past (also glad to see you finally fly one murder one aside the forum test discussions we had before rev ) also a more balanced Neutron setup i use. hi: 8x neutrons II med: 1x MWD II , 1x webber and scrambler , 1x sensor booster II 1x med cap booster or just drop the sensor booster and fit a 2nd med cap booster low: 1x large tech 2 repper, 2x Magstab II 1x EANM II 1x DMG control II rigs (1x ancillary router ) drones: as you wish TBH I usually don't fly that setup, as I end up running out of cap before I run out of armor, and end up sitting there rotting while they kill me. I tend to go with a max damage Neutron setup w/ 3x mag stabs and a lighter tank, while using something like a trimark armor rig to boost my base HP, and sticking a slave set in my head. o.0 Passive tanks ftw. However, I still will die to something like a Maelstrom or Raven, as they can tank 100% of my damage forever, until I run out of cap. Then I sit there and rot as they kill me while I can't do anything. Because I said so...



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