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NickyYo StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge 31	Posted - 2011.12.24 23:48:00 - [1] - Quote The game has been alive same amount of time as WoW and that game is starting to die. My question is will EVE be here for another 10 years what do you think?
T' Elk Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 201	Posted - 2011.12.24 23:54:00 - [2] - Quote Probably not. But if it ever comes to dying, all the good players will have been long gone. God wears-áRay Ban Aviators.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Angry Mustellid 62	Posted - 2011.12.24 23:55:00 - [3] - Quote Not at the way the economy is inflating atm. If they add some hefty ISK sinks and SP sinks it could probably last a long time as its so player driven. If not 10 years more maybe, but once everyone can easily afford all but the best equipment and have almost all relevant skills to 5 there will be a lot less appeal in the game.
Eladanus Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 8	Posted - 2011.12.24 23:57:00 - [4] - Quote Hard to compare them really. WoW has so many more players than EVE, so even if people say it's starting to die it still has many many times more players than EVE. From what I gather the EVE player base goes up and down, but unless CCP messes something big up again soon I can't see things changing for a while. Plenty of new players seem to be joining EVE anyway, judging by the help channel at least. 10 years on.. who knows? Perhaps even WoW wont be around in 10 years.
Roh Voleto Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2011.12.24 23:58:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, EVE will die. Everything dies. No, the game we are playing now will not be around in ten years. But, I hope there will still be a product called EVE Online, and I also hope that it will be something most of us will still be able to enjoy.
Doc Fury Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 58	Posted - 2011.12.25 00:01:00 - [6] - Quote Games can hemorrhage a lot before they die. You will know for certain when EVE is dying when Chribba leaves. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Roh Voleto Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2011.12.25 00:05:00 - [7] - Quote I hope Chribba's obsession with EVE will die long before the game. Both, for his, and for EVE's sake. Of course, this is just my own obsession talking.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 77	Posted - 2011.12.25 01:13:00 - [8] - Quote Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death.
Red Teufel Blackened Skies 14	Posted - 2011.12.25 01:20:00 - [9] - Quote depends on CCPs actions. if they don't keep adapting keep improving or making a whole new eve game. EvE will eventually die. so far they have been ahead of their time. when dust comes out and it's a huge hit you will see EvE in its prime. Let us hope they keep up their creative ideas to keep this game going for years to come.
Cipher Jones 191	Posted - 2011.12.25 01:21:00 - [10] - Quote NickyYo wrote: The game has been alive same amount of time as WoW and that game is starting to die. My question is will EVE be here for another 10 years what do you think? Not sure how its starting to die, as its profits are up (and astronomical). Eve will be here as long as it can. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.

Ioci Space Mermaids 26	Posted - 2011.12.25 01:28:00 - [11] - Quote Yep, it will. When it is no longer profitable, it will die.
NickyYo StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge 31	Posted - 2011.12.25 01:48:00 - [12] - Quote rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. I'm an atheist, i see Christmas differently.
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 109	Posted - 2011.12.25 01:54:00 - [13] - Quote Eve will never die, but it will kill the players involved with it. That happened to me once. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
mkint 491	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:14:00 - [14] - Quote EVE will die when it becomes self evident that EVE is for RMTers. EVE is only ever 6 months from dying, as that's the average turnover rate for new players. When CCP can learn how to upgrade "6 months" to "lifetime" then it can be said EVE will never die. Of course, the CCPers who have the power to extend the life of EVE seem intent on driving it into the ground, but I'm not in the mood to bash the dev decisions that prioritize the profitability of RMTing mega-alliances over the good of the game, but just that there has been zero indication from above that the RMT-loving devs will ever change.
Jonathan Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 17	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:24:00 - [15] - Quote T' Elk wrote: Probably not. But if it ever comes to dying, all the good players will have been long gone. Actually, they all left and are waiting for me to join them. I'm the ghost of EVE past.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 682	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:27:00 - [16] - Quote Only if they pull a incarna sized screw up 2.0 followed by 3.0 and 4.0. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Marduk Nibiru Physical Chaos Skunk Works. 11	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:43:00 - [17] - Quote NickyYo wrote: rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. I'm an atheist, i see Christmas differently. Then you should be able to appreciate this: entropy is universal. BTW, pretty sure EvE existed first. ;)
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:50:00 - [18] - Quote rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. Yes! We shouldn't be talking about death on the day that the Buddha was born
Valei Khurelem House Khurelem 26	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:54:00 - [19] - Quote As long as CCP don't take the SWG route and say, put something like the Nex Store in permanently, EVE Online will as much as I'm in a love/hate thing with the game, continue to thrive, that's the way of sandboxes, even if the devs stop development ( Which I doubt they will considering how it's sustained them for so long ) there are still people who simply enjoy messing around in the universe they created. Just looked at Morrowind and Oblivion, still quite a few people playing it because of all the mods that have been put out and how even exploring can be just fun by itself, speaking of which I like exploring in EVE, I just need to develop some patience for it and get used to the damn interface.
Nyx Na'gorg Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz 7	Posted - 2011.12.25 06:59:00 - [20] - Quote EvE Never Fades.

White Tree Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 661	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:03:00 - [21] - Quote I think the game hasn't even peaked yet. There's still too much raw potential. One day I hope there'll be some sort of golden change that will magically unjumble the UI and the newbie experience and make the game much easier to play.
Xander Yavorsky Shadow Naval Industries The Grundle Kings 0	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:06:00 - [22] - Quote rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. You do know he wasn't born in 11 AD right? Or even actually in December. Look it up, he was born in they think March. The church voted to celebrate it on the same day as Sol Invictus and Bruma in the 300 ADs. And don't be off topic! You're making me be off topic! Enough talking about religion, on this day, in 2011, a game name EVE is still played.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 79	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:14:00 - [23] - Quote Xander Yavorsky wrote: rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. You do know he wasn't born in 11 AD right? Or even actually in December. Look it up, he was born in they think March. The church voted to celebrate it on the same day as Sol Invictus and Bruma in the 300 ADs. And don't be off topic! You're making me be off topic! Enough talking about religion, on this day, in 2011, a game name EVE is still played. Jesus isnt a historian he doesnt care about all that. He only cares that we keep consumerism high on the holidays. <- he was a carpenter so he likes the extra business the holidays brings. How do you think Joseph could afford to take his family to egypt if it wasnt for black friday and cyber monday.
Nyx Na'gorg Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz 7	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:24:00 - [24] - Quote White Tree wrote: I think the game hasn't even peaked yet. There's still too much raw potential. One day I hope there'll be some sort of golden change that will magically unjumble the UI and the newbie experience and make the game much easier to play. I would have to agree, we haven't even reached the original vision of EvE from when they first started it in their garage.
Bane Loppknow Aliastra Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:39:00 - [25] - Quote It might. If it does, it will be a long time from now. I think that EVE, due to its nature, has an extended lifespan. One that can be further extended, given proper TLC.
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor 6	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:46:00 - [26] - Quote Anything that has a beginning has an end. All it takes is one bad move and poor leadership, we'll see if the turn around is a close call. On another note while mining I press Ctrl F9 and marvel at the new back drop, well done CCP.
White Tree Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 662	Posted - 2011.12.25 07:58:00 - [27] - Quote I also think Crucible is what happens when the playerbase freaks CCP out a bit. Crucible owned and if the next year is as good as Crucible, well, I think there's a bright future ahead.
Skorpynekomimi E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector 18	Posted - 2011.12.25 08:08:00 - [28] - Quote If people keep paying, it will keep going. If they don't pull another incarna and get complacent, people will pay.
Ezekiel DeSangre Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.12.25 08:16:00 - [29] - Quote Xander Yavorsky wrote: rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. You do know he wasn't born in 11 AD right? Or even actually in December. Look it up, he was born in they think March. The church voted to celebrate it on the same day as Sol Invictus and Bruma in the 300 ADs. And don't be off topic! You're making me be off topic! Enough talking about religion, on this day, in 2011, a game name EVE is still played. The Church couldn't stop people from celebrating the pagan holiday(s) of Yule (Yultide) so they superimposed Jesus's birthday over it.
Carniflex StarHunt Fallout Project 0	Posted - 2011.12.25 09:00:00 - [30] - Quote NickyYo wrote: The game has been alive same amount of time as WoW and that game is starting to die. My question is will EVE be here for another 10 years what do you think? A year ago I would have answered that EVE will be definitely around in 10 years. But now, after the spring expansion, it depends, in my opinion - if CCP is able to get their act togehter. So next few years will determine the answer to your question in my opinion.

Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 259	Posted - 2011.12.25 09:27:00 - [31] - Quote EVE can't die It's in our heads...
Dr Karsun Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor 48	Posted - 2011.12.25 10:22:00 - [32] - Quote I just have one question - why do you think wow is starting to die? They AGAIN had more subscriptions at the end of the year than at the beginning... They are growing, not dieing... And eve is improving all the time, with graphics, new content and fixes, while wow is basically just getting new maps, new gear and the engine stays the same and in fact, that engine starts to hurt my eyes badly. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976
Laken Starr Integrated Astromechanics Corp. Zeta Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2011.12.25 10:36:00 - [33] - Quote If they push occasional A/V updates, I'm fairly certain that Eve will last another 12+ years. Unlike many other MMORPGs, in Eve it is the players who make the content. This focus, coupled with the pvp nature of the game and interesting gameplay systems give it far more longevity than your standard 1234 fantasy button masher. Dr Karsun wrote: I just have one question - why do you think wow is starting to die? They AGAIN had more subscriptions at the end of the year than at the beginning... They are growing, not dieing... And eve is improving all the time, with graphics, new content and fixes, while wow is basically just getting new maps, new gear and the engine stays the same and in fact, that engine starts to hurt my eyes badly. There were some articles about a month ago stating that WoW had lost nearly 1m subs during the third quarter.
Indahmawar Fazmarai The I and F Taxation Trust 27	Posted - 2011.12.25 12:02:00 - [34] - Quote White Tree wrote: I also think Crucible is what happens when the playerbase freaks CCP out a bit. Crucible owned and if the next year is as good as Crucible, well, I think there's a bright future ahead. Maybe. In the process of fixing what was broken, they are breaking stuff again. WiS is reeking and certainly nobody is gonna wait a year before jumping on CCP's throat for flipping the bird to some of their customers. Certainly if i was Unifex I would find a spot to go the WiS thread and ease the mood a bit with some PR fluff. 60 days, 1,687 posts, and CCP still ignores the thread = trouble.
SmegB Onyx Brotherhood STR8NGE BREW 2	Posted - 2011.12.25 13:34:00 - [35] - Quote NickyYo wrote: The game has been alive same amount of time as WoW and that game is starting to die. My question is will EVE be here for another 10 years what do you think? If wow is dieing explain how they keep increasing their numbers. they are at over 10mil players. eve 300k maybe
Jeveriah Zhuchowski Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.12.25 13:45:00 - [36] - Quote There are still people out there playing Ultima Online, both on the official servers and on third party shards. Apparently, Everquest also still exists. I don't believe Eve will ever truly die... though if something else comes along that fills its unique niche (there aren't many sandbox MMOs quite so professionally produced as Eve), it could well fade, as have others before.
Velicitia Open Designs 244	Posted - 2011.12.25 14:13:00 - [37] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode
Jenshae Chiroptera 291	Posted - 2011.12.25 14:18:00 - [38] - Quote rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. Lies! Happy Yule to you all. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Roscojameson The Riot Formation 3	Posted - 2011.12.25 14:22:00 - [39] - Quote SmegB wrote: NickyYo wrote: The game has been alive same amount of time as WoW and that game is starting to die. My question is will EVE be here for another 10 years what do you think? If wow is dieing explain how they keep increasing their numbers. they are at over 10mil players. eve 300k maybe The numbers don't really have the much to do with dieing. Yes, 0 subscribers = dead, but with a niche game(i.e. EvE) the players base tends to be a lot more loyal. A lot of wow's player base is there because everyone else is there. It also has the best "hardcore" end game content for a game of its type. As soon as another game takes a good chunk of the players and another game starts to be considered the new head honcho, the rest will follow. It's human nature. It almost happened with Rift, but then they got to the end game and everyone realized the end game sucked.
Halcyon Ingenium Warm Holes 70	Posted - 2011.12.25 14:44:00 - [40] - Quote Ezekiel DeSangre wrote: Xander Yavorsky wrote: rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. You do know he wasn't born in 11 AD right? Or even actually in December. Look it up, he was born in they think March. The church voted to celebrate it on the same day as Sol Invictus and Bruma in the 300 ADs. And don't be off topic! You're making me be off topic! Enough talking about religion, on this day, in 2011, a game name EVE is still played. The Church couldn't stop people from celebrating the pagan holiday(s) of Yule (Yultide) so they superimposed Jesus's birthday over it. The Church actually encouraged the appropriation of local festivals into church dogma to encourage people to convert. In the Church's beginning it was actually worthy of being called Catholic, i.e. "Universal", because it was willing to appropriate much. The reasoning behind this being that people accepting Christ as their savior was more important the cultural supremacy. That was the early days though. Later on after it had been geographically and politically established it was in the Church's best interests to assert cultural dominance. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus

1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 412	Posted - 2011.12.25 14:57:00 - [41] - Quote EVE Is The Future 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Jenshae Chiroptera 291	Posted - 2011.12.25 15:04:00 - [42] - Quote White Tree wrote: I think the game hasn't even peaked yet. There's still too much raw potential. One day I hope there'll be some sort of golden change that will magically unjumble the UI and the newbie experience and make the game much easier ~~to play.~~to learn I hate it when good games are dumbed down to the point that any half baked mentally deficient potato head can play them. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 116	Posted - 2011.12.25 15:05:00 - [43] - Quote EVE needs a slow steady growth rate that it has had every year from launch up and until Incarna. Something thats almost unheard of in the industry. EVE probably has one of the most loyal player bases of all MMOs due to the fact that is a deep and complex game with many layers and it takes time to get used to, learn and appreciate. But those who do, are stuck and can't leave since there is no alternative. The danger to EVEs survival is if they jump onto some FOTM idea and attracts too many players that wants easy and instant gratification. These players are not loyal and will jump ship as soon as the next FOTM game surface.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Black Legion. 6	Posted - 2011.12.25 15:32:00 - [44] - Quote I've played both games extensively, and I'm 100% positive that WoW will 'die' (in the sense that it loses a large percentage of its player base and fades from mainstream conscience, if it hasn't already) way before EvE does. The reasoning is simple - WoW is designed around recruitment. They alienate a huge number of their current subscribers with every expansion, with the goal being to recruitment even more MMO noobs. Eventually they'll run out of noobs or one of their major changes will backfire and they'll recruit fewer people than leave. There are signs already that both have been happening for some time now. EvE is completely opposite. The game is designed around retention. Very few people who try EvE actually stay, but there's far more multi-year vets (as a fraction of the total population) flying around in EvE in spaceships than flying around in WoW on their sparkle ponies (or whatever). The game never changes in such a way that a person's prior accomplishments are invalidated, unless the players chooses for them to be, which makes it a lot easier to 'come back', as it were. TLDR: EvE is designed to last. WoW is always one content patch away from disaster. Additionally, the criteria for 'failure' are different in a way that favors EvE.
Laken Starr Integrated Astromechanics Corp. Zeta Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2011.12.25 17:28:00 - [45] - Quote Lexmana wrote: The danger to EVEs survival is if they jump onto some FOTM idea and attracts too many players that wants easy and instant gratification. These players are not loyal and will jump ship as soon as the next FOTM game surface. This is probably the biggest threat to Eve's long term survival. If the developer's get greedy to the point where they focus on drawing in more of your standard WoW-type MMORPG player, it will result in gameplay changes that will cause current players to jump ship at a breakneck pace. What Eve needs to do is what they've been doing all this time: they themselves have said they've had slow but steady growth every single year since launch. The only other MMORPG that can boast that is WoW, and that may not be true for them this year for the first time.
foxnod BOAE INC GIANTSBANE. 2	Posted - 2011.12.25 17:44:00 - [46] - Quote Well UO is still around after 14 years. I think as long as the CCP doesn't give another incarna 2-3, EVE will be here another 10+ years.
mogwai Gremlin Industries 8	Posted - 2011.12.25 18:18:00 - [47] - Quote The un-tapped potential in EvE is massive... 1. WiS - 'are we there yet?' 2. Jovians - the mystery race that could/could not happen random idea time... 3. mining rare ore by hand, by leaving your ship 4. planet based industry via actually landing on the planet and leaving your ship (i wanna be a lumberjack!!!.... or not..) 5. linking DUST 514 fully with EvE 6. more random shizzle 7. etc 8. etc If players treat EvE like a hobby/game (like myself), it should keep going for a fair few years yet. BTW.... @ccp, i once heckled, but retract it all.... keep up the good work! Crucible has been the best yet
TheOhm Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.12.25 18:23:00 - [48] - Quote Well, I hate to break this to you all, but EVE has been dying since its release. also: this thread has an unacceptable lack of bittervets :D
mkint 493	Posted - 2011.12.25 18:52:00 - [49] - Quote Halcyon Ingenium wrote: Ezekiel DeSangre wrote: Xander Yavorsky wrote: rodyas wrote: Cheer up for on this day 2000 years ago a savior was born, we shouldnt be talking about death. You do know he wasn't born in 11 AD right? Or even actually in December. Look it up, he was born in they think March. The church voted to celebrate it on the same day as Sol Invictus and Bruma in the 300 ADs. And don't be off topic! You're making me be off topic! Enough talking about religion, on this day, in 2011, a game name EVE is still played. The Church couldn't stop people from celebrating the pagan holiday(s) of Yule (Yultide) so they superimposed Jesus's birthday over it. The Church actually encouraged the appropriation of local festivals into church dogma to encourage people to convert. In the Church's beginning it was actually worthy of being called Catholic, i.e. "Universal", because it was willing to appropriate much. The reasoning behind this being that people accepting Christ as their savior was more important the cultural supremacy. That was the early days though. Later on after it had been geographically and politically established it was in the Church's best interests to assert cultural dominance. What's even more giggle-worthy is that in Filipino Catholicism baby jesus has a different birthday than grownup jesus. I think it's in the spring/summer. Filipinos venerate baby jesus more than grown up jesus or mary because of appropriation. Pre-spanish filipinos (supposedly) worshiped a fair skinned baby god. Pre-christian europeans worshiped a goddess mother (explaining the veneration for mary.) Makes me wonder what the Catholic stand is on FSM converts.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 161	Posted - 2011.12.25 18:57:00 - [50] - Quote TheOhm wrote: Well, I hate to break this to you all, but EVE has been dying since its release. also: this thread has an unacceptable lack of bittervets :D And so is the truth of life.

Jagga Spikes Spikes Chop Shop 49	Posted - 2011.12.25 19:41:00 - [51] - Quote every thing dies. unless it changes. EVE will change, or it will die.
Benilopax The Ashen Lion Syndicate 59	Posted - 2011.12.25 19:51:00 - [52] - Quote EVE won't die, even of the server closes we will make a new one, make emulators, write stories. We won't let it die!
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 44	Posted - 2011.12.25 20:03:00 - [53] - Quote Jeveriah Zhuchowski wrote: There are still people out there playing Ultima Online, both on the official servers and on third party shards. Apparently, Everquest also still exists. I don't believe Eve will ever truly die... though if something else comes along that fills its unique niche (there aren't many sandbox MMOs quite so professionally produced as Eve), it could well fade, as have others before. Apparently? LOL , EQ1 is still going strong friend, I can attest to that, I enjoyed severely the start of the progression server, so much they even had to open a second one :D , still go there every once in a while. It's the only real gem SOE has, rest of their games are utter crap. EQ1 is so ez to maintain there's an awesome private server called EQ1999 that brings back the "original" flavor of classic MMO's. And if you want classic feeling in another sort of official way, try EQ1 for MAC Heck, there's even people playing Meridian 59 Still ... and even Vanguard is generating enough revenue with its low pop and lack of real devs on it. For a game, an mmo, to truly die, the IP is either too costly to maintain or the game is such a mess that no one can play it. For one , I would DONATE around 200$ or perhaps more if CCP ever went bankrupt to keep a small stable server with perhaps a peak of 3000k players max capacity on it to keep it going. I know a lot of people that would do that too and donate even more. I might have had my share of issues with CCP, but the game they have is simply another of those rare raw uncut gems that have the potential to be marvelous works of art. I don't care much about the top brass at CCP but the game they hold in their hands is simply beyond them. I just hope they keep veering in the same direction, one of making eve what eve truly is, and bringing it into the new gen of MMO gaming without losing touch with reality in the way they did with the Incarna Fiasco and Monoclegate and their "awesome" vision of DOOM. So if eve begins to die, I know I would keep supporting them until the end. I still support EQ1 despite all the crap SOE is, I sometimes support Vanguard too and I will definitely keep supporting EVE, unless they truly destroy it and I will end up supporting the "private" eve shard as I look upon the glories of the past and the folly of men. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 200	Posted - 2011.12.25 20:25:00 - [54] - Quote NickyYo wrote: The game has been alive same amount of time as WoW and that game is starting to die. My question is will EVE be here for another 10 years what do you think? Depends entirely on whether or not CCP can manage to return the "kick in the pants" feeling to Eve game-play. It has been eroded over the years with years long broken balance (ie. FoTY tendencies), increasing number of EHP-grinds, mechanics not designed to accommodate large numbers in general (ex. 2-3 HP boosts to alleviate gang increases at the expense of small-gang/solo play), etc. Let's just say that I do not envy CCP's current position, they have dug a mighty deep hole but forgot a ladder to get back up so they have to jury-rig something if they want to see the sun again
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 45	Posted - 2011.12.25 20:32:00 - [55] - Quote Lexmana wrote: EVE needs a slow steady growth rate that it has had every year from launch up and until Incarna. Something thats almost unheard of in the industry. EVE probably has one of the most loyal player bases of all MMOs due to the fact that is a deep and complex game with many layers and it takes time to get used to, learn and appreciate. But those who do, are stuck and can't leave since there is no alternative. The danger to EVEs survival is if they jump onto some FOTM idea and attracts too many players that wants easy and instant gratification. These players are not loyal and will jump ship as soon as the next FOTM game surface. This is what bothered me when I began to unravel the "awesome" plans CCP had for EVE. Case in point, the Unabomber. MMO's in general, have a marked tendency to behave in a certain form. In a sense, the profile basis of an MMO is WOW, no matter what we think about it. WoW Cloning is the bane of all MMO's yet is the basis from where they all spring up in a sense. EVE simply sprung up over a concept that totally destroyed the basis. You have no body, just a portrait, no instancing, just a big permanent universe, no levels , only skills, no grinding of xp, only the slow and steady accumulation of skill points REGARDLESS of what you did. The whole combat mechanic is not about button mashing combos that drain mana/endurance, but a bloglaggedfest of Alpha strikes. There's no gear acquisition , only land grabbing. There's no newbie friendly instance where you are told to kil lthe 10 generic critters of boredom but you just get birthed into a world that just tells you in short "there's a ship, this is how you move it, move there , here" and then slaps you in the back and says "Well friend, all of this is the game, do whatever you want with it, bye ! trololol!!!" And you end up looking at the big chunk of space in your newbie ship and say "WTF?". So in a sense, when any kind of "market expert" (which is still my theory on what happened) begins to whisper dark lies to the upper management on how to make eve this or that or whatnot, they will totally miss the mark like the "experts" in the Unabomber case were totally lost due to their profiling training. The game despite all of its flaws is filled with the only thing that makes eve what it is. THE PLAYERS themselves. And this is where CCP has been missing the mark during the past years and why Crucible made people less irate and actually begin enjoying the game again. Player driven content. It's not about the clothes, that spawn up from NOWHERE but a weird button, nor the empty UNCONNECTED CQ of psychotic solipsism, nor the cash shop plans for totally alienating "things" that will spawn out of a player driven economy INTO a player driven economy. Honestly, EVE is as much fun as staring at the wall if you look from it from afar. What makes it fun is US< the PEOPLE THAT PLAY IT, that harass, pew pew, stake claims, faction war, war dec grief, blow people up, sucide gank, scam, lie, steal, con, protect, defend , research , trade, backstab, merc up, mission run loop, smuggle, explore, get lost in W-space, scan spam, AFK cloak, lockdown system, go to war , patrol, gate camp, hot drop, cyno jump around, spam in jita for double sending money to you whatever you give him first, place market orders, corner the market, Cosmos farm, plex trade and all of the stuff that relate to a closed ecosystem that THRIVES on itself and DESPITE itself. CHOICE, it's so simple. CHOICE friends, it's the eve-given right of CHOICE. Choice that is denied to us in mainstream hand-holding MMO's of the new era. In a world where everyone is the SAME and the only way to distinguish yourself is by having the 40$ pets and shiny hat of particles that go fuzzing in trails as you walk, that's a model that works for such limited choices. But here in EVE? gimme a break! I can have 504353456034603406043603406 million SP's and still be lost as to what to do or fly. I know people here that have all of their skills invested in manufactuing and dont even have cruiser 3 and have 12342352352626 million sps in trade related skills. The player mentality of linearity of an "End-Game" and flying Capitals is "max level gear" it's so ... strange in a game like this, represented in the quite a few ebuyers I have seen roaming around in carriers asking in locals to team up with a "Caldari pilot of 12312412414512354235sps looking for a team". That's the CANCER EVE itself slowly fights back. I'm not saying EVE is perfect and I do realize we have a LOT OF ISSUES. Several of them, but broadly speaking (as I am) I hope you or anyone bothering to read this wall o' texty diatribe understand what I'm implying regarding the gross difference in EVE to any other kind of MMO's out there. Trying to turn this into a mainstream MMO is ANATHEMA to the core of the game. CHOICE is what defines us, like the slap in the back you get from AURA upon startup that slowly boils down to a "The Universe, the EVE universe is there , do what you will with it, or die trying". I honestly don't see how that can be applied to a multiple instance layer full of level 1 to 10 people crying for a group to help them vanquish GENERIC_EVIL_BOSS_0001 so they can get their level 10 purple sword of DESTRUCTIOn that will be crap once they hit level 12. See, what I mean? I wonder sometimes why the things that happened here had to happen ... Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Written Word Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 169	Posted - 2011.12.25 20:44:00 - [56] - Quote I started playing because I heard it had been dead for years and I'm like so totally into zombie fiction.
Cedar Locus Superfission Forsaken.Empire 23	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:33:00 - [57] - Quote yes it will die, slow and painfull


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