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Victoria Hakaari
Onnamon Capsuleer Tribunal
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Posted - 2016.12.08 18:01:31 -
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Ladies and gentlemen! Today I present you the new service available to capsuleers - the Capsuleer Tribunal. It is the commercial courtroom dedicated to solving issues between capsuleers and capsuleer organizations. Due to the lack of the enforcement methods the participation in the tribunal activities is voluntary. With this in mind, there are several rules of the tribunal operations:
1. The tribunal session requires presence of at least three judges, one accuser, one defendant and any number of witnesses and listeners. 2. Both sides (accuser and defendant) must agree to follow all instructions and decisions of the tribunal on entering the courtroom before the hearing will start. 3. Any decision of the tribunal requires an agreement of at least two judges. 4. Judges of the session cannot share a role of a witness, accuser or defendant, nor can be involved in the actions consisting the case on either side or as a third party. 5. The tribunal will act according to principles of fairness, and the compensations issued by the tribunal must not exceed the damage that was done. 6. The tribunal will have right to issue fines and must comply with local and CONCORD laws. 7. The tribunal cannot judge individuals and corporations for breaking laws and rules that are under CONCORD or local law enforcement jurisdictions, these cases must be petitioned to the corresponding organizations. 8. The tribunal must follow presumption of innocence. 9. Both the accuser and defendant must have a right to counsel and can appoint representatives. 10. The defendant can't be tried second time on same charges or same facts disregarding the previous tribunal resolution. 11. Each of participants of conflict will have a right to offer one of their own judges. 12. The defendant has right to field a counter-claim, but only if the facts they bring to support their counter-claim has happened prior to their actions that were stated in the claim brought by the accuser. Otherwise they should start a new case.
Capsuleers who are interested in starting the case (plaintiffs), should write NeoCom mail to one of the official OCT judges and provide the following information: 1) Against whom the claim is issued. It can be any capsuleer or capsuleer organization. A capsuleer organization must have a representative(s), whose names must be provided. 2) The plaintiff must clearly state all accusations against the defendant. 3) All the charges must be provided with: 3a) Date of the event (or the first evidence), a period of time can be provided as well, but the first date of that period is obligatory. 3b) Place of the event (either physical or media type). 3c) Very short description of the event. (For example, 25.11.YC118 - pirating in asteroid belts of Amarr solar system) 4) The plaintiff must provide their demands. (Please note that the Tribunal doesn't guarantee they all will be met even if the defendant will be found guilty. The Tribunal will have the right to lessen the demands if they will be found to be unfair.) 5) Name of the representative must be provided if the plaintiff will require their service. 6) Several names of judges that they find might be interested. The judges must not be already in the provided lists of neutral judges and must not be OCT employees. Please note, that only one of them will be chosen. If none of the names will be provided or none of the candidatures will reply, the tribunal will assign a neutral judge. 7) A list of witnesses or other persons whose presence will be required. 8) A list of witnesses or other persons whose presence will be desirable but can be omitted. 9) A signature and agreement to follow Tribunal rules and instructions. 10) A fee to start the case (it will be returned if the defendant will not agree to participate), must be sent to OCT corporation wallet.
Please note, that all cases will be listed in this forum, even if the defendant disagrees to participate.
Official OCT Judges: Victoria Hakaari
Neutral registered judges: none yet
The tribunal is currently looking for judges. Please send your applications to me, Victoria Hakaari.
Please note, that the tribunal is a commercial organization. A fee to start the case currently is: 200 000 (two hundred thousand) ISK. Judge wages are: 50 000 (fifty thousand) ISK for each case.
Prices may change depending on demand.
The court room has a holo-interface available, and is accessible through your NeoCom by a channel name "Onnamon Capsuleer Tribunal" |
Victoria Hakaari
Onnamon Capsuleer Tribunal
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Posted - 2016.12.08 18:01:58 -
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
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Posted - 2016.12.08 18:46:25 -
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Nice scam. |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2210
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Posted - 2016.12.08 18:48:11 -
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I foresee many, many people using this service instead of shooting at the offending party...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
884
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Posted - 2016.12.08 19:15:43 -
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So, a court with absolutely no authority that charges the plaintiff to have the accused laugh at them and walk away with no enforceable penalty leveled against them? Yup, sounds like something to take seriously...
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Elanion
67
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Posted - 2016.12.08 19:23:47 -
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A sort of branded non-binding arbitration. Interesting.
Generally, this sort of representation depends heavily upon reputation, as in, it should be both positive and relatively well-spread.
As an alternative, I've known a few baseliners earning a luxurious living as consulting mediators. You could seek capsuleers with similar experience for your endeavor, perhaps to cultivate that mien of authority.
RIP YC111-115 GÇó "The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
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Posted - 2016.12.08 19:57:25 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:So, a court with absolutely no authority that charges the plaintiff to have the accused laugh at them and walk away with no enforceable penalty leveled against them? Yup, sounds like something to take seriously... My own doubts mirror your statement.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Jev North
Hyperpredator Rest Home
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Posted - 2016.12.08 19:58:40 -
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Intense deja-vu. Wait, no, actual flashback.
It didn't end well that time.
There ain't no party like a Turing machine party 'cause a Turing machine party may or may not stop.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
975
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Posted - 2016.12.08 20:20:12 -
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Courts without teeth are not courts. The whole "voluntary participation" thing will be all well and good for any participants (if any) until they themselves are found guilty, and then suddenly they will revoke that participation. Every single time.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1820
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Posted - 2016.12.08 20:55:05 -
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Well, there's something you don't see every day.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1652
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Posted - 2016.12.08 20:59:43 -
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Oh great, this could be helpful... I'd like to bring Tyrel Toov up on the charge of eating the half of a ham sandwich from the fridge in our corporate lounge I left the other day. It was clearly labeled as mine and you knew I was saving it for after that fleet. YOU KNOW YOU TOOK IT, DON'T GIVE ME EXCUSES! I want my sandwich back.... |
Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.12.08 21:18:55 -
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It will be interesting if anyone finds justice from this. |
Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2016.12.08 21:23:01 -
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I find myself supportive of any idea or organization who supports lawful interactions between parties. The creation of this Tribunal is a brave step forward, but requires a little more work and thought to become of use to the interstellar community. Please do understand that the vast majority of capsuleers, even those who call themselves Loyalists will mock and laugh at the concept of law. You will find no such attitude among my employees and true loyalists of the State.
Ishukone-Raata is available for consultation should the OCT feel it necessary.
I-RED Executor || Operation Grey Steel© Overseer || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©
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Sinjin Mokk
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1027
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Posted - 2016.12.08 21:38:34 -
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Ok...
I'd like to press charges of murder and piracy in HiSec space against Elder Mentor Matshi Raish of the Geminate Chapter of the Society of Conscious Thought and Apollo and Artemis Tyrannos of the Vigilant Tyrannos Corporation for their parts in the assassination of Empress Jamyl Sarum I of the Emperor Family Corporation, Amarr Empire.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
6885
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Posted - 2016.12.08 22:02:32 -
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Alex Hinkelmann wrote:I find myself supportive of any idea or organization who supports lawful interactions between parties. The creation of this Tribunal is a brave step forward, but requires a little more work and thought to become of use to the interstellar community. Please do understand that the vast majority of capsuleers, even those who call themselves Loyalists will mock and laugh at the concept of law. You will find no such attitude among my employees and true loyalists of the State.
Ishukone-Raata is available for consultation should the OCT feel it necessary.
If you want arbitration on an issue, then you have to find a neutral third party. If this can become a trusted thing, then it might well become a reliable source of third-party arbitrators.
Just... Don't try to become the capsuleer police. That would lead to lasers and missiles and all sorts of nastiness.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
885
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Posted - 2016.12.08 22:18:48 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Oh great, this could be helpful... I'd like to bring Tyrel Toov up on the charge of eating the half of a ham sandwich from the fridge in our corporate lounge I left the other day. It was clearly labeled as mine and you knew I was saving it for after that fleet. YOU KNOW YOU TOOK IT, DON'T GIVE ME EXCUSES! I want my sandwich back.... I plead "Not Guilty by reason of hunger induced insanity". Also, you drank my beer first....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1652
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Posted - 2016.12.08 22:25:46 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Oh great, this could be helpful... I'd like to bring Tyrel Toov up on the charge of eating the half of a ham sandwich from the fridge in our corporate lounge I left the other day. It was clearly labeled as mine and you knew I was saving it for after that fleet. YOU KNOW YOU TOOK IT, DON'T GIVE ME EXCUSES! I want my sandwich back.... I plead "Not Guilty by reason of hunger induced insanity". Also, you drank my beer first.... I most certainly did NOT! I have my own in my quarters, better than whatever your drinking. Also that's a poor excuse to eat my sandwich! |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
885
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Posted - 2016.12.08 22:29:31 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Oh great, this could be helpful... I'd like to bring Tyrel Toov up on the charge of eating the half of a ham sandwich from the fridge in our corporate lounge I left the other day. It was clearly labeled as mine and you knew I was saving it for after that fleet. YOU KNOW YOU TOOK IT, DON'T GIVE ME EXCUSES! I want my sandwich back.... I plead "Not Guilty by reason of hunger induced insanity". Also, you drank my beer first.... I most certainly did NOT! I have my own in my quarters, better than whatever your drinking. Also that's a poor excuse to eat my sandwich! It's not my fault you left a delicious sandwich in the fridge, it was begging to be eaten. You could tell by the way it was dressed...
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1652
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Posted - 2016.12.08 22:33:16 -
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Well maybe you should have stopped at the point of increasing it with your eyes... My sandwich. |
John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation 404 Alliance Not Found
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Posted - 2016.12.09 00:50:30 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Alex Hinkelmann wrote:I find myself supportive of any idea or organization who supports lawful interactions between parties. The creation of this Tribunal is a brave step forward, but requires a little more work and thought to become of use to the interstellar community. Please do understand that the vast majority of capsuleers, even those who call themselves Loyalists will mock and laugh at the concept of law. You will find no such attitude among my employees and true loyalists of the State.
Ishukone-Raata is available for consultation should the OCT feel it necessary. If you want arbitration on an issue, then you have to find a neutral third party. If this can become a trusted thing, then it might well become a reliable source of third-party arbitrators. Just... Don't try to become the capsuleer police. That would lead to lasers and missiles and all sorts of nastiness.
Agreed. Once I see more reputable persons involved in this, maybe then I can take it seriously.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
641
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Posted - 2016.12.09 02:02:04 -
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This is why I have legal representation.
As strength goes.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2585
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Posted - 2016.12.09 05:59:36 -
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You mean Space Court? Scooter McCabe's been running it for about 8 years now. |
Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
1460
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Posted - 2016.12.09 06:33:16 -
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Arrendis wrote:You mean Space Court? Scooter McCabe's been running it for about 8 years now. Oh Little Bees, Little Bees.
Anyways, as has already been pointed out, the legitimacy of this arbitration rests upon the reputaton of its staff and leadership.
You're a bit of an unknown, OP, and it is uncertain which way the wind will blow with you regarding your judgements. It is said that the best resolutions are those where neither side walks away happy, but both get something.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1821
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:27:45 -
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Ah, the court of law, applied to capsuleers, to whom a lot of the time, only the laws of physics apply, not the laws of Man or God.
Oh, and you're looking for candidates to be a Judge ? Interesting.
Dream Sequence Lady Chief Justice Valate : I find the plaintiff and the defendant both guilty of the crime of wasting this courts time. Bailiffs, take them away.
Maybe not then.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
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Posted - 2016.12.09 15:04:40 -
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Well I'd like to be a judge!
What are the requirements?
GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
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Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.12.10 08:55:46 -
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John Revenent wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Alex Hinkelmann wrote:I find myself supportive of any idea or organization who supports lawful interactions between parties. The creation of this Tribunal is a brave step forward, but requires a little more work and thought to become of use to the interstellar community. Please do understand that the vast majority of capsuleers, even those who call themselves Loyalists will mock and laugh at the concept of law. You will find no such attitude among my employees and true loyalists of the State.
Ishukone-Raata is available for consultation should the OCT feel it necessary. If you want arbitration on an issue, then you have to find a neutral third party. If this can become a trusted thing, then it might well become a reliable source of third-party arbitrators. Just... Don't try to become the capsuleer police. That would lead to lasers and missiles and all sorts of nastiness. Agreed. Once I see more reputable persons involved in this, maybe then I can take it seriously.
Umm....yeah. Ditto. Best of luck though, but you have a long road ahead of you unless you get some very reputable people involved.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Andreus Ixiris
SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore
6037
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Posted - 2016.12.10 09:06:49 -
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Once this tribunal has power to enforce actual punishments, maybe then I'll start taking it seriously.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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