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Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:52:00 - [1] His point was that the "plan" was written after the occurance and he implied it is unlikely that how things turned out beared any resemblance to how things were planned. I would tend to agree.
Meriones TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:53:00 - [2] /emote runs around passing out crying towels
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:55:00 - [3] Ya know, If I was in BOB, I'd leave. Because regardless of what they have or do accomplish, everything will be tainted by the stench of cheating. In this case....well....the tidbit of information that the system had a 700-man limit was worth more than any Tech II BPO. Did BOB know in advance? No idea. But that suspicion will certainly be in the back of my mind. Especially so as these 'Undocumented Features' seem to continually work in BOB's favor. Now, as presented the plan was pretty good from BOB's side: Defend a POS and try to cripple the enemy's Capital Fleet. Use misinformation to make it so that they were shooting a semi-worthless target. But the Coalition had a plan too: Send in support when the POS blew to let the Capitals leave. Too bad that BOB was the only one who's plan was workable - oh, wait - the Coalition plan was workable, right up to the 700-man limit. That kind of 'coincidence' leaves people with a very bad taste in their mouth. I play Eve to try to build an Empire, and I used to look up to BOB as the model of how to do it right. I hoped for an invite to join them. Now, I'd have to turn it down if I got one - because I don't think that people would respect any of the work I did. The more brilliant I was, the more I'd be accused of cheating. So did BOB attract the best players and therefore deserve to be on top of Eve? Sure. Will the Eve community ever give them the respect such an accomplishment deserves? Never. Because we just can't believe we play on a level playing field with them.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:57:00 - [4] I agree, this is simply outrageous. I wish to further express my distinct conviction that this state of affairs is immensely detrimental to our entire lifestyle; indeed, the very pillars of our civilization are directly threatened by this unforeseen turn of events. It remains our solemn duty to do our utmost to combat this menacing beast which abhors freedom, justice and righteousness in all forms, and seek only to devour our children, homeland and very way of life. I hereby call upon all moral citizens to stand up to this vile monster of utter depravity! These so called 'coders', cursed be their name, have truly sinned greatly in the eye of the beholder and must be redeemed in the fiery pits of hell after meeting their creator. Or hang on. Wtf is this? IBTL tbh. -----
Alkhar	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Princess Jodi Ya know, If I was in BOB, I'd leave. Because regardless of what they have or do accomplish, everything will be tainted by the stench of cheating. In this case....well....the tidbit of information that the system had a 700-man limit was worth more than any Tech II BPO. Did BOB know in advance? No idea. But that suspicion will certainly be in the back of my mind. Especially so as these 'Undocumented Features' seem to continually work in BOB's favor. Now, as presented the plan was pretty good from BOB's side: Defend a POS and try to cripple the enemy's Capital Fleet. Use misinformation to make it so that they were shooting a semi-worthless target. But the Coalition had a plan too: Send in support when the POS blew to let the Capitals leave. Too bad that BOB was the only one who's plan was workable - oh, wait - the Coalition plan was workable, right up to the 700-man limit. That kind of 'coincidence' leaves people with a very bad taste in their mouth. I play Eve to try to build an Empire, and I used to look up to BOB as the model of how to do it right. I hoped for an invite to join them. Now, I'd have to turn it down if I got one - because I don't think that people would respect any of the work I did. The more brilliant I was, the more I'd be accused of cheating. So did BOB attract the best players and therefore deserve to be on top of Eve? Sure. Will the Eve community ever give them the respect such an accomplishment deserves? Never. Because we just can't believe we play on a level playing field with them. You mean, the undocumented feature that was actually devblogged last year? O'wait.
Dalanoria sPaCeBaLlS tHe cOrP	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Meriones /emote runs around passing out crying towels Only one way to find out. Next time theres a Alliance fleet of 200+ headed to any Coalition system, Petition a GM to cap the system with the excuse "We dont want the node to crash". If they cap it, then all's fair, if they dont, then BOB realy does have a GM in their back pocket, and that means you lose.....everytime
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:00:00 - [7] Devblogged last year, and not used in any fights until BOB had something to lose.
Sidius Mason	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Sidius Mason on 02/04/2007 22:00:12
dirtystockbird The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:03:00 - [9] Edited by: dirtystockbird on 02/04/2007 22:01:16 OR could it be (tinfoil hat time).... That BOB learned that JUMP IN's have more priority then LOGINS (as was evident in the LV titan fiasco). Therefore rather then leave Bob's support fleet in the same system they moved it right next door in case the node crashed. However, the node didn't crash and Bobs support fleet couldn't jump in and neither could D2's. This Bob cheats on a daily basis is old. But continue with the whole "Bob must be cheating cause I lost" deal, it has worked so well for the coalition so far.
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Shin Ra His point was that the "plan" was written after the occurance and he implied it is unlikely that how things turned out beared any resemblance to how things were planned. I would tend to agree. QFT Possibly the smartest thing Shin Ra has ever said. SM could have guessed that the coallition support wouldn't have made it due to the lag and the surrounding fleets, but had the titan jumpbridged they simply could have called the support in. A legend in my own mind
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:06:00 - [11] The point the OP is trying to make is that things would have gone ENTIRELY differently if the Jump bridges had worked.So BoB were either very,very lucky or........... its tin foil time. again.
Teeta Sabes Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Basilii Hmm , so my question is , how come Molle was so sure that d2 couldnt use their jumpbrige? and he wasnt afraid to leave his capitols without support in f-t?... because if somehow d2 support of 200 would have came to f-t i think bob qould have suffered cap ships loses too . my personal wiew and thoughts . m8, i will give you a hint why: its something not everybody has, but everybody wants, something that is hated and loved in the same time. something that nobody wants to fight against but everybody want to fight on its side.... u get my point? its something the coalition dont have the balls to use for.. but bob do.. its ultimate superweapon - 3 of them for 3 support fleets of 200 people u know: one titan to onw them all on fleet to be owned
dirtystockbird The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:08:00 - [13] Edited by: dirtystockbird on 02/04/2007 22:05:12 Originally by: Vannilla Venom The point the OP is trying to make is that things would have gone ENTIRELY differently if the Jump bridges had worked.So BoB were either very,very lucky or........... its tin foil time. again. And even MORE coalition dreads would have been scrammed and killed if Bobs support fleet could have jumped in as well. But keep trying to bring 1000 people into a node And post with your main.
Teeta Sabes Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:10:00 - [14] dont spin your plans... in my opinion, if you could understand the plans that bobs leadership is spinning then you would not fall into it. plan a plan b plan c u only saw plan a in f-t, perhaps if plan a would have not been such a success then you could have seen plan b
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Princess Jodi Edited by: Princess Jodi on 02/04/2007 21:59:49 Devblogged last year, and not used in any fights until BOB had something to lose. And that's actually my point. Yes, it could be a 'coincidence', or a true attempt to allow for a fight after the LV fiasco. We'll never know, and so the conspiracy theorists will always have some ammo. And any empire built with such suspicions won't get respect. You also forget to mention that since the devblog and the LV fiasko not a single fight reached a possible 700 cap and had multiple 100 more guys trying to jump in. The 700er cap was also -not- confirmed by anyone official. So far we have a rumor that some guy talked to a guy who was in a system with a gm who told him there is a cap. That the jumpbrige didnt work might also be down to the fact that there was insane lag in all systems, both target and exit system and ontop jumpbridges arent the most reliable feature in this game as seen in smaller engagements first hand. What you are effectively doing is the typical media type of approach. Summing up some facts and leaving a bunch of questions open so the ppl who dont question anything run to the obvious conclusion. BoB had little support in the system to actually get a fight and because they were camping the systems around this one and could have incase of emergency moved their forces inside. That coalition might try to crash the node and possibly would by the sheer amount of ppl they would jump in was no secret either so reducing the own numbers seemed reasonable, especially if you consider the rumors about "jumpin" priorities over "login" ones. If the rumor is true and you have your support outside you can atleast hope to get into the same "jumpin" category to help your crashed brothers instead of having all eggs in one basket.
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:14:00 - [16] Originally by: dirtystockbird Edited by: dirtystockbird on 02/04/2007 22:05:12 Originally by: Vannilla Venom The point the OP is trying to make is that things would have gone ENTIRELY differently if the Jump bridges had worked.So BoB were either very,very lucky or........... its tin foil time. again. And even MORE coalition dreads would have been scrammed and killed if Bobs support fleet could have jumped in as well. But keep trying to bring 1000 people into a node And post with your main. BoBs support fleet was too busy lagging out the surrounding systems mate.
Chomp	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45 So the server state is Bob's fault? No, but the fact that the system was limited in numbers i bet came as no suprise to bob......
dirtystockbird The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: dirtystockbird Edited by: dirtystockbird on 02/04/2007 22:05:12 Originally by: Vannilla Venom The point the OP is trying to make is that things would have gone ENTIRELY differently if the Jump bridges had worked.So BoB were either very,very lucky or........... its tin foil time. again. And even MORE coalition dreads would have been scrammed and killed if Bobs support fleet could have jumped in as well. But keep trying to bring 1000 people into a node And post with your main. BoBs support fleet was too busy lagging out the surrounding systems mate. Ahh, that's how Bob wins, lagging systems. That's it, you *****ed it. Doesnt matter, your post will be deleted soon anway with a forum warning soon to follow I am sure. Love people that lack conviction in their statments and won't post with their mains.
Heilongjiang YASA.	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:22:00 - [19] Crusher your just adding fat to the fire m8
Satsukage Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:32:00 - [20] I didnt know you could get these in EvE Sometimes I wonder if the "Coalition" has their leadership HQ in Ironforge.
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:37:00 - [21] Originally by: dirtystockbird Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: dirtystockbird Edited by: dirtystockbird on 02/04/2007 22:05:12 Originally by: Vannilla Venom The point the OP is trying to make is that things would have gone ENTIRELY differently if the Jump bridges had worked.So BoB were either very,very lucky or........... its tin foil time. again. And even MORE coalition dreads would have been scrammed and killed if Bobs support fleet could have jumped in as well. But keep trying to bring 1000 people into a node And post with your main. BoBs support fleet was too busy lagging out the surrounding systems mate. Ahh, that's how Bob wins, lagging systems. That's it, you *****ed it. Doesnt matter, your post will be deleted soon anway with a forum warning soon to follow I am sure. Love people that lack conviction in their statments and won't post with their mains. So,by saying BoB couldnt jump their fleet in, you agree that the Nodes where unstable and there was a certain amount of instability?Then why did CCP claim it was working perfectly when people petitioned ships lost? Huh?Care to answer? Wassup with this 'forum warning' thing?Did I upset you? I'm venting mate.Relax.
Hast Refused.	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: dirtystockbird Edited by: dirtystockbird on 02/04/2007 22:05:12 Originally by: Vannilla Venom The point the OP is trying to make is that things would have gone ENTIRELY differently if the Jump bridges had worked.So BoB were either very,very lucky or........... its tin foil time. again. And even MORE coalition dreads would have been scrammed and killed if Bobs support fleet could have jumped in as well. But keep trying to bring 1000 people into a node And post with your main. BoBs support fleet was too busy lagging out the surrounding systems mate. but the fact that BOB's fleet was also lagged out and unable to do much in the sorrounding systems is besides the point. Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:54:00 - [23] Im thinking that the point was that it was suppose to be caped at 700 and only 450 ish got in system. BOD had 300??? something in system before we jumped our dreads in. Another point we only got 70 or so dreads in the rest either crashed on jump or got jump timers. Anyway with BOD actually havening a t20 helping them in there past ventures it really wouldn't surprise me if they used there out of game powers on this one as well. now for the proof of how many people where in local during the fight just watch the vid that bob released about the fight keep an eye on the local number. Anyway my point of view and i have no problems with most bob members i was once one of them but if they are resorting to out of game means to win its not cool. Travling Shiva
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:55:00 - [24] Just out of curiosity, did anyone warn the devs of the battle that will take place? With sufficient warning I'm sure the devs could have placed the system on its own node to support the amount of ships. Perhaps CCP should envision keeping a supernode or two that can support 1000+ ships just for these occasions? -----------------------------------------------------
Baymm Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Baymm on 02/04/2007 22:52:27 Originally by: Travling Im thinking that the point was that it was suppose to be caped at 700 and only 450 ish got in system. BOD had 300??? something in system before we jumped our dreads in. Another point we only got 70 or so dreads in the rest either crashed on jump or got jump timers. Anyway with BOD actually havening a t20 helping them in there past ventures it really wouldn't surprise me if they used there out of game powers on this one as well. now for the proof of how many people where in local during the fight just watch the vid that bob released about the fight keep an eye on the local number. Anyway my point of view and i have no problems with most bob members i was once one of them but if they are resorting to out of game means to win its not cool. Travling Shiva Wow, I would like a dose of libel with my defamation please! Baymm Shadow Gypsies Rise
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Princess Jodi Devblogged last year, and not used in any fights until BOB had something to lose. And that's actually my point. Yes, it could be a 'coincidence', or a true attempt to allow for a fight after the LV fiasco. We'll never know, and so the conspiracy theorists will always have some ammo. And any empire built with such suspicions won't get respect. I should probably point out that at no time during the fight there ever 700 people in the that system. So yeah, wear stylish tinfoil hats all you want but at the end of the day its CCP's hardware that screwed up, not some invisible bob fleet that capped out the system limits. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Teeta Sabes Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.04.02 22:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Travling Im thinking that the point was that it was suppose to be caped at 700 and only 450 ish got in system. BOD had 300??? something in system before we jumped our dreads in. Another point we only got 70 or so dreads in the rest either crashed on jump or got jump timers. Anyway with BOD actually havening a t20 helping them in there past ventures it really wouldn't surprise me if they used there out of game powers on this one as well. now for the proof of how many people where in local during the fight just watch the vid that bob released about the fight keep an eye on the local number. Anyway my point of view and i have no problems with most bob members i was once one of them but if they are resorting to out of game means to win its not cool. Travling Shiva wts brain (i have some dont worry) u need it? m8?
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.04.02 23:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 02/04/2007 23:01:00 Is this another BOB is BOD thread? I guess the fact that GM's prevented yet another node crash is a sure proof of this.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.04.02 23:07:00 - [29] The coalition needs to stop trying to beat BoB in it`s game. Attack different POS`s in different regions at the same time. Make sure BoB and their allies can`t be at the same time on both places. Honestly, I really don`t care about who win this one: I like the BoB side somewhat because DDC is there (ex-allies, I know), but I also like the Coalition because I respect RED. I can add more reasons why I want both sides to lose, too. So... Hope both sides lose. And the Coalition too has to start toying with the server...
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.02 23:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Doc Punkiller Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45 So the server state is Bob's fault? It's definitively not coalition's fault... HAHA! Oh man, bookmarking for future laughs. ------- Someone from MC peer-pressured me to smoke pot, now I'm cool. Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.

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