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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:29:24 -
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EVE has always been free to play if you aren't bad.
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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:44:35 -
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it wasn't free. someone paid for that plex you use. |
Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:51:22 -
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Forum Toon wrote:it wasn't free. someone paid for that plex you use.
Free to me.
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Rutger Centemus
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:20:23 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Forum Toon wrote:it wasn't free. someone paid for that plex you use. Free to me. Do you perchance mine your own minerals? |
Kojee
Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten.
49
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:25:44 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Free to me.
So your time is worthless then. Cool.
Hey... by the way... wanna build me a pyramid? I hear your labor rates are super cheap. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:27:22 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:EVE has always been free to play if you aren't bad.
Sexy Cakes wrote:Free to me.
Logic dictates that if both statements are true, you aren't t bad. Is that true?
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:34:36 -
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Rutger Centemus wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Forum Toon wrote:it wasn't free. someone paid for that plex you use. Free to me. Do you perchance mine your own minerals?
How did I know this comment would be forthcoming.
So I'll explain my concept of 'free'.
My job pays me X amount of dollars per month.
My bills cost me Y amount of dollars per month.
The left over dollars per month are Z.
X - Y = Z
Nowhere in that equation does EVE factor in. Not once. The real world cost of me playing EVE represented monetarily is zero dollars.
As far as my time goes I remote desktop from work and AFK rat so touche.
Even when I didn't remote desktop I ran level 4's in highsec or explored in lowsec and enjoyed doing so while also making enough ISK to PLEX my accounts. So my enjoyment netted me enough ISK to pay for the game with in game currency.
Any more questions?
Not today spaghetti.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.12.02 18:56:39 -
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So if you don't like to grind then you're bad? |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:01:22 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote: EVE has always been free to play if you aren't bad.
As far as my time goes I remote desktop from work and AFK rat so touche.
I have a career that doesn't allow playing games in the workplace.
That apparently makes me bad ...bad what, BTW?
Nah, take mah money, CCP!
--Gadget Fry
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1150
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:07:17 -
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Rutger Centemus wrote:Do you perchance mine your own minerals? Classic! |
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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:20:50 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote: EVE has always been free to play if you aren't bad.
As far as my time goes I remote desktop from work and AFK rat so touche.
I have a career that doesn't allow playing games in the workplace. That apparently makes me bad ...bad what, BTW? Nah, take mah money, CCP! --Gadget Fry
You fail to read the section after that about my enjoyment providing enough ISK to play for free?
Nah, just pick out single sentences and take them out of context.
Not today spaghetti.
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Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:25:15 -
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Go home carebear, you're drunk. |
Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:31:25 -
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Galaxy Duck wrote:Go home carebear, you're drunk.
Drunk on really expensive whiskey from all the savings I have from not paying CCP money.
Not today spaghetti.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2014
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:36:05 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote: EVE has always been free to play if you aren't bad.
As far as my time goes I remote desktop from work and AFK rat so touche.
I have a career that doesn't allow playing games in the workplace. That apparently makes me bad ...bad what, BTW? Nah, take mah money, CCP! --Gadget Fry You fail to read the section after that about my enjoyment providing enough ISK to play for free? Nah, just pick out single sentences and take them out of context. The rest boiled down to "I like carebearing." Personally, if I cared to I could PLEX easily as well. But I don't because I can't be bothered. And really most of the RL people I know who sell PLEX in game are better than I am in the game by a wide margin. The effort and skill they put into what they do far outweighs my own, but they can't be bothered to PvE. They shoot people and often take losses when doing so.
The idea that being good at eve means in any way prioritizing earning PLEX misses the sandbox concept wholeheartedly. |
Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:44:24 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:The rest boiled down to "I like carebearing." Personally, if I cared to I could PLEX easily as well. But I don't because I can't be bothered. Don't like feeling obligated to play for any specific period of time. And really most of the RL people I know who sell PLEX in game are better than I am in the game by a wide margin. The effort and skill they put into what they do far outweighs my own, but they can't be bothered to PvE. They shoot people and often take losses when doing so.
The idea that being good at eve means in any way prioritizing earning PLEX misses the sandbox concept wholeheartedly.
The point I'm making is that if you aren't bad you don't have to spend all day PvE'ing. There's a million ways to make a billion a month with absolute minimal effort. Just because I provide trash talkers with my methods of making ISK doesn't mean that's all I'm referring to, I feel like I need a box of crayons to explain things to you people so here goes...
IF YOU CAN'T MANAGE TO MAKE ENOUGH ISK IN ONE MONTH TO PURCHASE A PLEX THEN YOU ARE BAD AT EVE.
Not today spaghetti.
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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:46:41 -
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OP, there is a difference between no net cost and free. You are the former, Alpha accounts are the latter. Continue enjoying your delusions. |
Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:50:02 -
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Estuary Algaert wrote:OP, there is a difference between no net cost and free. You are the former, Alpha accounts are the latter. Continue enjoying your delusions.
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+free
adverb 1. without cost or payment. "ladies were admitted free" synonyms:without charge, free of charge, for nothing;
Not today spaghetti.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2014
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:50:16 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:The point I'm making is that if you aren't bad you don't have to spend all day PvE'ing. There's a million ways to make a billion a month with absolute minimal effort. Just because I provide trash talkers with my methods of making ISK doesn't mean that's all I'm referring to, I feel like I need a box of crayons to explain things to you people so here goes...
IF YOU CAN'T MANAGE TO MAKE ENOUGH ISK IN ONE MONTH TO PURCHASE A PLEX THEN YOU ARE BAD AT EVE. And I just pointed out that some don't PvE AT ALL. That's not their thing. They engage purely in loss driving activities and CBA to even consider paying with PLEX. Others CBA for other reasons.
That doesn't make them bad at Eve. It just means your standard is terrible.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1150
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:51:35 -
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Even if you got a billion just for logging in once a month you wouldn't play for free if you used that billion to buy a PLEX. You could have used that billion to buy something else. Saying a PLEX bought from the spoils of one month of AFK ratting is "free" is the same as saying that Carriers are free. If Carriers are free, why doesn't everybody have some, just for ***** and giggles?
If you give something (no matter what or how you got it) to get something, that something is not free. You could argue that Eve is not very expensive. That would be very subjective but hard to refute. But when you say it's free, you are mistaken. |
u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:53:02 -
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If you earn your ISK in your free time and PLEX your account with it, then EVE is free for you $$$ wise I think OP meant free real money wise, not in-game.
I doubt all of you work and make money 24 hours a day to make that silly comparison with the minerals. Yes, it's not free time wise, but following that logic, your sleep isn't for free also.
Now, if you are real-life tycoon, you follow the maxim "time is money", work and earn money non-stop, and play EVE at the same time...Well, that's your problem. |
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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:53:43 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:The point I'm making is that if you aren't bad you don't have to spend all day PvE'ing. There's a million ways to make a billion a month with absolute minimal effort. Just because I provide trash talkers with my methods of making ISK doesn't mean that's all I'm referring to, I feel like I need a box of crayons to explain things to you people so here goes...
IF YOU CAN'T MANAGE TO MAKE ENOUGH ISK IN ONE MONTH TO PURCHASE A PLEX THEN YOU ARE BAD AT EVE. And I just pointed out that some don't PvE AT ALL. That's not their thing. They engage purely in loss driving activities and CBA to even consider paying with PLEX. Others CBA for other reasons. That doesn't make them bad at Eve. It just means your standard is terrible.
My standard is not paying people for doing a ****** job and CCP does a ****** job on this game. I still like playing it but I don't pay them money. So if you do pay them money then you are paying for them to do a ****** job and therefore and proliferating the terribleness and hence bad at EVE.
Not today spaghetti.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1150
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:57:40 -
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u3pog wrote:If you earn your ISK in your free time and PLEX your account with it, then EVE is free for you $$$ wise I think OP meant free real money wise, not in-game. I doubt all of you work and make money 24 hours a day to make that silly comparison with the minerals. Yes, it's not free time wise, but following that logic, your sleep isn't for free also. Now, if you are real-life tycoon, you follow the maxim "time is money", work and earn money non-stop, and play EVE at the same time...Well, that's your problem. It's not about the investment of time, really. If you *have* minerals - not even talking about how you got them - you could give them away, or you could sell them for ISK. If you opt to just give them away, that basically just cost you whatever those minerals were worth on the market. Same with PLEX. If you *have* a PLEX, no matter why, and you opt to use it to upgrade to Omega, that just cost you a PLEX.
Or let's put it this way: Imagine you find a hundred dollar bill just lying on the ground. That's free, right? At least as close as it gets to being free - you still have to pick it up, but let's just disregard that and say it's absolutely free. Now you take those 100 free dollars, and buy a months worth of canned dog food for it. Is that dog food free? No, of course not, you just spent a hundred dollars on it, that you could have spent otherwise. |
Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
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Posted - 2016.12.02 19:58:27 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Estuary Algaert wrote:OP, there is a difference between no net cost and free. You are the former, Alpha accounts are the latter. Continue enjoying your delusions. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+free adverb 1. without cost or payment. "ladies were admitted free" synonyms:without charge, free of charge, for nothing;
Thank you, I totally did not realize that ISK and PLEX are nothing. Let me just go dump all that since I don't need it to fund my subscription anymore. Anyone in the market for a pile of PLEX? Might even let them go cheap since I got them all about 6 years ago, seeing that I don't need them anymore.
*Runs off feeling liberated from the shackles of thinking I was still paying for my account(s)* |
u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:03:40 -
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Neuntausend wrote:It's not about the investment of time, really. If you *have* minerals - not even talking about how you got them - you could give them away, or you could sell them for ISK. If you opt to just give them away, that basically just cost you whatever those minerals were worth on the market. Same with PLEX. If you *have* a PLEX, no matter why, and you opt to use it to upgrade to Omega, that just cost you a PLEX.
Yes, so it costed you an in-game item (somebody paid for it, wasn't you though), not real money. I think the title of the thread is misleading here, EVE is not for free, it's just free of charge. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:04:01 -
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**Raises hand**
Serious question here. What's CBA?
I googled it and found: Community Bankers Association of Georgia Continental Basketball Association Christian Booksellers Assosiation
And more associations... Somehow I think this might be millennial-interweb-speak.
Please enlightened the uninformed.
Thanks, Gadget - feeling old
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:06:51 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Even if you got a billion just for logging in once a month you wouldn't play for free if you used that billion to buy a PLEX. You could have used that billion to buy something else. Saying a PLEX bought from the spoils of one month of AFK ratting is "free" is the same as saying that Carriers are free. If Carriers are free, why doesn't everybody have some, just for ***** and giggles?
If you give something (no matter what or how you got it) to get something, that something is not free. You could argue that Eve is not very expensive. That would be very subjective but hard to refute. But when you say it's free, you are mistaken.
People in this game convolute opportunity cost to justify spending their RL money on pixels worse than any other game I've played. At least when someone buys skins in real free to play games they don't have to try to lie to themselves about it and just call it a waste of money on a hobby. In EVE you tryhards think you are going fool anyone else as bad as you fool yourself into believing dropping 200 bucks on PLEX is actually a proactive thing in your life so you don't spend 3 months grinding out a super. Ya right...
Not today spaghetti.
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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:08:13 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:**Raises hand**
Serious question here. What's CBA?
I googled it and found: Community Bankers Association of Georgia Continental Basketball Association Christian Booksellers Assosiation
And more associations... Somehow I think this might be millennial-interweb-speak.
Please enlightened the uninformed.
Thanks, Gadget - feeling old
can't be asked
Not today spaghetti.
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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:09:23 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:**Raises hand**
Serious question here. What's CBA?
I googled it and found: Community Bankers Association of Georgia Continental Basketball Association Christian Booksellers Assosiation
And more associations... Somehow I think this might be millennial-interweb-speak.
Please enlightened the uninformed.
Thanks, Gadget - feeling old
I'm going with Cocoa Butter Alternatives...
Cost Benefit Analysis |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:10:34 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Even if you got a billion just for logging in once a month you wouldn't play for free if you used that billion to buy a PLEX. You could have used that billion to buy something else. Saying a PLEX bought from the spoils of one month of AFK ratting is "free" is the same as saying that Carriers are free. If Carriers are free, why doesn't everybody have some, just for ***** and giggles?
If you give something (no matter what or how you got it) to get something, that something is not free. You could argue that Eve is not very expensive. That would be very subjective but hard to refute. But when you say it's free, you are mistaken. People in this game convolute opportunity cost to justify spending their RL money pixels worse than any other game I've played. At least when someone buys skins in real free to play games they don't have to try to lie to themselves about it and just call it a waste of money on a hobby. In EVE you tryhards think you are going fool anyone else as bad as you fool yourself into believing dropping 200 bucks on PLEX is actually a proactive thing in your life so you don't spend 3 months grinding out a super. Ya right...
??
This apparently has moved to a rant.
EvE is worth exactly how much I pay for it in time, cash, and will.
--Gadget
BTW, Thanks for the answers, all. Lexicon improved to level 4.
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Sexy Cakes
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Posted - 2016.12.02 20:12:29 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: ??
This apparently has moved to a rant.
EvE is worth exactly how much I pay for it in time, cash, and will.
--Gadget
Go to the grocery store and ask them if you can give your time or will to put food on the table.
Not today spaghetti.
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