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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:21:16
Hey,
CCP, could you please implement an alternative model for down time schedulings. The reason I ask this is because of the following facts;
Fact A) East-Coast Australia resides in the +10 GMT timezone or +11 GMT during daylight savings dependant upon which state you are in. Prime playing hours for this timezone is from around 0800 - 1300 eve time central.
Fact B) As you can tell from our prime playing hours, this is punctuated nightly by an hours pause, not ideal for l4 mission runners, although I am not one of these anymore.
Fact C) Australia is not the only eve playing nation on or around +10 GMT, Japan is +9, China is +8, so their prime playing hours would be affected also.
Fact D) Announcements of upcoming patches, such as the one currently being undertaken, sometimes catch non-regular forum readers unawares. In fact the current patch update would have caught me well unawares had it not been for a skill change I need to do this morning. It may have been on the in game news earlier but I only noticed it this morning my time.
What I Am Not Asking For
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A) I understand that this is a global game and any change in timings will impact on someone else, so I am not asking that CCP never put dt around GMT +10 prime playing hours.
B) I understand that this dt is performed during a standard English working day, I am not asking that you step outside of this for something like a 24hr rolling roster.
What I Am Asking For
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A) A more equitable solution to downtime timings, GTM +10 locals and neighbors pay just as much subscription as everyone else and should be entitled to the same/similar available playtime.
Possible Alternate Model
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Assuming that 1100 eve time is 1100 during the English working day, a possible new model is roll the start of the 1 hour dt over a 5 hour period that period being 1100-1400 eve time (et). Thus the roster would become something like:
Day 1: 1100-1200 et == 2100-2200 +10 GMT
Day 2: 1200-1300 et == 2200-2300 +10 GMT
Day 3: 1300-1400 et == 2300-0000 +10 GMT
Day 4: 1300-1500 et == 0000-0100 +10 GMT
Day 5: 1500-1600 et == 0100-0200 +10 GMT
Day 6: 1600-1700 et == 0200-0300 +10 GMT
Repeat from day one.
As you can see this gives those of us living in the +10 tz a little repreive from the current constant punctuation of our daily prime play hours without impacting others too significantly and without leaving the confines of the English working day.
Thanks,
Cheq
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:22:00 -
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Sahjahn
Caldari
Black Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:31:00 -
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sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
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RatBoy Deblade
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
And if the workers have to work night, ccp would be most unhappy cause workers working overtime cost a ****load of cash 
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:56:58
Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
Assuming you are correct, why doesn't dt commence at 0900? Seems to me you are just trying to justify it in its current form to protect yourself from possible impact of a scheduling change. I can understand why you are worried, we go through it every night.
I am just trying for a fairer deal for those of us on or around +10 GMT timeline. I don't think that is too much to ask.
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:02:00 -
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FFS
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Nuxim
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nuxim on 03/04/2007 10:00:42
DT for me begins at 2300 and 2400 during daylight savings, I really like it at that time, gives a good mid-break in my play sessions :)
The dt is chosen for CCP's convenience anyway
Changing the time everyday is absolutely ridiculous and no ones going to know when DT is.
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nuxim
and no ones going to know when DT is.
Errm don't know if you have noticed it but there is this little box that pops up, typically 3 times before dt telling you exactly when it is. And 5 minutes out it even has this mad little countdown, amazing hey :p
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:08:00 -
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This is the second thread you make about this, and thus i'll repeat what I said last time:
If it 'aint you aussie boys and girls getting the fork, it's someone else if you change it.
If it really means that much to you, move to another country tbh - Sorry I mean no disrespect, I really don't, but this argument is getting old. The work hours are as they are in London, and thats just the reality of things.
You can repeat it over and over ad nausium, but it won't change reality, and we all know reality can be a *bleep*, but what can you do.
DT isn't exactly convienient for me either, and I'm in Denmark.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Stingwray
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:10:00 -
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You will never find a time when everybody will be happy for DT to occur, your idea of staggering the DT is nice in theory but would cause more people problem.
They would have to work out when DT was each day, depending on what day in the cycle they are on, which would be extremely annoying.
We all know that DT is at that time so that if there is a problem then it can be shorted out, the reason it is not right at the beginning of the day here in England is that you have to give sometime to the employees to get in, and get ready.
Just accept that this is when its going to be, and think of something else to do in that time, the world doesn't revolve around eve.
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Genesis Kiiths
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:10:00 -
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I think its a good idea, for us who live in New Zealand we are getting the down time at 11-12 at night.. which is really when most people are playing... T-T
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:12:00 -
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This has been discussed billions of times, it won't happen because CCP will do it at the best time for them, which has been 11GMT for years and years
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 10:34:03
Originally by: Cadela Fria
This is the second thread you make about this, and thus i'll repeat what I said last time:
If it 'aint you aussie boys and girls getting the fork, it's someone else if you change it.
If it really means that much to you, move to another country tbh - Sorry I mean no disrespect, I really don't, but this argument is getting old. The work hours are as they are in London, and thats just the reality of things.
You can repeat it over and over ad nausium, but it won't change reality, and we all know reality can be a *bleep*, but what can you do.
DT isn't exactly convienient for me either, and I'm in Denmark.
Mate I am trying to be constructive and trying to offer constructive solutions to an ongoing issue for those of us on the +10 timeline. The suggestion that its you and will always be you so deal with it isn't very constructive IMHO.
Throwing ones hand up in the air going bah too hard doesnt help anyone, and by your own admissions this is a commonly raised issue, ignoring it won't make it obviously doesn't make it go away.
Oh and this is the second thread cause the first one got locked, apparently I was ranting sorry for that, trying very hard to be constructive this time.
EDIT: To the poster above, the reason it has been discussed a billion times is because it is an issue to a large player base. And it is so much of an issue I know of players that have left/not signed up after trial because of it.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:41:00 -
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HAY THE AUSSIES ARE SERIOUS OKAY!!
Also, IBTL.
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Drako Krakin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drako Krakin on 03/04/2007 10:48:48
Alternative idea (with an equal chance of happening)
Talk to the powers that be in the Australian government. Very politely ask them to change the time in Australia. Explain to them that if they can change the workday to be during the hours of darkness/semi-darkness, then that would clear more time up for family and the beach. Governments are real big on family issues. DonĘt mention Eve or they may instantly say no. I mean why change all work habits of a country just for a more convenient game time for a selection of players. Make it about the family.
Basically, I am pointing out that your changes only list how it helps you. List some things about how it helps CCP. ie longer weekends for employees, more time in preparation often equals less time on fast fixes because something was missed
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Melted
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:56:58
Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
Assuming you are correct, why doesn't dt commence at 0900? Seems to me you are just trying to justify it in its current form to protect yourself from possible impact of a scheduling change. I can understand why you are worried, we go through it every night.
I am just trying for a fairer deal for those of us on or around +10 GMT timeline. I don't think that is too much to ask.
DT doesnt commence at 9 because they want a coffee first when they get to work 
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Robdon
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:48:00 -
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The coders should sort out their routines so that we don't need down time.
Its ridicules that there is 1hr of down time every day.
It needs to be coded correctly, so that it doesn't need taking down.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:49:00 -
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London England. You know the place you Aussies came from? Well that is where the servers are located, and maintained by a support staff.
I got news for you, brits dont work at night, they rather be home watching tv or at the Pubs.
Now if the servers were in Melborne, well then sure lets change it to a convient time for the support staff to work on it.
Untill then, remember your playing on a server that is "Up" here and not down under.
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Dai007
Caldari
Crabbs
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:52:00 -
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NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
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Rico Naginata
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:54:00 -
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There is really no point in continuing this thread, the point is moot as DT is not influenced by players but by the staff who have to keep your game running.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:27:00 -
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Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining.
So what would you prefer? Set it at midnight GMT...Oh wait - Then the americans would whine.
I know.....set it at 10pm GMT - Oh wait - Then the Europeans would whine.
DT cannot be scheduled to be fair to one timezone, without being unfair to the other. The only way around it would be to set it at a convenient time for the company and employees. Work usually commenses at 9am....but - You're telling me the first thing the ccp employees would do, would be to reboot a server, and immediately start working on a patch? Come on.
11 am is a good time to start dt. Hell - it screws it up for European players anyhow. So stop complaining.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:30:00 -
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I like to know when downtime is so I don;nt have to think about if I can login to change my skills, if I know its at same time everyday its alot easier to work around changiong the time all over would just cause frustration for so many.
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Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
London England. You know the place you Aussies came from? Well that is where the servers are located, and maintained by a support staff.
I got news for you, brits dont work at night, they rather be home watching tv or at the Pubs.
Hey, I live in england and work nights, and as many others have stated the servers are based in london, so the DT will be at a time which is suitable for the CCP staff here...
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dai007
NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
Oh please. More often than not down-time is extended by an hour or two. So STFU.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Dai007
NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
Oh please. More often than not down-time is extended by an hour or two. So STFU.
actually, 9 times out of 10, the servers up early. Only recently has it been delayed, due to hotfixes.
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:02:00 -
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Here's a radical Idea.
Why not design the software so that it can run for more than 24 hours.
looking at uptime on some of our servers I see numbers like 2.5 years
hehe , ok so maybe our stuff isnt so advanced , but 95% availablity truly sucks , most organisations mesure there availability to number of 9 after decimal place. 99.99% etc
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Tom Shandy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Robdon
The coders should sort out their routines so that we don't need down time.
Its ridicules that there is 1hr of down time every day.
It needs to be coded correctly, so that it doesn't need taking down.
lol
Try giving advice to the DEVS when you actuallyknow how the biggest gaming cluster in the world works.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:08:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Kassidus
FFS
QFT!- Post of the year! You win eve!
Back on topic. Im East coast Aust as well. I think you are going to be fighting an uphill battle on this one. Basically ccp have the choice of ****ing off a few convicts or alot of pratty Euro's and Yanks.
Just utilise d/t to actually catch up on RL- talk to the wife, put out the garbage, get up and away from your pc- you have probably been on it since getting home from work/uni/school/centrelink and I advise you to take this time to shower, shave and troll the eve-o forums etc.
Also you forgot to mention our friendly cuz's across the pond. Im sure there is some power supply to some of the primitive natives of NZ that is not being used for sheep shears...
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 07/01/2007 14:24:00
Originally by: Sonos SAGD
he is laying guys
The trouble a misplaced vowel can get you into...
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:13:00 -
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Making DT go each day one hour later or early will certainly bug people alot more, skill changes/plans/ops will be affected alot more by that. 1 hour is nothing, when i agent run 1 hour is a great time to go find something to eat.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Marquis Dean on 03/04/2007 12:09:56
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Basically ccp have the choice of ****ing off a few convicts or alot of pratty Euro's and Yanks.
I don't think the entire European and US playerbase is pratty, just because we don't agree that the devs should have to work stupid hours to satisfy your powergaming cravings.
And how did '****ing' evade the profanity filter?
edit: Oh, right, yeah. Lol.
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Fracking Beach
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
QFT. TD Shchedule timing has been discussed so many times that dead horses are crying more than baby Jesus.
Like the above poster said - the Reason is simple: The DT has to happen when CCP has people working at the office. |
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Edited by: Marquis Dean on 03/04/2007 12:09:56
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Basically ccp have the choice of ****ing off a few convicts or alot of pratty Euro's and Yanks.
I don't think the entire European and US playerbase is pratty, just because we don't agree that the devs should have to work stupid hours to satisfy your powergaming cravings.
And how did '****ing' evade the profanity filter?
edit: Oh, right, yeah. Lol.
 Sarcasm not a strong point I see...
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 07/01/2007 14:24:00
Originally by: Sonos SAGD
he is laying guys
The trouble a misplaced vowel can get you into...
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ThinUCanCatchMe
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:19:00 -
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There's at least one of these "ZOMG CCP HATEZ AUSSIES!!11!" threads every other week...
As stated many, many, MANY times before; DT isn't to suit the players, it's to suit the people doing the maintenance.
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Novemb3r
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
AHA! there's the problem! we aussies don't understand the concept of overtime anymore. Our goverment thought people actually being compensated for working at odds hours was bad for business so they changed the laws so that for the most part we don't get overtime anymore.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:27:00 -
[35]
Dt also occurs when there is fewer players online.
[well actual DT there are no players on line but YKWIM]
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Rhiannon Le'Tent
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Waxau
Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining.
Of course we're complaining.
Server shutdown from 0800 to 1400 GMT that equates to 18:00 to 0:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time. For those of us that work we have just lost a day of our months subscription due to an ill chosen update timeframe.
While the daily server shutdowns are necessary they are a real pain for those of us living on the east coast of Australia as they occur between 21:00-22:00 every day.
There isnĘt enough time between getting home from work and 21:00 to start many of the missions, so the large missions must be started after 22:00 and may run 1-3 hours depending on the missions. There is rarely enough time to get another of the missions in before having to get some sleep.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rhiannon Le'Tent
Originally by: Waxau
Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining.
Of course we're complaining.
Server shutdown from 0800 to 1400 GMT that equates to 18:00 to 0:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time. For those of us that work we have just lost a day of our months subscription due to an ill chosen update timeframe.
While the daily server shutdowns are necessary they are a real pain for those of us living on the east coast of Australia as they occur between 21:00-22:00 every day.
There isnĘt enough time between getting home from work and 21:00 to start many of the missions, so the large missions must be started after 22:00 and may run 1-3 hours depending on the missions. There is rarely enough time to get another of the missions in before having to get some sleep.
Oh my - that means for that evening, you need to bother with real life  Poor you...
However in the real world, theres this thing where people dont whine about such trivial things.
Gah the war on terror, the war in iraq, global hunger, breast cancer, eve's downtime..
spot the odd one out.
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:42:00 -
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I tried not to have a whine throughout this, I tried to be very constructive but the responses laid out here are trying the damdest to provike a whine out of me.
The majority of responses have stated that dt occurs when it suits CCP, if yous had bothered to read my initial post in its entirety to begin with you would see that I also took this into account.
You say your sick of hearing us Aussies whinge about dt, well come up with a better solution that what is currently in place and we will stop whinging about it.
While it continues to be broken, we will continue to want it fixed its that simple. So you will never hear the end of it until it changes.
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Fren Mallow
Gallente
Bluestar Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:48:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Fren Mallow on 03/04/2007 12:45:19
Hm..
Just an idea.. when is the DT for the chinese server?!
Any link to a graph? Who does there the hotfixing? People from china or also the Iceland crew? Do they "hotfix" 2 servercluster at the same time?
Maybe two or three times a week, the server boys from china could be in charge for "hotfixes" with a moved DT for the tranquility server..
I mean, where's the problem to reboot a server/having a look at the database when everything is running normal..? (outside the times when patches get applied, this should be possible)
Just an idea..
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Zilkin
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:49:00 -
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As much I feel sorry for you aussies and other weirdos. Most players are from Europe and NA and downtimes are and should be scheduled to suit their play times. |
Tarminic
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:50:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Robdon
The coders should sort out their routines so that we don't need down time.
Its ridicules that there is 1hr of down time every day.
It needs to be coded correctly, so that it doesn't need taking down.
Please explain how you would code eve to eliminate the need for downtime then.
No, seriously.
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Haxa
Confederation of Red Miners
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:55:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Dai007
NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
From what ive seen, most of the time its less then a hour
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Linerra Tedora
Amarr
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:01:00 -
[43]
1 : by staggering the downtime, you would end up with even more people complaining. Many people don't even read the forums, so would much less know that suddenly dt were during their prime time for the next 3 days or more... and therefore whine alot more.
2 : overtime pay is a [lady dog], and just who are going to pay for it? CCP certainly won't when it does not have to.
3 : Sorry you feel shafted, but you knew what you went into after you came out of trial. And yes, downtime is during my prime time most often too, and i'm not complaining, i just see it as a way to get stuff done like dinner and etc etc.
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Brom Draco
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:01:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Waxau
Originally by: Rhiannon Le'Tent
Originally by: Waxau
Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining.
Of course we're complaining.
Server shutdown from 0800 to 1400 GMT that equates to 18:00 to 0:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time. For those of us that work we have just lost a day of our months subscription due to an ill chosen update timeframe.
While the daily server shutdowns are necessary they are a real pain for those of us living on the east coast of Australia as they occur between 21:00-22:00 every day.
There isnĘt enough time between getting home from work and 21:00 to start many of the missions, so the large missions must be started after 22:00 and may run 1-3 hours depending on the missions. There is rarely enough time to get another of the missions in before having to get some sleep.
Oh my - that means for that evening, you need to bother with real life Poor you...
However in the real world, theres this thing where people dont whine about such trivial things.
Gah the war on terror, the war in iraq, global hunger, breast cancer, eve's downtime..
spot the odd one out.
Mate... we PAY to get away from the real world, dealing with work day in and out doing 10+hour days, wanting to escape into eve and have some fun - only to find that what you had been looking forward to is not available.
Of course there is the REAL WORLD - we live in it everyday, why else would you play a game other than to escape?
The issue is that I see it is that we have PAYED for a service that averyone pays equally (excluding exchange rates/currency conversion fees) for a service that we do not get equally.
Dont give me "what suits the CCP staff" as I myself work in a Service company - where we actually provide the service that our clients are paying for.
The origional post is lets try to come up with a system that would suit everyone - and be fair to everyone.
If everyone won from this change - would you complain? - I think not.
Since this is a global platform - expanding on the origional post, how about set times that change on a weekly basis rather than daily, that way there is plenty of notice for everyone - staff can be rostered to match the times (I am not sure about UK legistlation - but over hear this is ok, as it is still a set hour work week)
Week1 DT England 10am
Week2 DT USA 10am
Week3 DT Australia Eastern 10am (Western Australia 8am)
Week4 etc
If a Service company - (EVE Online is providing a service, therefore I class them in this field) is aiming at expanding its customer base, and keep on board their existing customers, they have to keep with the demands of their clients.
End Rant
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:08:00 -
[45]
Man the Aussies have been complaining about this since the servers went live in 2003. I doubt anything is going to change.
I am dissapointed with the DT in general. I wish they implemented a better db system that didnt need daily downtimes. The MMO's I played before EvE required a single, weekly DT. We can only hope.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:10:00 -
[46]
DT is timed to suit the people who work on the cluster, not you and you may not realise it but these people actually have lives outside of work.
You're asking them to mess up their routines and free time just so you can play a computer game.
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Krexus
Amarr
Reunited
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:10:00 -
[47]
there is no "downtime" eve just needs some sleep 1 hour a day !
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Summer River
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:11:00 -
[48]
Awwwwww, poor widdle put upon Aussie.
Personaly I think the current DT is perfectly timed. It means that I can arrive home from work, play the game for about 4-5 hours, have dinner at 11pm and head to bed, ready for work the next day.
Oh, BTW, I am in New Zealand. You know, the coutry that CAN play rugby and win, unlike the Queensland Braindeads and the NSW Bunchatards..... sorry, I mean the Queensland Reds and the NSW Blues
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Talkie Toaster
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:27:00 -
[49]
I can totaly understand why the aussies are upset about the times of the reboot. for the hour i susppose its not so bad, but when you take it down for 3 or 4 hours during a players peak time that they are still paying for it must get frustrating.
i wonder how long it would be before the uk and surrounding timezone were complaining if these updates were done on sunday afternoons when the amount online is at its peak. we in the uk and surrounding sozes get quite lucky in that they are always done midweek at lunchtime when the majority of us are at work or at school. we dont miss out on the game because we cant be playing it anyway.
However. from an operational point of view, i totaly understand why its done when it is. Whenever we reboot any of the servers or automation systems here (TV station) we always do it around 10-1200 so that should we have any problems we have all afternoon to get it right again. and this is from a group of people that work shifts and dodgy hours as it is. for those at CCP who do 9-5 the motivation to not be there at 5:05 is even greater.
what really is the solution though. the only viable way around it would be to move the reboot times by 12 hours every week. that way one timezone gets the low blow one week while anotther gets it the next. the problem then comes in the form of overtime to staff, engineers, contacts with switcher companies and the like. though most of these services are open 24/7, they are predominatly staffed best during normal working hours of 8-6.
if the server went down at 19:00 GMT for a reboot and they couldnt fix it because of lack of personnel we all know exactly what would happen. people would be all over the forum like a rash complaining that it be moved back.
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Gralg Merglen
Minmatar
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:51:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Gralg Merglen on 03/04/2007 13:48:37
OMG ITS MY ONLY DAY OFF THIS WEEK AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A PATCHDAY NERF DOWNTIMES PLZ CCP!!!! 
this is basically how i feel (yes it really is the only day i have off this week, gutted), but overblown to the level of your *****ing about DT being oh so late for you. so you're in another timezone. you have 2 choices, move to europe, or work nightshift :P
edit: make that 3, stop complaining.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.03 13:55:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Andrue on 03/04/2007 13:52:11
I can understand the OP's complaint but unfortunately their solution will just make things work. A constantly changing DT will confuse the the hell out of people. I bet it will even annoy the OP after a while. I know that if I had to put up with an hourly break during prime-time I'd rather it was at the same time every day so that I could plan around it.
It is a great shame that we need a daily DT but we do and that's that. If the OP wants to propose an alternative time for DT let them choose another one that offers these advantages:
* Occurs during UK office hours so that server staff can carry out the DT as part of normal working duties without incurring overtime costs.
* Occurs when most players are otherwise engaged (European players are at school/work, North American players are asleep.
I feel sorry for those people for whom DT is in prime time but I reckon that for over three-quarters of the playerbase DT is almost perfectly placed. Heck - even at the weekend it's pretty much lunch-time so Europeans can cover it by taking a meal break.
This isn't about "CCP hate the Aussies". It's about "CCP wants to avoid inconveniencing the majority of the players".
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Logi3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:03:00 -
[52]
As already said:
A) Its around CCP Hours in London
B) Its also at the least popular play time
C) 5-10 years from now Austraila will be a uninhabital country due to global warming, problem solved ;)
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.03 14:17:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Andrue
* Occurs during UK office hours so that server staff can carry out the DT as part of normal working duties without incurring overtime costs.
This is perhaps the most important point of the whole argument. Personally, I'd rather have the scheduled DT to occur when the right people are in place to see it through, rather than adjust the time to accomodate a group of players.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.03 15:34:00 -
[54]
Dear Lord baby jesus, with your little dypers and tiny legs, learnin about colours and shapes... please make our brothers from down-under realise that CCP wont change its schedule no matter how hard they whine.
thank you baby jesus, amen.
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:28:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jain Za
Dear Lord baby jesus, with your little dypers and tiny legs, learnin about colours and shapes... please make our brothers from down-under realise that CCP wont change its schedule no matter how hard they whine.
thank you baby jesus, amen.
I find it interesting that the majority of responses have proffered nothing but "bah too hard cant do it's" or posts like the above quoted one which I think really takes the cake, or the babies bottle in this case.
You have all stated that the Aussies continue to ***** about this, no bones about it we efn hate it and rightly so. You want us to stop *****ing about it be constructive and come up with a viable alternative rather than carry on with your melodramatics.
P.S ZOMG its like 1600 eve time and there is an unscheduled maint, I wonder whos doing it ... cant be ccp they dont work this late.
P.P.S
Thanks to the few for actually adding value to the whole process.
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Cambo
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Posted - 2007.04.03 16:50:00 -
[56]
would it not be possible for the aussies to play on the chinese cluster,
i suppose you could maybe make all the chinese people speak english also.
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Nahual
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:00:00 -
[57]
I'm not even ganna read it, these threads are popping up every couple of ...hours? days at the most.
GET A LIFE!
It's one hour of your day, I'm sure you'll get over it! *goes back to sleep*
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OneSock
PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:00:00 -
[58]
hold on a moment. CCP don't mess with the server every day do they ? Only patch days are the ones where things can seriously screw up. Which means the DT is mostly for (I presume) backups and general housekeeping which is unlikely to go wrong. This being the case I can't see why they can't move DT a few days a week to a later time slot. They could still keep DT at the normal time for Mon, Tue, Wed... and do any risky work during this time window ?
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2007.04.03 17:57:00 -
[59]
anyone considered ccp to get an office in australia or something
or a way that patches can be applied without downtime to everyone (its been done in other games...) or partially over a few downtimes?
miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away |
Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:56:58
Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
Assuming you are correct, why doesn't dt commence at 0900? Seems to me you are just trying to justify it in its current form to protect yourself from possible impact of a scheduling change. I can understand why you are worried, we go through it every night.
I am just trying for a fairer deal for those of us on or around +10 GMT timeline. I don't think that is too much to ask.
I mean no disrecprt when i say this but
EVE was deisgned for US/Eurpoer and then became avalible to aussies, we do not have the same times as you and no, it shouldnt be changed, devs should not have top eb called into work at 12 midnight to fix a probelm
NO NO AND NO
Move to europe :)
Some of EVE's best PvPers are aussies.
And it really does **** me off to see a '6pm -> midnight' downtime, with a 1hr playtime, followed by a "2am->4am" secondary downtime.
It's not a monthly occurance, its weekly, we're paying for a 'lesser' service to a degree, and anyone saying boohoo, should really stfu, that's not a contribution towards the thread.
CCP doesn't need downtimes every day, it's simply not possible to have the servers that unstable that they can't run a solid week.
God I hope this is under 24kb
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JamesTalon
Caldari
Electric Fury Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:43:00 -
[61]
If they tried to run the servers without rebooting, as I believe its been stated in the past for threads such as this, after I think 36 hours the servers start to suffer incredibly, causing lag and a whole flurry of other things. The once a day downtime is to let them do minor maintenance and fixes to the server, as well as get them ready for the next 23 hours. I admit, the downtime for me is somewhere around 7am so it doesn't affect me much, but as has been said, that time has maybe 6-9 thousand players on. Move it later, and you start affected 10-15+ thousand players.
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 18:48:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Chequrself
While it continues to be broken, we will continue to want it fixed its that simple. So you will never hear the end of it until it changes.
It's not broken its daily downtime! Can you not understand that? You think it's broken? How? Just because it's at a bad time for you does not make it broken.
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 20:23:00 -
[63]
Originally by: JamesTalon
If they tried to run the servers without rebooting, as I believe its been stated in the past for threads such as this, after I think 36 hours the servers start to suffer incredibly, causing lag and a whole flurry of other things. The once a day downtime is to let them do minor maintenance and fixes to the server, as well as get them ready for the next 23 hours. I admit, the downtime for me is somewhere around 7am so it doesn't affect me much, but as has been said, that time has maybe 6-9 thousand players on. Move it later, and you start affected 10-15+ thousand players.
13k usually, up to 21k sometimes.
God I hope this is under 24kb
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.03 20:49:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Chequrself
You have all stated that the Aussies continue to ***** about this, no bones about it we efn hate it and rightly so. You want us to stop *****ing about it be constructive and come up with a viable alternative rather than carry on with your melodramatics.
That's the problem, there is no viable alternative. At least none that doesn't screw things up for everyone else in the world.
So harden up. 
/Ben
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:21:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 05/04/2007 08:17:58
Originally by: Proxay
Some of EVE's best PvPers are aussies.
Says you, I'm not buying that for a second
Originally by: Proxay
And it really does **** me off to see a '6pm -> midnight' downtime, with a 1hr playtime, followed by a "2am->4am" secondary downtime.
Tough beans
Originally by: Proxay
It's not a monthly occurance, its weekly, we're paying for a 'lesser' service to a degree, and anyone saying boohoo, should really stfu, that's not a contribution towards the thread.
Then heres what you do --> STOP PAYING IF YOU DONT LIKE IT
You keep saying that you dont want people saying "Boohoo" etc. Well sorry but disagreeing with you is just as valid as agreeing with. If you can't deal with the reality that many a people just don't see it your way, thats your problem - Not ours, so stop telling us what we can and can't say.
The fact and REALITY of this problem, is that the OFFICE where the Eve CLUSTER is, has work hours when it's being pulled down for DT. That is not a matter of "What suits CCP", thats a matter of "This is when people in London, are at WORK!".
It's like trying to buy a pair of shoes at 10 PM, YOU CANT, because guess what, NOBODY'S AT WORK!
And like before, if you aren't getting the fork, someone else will, simple as that. Now like I said earlier, if you genuinely are so dissatisfied with it, then I strongly URGE you to reconsider paying for this game.
I don't mean "STFU" with what I'm saying, but you aren't making ANY good arguments, much less open to the other side of the story and the reality of working hours.
Originally by: Proxay
CCP doesn't need downtimes every day, it's simply not possible to have the servers that unstable that they can't run a solid week.
Who the HELL made you CCP's EVE Cluster expert all of a sudden hm?
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Locus Bey
Gallente
Qalandar
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Posted - 2007.04.05 08:56:00 -
[66]
I really don't see what the problem is. With Daylight Saving an hr earlier, DT is 9-10 pm, thats plenty of time, before and after if you live in Australia. And yes, unfortunately, I am an Australian
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.04.05 09:00:00 -
[67]
When an Australian company creates and maintains an MMO. I would expect their downtimes to be in normal business hours for an Australian company.
I would expect no less from a US based, UK based, Japan Based, Africa based....you get the point.
I would not scream and moan that the downtime is inconvenient for me.
I personally am located in the US, but my night shift hours mean that I run into the DT every day. About 3 hours before I am going to sleep. So I lose that same hour as my Australian friends.
No skin off my back, and I don't demand it to be changed.
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Zzleeper
Amarr
levisomnus spectatrix
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Posted - 2007.04.05 10:09:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Zzleeper on 05/04/2007 10:05:49
Originally by: Proxay
Some of EVE's best PvPers are aussies.
And it really does **** me off to see a '6pm -> midnight' downtime, with a 1hr playtime, followed by a "2am->4am" secondary downtime.
It's not a monthly occurance, its weekly, we're paying for a 'lesser' service to a degree, and anyone saying boohoo, should really stfu, that's not a contribution towards the thread.
CCP doesn't need downtimes every day, it's simply not possible to have the servers that unstable that they can't run a solid week.
I can clearly see that you never bothered to read the EULA, you should sometime ;)
Cheaters never prosper! (only in EVE it seems)
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