Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
301
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 16:47:54 -
[1] - Quote
Just an idea, which I am sure has been kicked around a lot, but I thought I would bring it up again with all the changes to New Eden.
How would EVE and the players react to having ORE introduce three mini freighters that had specialized cargo bays and low low mass (think access to wormhole space but not frigate wormholes).
I am thinking something along the lines of 150k to 250k m3 specialized bays for ore, PI, and minerals.
They would need to be between the 500 million and billion ISK point. With gank ability based on cost of the ship. I would lean toward lower cost and easier to gank, but maybe added bonuses to getting remote support from fleet mates.
Players could go about moving lots of stuff solo and risk losing it all, or go in a fleet and have higher chances of survival. This would encourages team play and allow people to do more things in EVE.
TheGream
p.s. thank of the kill-mails.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
Kiddoomer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
128
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 17:05:19 -
[2] - Quote
Meh, not new ships in this category are needed.
But there is ONE thing that I'd like : change the model of the Miasmos to be a ORE ship, because the fact that there is not one in the first place confuses me a lot. I mean, this corporation has all the mining ships in the game, wiht supports ships, but a ship dedicated to transport ore ? Nope, not today.
In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen :
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
|
Lugh Crow-Slave
3380
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 17:53:08 -
[3] - Quote
Kiddoomer wrote:Meh, not new ships in this category are needed.
But there is ONE thing that I'd like : change the model of the Miasmos to be a ORE ship, because the fact that there is not one in the first place confuses me a lot. I mean, this corporation has all the mining ships in the game, wiht supports ships, but a ship dedicated to transport ore ? Nope, not today.
you mean like the rorq?
BLOPS Hauler
|
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
301
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 17:56:31 -
[4] - Quote
New ships are going to happen. I really don't want new ships that require new skills. But I wouldn't mind seeing more ships fill in more specialized categories.
And yes, the three Gallente industrials should be transferred to ORE but people need a good 2-3 month heads up so they can train for it.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2854
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 18:18:54 -
[5] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:New ships are going to happen.
Probably not these ones, though.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
|
Lugh Crow-Slave
3380
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 18:27:33 -
[6] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:New ships are going to happen. Probably not these ones, though.
it's almost like there needs to be a need first
BLOPS Hauler
|
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
520
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 19:29:23 -
[7] - Quote
**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**
--Gadget... has a cold
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
|
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
608
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 19:33:04 -
[8] - Quote
I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked. |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
301
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 21:44:56 -
[9] - Quote
Do Little wrote:I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked.
But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics.
Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
301
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 21:48:09 -
[10] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**
--Gadget... has a cold
I concur!!!!! that's agreeing right? And I hope you get over your cold soon(tm)
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
|
Iain Cariaba
3357
|
Posted - 2016.12.09 23:36:33 -
[11] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**
--Gadget... has a cold I concur!!!!! that's agreeing right? And I hope you get over your cold soon(tm) I hope that's not a CCP variety "SoonGäó." It's not really nice to wish for someone to get over a cold several years down the road.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
|
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
304
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 03:37:53 -
[12] - Quote
New ships are always needed.
I am thinking a mini ORE Freighter that can compress ore but not as well as the Rorq. The Ore Freighter compressing ore would at the best skill level only compress up to 40% the total compression volume of the Rorq however. The Ore Freighter, however could be used in High and Low Sec space and would have the following abilities:
1.Could warp while cloaked. 2.Immune to warp bubbles while cloaked but not while uncloaked.
The drawback would be the Mini ORE Freighters would have warp cloaking fatigue that unless enough fuel is maintained above a certain percentage threshold in the warp cloak bay the ship is no longer able to warp while cloaked and is not immune to warp bubbles.
"Well John I didn't expect to see you back this soon..."
"It's the Misses and the double headed Jovian symbiot that we adopted....they just won't stop crying. So I thought I would come to New Eden for a much needed...vacation." |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 04:07:46 -
[13] - Quote
DrysonBennington wrote:New ships are always needed.
I am thinking a mini ORE Freighter that can compress ore but not as well as the Rorq. The Ore Freighter compressing ore would at the best skill level only compress up to 40% the total compression volume of the Rorq however. The Ore Freighter, however could be used in High and Low Sec space and would have the following abilities:
1.Could warp while cloaked. 2.Immune to warp bubbles while cloaked but not while uncloaked.
The drawback would be the Mini ORE Freighters would have warp cloaking fatigue that unless enough fuel is maintained above a certain percentage threshold in the warp cloak bay the ship is no longer able to warp while cloaked and is not immune to warp bubbles.
"Well John I didn't expect to see you back this soon..."
"It's the Misses and the double headed Jovian symbiot that we adopted....they just won't stop crying. So I thought I would come to New Eden for a much needed...vacation."
Now you are just getting to fancy... I just want something to use to get more stuff out of a WH and through Hi-sec then a small army of players. or spending like 20 hrs a week to solo it out.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 04:10:13 -
[14] - Quote
Iain Cariaba wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:**cough, cough** Fuel transports **cough, cough**
--Gadget... has a cold I concur!!!!! that's agreeing right? And I hope you get over your cold soon(tm) I hope that's not a CCP variety "SoonGäó." It's not really nice to wish for someone to get over a cold several years down the road.
Sadly Iain, I must say that was the joke I was aiming for, but not in a mean way. It would not please me one bit if Gadget was sick for several years, nor if the bug(s) she has are like the week after patch day.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
Lugh Crow-Slave
3383
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 06:01:32 -
[15] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:Do Little wrote:I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked. But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics. Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.
did you ever think it was not supposed to be easy to move a lot through WHs?
BLOPS Hauler
|
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
273
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 11:00:14 -
[16] - Quote
wormholes............
Not ORE's purview.........
Maybe SOE, to flesh out the line of their SOE Fleet.....like i mean, astero/stratios/nestor....why not hauler specialized support ships, would make sense to me.
|
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
537
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 14:41:37 -
[17] - Quote
Max Deveron wrote:wormholes............
Not ORE's purview.........
Porpoise.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
|
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5028
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 15:28:33 -
[18] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:Do Little wrote:I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked. But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics. Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies.
...Why do you think you should be able to move 150km3 through a c1?
Or should I ask, why do you feel it needs to be easier to get caps in C1s, since that is, iirc, more than enough compressed ore to build one?
How do DSTs work in c1s, and why is 80km3 not enough for your needs? |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 15:49:52 -
[19] - Quote
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:Do Little wrote:I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked. But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics. Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies. did you ever think it was not supposed to be easy to move a lot through WHs?
I thought about it!, but I also know that New Eden is always changing. Which is why in my OP I suggested making these ships cheap, and weak with bonuses for being in a fleet not solo. Risk vs Reward. WH have the reward of being able to export a lot of goods easily but at a much higher risk.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 15:56:16 -
[20] - Quote
Danika Princip wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:Do Little wrote:I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked. But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics. Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies. ...Why do you think you should be able to move 150km3 through a c1? Or should I ask, why do you feel it needs to be easier to get caps in C1s, since that is, iirc, more than enough compressed ore to build one? How do DSTs work in c1s, and why is 80km3 not enough for your needs?
What DST does 80k m3?
I just thinking making it easier for people to get mined goods out of WHs would be healthier for the game then current meta. But that is my opinion. We will just have to see where CCP takes us.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
|
Iain Cariaba
3359
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 16:05:37 -
[21] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:Do Little wrote:I would also like to see the Miasmos, Kyros, Epithal and Hoarder transferred to Ore and let Alphas train Ore Industrial level 1. If you want an Ore mini freighter take a look at the Orca. It can do practically everything you asked. But it isn't low enough mass for most WH connections, so yes the Orca does most of what I asked and I know that, but the big thing I am looking for is something that can carry a lot through all C1-C6 WH statics. Edit: maybe what could happen is that ore takes over development of those ships and makes improvements to them, so we get something with low mass, no new ships, and more cargo room for our goodies. ...Why do you think you should be able to move 150km3 through a c1? Or should I ask, why do you feel it needs to be easier to get caps in C1s, since that is, iirc, more than enough compressed ore to build one? How do DSTs work in c1s, and why is 80km3 not enough for your needs? What DST does 80k m3 of ore? I just thinking making it easier for people to get mined goods out of WHs would be healthier for the game then current meta. Two trips in a DST is 125k m3. Why is it unhealthy for the game for you to need to make two trips instead of one to bring in almost as much ore as your suggested ship?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
|
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5028
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 16:08:10 -
[22] - Quote
An occator with a full rack of expanded cargos and two t1 cargo rigs tops 80k. 85 if you t2 the rigs.
Why do you think it needs to be easier to get things out of a place that, by design, has difficult logistics? |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 17:03:03 -
[23] - Quote
Danika Princip wrote:An occator with a full rack of expanded cargos and two t1 cargo rigs tops 80k. 85 if you t2 the rigs.
Why do you think it needs to be easier to get things out of a place that, by design, has difficult logistics?
Good to know about the fittings.
And to answer the 2nd part. Evolution.
And if it was missed, I would want these things to be sucker gankable if they don't have a fleet with them. I won't go killing them, but I am willing to take the risk of moving more ore, PI and mineral easier.
And I think if they had bonuses for receiving remote reps, it would be a very neat and cool feature.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
Cade Windstalker
628
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 18:37:13 -
[24] - Quote
What you're describing here is basically a freighter but massively buffed. The in-between is pretty much the Orca. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2789
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 18:55:26 -
[25] - Quote
My DST can fit 20 GSC's (78,000 m3), plus 2500 m3 more in hangar, plus 3300 m3 cargo, and still have full tank, prop mods, and etc.
That totals 83,800 m3. Plenty of space.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
|
Kenrailae
mind games. Suddenly Spaceships.
674
|
Posted - 2016.12.10 19:38:28 -
[26] - Quote
The only 'need' that 'might' need filled for haulers 'might' be that awkward spot between the DST and JF, where, incidentally, packaged fortizars fall.
Whether that needs a new hauler that can fit 80k space in one hold for that fort, or just a 'use a freighter,'.... I'm not really going to comment on that one way or another.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
|
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn End of Life
339
|
Posted - 2016.12.17 03:20:50 -
[27] - Quote
Amarisen Gream wrote:Just an idea, which I am sure has been kicked around a lot, but I thought I would bring it up again with all the changes to New Eden.
How would EVE and the players react to having ORE introduce three mini freighters that had specialized cargo bays and low low mass (think access to wormhole space but not frigate wormholes).
I am thinking something along the lines of 150k to 250k m3 specialized bays for ore, PI, and minerals.
They would need to be between the 500 million and billion ISK point. With gank ability based on cost of the ship. I would lean toward lower cost and easier to gank, but maybe added bonuses to getting remote support from fleet mates.
Players could go about moving lots of stuff solo and risk losing it all, or go in a fleet and have higher chances of survival. This would encourages team play and allow people to do more things in EVE.
TheGream
p.s. thank of the kill-mails.
there is a hauler already suited for this called the Miasmos
though for alpha clones ccp need to add other race variants
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
|
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2995
|
Posted - 2016.12.21 00:39:42 -
[28] - Quote
Why specialize their bays? We need racial mini-freighters, and NO the ORCA is NOT a mini-freighter. An ORCA is the same size and cost as a full size freighter and simply lacks the hauling capacity.
But let me be clear: the mini-freighter should be considerably larger and more massive than a battleship. If you're trying to haul stuff at battleship and battlecruiser size, use a deep space transport.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
|
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
364
|
Posted - 2016.12.21 11:22:03 -
[29] - Quote
Gallente have a whole range of beautiful specialized haulers already. If you're looking for something bigger get a DST. There is no need to anything like that. ORE would also be the wrong faction for it, they only do in mining gear and mining support and the misplaced Bowhead, which should've been a racial ship or Interbus ship but CCP didn't want to put more resources in designing it and put some half effort in. imho It should've gone to Interbus, after they started to ship goods for the SCC across the cluster.
Baddest poster ever
|
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
306
|
Posted - 2016.12.21 21:21:00 -
[30] - Quote
I dropped this thread like a week ago, surprised it is still up and going.
We will have to see what CCP comes up with. For now I am on holiday and I am looking forward to the new year.
Merry Christmas EVE forums.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |