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Boozbaz
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2016.11.29 04:38:32 -
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Has anybody heard what CCP is planning to do to rebalance medium autocannons?
After the reblance, will the stabber be on the same playing field as the other attack cruisers?
Also... is the stabber really THAT bad? I saw this video on reddit called "The Zkill Guide To The Stabber" and it literally says the stabber is the laughing stock of the cruisers. What do you think?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5f5t9t/the_zkill_guide_to_the_stabber/ |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1510
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Posted - 2016.11.29 11:31:10 -
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If you subscribe to rhiloads youtube channel and watch all his "guides" you will notice that all the ships in EVE are bad and if it wasn't for that hilariously funny narrators voice, the videos would not even be half as funny to watch.
So take the videos with a little bit of salt.
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Boozbaz
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2016.11.29 13:56:40 -
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That's not true. One month ago he released a vid on the typhoon (https://youtu.be/ggRNBtgKEfU) and says the following: "most ships get the choice between good tracking, good alpha, good rate of fire, good DPS, or good drone bay, but the typhoon gets all of these things. It is also the fastest battleship in the game." So I call bullshit on your claim that all ships in Eve are portrayed as bad in his videos. Not only does the skill guide say that the stabber sucks, but so do many other people. I just want to know if the stabber truly does suck, and there is good reason to raise this question when we now have alpha clones and as far as I know, stabbers haven't been touched in years. |
Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
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Posted - 2016.11.29 14:05:55 -
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I know the Vagabond needs a lowslot moved to a mid. It's just embarrassing to have a shield cruiser slotted for armor. I don't know about the Stabber Fleet, if people prefer it armor slotted like that, but the Vagabond cries out for an extra mid . Other than that I don't think there's anything wrong with them. The Eagle gets six, there's no reason the Vagabond can't have five.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Boozbaz
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2016.11.29 14:14:36 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:I know the Vagabond needs a lowslot moved to a mid. It's just embarrassing to have a shield cruiser slotted for armor. I don't know about the Stabber Fleet, if people prefer it armor slotted like that, but the Vagabond cries out for an extra mid . Other than that I don't think there's anything wrong with them. The Eagle gets six, there's no reason the Vagabond can't have five.
I agree with that, but we're not talking about the vagabond. We're talking about the stabber, and medium autocannons. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.11.29 15:24:50 -
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Medium ACs are bad. That's a pretty non-controversial statement at this point. There hasn't been a public announcement on plans to fix them. If you have any, F&I would probably be a good place to put them rather than ships and mods.
But if you want more people shitting on the Stabber, this is pretty good stuff:
Quote:Stabber (Trash Tier): This ship is pretty much a big frigate, unable to fight anything else. ItGÇÖs supposed to be some type of kiting ship but it doesnGÇÖt have the power grid to fit artillery or the range to kite with AC. Horrible DPS, horrible tank and pretty much outclassed by every single other cruiser. Sorry Chessur, it is not a good ship.
So yeah. It's a big frigate. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1511
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Posted - 2016.11.29 15:28:56 -
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So lore wise that ship looks okay to me.
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Boozbaz
Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2016.11.29 17:28:43 -
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Skip to 17:30 in the video https://youtu.be/vK3DjtpRhsE
CCPFozzie said at EVE Vegas:
"Also high on our priority list, there's some medium weapon systems that are both um, some are a bit too powerful, some are a bit, uhhh, underpowered. Rapid light missile launchers are a bit too strong right now. We're going to be taking a look at that; which is, of course, heavily connected to the Orthrus and some of the power there. Heavy missiles need s-some more looks. We've done some passes on them not too long ago, but we're going to be giving them some more looks. And medium autocannons are bit underpowered right now, so we're going to be giving them a uh, pass as well. So those are all high on our priority list." |
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
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Posted - 2016.11.29 17:44:18 -
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Nooo, don't nerf rapid lights. |
Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2016.11.29 18:01:25 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:Nooo, don't nerf rapid lights.
C'mon CCP can't have a missile system be competative. |
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1511
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Posted - 2016.11.29 19:23:47 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:Nooo, don't nerf rapid lights.
If they didn't over-nerf heavy missiles, they would still be assault launchers.
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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
12
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Posted - 2016.11.30 22:20:13 -
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The Stabber really isn't so bad, it just gets outshined by so many other ships for the roles it can fill. It is the AF of Cruisers :-).
But like many other ships in eve, in groups they still are quite deadly. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
317
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Posted - 2016.12.01 07:00:20 -
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Stabber is a good bait ship actually, better with cyno becuase it can't hold tank for long time for gang to warp in from to far away, so ideally it's cyno fit so the gang can jump in to cyno.
The reason why it works is because 1) people think it's sh1t (which is probably true) 2) it has 'reputation' for being a kitey ship, so people are happy to approach it closer than they should because they are concerned you will burn away and escape
Basically, you bait with Stabber by pretending to run away, in which case eager people will try to chase you down before you gain your top speed (which, to be fair, is pretty good). That's when you do a full stop/crazy ivan to land a scram+web and let your mates jump in.
People are weary of scram fit tackle Vaga, but less so about a Stabber. I'm not saying it's the best ship for the job, but it does work in some cases precisely because it's expected to be sh1t and squishy and kitey.
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Kethen T'val
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
22
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Posted - 2016.12.01 11:30:57 -
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Im happy with the Stabber. Its a fun ship and thats all that matters |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1515
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Posted - 2016.12.01 20:57:17 -
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Toobo wrote:Stabber is a good bait ship actually, better with cyno....
boooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111eleven
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Onictus
DaTaFuqer
952
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Posted - 2016.12.02 07:12:47 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Skip to 17:30 in the video https://youtu.be/vK3DjtpRhsE CCPFozzie said at EVE Vegas: "Also high on our priority list, there's some medium weapon systems that are both um, some are a bit too powerful, some are a bit, uhhh, underpowered. Rapid light missile launchers are a bit too strong right now. We're going to be taking a look at that; which is, of course, heavily connected to the Orthrus and some of the power there. Heavy missiles need s-some more looks. We've done some passes on them not too long ago, but we're going to be giving them some more looks. And medium autocannons are bit underpowered right now, so we're going to be giving them a uh, pass as well. So those are all high on our priority list."
Boy its like we told him that chopping off TE's at the knees would seriously hurt ACs and to a lesser extent blasters. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
42
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Posted - 2017.02.09 19:17:49 -
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So if you guys were to rebalance medium autocannons, what would you change about them?
Do you think rebalancing the medium AC's (and nerfing RLML) will make the stabber are more "respectable" T1 cruiser in the current meta? Or would the stabber still need a little extra push to bring it up to par with the other T1 attack cruisers? (thorax, caracal, omen)
One thing I've noticed, is that CCP in the past has tried to buff the stabber by giving it a more diversified platform for damage. Most recently they gave it a full flight of light drones. And I think before that, they buffed it by giving it an extra highslot, which allows it to use 2x launchers in addition to it's 4x turrets. So it seems that their rebalancing efforts have been to diversify the stabbers methods of dishing out damage, which is pretty smart in my opinion. |
Michael Oskold
Relentless Destruction Immediate Destruction
25
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Posted - 2017.02.09 23:37:45 -
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reduce the fitting requirements on autos/arty might help. similar to the small arty buff. fitting is brutal on auto ships as is.
in an era of hics, things that cant project outside of 30+km are dumpster tier (unless you ab/100mn) having functional artys on a fast ship that is lightly tanked would be amusing. takes skill to use without a tracking bonus.
a slight damage buff might be required but i havent checked numbers. you have the advantage of damage choice(mostly) but to kite with autos you want barrage which negates that choice. feelsbadman |
Hannah McPewPew
U2EZ
0
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Posted - 2017.02.10 04:43:20 -
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CCP knowingly nerfed tracking enhancers in an attempt to bring ACs inline with blasters even though blasters got more tracking, more damage and better reload time during the revamp. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
44
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Posted - 2017.02.10 04:58:50 -
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Yeah I've read in a lot of places that a big contributing factor to this issue was the TE nerf. |
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1901
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Posted - 2017.02.10 08:45:46 -
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elitatwo wrote:If you subscribe to rhiloads youtube channel and watch all his "guides" you will notice that all the ships in EVE are bad. All ships but the "Cheater-Pirates".
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
366
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Posted - 2017.02.10 09:21:39 -
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Slight power grid buff on stabber would go a long way to make it more interesting. |
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