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MC Loviing
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.20 18:32:55 -
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Why does the third alt in a OMEGA account can be trained like an Alpha account???
We are already paying the premium account why force me to have a second free account. im already paying 1 multicharacter training.
Ive just want him to be training something. Even if its slow and not all the skills.... better than nothing |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.20 18:37:02 -
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MC Loviing wrote: force me whose forcing you to do anything ?
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MC Loviing
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.20 18:39:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:MC Loviing wrote: force me whose forcing you to do anything ?
Lol pointless comment but i will indulge you.
I can set up a free account and set it to train stuff then transfer it to my account or keep that.... Its the same.... thats why the 'force " it. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.20 18:43:00 -
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hmmmm yeah i still dont see where your being forced to do anything here
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
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Posted - 2016.11.20 19:04:17 -
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But no one is saying you HAVE to. You are just just staying you can. You already have multi toon training going on |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.11.20 19:49:07 -
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MC Loviing wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:MC Loviing wrote: force me whose forcing you to do anything ? Lol pointless comment but i will indulge you. I can set up a free account and set it to train stuff then transfer it to my account or keep that.... Its the same.... thats why the 'force " it.
Just because you don't see the point doesn't mean there isn't one. You still haven't justified your use of the word "force". Perhaps you should look the word up in a dictionary.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.20 20:20:51 -
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You dont understand the system.
On Alpha/Omega account, you can only train one character at a time. Once Omega, you can invest in multitraining to train one or two more, simultaneously.
One Alpha account character, at a time, per account, can train at half the rate of an Omega character. One Omega account character, at a time, can train at twice the rate (and no restrictions), of an Alpha account.s.
Your Omega accounts third character, is also an Omega character. It will only train if you make it your training focus, or buy multiitraining for it.
Omega does not mean that ALL characters on that account train simultaneously. Only one, which is your current choice. Same applies to Alpha.
BUT
On an Omega account, ALL of the characters can use ALL their skills. Whereas on an Alpha account, MOST skills are restricted..
Do you understand?
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.20 20:21:19 -
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Grind more, buy injectors. Nobody forces you. But you know you want it.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.20 20:31:49 -
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All characters on an Omega account, train at Omega rates, if assigned as active training focus or multitrained.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2016.11.20 20:44:31 -
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One should never underestimate the creativity of entitlement.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.20 20:57:24 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:One should never underestimate the creativity of entitlement. This is a nonsense statement.
OP just hadn't understood how the system works.
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.21 02:29:20 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:One should never underestimate the creativity of entitlement. This is a nonsense statement. OP just hadn't understood how the system works.
Actually, Mara's statement makes sense.
The OP seems to understand how the system works.
He understands an Omega account will have one character training at full speed. Otherwise, why would he pay for multi-character training to have a second character training too?
He also understands an Alpha account has one character training at half speed, and only a limited set of skills, by paying nothing.
Having understood all of that, he is wondering why someone can have the first character on a not-paying account training, even if at half speed and only for a limited set of skills, while he can't have his third character, on his paying account plus one multi-character training certificate, training at the same speed and with the same restrictions as the first character on a not-paying account, because of... entitlement? |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2016.11.21 04:32:14 -
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The funny part would be what would stop CCP from allowing an Omega, read paid for account, train dual training at alpha speeds and only to alpha skills? Basically you would be splitting up the training as alpha training speeds are exactly half of omegas so technically youre getting the same SP just split on two accounts. Ironically you could make dual training a very interesting prospect with this system. You pay for the ability to train all accounts by paying for two and splitting one up.
So you would be paying for alpha training time on a paid account.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.11.21 04:53:33 -
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somebody pointing a gun in your head "forcing" you, OP?
entitled brats are entitled.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.11.21 05:00:23 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:One should never underestimate the creativity of entitlement. This is a nonsense statement. OP just hadn't understood how the system works.
NO, he understands and knows that you can only have 1 character training for SP per account (except if you use this).
he is just being greedy.
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TackyTachy1
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.21 07:45:10 -
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I still haven't figured out the rationale behind having both Omega and Alpha characters. But I'm not ashamed to state that there are great swathes of the Eve Online experience that I've yet to figure out so it's no big deal that I'm clueless on the Omega/Alpha's. I can just stack them up with all the other stuff I'm clueless about; like Plex, Arum, extractors and all those exotic abbreviations that keep me running to internet search engines.
But I'm living proof that one can be bone ignorant and still have fun.
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Rayit
The Vomit Comets Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.11.21 08:28:32 -
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I think the request makes sense and would be a nice addition. Give us the ability to designate our Omega characters as Alpha if we choose to. Save us from needing separate Alpha accounts and allow us to do some basic training on an alt before paying for dual character training. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.11.21 09:45:34 -
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Rayit wrote:I think the request makes sense and would be a nice addition. Give us the ability to designate our Omega characters as Alpha if we choose to. Save us from needing separate Alpha accounts and allow us to do some basic training on an alt before paying for dual character training.
dude stop, this is just being greedy...
the main purpose of alpha is for potential recruits/newbros to try out EvE without the limited time of 14 days.
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Rayit
The Vomit Comets Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.11.21 10:03:43 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:dude stop, this is just being greedy...
Don't ask, don't get. There's nothing wrong with making a request. It would be a boring world if people didn't get "greedy" and try to improve things.
I'm sure plenty of people are opening second accounts to give themselves an Alpha character. This suggestion just cuts down on the "admin" involved. |
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
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Posted - 2016.11.21 10:12:01 -
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Rayit wrote:I think the request makes sense and would be a nice addition. Give us the ability to designate our Omega characters as Alpha if we choose to. Save us from needing separate Alpha accounts and allow us to do some basic training on an alt before paying for dual character training.
But that's the essence of entitlement. The alpha program is not there to give you more options for your characters. It's a marketing campaign to entice new players into the game, while allowing veterans to still interact with the game at no cost and perhaps resub. OP is just whining.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.21 10:16:15 -
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I think its pretty irrational to try an accuse a subbed account of being "entitled".
Ofc they are entitled. They have paid.
What is irrational about this current system, is that when you pay, you lose access to the free service.
As I argued earlier, there is strong reasoning for having one alpha account being allowed to run concurrently with one omega account.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.11.21 11:04:49 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I think its pretty irrational to try an accuse a subbed account of being "entitled".
Ofc they are entitled. They have paid.
What is irrational about this current system, is that when you pay, you lose access to the free service.
As I argued earlier, there is strong reasoning for having one alpha account being allowed to run concurrently with one omega account.
you don't lose anything, infact, your training time increased (compared to alpha) and you can access omega skills.
the issue is, you are not content on what the additional 'perks' a paying sub is offering, asking for more, hence being greedy.
why you people didn't ask for 14 days multicharacter training time when trial accounts were just 14 days?!
because it was not worth it, but now trial accounts are unlimited so greedy people are crying, "give me!, give me!, give me!". lol
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.11.21 11:34:05 -
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Rayit wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:dude stop, this is just being greedy... Don't ask, don't get. There's nothing wrong with making a request. It would be a boring world if people didn't get "greedy" and try to improve things. I'm sure plenty of people are opening second accounts to give themselves an Alpha character. This suggestion just cuts down on the "admin" involved.
OP demands that his 3rd character (in his 1 account), since he is paying the regular sub and MCT to his 2nd, be also allowed to train for SP at alpha clone rates, unlimitedly.
do you think CCP will agree to that? MCT will be useless.
you also forgot that we can now sell SP via extractors/injectors, what will happen to that market because of this?
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.21 12:04:03 -
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Im not OP. Im also not demanding or asking for anything.
Im just discussing/exploring the issue from the perspective of a subbed player. It makes more sense to me, to allow a subbed account to simultaneously use one alpha account. My issueand argument is different than OPs.
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Rayit
The Vomit Comets Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.11.21 12:05:13 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:I think its pretty irrational to try an accuse a subbed account of being "entitled".
Ofc they are entitled. They have paid.
It's unreasonable to make requests apparently when you're a happy paying customer.
Imagine the state of the world if every "entitled" person just kept quiet. We'd be lucky to have indoor bathrooms...
Nothing wrong with making suggestions. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.11.21 12:15:38 -
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keyword: reasonable
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.21 12:17:21 -
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Rayit wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:I think its pretty irrational to try an accuse a subbed account of being "entitled".
Ofc they are entitled. They have paid. It's unreasonable to make requests apparently when you're a happy paying customer. Imagine the state of the world if every "entitled" person just kept quiet. We'd be lucky to have indoor bathrooms... Nothing wrong with making suggestions.
When you're already getting what you've paid for, demanding more under the premise that you paid for it is 'entitlement', the kind where you think you're owed more than you have earned.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.11.21 13:32:27 -
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So, anyway:
In other MMO's you can only log in one character at a time. Thus you can only get XP and level up one character at a time.
The devs have decided to keep this restriction for EVE, because EVE is an MMO too. Only one character can gain XP / levels at a time.
But EVE lets you gain XP and skill levels even if you're not logged in. So CCP had to make a special rule that only one character can be actually training the skill XP / levels in your account. One character per account.
And then they added the option to dual-train or triple-train, for convenience. You pay double, you pay triple, why force you to open up new accounts? As long as you pay double or triple, you can keep those characters in your one account.
And then they added the free Alpha option. So now you can train multiple Alphas, up to a point. But the old restriction of "one character per account" still holds.
If you're an Omega, they don't want you to gain ANY skillpoints, not even Alpha skill points, on more than one character per account. They just don't want you to, end of discussion, it's their game, it's their choice.
Note that Alpha accounts have the additional restriction of not being able to log in at the same time as other accounts; you can't play two characters at the same time. Again, CCP's game, CCP's choice, end of discussion.
People are calling you on "entitlement" because you're complaining about the free stuff that you were given. It's limited, but it was a gift (because it's free), so take it as it is and say "thank you." Not seeing any "thank you" in your post = entitlement. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.11.21 15:32:56 -
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1) I disagree with OP. Let me make that clear. There is no rationale (currently) whereby the 3rd character on an Omega account, with second character in MST, should receive Alpha rate skill development for free. The same rule of training only one character per account applies to both Alphas and Omegas. Omega characters across the account have no skill restrictions, twice the SP rate of alphas, when trained. Multitraining is an added option for Omegas. This is jo different than before, since you couldnt multitrain an unsubbed account anyways.
2) Lets face it, it was extremely common before, to run a trial account alongside a main subbed account. -People would use Buddy Codes to create an Alt Trial, sub it, and earn a PLEX on the Buddy deal. -People would create Alt Trials, then upgrade them with Content Packs, to receive 15+20 days of trial, and then sub them with basically those 35 days being added to the subbed account (I dont know whether this worked with Buddy system for a PLEX ontop of that).
Infact I would argue these where the best, most profitable and expedient ways to create an alt. This precedence of flying a main, alongside a trial, exists. Ergo, of flying a paid account alongside a free account (for the duration of the trial).
3) My concern, is that Omegas lose access to the free Alpha service. I have explained this here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6720626#post6720626
Imo it doesnt make sense that a paying Omega sub loses access to an Alpha account (which is free for non-payers). I think each Omega account should be able to fly a free Alpha alongside it. Its irrational that when you pay, you lose a service that is otherwise free. The free service (one Alpha) should be included (as free) in the Omega sub.
In terms of regulation, simply require that the Alpha accou t has the same email registration as the Omega account. If you change email, the free alpha no longer applies as being able to fly si ultaneously with your Omega client/account, u less you change both. When the Omega sub expires, the system defaults to the current settings, and you will only be able to fly one of the (now) Alpha accounts at a time.
Refer to the other thread I linked where I elaborate on other rational arguments for the advantage of this system, to players, the commu ity and CCP.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2016.11.21 15:35:45 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:1) I disagree with OP. Let me make that clear. There is no rationale (currently) whereby the 3rd character on an Omega account, with second character in MST, should receive Alpha rate skill development for free. The same rule of training only one character per account applies to both Alphas and Omegas. Omega characters across the account have no skill restrictions, twice the SP rate of alphas, when trained. Multitraining is an added option for Omegas. This is jo different than before, since you couldnt multitrain an unsubbed account anyways. 2) Lets face it, it was extremely common before, to run a trial account alongside a main subbed account. -People would use Buddy Codes to create an Alt Trial, sub it, and earn a PLEX on the Buddy deal. -People would create Alt Trials, then upgrade them with Content Packs, to receive 15+20 days of trial, and then sub them (I dont know whether this worked with Buddy system). Infact I would argue these where the best, most profitable and expedient ways to create an alt. This precedence of flying a main, alongside a trial, exists. Ergo, of flying a paid account alongside a free account (for the duration of the trial). 3) My concern, is that Omegas lose access to the free Alpha service. I have explained this here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6720626#post6720626 Imo it doesnt make sense that a paying Omega sub loses access to an Alpha account (which is free for non-payers). I think each Omega account should be able to fly a free Alpha alongside it. Its irrational that when you pay, you lose a service that is otherwise free. The free service (one Alpha) should be included (as free) in the Omega sub. In terms of regulation, simply require that the Alpha accou t has the same email registration as the Omega account. If you change email, the free alpha no longer applies as being able to fly si ultaneously with your Omega client/account, u less you change both. When the Omega sub expires, the system defaults to the current settings, and you will only be able to fly one of the (now) Alpha accounts at a time. Refer to the other thread I linked where I elaborate on other rational arguments for the advantage of this system, to players, the commu ity and CCP.
I'm gonna explain this to you one more time.
Simultaneous multiple accounts, and multiple character training, are not part of the free service, and are not intended to be. That means, just because you pay for one account, doesn't mean you get a free toon to play at the same time, or skill alongside your main, until you pay for that second account as well. If you can't figure this out after having it explained to you multiple times, you are hopeless.
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Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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